The full shocking details of how Michael Jackson was killed by a heavy dose of morphine were revealed last night. Michael Jackson collapsed after Dr Conrad Robert Murray injected him with a lethal shot of the painkiller Demerol.Dr Murray is being questioned by police tonight. He had raised suspicions after detectives were unable to trace him for several hours following Jacko’s death from a massive heart attack.
A source close to the Jackson family said that soon after the jab at 11.30am on Thursday, the superstar’s breathing “got slower and slower till it stopped”.
A family member claimed the Texan cardiologist – dubbed a Dr Feelgood – gave the star a lethal shot of Demerol on Thursday, shortly before he collapsed from a massive heart attack at his home.
And a harrowing phone call to the emergency services was made public by paramedics during which the doctor tried desperately to resuscitate the stricken star. Sources said 50-year-old dad-of-three Jacko had no pulse when ambulance staff arrived on the scene.
At Dr Murray’s insistence, the crew spent 42 minutes trying to revive the singer. They then took him to the UCLA Medical Centre, where doctors frantically continued to revive him in vain. But sources claimed Dr Murray refused to let them call the coroner.
Last night a disturbing picture of the pop legend’s troubled final days began to emerge as friends and colleagues spoke of their fears over his reliance on painkillers. Jackson’s lawyer yesterday blamed the star’s death on prescription drugs. Brian Oxman said: “I will not be silent. This was something which I feared and something which I warned about.
“If you think the case of Anna Nicole Smith was abuse then that is nothing in comparison to what we have been seeing in Michael’s life. I have been very very critical of the use of medications.”
It was claimed Jacko’s dad Joe recently tried to send his son to rehab for what he suspected was an “addiction to prescription drugs”.
30 comments:
DV:
MJ was a very good case of someone who got stuck on 'plantation meds'. There are many doctors out there who run pain management clinics and their job is to give you drugs to help physical pain from your ailments. Nothing about getting to the SOURCE of the physical pain, nothing about trying alternative approaches, you simply go there ask for Vicodin or Percocet and you get it. I speak from personal experience.
His doctors were irresponsible and at some point his medical professionals should have refused to be his enabler. Addiction to pain meds is pernicious because it is a LEGALLY sanctioned addiction.
DV:
Just as Botox or snake venom or vitamin E are worthy treatments when taken in moderation or deadly concoctions if taken in excess - HOW IS IT that you can blame the DRUGS rather than the MAN who prescribed them in a manner that was not in line with the patient that took them?
Michael Jackson was a frail man.
Some people defend him because they say he had the "mind of a child" per his early experiences with fame.
His weight made it necessary to evaluate his dosage levels like we would do with a child. Certainly his low weight impacted his body's ability to metabolize the drugs that were within him.
With millions of other people having taken their dosage and lived to tell about it - how is it that you offer a banket condemnation on the drug?
"With millions of other people having taken their dosage and lived to tell about it - how is it that you offer a banket condemnation on the drug?" CF
The same way I offer a blanket condemnation of crack.
There are people who take heroin "in moderation".
Why are doctors who shoot people with Demerol cool and men who sell heroin to people who shoot themselves doing 50 years?
with millions of other people having taken their dosage...,
For some reason, I hear urkel when I read that line..,
DV, could you please start a 200 Proof Plantation Negro Award of the week/month/year specifically to highlight moments of rare, undiluted moonshine from these special kneegrows?
I would be surprised if something unusual killed Michael Jackson. Addiction to narcotics is nothing to make light of. These medications have the potential for abuse. This is a situation of misuse and abuse. Or maybe Iranian intelligence forces killed MJ to take the worlds gaze off of what's going on in Iran...
I think Nancy Pelosi did him... to distract the citizenry whilst she ramrodded that NWO climate bill through Congress.
Watch... when it's time for the Senate to get ready to vote, Walter Cronkite's gonna die, and the media won't be talkin' 'bout shit else.
Weapons of Mass Distraction.
Demerol is a painkiller that blocks the pain signals in the body. Or, in other words, it disturbs the natural functioning of the autonomic nervous system, which controls the heartbeat. If Demerol blocks the messages of pain in the body, why would it not block the message to regulate the heartbeat? Clearly, it would lead to cardiac arrest at some point.
Some of the many side effects of Demerol are Cardiovascular: Flushing of the face, tachycardia, bradycardia, palpitation, hypotension, and syncope.
Demerol is a highly addictive. Demerol contains meperidine, a mu-agonist opioid with an abuse liability similar to morphine. MJ just needed some herb.
MJ would have benefited from an ayurvedic practitioner. Ayurveda has a variety of herbal combinations that are excellent for pain relief and anxiety without the toxic side effects: Nirgundi (Vitex negundo), Brahmi (Bacopa monniera-Folium), Manduparni (Gotu Kola), Guggulu (Comminphora mukul-resin), Bala (Sida Cordifolia), Ashwagandha (Withania somniferia), etc.
These herbs have been tried and tested for over 5000 years on humans. If they are still existing today, I would deem them a lot safer than a pharmaceutical drug that has been tested for a few years or even months on lab rats!
I am sure they are going to blame the doctor more than the pharmaceutical company. The doctor is merely a cog in the grander machine. Doctors are educated on the use of very toxic drugs in universities. They have no knowledge of safer treatment options. It is a backward system.
The long term effects of many of these drugs are unknown. How can a system of medicine allow this?
Brilliant entertainer. Fatally flawed. Just a weird human being. Turned a handsome black face into the nightmare on Elm St.
No one is surprised that this dude surrounded himself with parasites and medical crackpots.
He was so far removed from his roots. He was a lost soul searching for peace and happiness in all of the wrong places.
I think Michael was fine, and doesn't need anyone's pity.
A dead Michael Jackson is more alive than most Plantation Negros still walking around.
SHE,
You got this partially correct. Demerol (which is the brand name for Meperidine-depending on the country) is a fast acting opioid.
This statement isn't correct:
"If Demerol blocks the messages of pain in the body, why would it not block the message to regulate the heartbeat? Clearly, it would lead to cardiac arrest at some point"
The problem with this statement is that there are a number of classes analgesic (opioid included) that have little effect on cardiac tissue.
What's interesting about Meperidine is that it's different than the other opioid medications. It was synthesized to resemble atropine before it was found to have analgesic properties.
Meperidine has a half-life of about 3 hours, and given by intramuscular injection (like MJ had) isn't known to cause sudden cardiac events. However, if the medication is given intravenously, it may cause rapid heart rate and other conditions that could lead to cardiac arrest. However, he had apparently been getting daily intramuscular injections. So what's the problem if Meperidine's half-life is only 3 hours? Meperidine has a metabolite (an intermediate form) that hangs around for a half life of 15-20 hours called normeperidine...which could reach toxic levels enough to cause a cardiac event.
But does any of this even matter? 911 call said he was given Demerol and stopped breathing. Any opioid naturally occurring or synthetic can cause respiratory depression (really shallow breathing) to the point of death (which is where I'd place my bet if I were a betting man). Meperidine is in this class, as are some of the narcotics to which he was rumored to have an addiction.
What else could have happened? MJ had been hospitalized several times over the past 10 years for dehydration. Dehydration severe enough can lead to electrolyte abnormalities, which could lead to cardiac arrhythmia's leading to cardiac arrest. The man was not the picture of health, looked (from a distance) poorly nourished, and was thought to be a hypochondriac, having had several medications in different names (notably many antibiotics) seized from him after his child molestation charge. The man was almost 51 years old, and trying to keep a schedule like he was 21. Add 10 hour strenuous rehearsal schedule and enablers (if this is true) willing to procure for a man widely thought to be addicted to opioid narcotics. I'm surprised he wasn't dead a few months ago.
So, what did Michael Jackson need? He probably mostly needed one sane, and grounded close friend to talk to him about embarking on a 50 date concert tour in his physical and mental state.
I wasn't that big of a fan, I liked him when I was younger. It's just sad to see him go out like this.
Misuse and abuse. Like I said before even drinking too much water can kill you.
SHE,
Almost forgot.
"These herbs have been tried and tested for over 5000 years on humans. If they are still existing today, I would deem them a lot safer than a pharmaceutical drug that has been tested for a few years or even months on lab rats!"
In your system, humans WERE the lab rats. Any historical records on the human subjects who were harmed or killed by some of those herbs along the way?
[quote]Why are doctors who shoot people with Demerol cool and men who sell heroin to people who shoot themselves doing 50 years?[/quote]
DV:
I told you previously about how I deal with conspiracy theorists like yourself and KCNulan "The Egoist".
Since you are attempting to make a relative equivalence between Medical Doctors and Drug Dealers -
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO make the next logical step and proclaim that there is no need for young Black males to pursue medical training with the hopes of becoming a physician. Being a DRUG DEALER is just fine, and a lot less expensive.
Can I get you to go on record acknowledging this?
What about preemptively cutting all "dangerous" drugs from Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Anything that will kill you in excess will no longer be available. Just give them high dosages of Vitamin C to cure everything.
Doc,
You may be trying waaaay too hard now.
Slapping around attention-deprived bi-polar bibtards and cognitively dissonant attorneys is one thing, but looking for a fight with SHE seems a tad extra.
As a bellweather, note the fact that you've now acquired a knuckle-dragging kneegrow coonservative lamprey......,
LOL. ahhhhhh man. That's a good one CNu.
But you, DMG, CF and UBM all poppin the same shit. Don't try to separate yourself from the Colored Dullards now.
We remember. Just last week prescription drugs, and vaccines were the air beneath ya'lls wings.
200,000 Americans a year will be killed by Plantation doctors. Michael Jackson was one of them.
With ya'lls battin' record, tomorrow Obama will pass out after his doctor injects him with a dose of processed salt.
Feedback.
I don't even know where to start dude.
You are so caught up in the Plantation title "Doctor" that you have forgotten what their mission is supposed to be.
Instead of healing people, Plantation Negros think the title "Dr." represents some type of occupational salvation for wayward black men. The ultimate affirmation from Massa.
Muhfuggas called "doctor" are shoveling pills into the mouths of the American people on behalf of Big Pharmaceutical companies like their livelihoods depend on it.
***HELLO*** AINT NOBODY GETTIN' HEALED ***.
Feedback. How is the dealer of the narcotic "Demerol" any different from the dealer of the narcotic "Heroin"?
...
Negro please ....
I'm not looking to fight SHE. I actually think Ayurveda is interesting. It doesn't completely (or in some cases accurately) describe the disease process, but that's a limitation in technology of the era.
SHE made a mistake by stating that it was 'obvious' that an opioid (any opioid) caused cardiac arrest, when it was actually something rather unique to meperidine (which she likely did not know) that could have caused his heart to fail. I figured SHE would appreciate the correction.
Also, SHE makes a mistake by stating that medications are tested for only a years on lab rats, and then tossed into circulation (which shows a misunderstanding of the bench to clinical trials process), while forgetting that "herbs have been tried and tested for over 5000 years on humans" means trial and error directly on human subjects--damn the morbidity and mortality. I don't think we'd want that system to continue today..would you? Everybody has to back up their statements. Ayurveda students don't get a pass. Hopefully, a debate with me will help her hone her debating skills. I wish her luck.
MOTI, at least SHE understands Ayurveda enough to describe how the body works according there way of thinking (I don't think the descriptions are all accurate or correct, but that's another discussion--it is intriguing as some of the descriptions seem to parallel modern science in some ways). SHE doesn't have to invent science as she goes, like you.
Maybe you should stick to politics and leave anatomy and physiology to the professionals. Hmm?
SHE, just so you know I don't view Ayurveda as the "enemy". But as far as changing my practice... something you might prescribe has to meet as high a level of evidence as the current medical standard of care. My advice when you are out of school would be NOT to go out of your way to pick fights or speak poorly of modern medicine, as many of my colleagues will speak ill of Ayurveda without giving it any consideration. In the United States we have more sway.
Charlatans on the internet without ANY training, however, pushing holy water...I have ZERO respect for.
MOTI,
Be sure to bring your rhyming skills and anti-physician rhetoric with you if you ever have a dull discomfort around your belly button that turns into a sharp pain in your right lower quadrant over the course of about a day. :) I don't think Pakistani Sea Salt will cure that. My laparoscopic instruments will be waiting.
Yeah yeah Negro MD,
Of course. Feel a pain. Projectile Vomit. Finger up the ass.
Ohhhhhh Kayyyyyy Doc.
We get it.
Enough with the fear tactics.
I have nothing against doctors. I'm just not some Plantation Negro who depends on them to manage my health.
I've got a family full of knucklehead doctors. One of them just left here with my daughter and niece about an hour ago.
She mentioned that she thinks she's fighting off a cold and planned to take some anti-biotics. I asked her had she tried any good pro-biotics. She said "pro-what?"
She's an oncologist. And I'm sure she's good at what she does, but doctors are not infallible.
Admit it Doc, as a profession, you do some wonderful things. But your profession isn't what it used to be.
To a large extent you are pretty much the sales force for Pharmaceutical companies.
So stop the Medical Pharisees routine.
You sound remarkably like Baptist Preachers: "Repent or Burn in Hell!"
"Honor Medical Doctors or Die from an unknown disease!!"
Enough with the fear tactics dude.
I mean. Do you REALLY think you know any more about health and healing people than does SHE?
Ahh, now I get it. You have family members who are doctors, but they love you anyway even if you are the "nutty cousin".
No fear. You'll come to me of your own volition. Either that or become septic and die. Or if it doesn't kill you develop a large abscess. Your choice, I don't really care either way. :)
Look man, if you have an appendix that's about to burst, and you snub your nose because you have some sort of philosophical problem that's on you. You can get the problem taken care of and go home in a day or you can fuck around and risk your life. I get paid the same regardless.
"Do you REALLY think you know any more about health and healing people than does SHE?"
Absolutely. Without any doubt whatsoever.
SHEETAL may have something to add, and I welcome it.
LOL.
That's cute Doc.
But for real man.
I'm the good looking cousin with the glowing skin and thriving kids whose home they love to visit to enjoy the inventive organic delicious and healthy cuisine their processed food eating wives don't make.
I'm the cousin who got them off of cancer causing antiperspirants and using natural deodorant stones.
I'm the cousin got them using shea butter instead of Vaseline.
I'm the cousin got them using organic oil instead of Pam.
I'm the cousin who got them REALLY thinking about vaccines and reading for themselves instead of depending on doctors trained to scare people into injecting their children with MONKEY VIRUS JUICE based on some bullshit lie from the '50's about polio and smallpox.
I'm the cousin who got them thinking about the undeniable connection between Kopowski's experimental inoculation of 1 million Africans and the explosion of AIDS in Africa today.
I'm the cousin got them realizing there's not a muhfuggin' bit of difference between Demerol and heroin.
I'm the cousin they come to for a fresh take on the world - JUST LIKE YOU DO NEGRO.
So again Doc. Stop Frontin'.
The quality of information, perspective and value SHE has dropped in two posts has over shadowed the health advice you've shared since you've been here.
Which amounted to WARNING men to go a finger up their ass annually until you announce they have cancer and prescribe them drugs.
DMG,
You are probably right about the cause of death:
“Any opioid naturally occurring or synthetic can cause respiratory depression (really shallow breathing) to the point of death (which is where I'd place my bet if I were a betting man).”
I agree with you that this was not the best treatment option.
I think more than a friend, he would have benefited from some yoga, Ayurvedic/Chinese herbs and meditation.
I am concerned about the allopathic treatment approach, because it does not treat the root cause. A local administration of Meperidine simply alleviates the pain temporarily. It is better to treat the cause of the pain, than offer temporary relief “BAND-AID”. I am not against western medicine if the benefits outweigh the adverse effects. If I am in a car accident, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE rush me to the nearest ER. But, also, hook me up with some herbs to aid in a faster recovery.
I believe pain should not be treated with a drug having an extensive list of side effects such as Meperidine. Natural herbs combined with yoga, breathing exercises, marma therapy, and meditation is a better treatment option than injecting a drug locally.
An Ayurvedic approach would be to find the cause of the pain. Pain can be caused by the diet, the mind (psychosomatic), stress, over-exertion, age, an injury, etc. Depending on the cause of the pain, a treatment plan is formulated.
Eastern medicine treats the entire human. The mind, body, and spirit are interconnected. I believe this integration of mind, body, and spirit is lacking in the western approach to illness.
In martial arts and yoga one can train the mind to have a higher tolerance to pain. By meditating and concentrating the mind on the internal workings of the body, we can begin to control our body even at the cellular level. This may be far-fetched for the western thought, but in the east we believe the mind is capable of curing diseases and leaving the body at will (see Nirvikalpa Samadhi).
Classes in Vipassana meditation or similar practices could be an effective treatment or lifestyle change in treating the cause of pain.
Also, manipulation of specific marma points or pressure points may help treat the root of the pain depending on the cause.
Internal or topical herbal treatments made from Ayurvedic herbs can also help treat the cause of pain. For example: Bala (Sida cordifolia) or Rasnadi churna.
As for your comment on human lab rats: Of course these naturally growing herbs were tested on humans at some point in the long history of Ayurveda. That is my point. They have already been used and tested for thousands of years. Many of these herbs still exist today because they work.
Modern science should recognize this and integrate these herbs because they have already been proven safe and effective throughout our history. A classical Ayurvedic textbook says this: “By knowing one science alone one cannot arrive at a proper conclusion. Therefore a physician should study other sciences in order to arrive at a correct diagnosis. (Susruta Samhita Sutrasthana 4.6)” Perhaps, it is time to start integrating.
But you, DMG, CF and UBM all poppin the same shit. Don't try to separate yourself from the Colored Dullards now.
Colored Dullards?
LOL..,
Why Denmark Vesey, you madcap....,
You remind me of Shel Silverstein's Smart
My dad gave me one dollar bill
‘Cause I’m his smartest son,
And I swapped it for two shiny quarters
‘Cause two is more than one!
And then I took the quarters
And traded them to Lou
For three dimes – I guess he don’t know
That three is more than two!
Just then, along came old blind Bates
And just ‘cause he can’t see
He gave me four nickels for my three dimes,
And four is more than three!
And I took the nickels to Hiram Coombs
Down at the seed-feed store,
And the fool gave me five pennies for them,
And five is more than four!
And then I went and showed my dad,
And he got red in the cheeks
And closed his eyes and shook his head-
Too proud of me to speak!
We remember. Just last week prescription drugs, and vaccines were the air beneath ya'lls wings.
Silly pink b-rock ballsweat eatin nucca...,
I'm a professional wise man.
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence
The more extraordinary a claim is, the more extraordinarily well tested the evidence must be.
CNu is school for you.
Go 'head CNu!
My boy can Flow!
That's good stuff man.
But for real. It's apparent we got two cats both think they school.
Which makes one of us a fool.
It's either the one who just finished a homegrown organic vegetarian dish.
Or the one with a colon full undigested farm raised fish.
SHE,
Well, you are in luck. It appears that many "alternative" approaches are being taken seriously and claims are being evaluated. But like modern medicine, claims need to stand up to scrutiny.
You can come online, and we can go head to head and battle. No big deal, it's all fun and games here, and I have a tough skin and can take a punch. But, do yourself a favor, when you are finished with your coursework (and I'm not sure if you need to be licensed--I assume you do), don't be confrontational in the real world, especially with advice given to your patients by M.D.'s. Why? Because if you make the wrong call, have your patient deviate from the standard of care, you can be sued. And good luck saying that you have 5,000 years of practice experience from India to back you up. I think you would need to be able to work WITH physicians in the care for their patients.
Just went to my first Yoga class this morning. I liked it, it was more strenuous than I had thought. Maybe MJ would have benefited.
As for MOTI, it is my sincere hope that you stay in good health and won't need my services. It's also my hope that you have the wisdom to recognize when you do and not delay your treatment because of a bull head.
Taken seriously by whom? Being evaluated by whom? Licensed by whom? Who scrutinizes the claims of "modern medicine"?
Your patients are dying. Those that aren't dying are sick.
Your clients are obese.
Your customers are addicted to your products.
Before I finish this comment 40 women will have given birth via unnecessary C-sections because of your system.
What on earth makes you think "modern medicine" should have any more credibility with people than the mortgage industry?
It's too bad Jacko didn't stick with Deepak Chopra. Everyone needs someone who tells them the brutal truth.
“It's not my place to comment on the troubles Michael fell heir to from the past and then amplified by his misguided choices in life. He was surrounded by enablers, including a shameful plethora of M.D.s in Los Angeles and elsewhere who supplied him with prescription drugs. As many times as he would candidly confess that he had a problem, the conversation always ended with a deflection and denial. As I write this paragraph, the reports of drug abuse are spreading across the cable news channels. The instant I heard of his death this afternoon, I had a sinking feeling that prescription drugs would play a key part.”
--Chopra
It seems that Jackson was surrounded by an army of physicians willing to prescribe him drugs. Friend Tarak Ben Ammar also called Jackson a hypochondriac. “'One never really knew if he was sick, because he had become surrounded by charlatan doctors who were billing him thousands of dollars' worth of drugs and vitamins.”
These doctors were infidels to the oath they took, brutal self-aggrandizing bloodsuckers, who don't give a damn about the lives of their patients.
All of them should be thrown into a prison with hard criminals, where they will be surely turned into whores on a nightly basis, while being made to wash other men's underwear during the day.
DMG,
Glad you are doing yoga! I don’t know where you practice, but just a reminder: Corporate gyms like 24-hour fitness sometimes reduce yogic science to a physical exercise. Yoga is not just a series of exercises aimed to enhance merely the physical body. A good yoga practice serves to exercise and enhance the mind, body, and spirit. Yoga unites the individual unit consciousness, with the divine consciousness, God, the cosmos, the creator (whatever you want to call that omnipotent energy). I hope you enjoy and experience expansion in every way!
I am not trying to "pick a fight," just offer alternative solutions. I respect the advances in western medical science, and can only imagine the union of Ayurvedic and Western Medicine. There are many things that work in western science, but holistic medicine might do it better and A LOT cheaper!
Ayurveda can help dissolve ovarian cysts, with herbs that help the excess fluid within the ovary dissolve back into the bloodstream. But, if I have a rare case of a large cancerous ovarian cyst that cannot be treated with Ayurveda, bring over the laparoscopic devices and telescope! Advances in western science can save lives AND Ayurveda can help prevent the disease in the first place. They CAN complement each other. Ayurveda can help prevent cysts by regulating the flow of apana downward. There is not an exact translation according to western science, but basically it means to keep the body’s channels open, flowing normally and thus preventing stagnation. If a pool of water sits still too long, the water will eventually become impure. The same is true in the body.
Things like chronic constipation will eventually lead to future health problems. DMG, do you agree? I know DV agrees. Patients should be educated to examine their stools on a daily basis. If stools are CONSISTENTLY small, hard and sink, or are a soft (almost liquid) consistency, cause a burning sensation, or deviate from healthy stools there should be concern. Healthy stools are brown, well-formed, medium consistency and should float. A prime concern of medical professionals should be educating patients on how to maintain healthy stools. Why not change the diet, add Pranayama (breathing exercises) that encourage peristalsis and prescribe a daily dose of Triphala, Senna, Ghee, etc., depending on the type of constipation? In Sanskrit, Triphala breaks down into Tri meaning three, and phala meaning fruit. Triphala is a combination of three fruits: Haritaki, Bhibitaki, and Amalaki.
"you are what you eat," and you are what you digest. Healthy stools, healthy you.
SHE what you say is reasonable. The closest profession that integrates MD and ayurveda is the doctors of osteopathy. Although, as you have said the integration could be more complete.
SHE,
No 24 Hr Fitness. A local instructor. My best friend is a Yoga instructor in Japan and has lived there the past 15 years. But this is the first real class. Some of the exercises were alot like what I did when I was a high hurdler back in high school and college.
SHE my theme (and you can confirm by checking the archives here and over on a site called Cobb) is that I'm a fan of evidence. In my line of work I have to be. I only get pissed off when someone makes a statement without anything to back it up. Your evidence at this point is in a different form than my evidence. I look forward to seeing some of your therapeutics evaluated. And thanks for the Yoga tip.
About the stools. I tell my patients to look before they flush too. You see, we do have something in common. :)
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