Friday, January 11, 2008

22 comments:

CNu said...

Is there really anything about me or my statements that you could point to as "afrosaxon"?

Your language, culture, religion, profession, pov, every single aspect of your existence and public thought exteriorization as a culturally embedded being is purely afrosaxon.

The global system of white supremacy caught you hook, line and sinker decades ago brah. Like the high epopt of the tabernacle of global white supremacy, you too wallow in the pseudo innocent enjoyment of white privilege while making inordinate mouth noises (textual) to the contrary. No point in pretending otherwise and keeping racial accounts as if your way of life reflected any substantive or meaningful protest against the same.

DV - OTOH - makes no pretensions to struggle. He embraced his anglosaxon excesses a long time ago, in fully cinematic terms, and wallows in that shit like an egoist on a high-drip dopamine IV. He absolutely worships at the alter of an unbridled western leisure class spectacle, celebrating every minute of it and calling attention to it as yours for the taking.

CNu said...

All that GSWS shit makes its psychic adherents look the part of Patricia Neal in Fountainhead pretending even for a moment that she hain't giving up the nappy.

Michael Fisher said...

Dwight, I hope the well-reasoned, logical exposition displayed above will make things clear to you.

CNu said...

Sorry Dwight, ran out of battery power waiting for my kids to get out of wushu...,

The reason your statement is an unselfconscious moment of purest afrosaxon comedy gold - is because of the obviousness of its denial of the "reality of the situation."

It is an empirical fact and indisputable reality that you are an entirely western man. Your consciousness is as fully western as your lifestyle. Living one way and talking another can only make you a hypocrite, not a revolutionary.

Talking about a global system of white supremacy and living like a melaninated supremator - is not heroic, not thought criminal, not culturally insurgent, not revolutionary, not even psychologically liberating - rather, it's just unselfconsciously hypocritical.

The facts defining your exclusively anglospheric and since Black identified "afro"-saxon way of life are lost on no outside observer. However, the moment these obvious externalities become lost on you, is the moment you've permitted a set of unfalsifiable deductions to make you stuck on stupid. I'm confident that you don't want to go out like that. As you can plainly see, no other grown-assed, Black identified man or woman permitted their sanity to be thusly assaulted, you shouldn't either.

Anonymous said...

Oh contrare, Michael. I sincerley appreciate Cnu's opinion. It helps me to understand that I have been remiss in my attepmts at communication with the brah. I'll give him the opportunity to clarify where it appears to me his logic leaps.

I am going to make a huge assumption at this point. I am going to assume we are using at least a reasonably similar definition of the word AfroSaxon. If so, then in fact I happen to agree with some of what he says. I think all of us, even Cnu if he is willing to admit it, have been infected with Anglo-Saxonism to varying degrees, and I also believe that despite our best efforts otherwise, we will likely never completely divest ourselves of the conditioning that has been applied. But CNu, doesn't that prove my point? If in fact we are AfroSaxon, then someone or something is responsible for conditioning us to be that way. I think you see where this is going.

Now as to some of that other stuff, could you clarify exactly how I might "wallow in the pseudo innocent enjoyment of white privilege"? What is "keeping racial accounts"? And do you really think you know me well enough to know what my personal life is, much less how I am going about my meaningful and/or substantive protest?

Anonymous said...

What "what reality of the situation" are you referring to?

(I'm trying to digest this bit by bit, rather than simply reject it all out of hand.)

"Talking about a global system of white supremacy and living like a melaninated supremator "

Before I deconstruct it let me make sure I really understand it. How exactly am I living like a melaninated supremator?

And while you are at it how about using small words to explain what is a "set of unfalsifiable deductions"?

CNu said...

I think all of us, even Cnu if he is willing to admit it, have been infected with Anglo-Saxonism to varying degrees, and I also believe that despite our best efforts otherwise, we will likely never completely divest ourselves of the conditioning that has been applied. But CNu, doesn't that prove my point? If in fact we are AfroSaxon, then someone or something is responsible for conditioning us to be that way. I think you see where this is going.

Proves nothing beside the fact that we're cultural afrosaxons. Going beyond that is going off the tracks. Are there significant and deeply pernicious problems plaguing the anglosphere in which we're culturally and psychologically embedded? Obviously the answer is yes! Equally obviously, these problems need to be addressed.

Now as to some of that other stuff, could you clarify exactly how I might "wallow in the pseudo innocent enjoyment of white privilege"?

By living an anglospheric way of life (your ontological polity) while clinging to an ideologically oppositional political point of view (your epistemological polity). Thinking anti-anglospheric thoughts while doing purely anglospheric deeds - doesn't make you innocent - it just makes you confused.

What is "keeping racial accounts"? "Keeping accounts" is a "work" term describing an internal dialog in which you maintain an imaginary grievance with non-existent persecutors. Kind of like cussing for 20 minutes and pouting after a driver cuts you off on the road.

And do you really think you know me well enough to know what my personal life is, much less how I am going about my meaningful and/or substantive protest?

Dood, youse an accountant and financial advisor in a suit..., can it get any more quintessentially conventional and in conformity with the status quo than that?

CNu said...

What "what reality of the situation" are you referring to?

uh..., DV was quoting you Dwight. You tell me exactly what YOU had in mind since you said it originally?

Before I deconstruct it let me make sure I really understand it. How exactly am I living like a melaninated supremator?

Do you drive a car? Pay taxes? Vote? Since all these activities support the continuing worldwide projection of American force to preserve the American way of life in which you participate, you're by default a full participant in any and all forms of supremacy practiced by the American state, worldwide.

And while you are at it how about using small words to explain what is a "set of unfalsifiable deductions"?

Nope Dwight - you got a dictionary. Better yet - and more convenient to you - google.com is right there at your fingertips.

"unfalsifiable claims" or "unfalsifiable deductions" are standard enough terms that you're obligated to either familiarize yourself with them if you intend to engage in ideological discourse - or simply quit the playing field for lack of baseline knowledge and skill. Being the professional that you are, I'm confident you won't quit the playing field or waste any more cycles playing dumb. That type of tactical sophistry is beneath you brah.

Anonymous said...

Why is it going of the tracks? This all started because you denounce me as a hypocrite for expousing a theory of GSWS, and now your own logic veers right into the same lane and it's not relevant?

You need to be more specific CNu. Are you saying because I live in a house rather than an Igloo or a grass hut, I am living anglo-saxon?Is it because I occasionally where a suit? Is it because i do the necessary things to survive in my environment? Be more specific, what exactly is it that you think I am doing?

It's obvious you don't know me if you think I am an accountant, but even if i was, have you never heard of the spook who sat behind the door? wouldn't you need to know what my advice might be before you determined that I was as status quo as you want to believe I am?

CNu said...

Why is it going of the tracks? This all started because you denounce me as a hypocrite for expousing a theory of GSWS, and now your own logic veers right into the same lane and it's not relevant?

Fact check brah. I stated that your claim that DV is involved in anything even remotely resembling your ideological struggle is comedy gold, period.

I then proceeded to prove your basic afrosaxinity. (at your request)

I then quoted your terminology re; "the reality of the situation" to further elaborate on the paradox separating your lived modality from your professed ideology.

As of this juncture, I haven't denounced you at all.

You need to be more specific CNu. Are you saying because I live in a house rather than an Igloo or a grass hut, I am living anglo-saxon?Is it because I occasionally where a suit? Is it because i do the necessary things to survive in my environment? Be more specific, what exactly is it that you think I am doing?


At this point I'm rather certain you're engaging in unbecoming tactical sophistry to buy time to try to mount a more persuasive discursive riff, because I've answered all your questions and plainly pointed out the irreconcilability of your claims to strident ideological oppositionality juxtiposed with a fully compliant way of life.

It's obvious you don't know me if you think I am an accountant, but even if i was, have you never heard of the spook who sat behind the door? wouldn't you need to know what my advice might be before you determined that I was as status quo as you want to believe I am?

My bad, law school graduate. (guess I should use google.com too) Does that mean you're an officer of the court and a practicing attorney? (if so, then your compliance level just went up two orders of magnitude)

As for the rest, whatever motives you claim are patently unfalsifiable here and therefore outside the purview of logical or factual discourse. I and anyone else attending to this thread can no more ascertain your spook-by-the-door status than we can Chuck Barris' claim to being a CIA assassin with 33 kills to his credit. All that we can know for certain is that you are an afrosaxon in good standing and a full and compliant participant in the American way of life. Everything else is merely diversionary conversation....,

Anonymous said...

Yeah that's right I'm stalling. Trying to work out whether what you are presenting is even worth discussing. Fast becoming certain that it's not.

Unfalsifiable. I like that. Like this statement "a full and compliant participant in the American way of life". Aren't we all. aat least those of us who live here? I drive a car so I'm complicit in the systemic problem. I guess if I rode a horse I would be a cowboy, huh Gus?

"outside the purview of logical or factual discourse". I like this one too. That can be very convenient when you no longer think your logic can withsatnd rational challenge. You don't need any facts or logic if you simply state a fact (like I live in America) and then proceed to determine that the fact of my residence in America fully and completely supports other, much more subjective conclusions.

If as you said, my contention that DV was involved in any kind of struggle is your only point here, then I concede the point that you may indeed be correct that DV is not involved in anything worthwhile.

What I do not concede is that you have "plainly pointed out the irreconcilability of your claims to strident ideological oppositionality juxtiposed with a fully compliant way of life". What you have plainly pointed out is that where there is knowledge outside of your personal sphere of knowing, you choose to conduct yourself as if that knowledge does not exist. Whatever works for you playa. For myself, I think I will simply stick to my unfalsifiable ways until a better program comes along.

I now know how to manage subsequent contacts. Thanks for the enlightenment.

CNu said...

If as you said, my contention that DV was involved in any kind of struggle is your only point here, then I concede the point that you may indeed be correct that DV is not involved in anything worthwhile.

He doesn't claim to be. You OTOH DO claim involvement in some kind of struggle. However, as far as anyone else can gather from your writings, your "struggle" is confined entirely to your own imagination.

What you have plainly pointed out is that where there is knowledge outside of your personal sphere of knowing, you choose to conduct yourself as if that knowledge does not exist.

"nah, nah, nah-boo-boo" would've been stronger than that dood...., but thanks to your handwaving reply, my "personal sphere of knowing" now includes the indisputable fact that you're also entirely incapable of providing empirical evidence for your GS/WS hypothesis.

I now know how to manage subsequent contacts.

You should avoid them the same way a soap bubble avoids contact with hard sharp objects....,

Denmark Vesey said...

"DV - OTOH - makes no pretensions to struggle. He embraced his anglosaxon excesses a long time ago, in fully cinematic terms, and wallows in that shit like an egoist on a high-drip dopamine IV. He absolutely worships at the alter of an unbridled western leisure class spectacle, celebrating every minute of it and calling attention to it as yours for the taking." CNU


Brilliant! LOL!

Rumble young man Rumble!

Aghhhhhhhh!!!!

CNu, if it weren't for you and Submariner, I'd be bored with these pedestrian adversaries.

These ... local yocals.

These Negros of thinly veiled low self-esteem.

Good stuff man.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Thinking anti-anglospheric thoughts while doing purely anglospheric deeds - doesn't make you innocent - it just makes you confused."

LOLOLOL OhMyGod OhMyGod OhMyGod LOL

Wheeeeeeewwww ...

man!

That was an Ali-Liston II over-hand right to the jaw "Get up Sucka!".

Denmark Vesey said...

And do you really think you know me well enough to know what my personal life is, much less how I am going about my meaningful and/or substantive protest?

Dood, youse an accountant and financial advisor in a suit..., can it get any more quintessentially conventional and in conformity with the status quo than that?


AGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! LOLOL AGGJHcough cough AGhhhhh

This mafucka needs to be on stage.

CNu. Stop man.

I'm wakin' kids up.

Denmark Vesey said...

"I and anyone else attending to this thread can no more ascertain your spook-by-the-door status than we can Chuck Barris' claim to being a CIA assassin with 33 kills to his credit.

All that we can know for certain is that you are an afrosaxon in good standing and a full and compliant participant in the American way of life. Everything else is merely diversionary conversation....,"

Damn.

Mayweather ... 10th round ... goes to the body with the jab.

CNu, this is a virtuoso performance.

Michael Fisher said...

I guess it went over your head that Nulan dissed you in a major way, DV.

Dwight, are the lucid, highly logical , and once again well-reasoned expositions displayed subsequent to my initial question make things clearer to you now?

Anonymous said...

Michael, I assure you that I am as amused by their antics as they appear to be. I concede your point; things are crystal clear to me at this point.

Michael Fisher said...

Good, Dwight, let's move on then.

Note, by the way, that DV has yet to contradict Telemaque.

Maybe a lesson for all of us, me thinks.

Denmark Vesey said...

Michael Fisher said...
"Note, by the way, that DV has yet to contradict Telemaque."


I missed that Brother Mike. My fault. Contradict what?

Michael Fisher said...


I missed that Brother Mike. My fault. Contradict what?


DV you might be a lot of things, but you ain't stupid.

So don't act like you missed anything whatsoever.

Denmark Vesey said...

And you aint clairvoyant.

Honestly Mike, I skimmed most of that homoerotic conversation between you and your alter-ego ... "Telemaque".

You / Telemaque asked this question more than once. I want to make sure I answer it.

Contradict what Mike / Telemaque?