Are you sure your problem with Hip Hop is not really just another thinly veiled problem with black men?Cookie said...
I don't have a problem with Hip Hop or black men for that matter.i have been addressing a particular aspect of the Hip Hop game that you see as art.
I'm speaking here of the constant display of raw sexuality that is just plain tired and overdone. Not to mention, psychologically speaking, screaming insecurity. "Hey, everybody look at me and my big black penis!" It is not innovative.
I know, I know, you say the world already fears the black penis. Whatever. It's all part of the same continum of hate perpetuates self hate.
Umm. Interesting Cookie. I think I get your point. Raw sexuality and the big black penis is overdone. Played out. People just aren't interested anymore. Sex doesn't sell. The American masses are just craving for subtle intellectual stimulation. Film and TV rarely ever indulge in sexual imagery anymore. "Desperate Housewives" and "Sex and The City The Movie" are about relationships and explore the more ethereal aspects of the human experience. Rappers are among the last holdouts of cultural barbarians attempting to force-feed their brand of sexual imagery onto everyone else. Noooooooo!! Of course not! Never in a million years would black men be subject to double standards, malice, prejudice and resentment because of the big black penis.
If Ben Stiller could rap like Fiddy we would we hear the same complaints.
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50 and Kanye are startin' to look real gay to me, actually.
at best, they are trying to hard.
I mean, seriously, can you imagine how much lack of self-respect it would take for a man to have a woman's hands down his pants in a picture that he distributes all around the world?? Basically, 50 has the self-esteem of a female porn star. I wonder if Jimmy Iovine green-lighted this??
The obsession with 1/2 naked 50 cent is getting a little wierd, cuz.
LOL. Aight Aight.
But you know I'm taunting you Jay.
Your jealous obsession with one man cracks me up.
It's like you don't even see fine ass Ciara, so busy hating on Curtis.
I don't know about Morehouse, but at HU we thought nothin' was more homo than hatin' a man for doing his thing.
You are bombarded with images of bare chested white men all the time. Why does a bare chested black male entertainer invoke such Freudian outbursts?
LOL.
Honestly, DV, I've never really given much thought to 50. I have never listened to a full 50 album. I like some of the tracks I hear when I'm bubblin' on Sunset, but I know almost nothing of the dude except what I hear during your frequent 50-worship sessions. (smile). My mind prefers quiet, generally, or Afro-Carrib music. If I was really hatin' on the dude, you'd know it. I wouldn't trade lives with 50 or any other person.
I didn't even know that was Ciara. She's a little skinny for me. I prefer Beyonce-type thickness. (Nice pic). I like meat on the thighs and ass. But don't get it twisted, Ciara would do. I can do without seeing 50's butt crack and pubic hair!! LOL!
C'mon cuz!
Most of the niggaz I know from HU went to jail.
Honestly, I do see pics of bare-chested white dudes on yahoo.com and such and truthfully it makes me sick to my stomach too.
I didn't even know that was Ciara. I can do without seeing 50's butt crack and pubic hair!! LOL! C'mon cuz!
Aight. Aight.
You didn't see Ciara but you saw Fiddy's butt crack.
It is what it is.
But for real man. Hatin' on Fiddy or Kanye in 2007, without really being able to dig em, is like hatin' on Miles and Bird in 1957, without having heard them.
But it's also telling. What's up with the knee-jerk need to attack black men?
Has the innate fear of black male sexuality crept into the ranks of the black corporate bourgeois?
LOL!
I don't want anything to do with another dudes' sexuality, regardless of race!!
Come on now, it is really short-sighted to compare Miles and Bird to Fiddy!
I'm not hating on the art form of hip hop, but the difference between the innovators of Jazz and the modern-day hip hop artist is that Jazz was celebratory. The blues of the artist was felt and understood without the necessity of exploiting others.
Considering the images of the beautiful, confident black women displayed on your site, I find the fact that you so adamantly defend "Fiddy's" pornographic displays contradictory.
I think I speak for a great deal of women of color when I say that it is just straight up painful to see a brother choose to objectify his women in the same derogatory way that the white establishment has elected to do for centuries. There's no justification for it.
A truckload of women with low self esteem lining up to dance around half naked in a hip hop video is no different than kids lining up to get free candy. There may be brief satisfaction, but in the long run, it's no good for you.
You name yourself after Denmark Vessey, "determined to free his people or die trying"
Is is just me, or do widespread public images of explicit sexuality amongst African Americans in hip hop keep us perpetually bound to age long stereotypes?
No, Cookie
What keeps you bound to age long stereotypes is lack of imagination, sheep like group think, and fear of self-expression. Don't blame hip hop.
Name anything poignant produced by black America in the past 10 years that wasn't hip hop?
The same people hyper critical of Hip Hop today hated Miles, and hated Dizzy, and hated Bird and hated Monk 40 years ago. Not until white "connoisseurs" ... "discovered"... jazz did it become fashionable for the masses to jump on board.
You find the inclusion of hip hop imagery contradictory in the quest for black empowerment. I find it complimentary. As a matter of fact, and ironically enough, it is one of the few avenues of black expression operating outside the box of general conformity that has trapped Americans across the board.
For those that understand that rims aint always rims, a bitch is not always a woman, and 4 pound aint always a gun, the internationally phenomenal success that is hip hop does not surprise.
Love it or hate it people feel it.
As people are being ground into conformity, making them feel anything is power.
Are you sure your problem with Hip Hop is not really just another thinly veiled problem with black men?
There's a lot of that going around.
(like in Jena)
it is one of the few avenues of black expression operating outside the box of general conformity that has trapped Americans across the board.
that and porno. which is what the above photos remind me of.
is that what we're going for, powerful porno?
i ain't mad if it is. it takes all kinds.
but dont try to couch that into something deeper.
You see porno Jasai. I see art.
People see what they want to see.
If people REALLY wanted your girl India Arie, we'd be talking about her barely relevant ass, but we not. Why?
you're not. (contrary to popular belief "you" aren't "we")
and apparently more people are talking about kanye than fiddy. does that mean we have finally heard the last of him?
he promised.
reall dear, i have no problem with 50. i don't listen to his music or buy his "stuff". anybody who wants to should. but the degree to which you swing from his tree makes it easy to jab you by poking at him.
way too easy.
jab, poke, moi?
LOL.
This is school Jasai.
I'm just using Fiddy as the carrot on a stick for black folks to exorcise their demons of self-hate.
Are you sure your problem with Hip Hop is not really just another thinly veiled problem with black men?
I don't have a problem with Hip Hop or black men for that matter.
i have been addressing a particular aspect of the Hip Hop game that you see as art.
I'm speaking here of the constant display of raw sexuality that is just plain tired and overdone. Not to mention, psychologically speaking, screaming insecurity.
"Hey, everybody look at me and my big black penis!"
It is not innovative.
I know, I know, you say the world already fears the black penis. Whatever.
It's all part of the same continum of hate perpetuates self hate.
are you the pupil or am I?
Cookie gotcha, cuz. She's on point.
lol. hey cuz. I like Cookie. I'm going to have to bring her full circle too.
again that would put fiddy right up there with big macs, hummers and cigarettes as the latest american craze.
"come on baby, hit some of 'dis here. everybody's doin' it."
DV,
I get your point as well and I do not disagree.
I am just puzzled as to why YOU in particular find such joy and satisfaction with the man.
It seems to touch a place within YOU.
Like Jasai said, Kanye is getting much more heat, yet you concentrate on "Fiddy". Is he telling your story?
I mean, for real.
1) I like underdogs.
2) I'm aware of the buttons he pushes in people and I can see through their glorified rationalizations to hate a man they obviously fear.
3) He's a tremendous writer, generally head and shoulders above the mundane pop-psychology of his critics.
4) He's one of the 5 or 6 black people in the country who has demonstrated a deep understanding of media, propaganda and the power of suggestion.
5) I'm not some bitch ass black man afraid to give another brother props for creative genius and perseverance nor am I threatened by little weak ass gay innuendo from black women who reflexively resent black men who self-actualize.
Next question.
Since when is a multi-million dollar selling recording artist an underdog?
There are plenty of black men who demonstrate self-actualization through means that are more appealing. "Fiddy" is a product of his enviornment and he is definitely bringing his full self to the forfront. It is his perogative to do so.
Everyone is touched and/or provoked through various stimuli according to their individual character.
Fiddy's brand of "self-actualization" is obiously one that you identify with.
The issue here is not about hating on a black man.
In my book, he does not represent the fullness of the beauty and strength of character a genuinely self-actualized black man would represent. He is simply regurgitating the...
"deep understanding of media, propaganda and the power of suggestion" (in regards to the black male persona)
and manipulating it to the advantage of making dollars. That is his hustle.
Aight Cookie.
That's cool. Valid point.
Come on and scroll with me to the top. There are some other things I'd like to get your opinion on -
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