Sasha said...DMG:
Throw low blows if you like. You're right, I am a big girl and not one who wilts in a corner at the first sign of a man hurling insults because he has no legitimate answer to a very direct question.
I sift through bullshit for a living. You're no different than the tap dancers I talk to every single day. The desperation is the same.
I will ask this question one last time in hopes that you have had time to formulate an answer. Heck, I'll even stroke your little doctor ego.
"Dr. DMG, based on our extensive training, background, and experience in the medical profession, what are the benefits of HFCS, chemical additives, and other preservatives to the human body?"
DMG and CNu said ...
Knock out? Hardly.Now, Sasha, don't get your pressure up. WE don't have a beef (yet)...unless you are actually reading into what our resident psychotic Wax has written. I merely asked you to prove your posts....like everybody. Having female chromosomes don't get you special dispensation. In other words, I respect your mind and assume you know how to argue without running off to a corner to cry.
I suppose you aren't going to go back through the archives (side note, MOTI is there a way you can have a searchable index on blogspot? I thought I'd seen one on another blog...).
First of all we need to know what an "HFCS" actually is: High Fructose Corn Syrup consists of drum roll please....
Fructose and Glucose...in varying combinations. Fructose and Glucose combination are commonly found in many things...take the carrot that our hosts daughter is seen munching on several posts down.
Of the total sugars in said carrot Sucrose makes up 70% (I don't have to tell you that sucrose is a disaccaride comprised of--you guessed it fructose and glucose do I?) of the free fructose and glucose in that carrot the ratio is 1:1.
Well, how about "HFCS"? Depends on the type. HFCS 55 (used in sodas): 55% fructose and 42% glucose. HFCS 42 (think baked stuff) 42% fructose and 53% glucose (remember what the combination in the carrot was?). HFCS 90 is the big one 90% fructose and 10% glucose, isn't really used very much at all, mostly to add to HFCS 42 to make HFCS 55. So really other than soda's the main "HFCS" isn't really that high after all."But HFCS's have more calories." Not so. Sucrose (Fructose-Glucose linked) has 4kilocalories per gram. High fructose corn syrup has 3kilocalories per gram--because 1/4 of HFCS's mass is water. Honey has pretty much the same combination of fructose and glucose as HFCS 55 and contains the same amount of water.
So. There's our foundation. So to your question:
"Dr. DMG, based on our extensive training, background, and experience in the medical profession, what are the benefits of HFCS, chemical additives, and other preservatives to the human body?"
Well, let's break down your question into parts.
1. What are the benefits of HFCS...how about we just call them sugars...because really that's what it is. The benefits, and the detriments are the same as table sugar. You stuff yourself with table sugar, your going to get fat, and sick. That's no mystery. Table sugar is actually 50% fructose and Glucose. Don't believe me...look it up.2. Chemical additives (see the first part of my post).
3. Preservatives (see the first part of my post--actually High Fructose Corn Syrup is USED as a preservative).
Your problem isn't with the intrinsic properties of HFCS. It's that it's ubiquitous in the foods that are sold, so your consumption of sugar actually increases. As a nation we still consume an obscene amount of sugar, and actually we consume about 10lbs more sucrose per person than HFCS.
Again it's the quantity, not the quality.
CNu said ...
rotflmbao...,Bacon-Bey is a phukking moron.
What have we learned here;
Stupid can be contagious.
Sadly, it appears that many of the low self-esteem female attorneys who enter Mrs. Bacon-Bey's orbit get caught up in Bacon-Bey's fumes and soon wind up advocating moronic shyte too - with all the vigor and none of the rigor of the typical street corner fiddypage book man...,
[DMG and his trusty chubby sidekick CNu read DIRECTLY from the corn lobby script.
A Black doctor and an obese black man celebrating the health benefits of ... high fructose corn syrup.
That's as stupid as a Jew doctor and a concentration camp inmate celebrating the health benefits of Zyklon-B.]
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Knock out? Hardly.
Now, Sasha, don't get your pressure up. WE don't have a beef (yet)...unless you are actually reading into what our resident psychotic Wax has written. I merely asked you to prove your posts....like everybody. Having female chromosomes don't get you special dispensation. In other words, I respect your mind and assume you know how to argue without running off to a corner to cry.
I suppose you aren't going to go back through the archives (side note, MOTI is there a way you can have a searchable index on blogspot? I thought I'd seen one on another blog...).
First of all we need to know what an "HFCS" actually is: High Fructose Corn Syrup consists of drum roll please....
Fructose and Glucose...in varying combinations.
Fructose and Glucose combination are commonly found in many things...take the carrot that our hosts daughter is seen munching on several posts down.
Of the total sugars in said carrot Sucrose makes up 70% (I don't have to tell you that sucrose is a disaccaride comprised of--you guessed it fructose and glucose do I?) of the free fructose and glucose in that carrot the ratio is 1:1.
Well, how about "HFCS"? Depends on the type. HFCS 55 (used in sodas): 55% fructose and 42% glucose. HFCS 42 (think baked stuff) 42% fructose and 53% glucose (remember what the combination in the carrot was?). HFCS 90 is the big one 90% fructose and 10% glucose, isn't really used very much at all, mostly to add to HFCS 42 to make HFCS 55. So really other than soda's the main "HFCS" isn't really that high after all.
"But HFCS's have more calories." Not so. Sucrose (Fructose-Glucose linked) has 4kilocalories per gram. High fructose corn syrup has 3kilocalories per gram--because 1/4 of HFCS's mass is water. Honey has pretty much the same combination of fructose and glucose as HFCS 55 and contains the same amount of water.
So. There's our foundation. So to your question:
"Dr. DMG, based on our extensive training, background, and experience in the medical profession, what are the benefits of HFCS, chemical additives, and other preservatives to the human body?"
Well, let's break down your question into parts.
1. What are the benefits of HFCS...how about we just call them sugars...because really that's what it is. The benefits, and the detriments are the same as table sugar. You stuff yourself with table sugar, your going to get fat, and sick. That's no mystery. Table sugar is actually 50% fructose and Glucose. Don't believe me...look it up.
2. Chemical additives (see the first part of my post).
3. Preservatives (see the first part of my post--actually High Fructose Corn Syrup is USED as a preservative).
Your problem isn't with the intrinsic properties of HFCS. It's that it's ubiquitous in the foods that are sold, so your consumption of sugar actually increases. As a nation we still consume an obscene amount of sugar, and actually we consume about 10lbs more sucrose per person than HFCS.
Again it's the quantity, not the quality.
rotflmbao...,
Bacon-Bey is a phukking moron.
What have we learned here;
Stupid can be contagious.
Sadly, it appears that many of the low self-esteem female attorneys who enter Mrs. Bacon-Bey's orbit get caught up in Bacon-Bey's fumes and soon wind up advocating moronic shyte too - with all the vigor and none of the rigor of the typical street corner fiddypage book man...,
Sasha,
The statement:
"I suppose you aren't going to go back through the archives (side note, MOTI is there a way you can have a searchable index on blogspot? I thought I'd seen one on another blog...)."
is a fraud.
If you really check....you would get this...
"Ducktor HFCS kryptonite."
Lustig -One of his priest class explains the Plantation Truth on HFCS.
Every time he uses the Corn lobby mantra, he runs to the corner and hide on the good Dr.Lustig statements....
Click here
Instead of just fessing up and saying HFCS is the cheapest form of sugar ever made(pennies) therefore you could now put it on every thing and anything including cardboard to make it taste good. Sell more of everything and anything with no cost. Only reason why you add HFCS is $$$$$$$$ not for anything else.
It then makes his other slick statement: "and actually we consume about 10lbs more sucrose per person than HFCS" such a crock.
THEY PUT HFCS EVEN ON BACON AND BURGERS.LOL.
90% of the foods in the supermarket has it. IT IS THE NUMBER 1 INGREDIENT !!
Then he tries to fake you and say Chemical additives and or preservatives (LOL)- see above post meme trick is the reason. Damm!!!! Duckster is the best!
He will never talk to you about Lustig comment on HFCS like:
"If you received your fructose only from vegetables and fruits (where it originates) as most people did a century ago, you’d consume about 15 grams per day -- a far cry from the 73 grams per day the typical adolescent gets from sweetened drinks."
In vegetables and fruits, it’s mixed in with fiber, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and beneficial phytonutrients, all which moderate any negative metabolic effects."
or
"Fructose is the most lipophilic carbohydrate. In other words, fructose converts to activated glycerol (g-3-p), which is directly used to turn FFAs into triglycerides. The more g-3-p you have, the more fat you store. Glucose does not do this.
When you eat 120 calories of glucose, less than one calorie is stored as fat. 120 calories of fructose results in 40 calories being stored as fat. Consuming fructose is essentially consuming fat!
Making matters worse, all of the fiber has been removed from these processed foods, so there is essentially no nutritive value at all.
Glucose suppresses the hunger hormone ghrelin and stimulates leptin, which suppresses your appetite. Fructose has no effect on ghrelin and interferes with your brain’s communication with leptin, resulting in overeating."
At the end of the day, anyone who can read the following two links and/or watch Lustig's video above , will see how much our resident Dr?/Professional Blogger is off. Now you understand why Bra is sucking down Subways to lose weight.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/highfructose-corn-syrup-alters-human-metabolism.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/26/sugar-may-be-bad-but-this-sweetener-is-far-more-deadly-part-2.aspx
Even under his own Plantation Doctors guidelines and belief, His reason for why add HFCS is a joke.
good luck Sasha,-the next couple of post from "the guardians" will be filled with Cartman esque 4th grade insults.
MOTI,
You are quite the accomplished propagandist. Good thing your admirers are happy to remain uninformed, otherwise it might get a bit ugly in here for you...
Sasha,
The statement:
"I suppose you aren't going to go back through the archives (side note, MOTI is there a way you can have a searchable index on blogspot? I thought I'd seen one on another blog...)."
is a fraud.
If you really check....you would get this...
"Ducktor HFCS kryptonite."
Lustig -One of his priest class explains the Plantation Truth on HFCS.
Every time he uses the Corn lobby mantra, he runs to the corner and hide on the good Dr.Lustig statements....
Click here
Instead of just fessing up and saying HFCS is the cheapest form of sugar ever made(pennies) therefore you could now put it on every thing and anything including cardboard to make it taste good. Sell more of everything and anything with no cost. Only reason why you add HFCS is $$$$$$$$ not for anything else.
It then makes his other slick statement: "and actually we consume about 10lbs more sucrose per person than HFCS" such a crock.
THEY PUT HFCS EVEN ON BACON AND BURGERS.LOL.
90% of the foods in the supermarket has it. IT IS THE NUMBER 1 INGREDIENT !!
Then he tries to fake you and say Chemical additives and or preservatives (LOL)- see above post meme trick is the reason. Damm!!!! Duckster is the best!
He will never talk to you about Lustig comment on HFCS like:
"If you received your fructose only from vegetables and fruits (where it originates) as most people did a century ago, you’d consume about 15 grams per day -- a far cry from the 73 grams per day the typical adolescent gets from sweetened drinks."
In vegetables and fruits, it’s mixed in with fiber, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and beneficial phytonutrients, all which moderate any negative metabolic effects."
or
"Fructose is the most lipophilic carbohydrate. In other words, fructose converts to activated glycerol (g-3-p), which is directly used to turn FFAs into triglycerides. The more g-3-p you have, the more fat you store. Glucose does not do this.
When you eat 120 calories of glucose, less than one calorie is stored as fat. 120 calories of fructose results in 40 calories being stored as fat. Consuming fructose is essentially consuming fat!
Making matters worse, all of the fiber has been removed from these processed foods, so there is essentially no nutritive value at all.
Glucose suppresses the hunger hormone ghrelin and stimulates leptin, which suppresses your appetite. Fructose has no effect on ghrelin and interferes with your brain’s communication with leptin, resulting in overeating."
At the end of the day, anyone who can read the following two links and/or watch Lustig's video above , will see how much our resident Dr?/Professional Blogger is off. Now you understand why Bra is sucking down Subways to lose weight.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/highfructose-corn-syrup-alters-human-metabolism.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/26/sugar-may-be-bad-but-this-sweetener-is-far-more-deadly-part-2.aspx
Even under his own Plantation Doctors guidelines and belief, His reason for why add HFCS is a joke.
good luck Sasha,-the next couple of post from "the guardians" will be filled with Cartman esque 4th grade insults.
Well Sasha you have a choice.
You can either go with the explanation I provided, or you may ally yourself with a known psychotic who simultaneously believes that sugar is a waste product, and not an source of energy, and that sugar is a source of energy and not a waste product (don't believe me...it's in Wax's own words).
The difference is I can walk you through the science, not send you to a blog with links.
Wax is a sad figure here. If he speaks the way he types, I might say that he had logorrhea and pressured speech, and magical thinking.
Believe what you want. The information is clear as day and staring you all in the face. If you choose to listen to conspiracy theorists, that's on you.
Best Reason why they add HFCS to foods:). LOL
Study: High-fructose corn syrup contains mercury
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-01-27 corn-syrup_N.htm?csp=
By Robert Preidt, HealthDay
Almost half(50%) of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.
Hey Doc.
Yeah man.
You might be right.
All this time I thought CNulan was just gassing you up.
But I must admit.
Both of you might deserve an apology from me.
Based on what you posted in this thread ... it is clear ... High Fructose Corn syrup is indeed good for you when eaten in the proper quantities.
Hell, it's just corn. It's just sugar. No different from table sugar. Your body needs sugar. HFCS is natural sugar. That's all. No cause for alarm. Only when HFCS is abused is it a problem. No different from the sugar one would find in an organic natural carrot.
The enormous spikes in obesity, diabetes, cancer and heart disease that correspond with the introduction of HFCS into the mainstream American diet are pure coincidences.
It's not the quality of substances we put into our bodies.
It's the quantity of substances we put into our bodies.
NOT WAX...LUSTIG!!! :)
ADDRESS YOUR BOYS.
DUCKSTER, YOU ARE THE BEST!
"The difference is I can walk you through the science, not send you to a blog with links."- Brilliant.
when there is no link you say -you got no source.
Genius.
DOC-newsflash!- they can read and walk thru the info themselves. Let them. they will- this isn't the silly marine like military. We are free to figure it out and don't need a " superior" to walk us thru.
Lustig got to you again!
Review the history...you cop out every time on his info.
As DV would say Bra:
Don't hate the playa, Hate the game. got nothing to do with me.
Say whatever about me:), it does not matter.
Just the facts. Is there anything Lustig (your plantation peer) said wrong?
Just read his info.
More reasons that they add HFCS to Food:)
Study: High-fructose corn syrup contains mercury
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-01-27 corn-syrup_N.htm?csp=
By Robert Preidt, HealthDay
Almost half (50% f-ing percent) of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.
BTW,Mercury is a wonderful supplement for the human body. Its in all vaccines...so its gotta be good.
DV,
Can I handle this?
Doc: the setup before the con:)
"Well, how about "HFCS"? Depends on the type. HFCS 55 (used in sodas): 55% fructose and 42% glucose. HFCS 42 (think baked stuff) 42% fructose and 53% glucose (remember what the combination in the carrot was?). HFCS 90 is the big one 90% fructose and 10% glucose, isn't really used very much at all, mostly to add to HFCS
42 to make HFCS 55. So really other than soda's the main
"HFCS" isn't really that high after all.-DMG
What he did not know or mentioned ( thanks to his boys at Princeton study on HFCS) bound vs unbound.
Not the same sugar is sugar con ,he played earlier:
High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized.
This creates a fascinating puzzle. The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles.
Doc, take heart in the fact that these reality casualties are turning up all over the place.
The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories
In case you haven’t noticed, this site is currently being bombarded by a certain strand of conspiracy theorist. I’m still not entirely sure what these people believe in, apart from being absolutely certain that the government is developing brain-eating vaccines, spiking the water with lithium and trying to subdue the population with “reactive” medicine. While it’s always sad to see so much angry ignorance on parade, it’s also a fascinating case study in cognitive dissonance.
The theory of cognitive dissonance – one of most influential theories in social psychology – was pioneered by Leon Festinger, at the University of Minnesota. In the summer of 1954, Festinger was reading the morning newspaper when he encountered a short article about Marion Keech, a housewife in suburban Minneapolis who was convinced that the apocalypse was coming. (Keech was a pseudonym.)
I always find it comical that the resident psychotic actually believes anyone (even the host) believes a word of what he writes.
Do you really want to discuss Lustig's claims? Specifically? Without all the psycho stuff? Sure. But how can I debate with someone who doesn't believe that sugars are an energy source? I mean if they aren't an energy source and just a waste product why would you be touting Lustig's claims? Why would you even care about how much fructose, glucose or sucrose people consume?
Explain.
Wax, you seem to be awfully quiet...
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