Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Come On Bra ...

KonWomyn said...
Hi I'm not trying to disrepsect the dead by what I said bec it's generating talk. And I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Denmark either coz this ain't even my cyberspace to be having back n forths with people. As incomprehensible as I may have sounded: what I was trying to say was that MJ was not even in a place where you could say he looked white, he was so pale & that he was without race (please understand this in the framework of Black identity & questions of whiteness) I think he was so caught up in this twisted cycle that he believed his own manufactured look was genetic, hence the white children. The nose & lips are cosmetic extras in the quest of perfect beauty and eternal youth. I'm not dismissing arguments abt confused racial identity; but his greatness & his eccentricity fed this cosmetic alteration in ways so complex it produced someone who wanted *dare I say* to be without race - there's another side of looking at it and saying these are the manifestations of internal identity conflict - but as DMG said these are all our speculations and we can never really know as MJ has passed forward to the next life.
The Most High Rest MJ's Soul.

Denmark Vesey said ...
Hello KonWomyn, welcome to the spot. I hope we don't scare you away.

There are some smart and pretty hip characters up in here just waiting for somebody to slip up and say something a bit off center.

But don't take it the wrong way. It's all love. Now, with that said. I agree with you.


You ever seen a white person look like Michael Jackson? Michael was MICHAEL . Brother was so bad, he damn near created his own race.

All that Plantation Negro psychobabble about "now wanting to be black" or not wanting to be "African" is malarchy.


All that "Demons" and "Tormented" and "Troubled" talk is ...


"Not wanting to be black" makes as much sense as not wanting to be tall.

Black isn't a complexion.

Black is being able to touch the world.

When Michael was white as a cotton ball he was blacker than 99% of the Negros in America.

The Blackest Woman On The Planet

SHE said...
The water that goes
Straight down our drains
Is running though us
Like red rivulet veins.

What you swallow
You later become.
Feed ocean poison
Blue Dolphins the same—

There’s no separation
Between The Mother Earth
And I.
Her womb is our
Mountain and sky.

Outside my window
Traffic, cars and people
Polluting the nectar
Flowing from Her nipple.

Birth control in me
Flushes out to sea.
Her fish are sterile
Can’t grow their seeds.
Unable to produce
No children to lead-

The water that goes,
Straight down our drains
Is running though us
Like red rivulet veins.

Our Mother Ocean
Is roaring in pain.

Man made chemicals
In what we eat.
Feeding fish estrogen
Comes back to me.
It’s all a cycle
It’s time to be wiser.

Mother Nature suffering
From corporation greed.
Our Luxury and Jewelry
Leaves her out to bleed.

Time to travel
Back to Her again
And find out
What it is She needs.

The Global System of Black Supremacy

Where's Byrdeye when you need him? You just wouldn't have to teach a black kid this.

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Monday, June 29, 2009

Later For Keats, Shakespeare and Joyce. Langston Hughes Was A Lame. Hip Hop Is The Only Art That Matters

Mahndisa said ...
I agree with The Doc Misses MJ. For God's sakes, DV you are acting like Jesse B. Semple right now with that Langston Hughes comment!
"Simple on Indian Blood"

Actor Ossie Davis reads "Simple on Indian Blood," one of the "Simple" stories of Langston Hughes. Famous today for his poetry, Hughes also wrote protest columns. Jesse B. Semple, Hughes's quintessential Harlem resident, first appeared in the Chicago Defender newspaper. Semple's character became popular nationwide and over his lifetime Hughes produced five books and a Broadway play based on the "Simple Stories." Often set as dialogues, the humorous stories feature an overly reasonable, conciliatory narrator who comes into conflict with the outspoken and intransigent Jesse B. Semple.

Democracy will not come
Today, this year
Nor ever
Through compromise and fear.

I have as much right
As the other fellow has
To stand
On my two feet
And own the land.

I tire so of hearing people say,
Let things take their course.
Tomorrow is another day.
I do not need my freedom when I'm dead.
I cannot live on tomorrow's bread.

Is a strong seed
In a great need.

I live here, too.
I want freedom
Just as you.

Langston Hughes

This is anti autotune, death of the ringtone,
this ain’t for itunes, this ain’t for sing alongs,
this is Sinatra at the opera, bring a blonde,
preferably with a fat ass who can sing a song, wrong,

this aint politcally correct,
this might offend my political connects,
my raps don’t have melodies,
this should make jackers
wanna go and commit felonies, ahh
get your chain tooken, I may do it myself - I’m so Brooklyn.

I know we facing a recession,
but the music y’all making going make it the great depression.
All y’all lack aggression put your skirt back down, grow a set man.
Yeah this just violent,
this is the death of autotune,
moment of silence.
S. Carter

The Hegelian Comedy Continues • June Is Now "Homosexual History Month"

"I know that many in this room don't believe that progress has come fast enough, and I understand that," Obama said. "It's not for me to tell you to be patient any more than it was for others to counsel patience to African-Americans who were petitioning for equal rights a half-century ago."

Michael Jackson Accuser Jordy Chandler Says Father Made Him Lie About Michael For The Money

"I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”.

Evan Chandler, Jordry's step father was tape-recorded in 1993 saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever"

Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.

"Now for the first time i can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”

Don't Be A Plantation Negro - Deconstruct The "Global Warming" Hype

Uh Oh. I Hope Mike's Family Doesn't Act Up Like MLK's Kids.

Madoff gets 150 years in prison

Defense attorneys had sought 12 years, while prosecutors wanted the maximum. The federal probation department had recommended 50 years.
"Life has been a living hell," said Carla Hirshhorn. "It feels like the nightmare we can't wake from."

"I have no one to help me. That he's in jail doesn't change that," Miriam Siegman, who said she lost her $46 million life savings to Madoff and now relies on food stamps, told Reuters news service. "I still have the rest of my life to live, or try to live, in incredible stress and in total poverty. He took everything."

"Global Warming" Is A Hoax • Didn't DV Call This?

During an appearance on MSNBC, political commentator Pat Buchanan correctly defined the “Climate Bill” for what it really is, not just a new tax on the American people, but a complete transfer of power and wealth to a global government that is using the manufactured fear of global warming to grease the skids for total domination.

Referring to the passage of the climate bill and global warming in general, Buchanan said that the legislation was passed through the use of fear and that, “More and more scientists are coming forward to say this is a hoax and a scam which is designed to transfer wealth and power from the private sector to the government sector and from the government of the United States to a world government. Which is what we’re going to get in Copenhagen when we get this Kyoto two agreement.”

Buchanan labeled the legislation a “tax bill” that would raise the prices of utilities for every American, hammer the middle class and working class, “for a danger that we don’t even know is really there”.

Sunday, June 28, 2009

Has The Holocaust Become A Religion?

The Holocaust refers to the alleged killings of 6 million Jews by the Nazis as part of their plan to exterminate all Jews. The Nazis allegedly also killed millions of Poles, Gypsies, feeble-minded individuals, homosexuals, etc., though non-Jewish victims are not included as part of the Holocaust. The total tally of Nazi killings, a lot of it supposedly by gassings, is reported to be in the neighborhood of 11 million.

This belief is increasingly mandated by law in Western nations, with penalties including incarceration for publicly opposing this belief. Opponents of this belief are designated by the Western mainstream as 'Holocaust deniers' and their beliefs referred to as 'Holocaust Denial.' Where mandated by law, these designations are legal classifications and extend to include even Holocaust trivializing. Even where not mandated by law these designations carry with them the stigma of evil, thereby constituting a de facto religious connotation, which has led some, including some who believe that nearly 6 million Jews were deliberately slaughtered by Nazis, to see the Western mainstream as embodying a new secular theocracy best described as Holocaustianity.


Derived from Holocaust plus Christianity. It is a religion with the following core beliefs:

1) The Nazis planned on exterminating all Jews.
2) The Nazis killed 6 million Jews.
3) The Nazis used Zyklon B and Diesel exhaust to gas millions of Jews to death.

All people are required to harbor the core beliefs of Holocaustianity. Questioning/doubting the tenets is sacrilegious. Apostates are to be assaulted, harassed, bankrupted, imprisoned and devastated in the worst possible manner as a warning to others.

Among secondary beliefs of Holocaustianity are that:

1) Comparison of the Holocaust with other historic mass deaths is a sin called “Holocaust relativism”.
2) Any attempt to set up barriers to immigration is immoral because it will lead to another Holocaust.

Manufactured Homosexuality?

Some of the first eerie signs of a potential health catastrophe came as bizarre deformities in water animals, often in their sexual organs.

Frogs, salamanders and other amphibians began to sprout extra legs. In heavily polluted Lake Apopka, one of the largest lakes in Florida, male alligators developed stunted genitals.

In the Potomac watershed near Washington, male smallmouth bass have rapidly transformed into “intersex fish” that display female characteristics. This was discovered only in 2003, but the latest survey found that more than 80 percent of the male smallmouth bass in the Potomac are producing eggs.

Now scientists are connecting the dots with evidence of increasing abnormalities among humans, particularly large increases in numbers of genital deformities among newborn boys. For example, up to 7 percent of boys are now born with undescended testicles, although this often self-corrects over time. And up to 1 percent of boys in the United States are now born with hypospadias, in which the urethra exits the penis improperly, such as at the base rather than the tip.

Apprehension is growing among many scientists that the cause of all this may be a class of chemicals called endocrine disruptors. They are very widely used in agriculture, industry and consumer products. Some also enter the water supply when estrogens in human urine — compounded when a woman is on the pill — pass through sewage systems and then through water treatment plants.

These endocrine disruptors have complex effects on the human body, particularly during fetal development of males.

Friday, June 26, 2009


KP said ...
I cosign "the leeches"

My mom is from Gary, Indiana. She and my aunt & uncle used to pay a few dollars to watch Mike and his siblings perform in a basement (sitting on hard folding chairs, some pulled up some floor)along with countless other ppl in the community from time to time.

He's The G.O.A.T.

Regardless of any opinion or speculation about him, the most high spent a lil more time with this man's soul. So much so even the harshest critic can't deny the joy he brought to them and the world.

I was good yesterday but its really sinking in now.

REST brother MJ, REST.

Plantation Pharmaceuticals Kill 100,000 Americans A Year. Michael Jackson Was One Of Them

The full shocking details of how Michael Jackson was killed by a heavy dose of morphine were revealed last night. Michael Jackson collapsed after Dr Conrad Robert Murray injected him with a lethal shot of the painkiller Demerol.

Dr Murray is being questioned by police tonight. He had raised suspicions after detectives were unable to trace him for several hours following Jacko’s death from a massive heart attack.

A source close to the Jackson family said that soon after the jab at 11.30am on Thursday, the superstar’s breathing “got slower and slower till it stopped”.

A family member claimed the Texan cardiologist – dubbed a Dr Feelgood – gave the star a lethal shot of Demerol on Thursday, shortly before he collapsed from a massive heart attack at his home.

And a harrowing phone call to the emergency services was made public by paramedics during which the doctor tried desperately to resuscitate the stricken star. Sources said 50-year-old dad-of-three Jacko had no pulse when ambulance staff arrived on the scene.

At Dr Murray’s insistence, the crew spent 42 minutes trying to revive the singer. They then took him to the UCLA Medical Centre, where doctors frantically continued to revive him in vain. But sources claimed Dr Murray refused to let them call the coroner.

Last night a disturbing picture of the pop legend’s troubled final days began to emerge as friends and colleagues spoke of their fears over his reliance on painkillers. Jackson’s lawyer yesterday blamed the star’s death on prescription drugs. Brian Oxman said: “I will not be silent. This was something which I feared and something which I warned about.

“If you think the case of Anna Nicole Smith was abuse then that is nothing in comparison to what we have been seeing in Michael’s life. I have been very very critical of the use of medications.”

It was claimed Jacko’s dad Joe recently tried to send his son to rehab for what he suspected was an “addiction to prescription drugs”.

DV.TV Senior Sports Analyst: Liquid Wet

LiquidWet said ...
The Cavs do need a wing player. You can call it a 2 or 3. It doesn't matter. LJ is going to be the 2 or 3 or at times point.

They need a pure shooter. Williams and West are too small to play together and aren't consistent 3 point shooters. The point, 2 and 3 needs to be Williams, a pure shooter with size and LJ.

They also need a 4 to play with Shaq but with LJ demanding a double and Shaq sometimes demanding a double, a pure 3 point shooter SHOULD average 20 poinst a game. With LJ's 30 a game and Shaq's 17, that's 67 a game.

That team is hard to beat given Williams is good for 10 and a 4 should be good for 10. 87 a game for the starters and throw in 15 from the bench (over 100 per) along with some D = a better Cavs team.

Not Having A Woman Is 80% of Being A Homosexual. Porn Is 50% Of Not Having A Woman.

If the average Plantation Negro consumer of porn, were to walk into a doctor’s office and receive a virility exam, the results would be devastating.

Due to the toxicity of the Plantation Diet, pharmaceutical drugs and the prevalence of untested chemicals in the social environment, African American men have entered into rapid physiological and genetic decline.

In the industrialized Plantation System, the birth of males has dropped every year for the past 30 years. Genital defects, learning disabilities, autism, ADD and a variety of other afflictions have all skyrocketed in males while remaining comparatively low in females.

Perhaps the most telling indicator of the male plight comes down to that which is essentially synonymous with the pornographic: Sperm count.

In the last 15 years the production of Hard Core porn exploded 700%. Since porn shot up, sperm count shot down. The average Plantation Negro has a sperm count 50 percent lower than his father’s and, of the little sperm he does have, 85 percent of it is genetically damaged.

Dr. Fernando Marina, fertility expert at Barcelona’s CEFER Reproduction Institute, says that if this trend continues, all men will be infertile within 60 years.

The homosexualization and porning of men is a soft kill eugenics weapon. Get A Chick.

Thursday, June 25, 2009

DV.TV Senior Sports Analyst: Big Man

Big Man said...
I've been arguing about this all day.

I think this was a great move by Ferry for the following reasons.

1. He sacrificed no important players to get Shaq.

2. He did not sacrifice his cap space to get Shaq.

3. This should improve his team.

It's a win/win.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Acknowledges The Obvious

“People are in the streets, some are dead, they have snipers, and behind this is the CIA, the imperial hand of European countries and the United States,” he said, “from my point of view that is what is happening in Iran.”

June 27, 2009

The Population Reduction Agenda For Dummies

There are still large numbers of people amongst the general public, in academia, and especially those who work for the corporate media, who are still in denial about the on-the-record stated agenda for global population reduction, as well as the consequences of this program that we already see unfolding.

Paul Joseph Watson has compiled a compendium of evidence to prove that the elite have been obsessed with eugenics and its modern day incarnation, population control, for well over 100 years and that goal of global population reduction is still in full force to this day. See Prison Planet.com for more evidence.

As was reported only last month by the London Times, a “secret billionaire club” meeting in early May which took place in New York and was attended by David Rockefeller, Ted Turner, Bill Gates and others was focused around “how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population”.

secret billionaire club

We questioned establishment media spin which portrayed the attendees as kind-hearted and concerned philanthropists by pointing out that Ted Turner has publicly advocated shocking population reduction programs that would cull the human population by a staggering 95%. He has also called for a Communist-style one child policy to be mandated by governments in the west. In China, the one child policy is enforced by means of taxes on each subsequent child, allied to an intimidation program which includes secret police and “family planning” authorities kidnapping pregnant women from their homes and performing forced abortions.

Of course, Turner completely fails to follow his own rules on how everyone else should live their lives, having five children and owning no less than 2 million acres of land.

In the third world, Turner has contributed literally billions to population reduction, namely through United Nations programs, leading the way for the likes of Bill & Melinda Gates and Warren Buffet (Gates’ father has long been a leading board member of Planned Parenthood and a top eugenicist).

Michael Jackson - The Blackest Man On The Planet Turns 50 (8-28-08)

The greatest entertainer the world has ever known is being officially shunned. Acquitted of bogus molestation charges, why does the King of Pop get less play than a Kid Rock?

Michael's Relationship with the media really started to go downhill after this:

JACKSON: "They suck - they're like leeches. I'm so tired of it. They start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money, big house, cars, and everything, end up with, penniless. It is conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose."

On Wednesday, the Anti-Defamation League officially demanded an apology from Jackson: "It is important now for Mr. Jackson to stand up and acknowledge that his words are hurtful and hateful. He needs to show his fans that he rejects bigotry and is truly serious about stamping out, in his words, 'the ugliness of racism, anti- Semitism and stereotyping.' This can only begin with an apology to Jews everywhere, especially those fans who have been deeply hurt and offended by his words."

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Was The Neda Soltan YouTube / Twitter Shooting A Black Ops? Remember Where You Heard It First

President George W Bush has given the CIA approval to launch covert "black" operations to achieve regime change in Iran, intelligence sources have revealed.
By Tim Shipman in Washington
Published: 12:01AM BST 27 May 2007

Mr Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilise, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.

Under the plan, pressure will be brought to bear on the Iranian economy by manipulating the country's currency and international financial transactions.

Details have also emerged of a covert scheme to sabotage the Iranian nuclear programme, which United Nations nuclear watchdogs said last week could lead to a bomb within three years.

The CIA will also be allowed to supply communications equipment which would enable opposition groups in Iran to work together and bypass internet censorship by the clerical regime.

The plans, which significantly increase American pressure on Iran, were leaked just days before a meeting in Iraq tomorrow between the US ambassador, Ryan Crocker, and his Iranian counterpart.

Tensions have been raised by Iran's seizure of what the US regards as a series of "hostages" in recent weeks. Three academics who hold dual Iranian-American citizenship are being held, accused of working to undermine the Iranian government or of spying.

Bruce Riedel, until six months ago the senior CIA official who dealt with Iran, said: "Vice-President [Dick] Cheney helped to lead the side favouring a military strike, but I think they have concluded that a military strike has more downsides than upsides."

However, the CIA is giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan.

You Might Be A Plantation Negro If ...

The Plantation Medicine Challenge

DMG said...
Now I have a question for the parents in the audience (Submariner is not allowed to answer).

What would you do in this situation:

You have a 4-week old infant, who for a couple of weeks had been feeding OK, but now you notice

Projectile vomiting. (Forceful ejection of milk or formula up to several feet away) within a half hour after each feeding, which has gradually gotten worse. A couple of times you've seen blood.

And now your little one ALWAYS seems hungry and you notice contractions across his upper belly very soon after eating, and before vomiting.

Little man is crying like crazy but you don't see any tears and he seems weak. You've gone from changing several diapers a day down to maybe 3 or 4 per day, and he's lost weight.

Just curious what you all would do and how long it would take you to seek help, and what you would and would not allow.

Denmark Vesey said ...
Good question Doc.

"Projectile vomiting. (Forceful ejection of milk or formula up to several feet away) within a half hour after each feeding, which has gradually gotten worse. A couple of times you've seen blood."

If my 4 week old is projectile vomiting up blood, after he eats, I am going to assume there is a problem with what he eats. If he is eating milk or formula ... I'm going to KNOW the problem is milk or formula. My children drank breast milk and never had a problem with projectile vomit.

"And now your little one ALWAYS seems hungry and you notice contractions across his upper belly very soon after eating, and before vomiting. Little man is crying like crazy but you don't see any tears and he seems weak. You've gone from changing several diapers a day down to maybe 3 or 4 per day, and he's lost weight."

If my 4 week old infant has been drinking breast milk fine up until now, and is suddenly projectile vomiting, spitting up blood and having contractions, I would take him to the nearest hospital. To get a diagnosis. That's it.

If he's filling his diaper, I'm going to assume it's something viral. If he has a fever, I will be relieved and allow the body to fight the infection on its own.

If he doesn't have a fever I would take him to the nearest hospital. To get a diagnosis. That's it.

I would say thank you and immediately seek alternative holisitic natural treatment of whatever the diagnosis. Inevitably the Plantation doctors are going to recommend drugs. That would be my absolute last resort.

What would you do Doc?

Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Monday, June 22, 2009

Nneka Might Need To Have My Grandbabby

The Plantation Negro Paradigm Takes Yet Another Hit

fist tap to the brother LincolnPerry

Black Folks Loved Them Some Mike Didn't They?

The Blackest Grandmother On The Planet and her sisters 1926

Sunday, June 21, 2009

Government Medicine vs. Holistic Healing

DMG said ...
I'm not looking to fight SHE. I actually think Ayurveda is interesting. It doesn't completely (or in some cases accurately) describe the disease process, but that's a limitation in technology of the era.

SHE made a mistake by stating that it was 'obvious' that an opioid (any opioid) caused cardiac arrest, when it was actually something rather unique to meperidine (which she likely did not know) that could have caused his heart to fail. I figured SHE would appreciate the correction.

Also, SHE makes a mistake by stating that medications are tested for only a years on lab rats, and then tossed into circulation (which shows a misunderstanding of the bench to clinical trials process), while forgetting that "herbs have been tried and tested for over 5000 years on humans" means trial and error directly on human subjects--damn the morbidity and mortality. I don't think we'd want that system to continue today..would you? Everybody has to back up their statements. Ayurveda students don't get a pass. Hopefully, a debate with me will help her hone her debating skills. I wish her luck.

MOTI, at least SHE understands Ayurveda enough to describe how the body works according there way of thinking (I don't think the descriptions are all accurate or correct, but that's another discussion--it is intriguing as some of the descriptions seem to parallel modern science in some ways). SHE doesn't have to invent science as she goes, like you.

Maybe you should stick to politics and leave anatomy and physiology to the professionals. Hmm?

SHE, just so you know I don't view Ayurveda as the "enemy". But as far as changing my practice... something you might prescribe has to meet as high a level of evidence as the current medical standard of care. My advice when you are out of school would be NOT to go out of your way to pick fights or speak poorly of modern medicine, as many of my colleagues will speak ill of Ayurveda without giving it any consideration. In the United States we have more sway.

Charlatans on the internet without ANY training, however, pushing holy water...I have ZERO respect for.
SHE said...

You are probably right about the cause of death:

“Any opioid naturally occurring or synthetic can cause respiratory depression (really shallow breathing) to the point of death (which is where I'd place my bet if I were a betting man).”

I agree with you that this was not the best treatment option.

I think more than a friend, he would have benefited from some yoga, Ayurvedic/Chinese herbs and meditation.

I am concerned about the allopathic treatment approach, because it does not treat the root cause. A local administration of Meperidine simply alleviates the pain temporarily. It is better to treat the cause of the pain, than offer temporary relief “BAND-AID”. I am not against western medicine if the benefits outweigh the adverse effects. If I am in a car accident, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE rush me to the nearest ER. But, also, hook me up with some herbs to aid in a faster recovery.

I believe pain should not be treated with a drug having an extensive list of side effects such as Meperidine. Natural herbs combined with yoga, breathing exercises, marma therapy, and meditation is a better treatment option than injecting a drug locally.

An Ayurvedic approach would be to find the cause of the pain. Pain can be caused by the diet, the mind (psychosomatic), stress, over-exertion, age, an injury, etc. Depending on the cause of the pain, a treatment plan is formulated.

Eastern medicine treats the entire human. The mind, body, and spirit are interconnected. I believe this integration of mind, body, and spirit is lacking in the western approach to illness.

In martial arts and yoga one can train the mind to have a higher tolerance to pain. By meditating and concentrating the mind on the internal workings of the body, we can begin to control our body even at the cellular level. This may be far-fetched for the western thought, but in the east we believe the mind is capable of curing diseases and leaving the body at will (see Nirvikalpa Samadhi).

Classes in Vipassana meditation or similar practices could be an effective treatment or lifestyle change in treating the cause of pain.

Also, manipulation of specific marma points or pressure points may help treat the root of the pain depending on the cause.

Internal or topical herbal treatments made from Ayurvedic herbs can also help treat the cause of pain. For example: Bala (Sida cordifolia) or Rasnadi churna.

As for your comment on human lab rats: Of course these naturally growing herbs were tested on humans at some point in the long history of Ayurveda. That is my point. They have already been used and tested for thousands of years. Many of these herbs still exist today because they work.
Modern science should recognize this and integrate these herbs because they have already been proven safe and effective throughout our history. A classical Ayurvedic textbook says this: “By knowing one science alone one cannot arrive at a proper conclusion. Therefore a physician should study other sciences in order to arrive at a correct diagnosis. (Susruta Samhita Sutrasthana 4.6)” Perhaps, it is time to start integrating.