We are Afrikans!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCCzugeSPPA&feature=share
Denmark Vesey said ...
Brother Mak. School time.1) Who is "We"?
2) The cats in the video are not even "African".
3) The term "African" is a European concept applied to all people of the land mass we now call "Africa".
The black people of that continent NEVER identified themselves as "Africans" until they had been COLONIZED by Europeans.
They identified themselves by their individual group cultures, heritage and their ethnicity ... which was rich and diverse. Changing their identity to a watered down and generic "African" made them forget who they really were.
4) Changing the self-perception of Black Americans to a watered down and generic misnomer like "African-Americans" is a trick to make the black man forget his indigenous and national identity.
5) "African-Americans" have no claim to this land.
6) Changing our names to "African-Americans" was a way of robbing black people of their ancestral claim to this land. A Hoax. A Real Estate scam of biblical proportion.
7) The red "Native Americans" held onto their indigenous status and got paid off with $Billions in Casino revenue.
8) Black "Native Americans" ... tricked into a false "African" identity were paid off with a few Affirmative Action programs and some silly polyester Kinte cloth outfits.
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We are Afrikans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCCzugeSPPA&feature=share
This is right on time. I was just cooking up an article about "education." lol I gotta use that picture
I never was a fan of King Sun's flow but still his video was funny back in '80 deca.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlSZ2BPUrnQ
I found this to be a short interesting read
"AFRICA"-A GREAT AND PROBLEMATIC WORD"
http://crawfurd.dk/africa/word.htm
This is a subject I’ve been thinking about ever since a Senegalese professor told me in his estimation, that he considered “Africa” a racist word. He felt it was the grouping and categorization of independent nations using outsie terms. I argued that Europeans are grouped in the same way and he replied that’s because they have the liberty to define themselves.
Golden Age of the Moors cites that Anthropologist “ Dana Reynolds argues, Strabo (Greek historian) and other writers, speak of the area east of the Nile in Africa as 'Arabia' and the people are persistently referred to as either Arabs, Indians, or Ethiopians , just as native Americans in Central and North America are characteristically grouped under a single term as ' Indians & the indigenes of the ancient Horn, should not be called Ethiopians as they were really Arabs."
This is not about Ethiopians being Arabs, but rather Arabs, Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians being originally black. I agree with Vesey’s point. If you subscribe to “African” you then quarantine our narrative to some 18th or 19th century colonial borders. Although I believe the crux of the argument is about human origins. I don’t know if the answer, whatever it may be, is even falsifiable when you take into account the length of human existence. That is to say one can only base their position on the “oldest” something. Regardless of our geographic origins you can’t escape blackness.
The funny thing is that from jump start we already begin to authenticate Europe’s perspective of "Africa" with our reference of contemporary maps. The oldest maps depict the world the other way around. So according to the earliest traditions we are viewing maps upside down as oppose to right-side up.
[I was surprised to find it in Wikipedia. I think I posted it before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_map
Check out the part, “The psychological significance of reversed maps”]
NASA photos are purely subjective because in space there is no such thing as an “up and down” and “side-to-side.” But you know how it goes, “the winners write history.” It’s rather ironic to see an Africentric with a European upside down Africa on his shirt suggesting a “return” to how we define ourselves.
The people of Ancient KMT referred to the land south of KMT as Af-rui-ka before white people ever wrote a single letter or word.
If anything is quarantined it is the mentality of people who start their discussion of Afrika based on the Europeanization of human consciousness.
You can't escape blackness and blackness begins in Afrika!
Come on Mak.
You're reaching. Sounds like another myth of the "Church of Everything Is Africa" religion.
Let's see if you can take what you dish out:
proof?
evidence?
what book did you get that from?
What other words from ancient KMT survive in contemporary African languages?
Can you name another word that is common to all of the 1,000 African languages?
Why would the thousands of "African" tribes, dialects and sub-groups spread across deserts, jungles, & savannahs ... north, south, east and west ... ALL agree to use the word "African" to refer themselves?
Any objectification of an entire continent of people is by definition external.
Af•ri•ca
Etymology
Feminine of Africus, as a noun elliptic of terra Africa.
Africus is the adjective formed from the name of the Afri (singular Afer), a tribal people of the area near Carthage, by addition of the -icus suffix.
The Latin term is formed alongside Greek ἡ Ἀφρική, both variants being attested from the 1st century AD.
http://www.amazon.com/Before-Mayflower-History-America-Revised/dp/0140178228
Great read.
Peeped the link Cash.
Glowing reviews ... but I never got the point.
What's the thesis of this book other than the status quo "Blacks were in Africa before the Mayflower and they were slaves and that's it" story that is played over and over like a broken record.
Gee Chee!
Read the "pyschological significance of reversed maps".
interesting as hell.
How do you see that contributing to the tendency to "quarantine our narrative to some 18th or 19th century colonial borders. "'
(That's the Intellectually Aggressive Thought of The Week")
Right up your alley, DV--
A major firm that does "scientific testing" for pharmaceutical companies in their applications for FDA approval, has been caught faking and altering test results.
Figure the Doc will enjoy reading this too (or not):
http://cryptogon.com/?p=23769
Let's see if you can take what you dish out: proof? evidence? what book did you get that from?-- DV
DV asking for proof, what a joke.
I heard a scholar once say that the greatest threat to truth is not ignorance. The greatest threat to truth is those who think they know, but who have false knowledge.
Provide proof! Providing proof to DV is an exercise in futility. If DV bothered to actually READ (yeah I know, using DV and READ in the same sentence is oxymoronic) his own blog, he would know that I’ve already cited a source. I’ll repost for the non-reader.
[As expected you didn’t offer a single word to refute the scholarship of Dr. Van Sertima. Not a single word! As regards spelling Afrika with a K, we can, in the spirit of Kujichagulia define ourselves however we choose. Your knowledge of the etymology of the word Afrika is obviously limited to Eurocentric sources. Clearly, you’ve never studied the works of Gerald Massey, Cheikh Anta Diop, Ivan Van Sertima, or Charles Finch.
Massey, in 1881, derived an etymology from the Egyptian word af-rui-ka, "to turn toward the opening of the Ka." The Ka is the energetic double of every person and "opening of the Ka" refers to a womb or birthplace. Africa would be, for the Egyptians, "the birthplace." - Dr. Charles Finch
http://gerald-massey.org.uk/massey/cmc_nile_genesis.htm
The Latinized version (Africa) of the indigenous word af-rui-ka became dominant after the Romans conquered Carthage. As Dr. Wade Nobles says, “power is the ability to define reality,” particularly the reality of the conquered. For roughly 450 years the whole world has had to deal with the “Europeanization of human consciousness.” A cultural revolution is required to break the monopoly the oppressed have on the minds of the colonized.]
Makheru ...
Bra.
A link to the works of Gerald Massey does not constitute "proof" of anything.
It constitutes the opinions and research of Gerald Massey.
Truth is not found in books.
Truth is self-evident.
The indigenous original people of the earth were a black people and they were not limited to Africa.
The black people in Australia, New Guinea, Asia, North America, Central America, South America and I wouldn't be surprised to discover black people under the ice of Antarctica are evidence of the prehistoric diaspora of the original people.
Your knee-jerk emotional insistence to limit the "origin" of people to any one geographic area is anti-intellectual and a Hegelian Head fake.
Truth is not found in books. Truth is self-evident.-- DV
Or in your case, it’s whatever you pull out of your ass.
History is not an opinion. The research of historians has to stand the test of corroborating evidence. Gerald Massey was one of the foremost Egyptologists in history. If his research is corroborated by some of the most brilliant scholars of the 20th century, Cheikh Anta Diop, Ivan Van Sertima, and Charles Finch, then it meets the standards of truth by most of us who have studied the subject. You haven’t studied a damn thing, so you don’t know what is or isn’t true.
Moving on to the next subject for you to refute from the seat of your ass.
What other words from ancient KMT survive in contemporary African languages? -- DV
In “The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality,” Dr. Diop quotes J. Olumide Lucas (The Religion of the Yorubas):
“The author then cites many words common to Egyptian and Yoruba: ran: name; bu: place name; Amon: concealed; miri: water; Ha: large house; Hor: to be high; Fahaka: silvery fish; naprit: grain or seed.”
Diop (p. 179-201) also compares words from his native Wolof to the Pharaonic language, in addition to words from the Peul, the Laobe, the Toucouleur, the Serer, and the Agni. Of course, per the master of self-created knowledge, Dr. Diop, a linguist, in addition to the other subjects he mastered is just stating his opinion, with no basis in fact—lol.
"History is not an opinion." Makheru
It's not?
Bullshit.
History is a story. A narrative. It always reflects the interests of the story teller.
The "Out of Africa Only" Theory is nothing but OPINION.
1) You can name drop and kiss the asses of 100 year old 'scholars' all you want Makheru ... but you have yet to present ANY evidence to support your contention that it "is a FACT" that the indigenous people of the planet earth ALL came FROM the land mass we today call "Africa".
2) Speculation by Gerald Massey or Cheikh Anta Diop that the word "Africa" is derived from KMT is NOT proof of anything.
The entire idea is counter-intuitive.
Since when did Europeans refer to Africans by their ancient indigenous names?
The first act of colonizers is to recreate the identity of the colonized.
But Nooooooooo ... this time the European colonists were sensitive to the ancient heritage of the people they were colonizing and decided to be kind enough to use their own designation ...
BULL ...fuggin...SHIT
The word "Africa" in the context that is used today is a EUROPEAN invention.
You can name drop and talk about all these books you are reading you want ... but at the end of the day you are an over-read Afrocentric brother who still believes all black people were brought to this part of the world in the 16th and 17th centuries by white folks.
Your entire paradigm is backwards.
Take your nose out of a 'book' ... and open your eyes.
From Wikipedia:
"Churchward gave a vivid description of Mu as the home of an advanced civilization, the Naacal, which flourished between 50,000 and 12,000 years ago, was dominated by a “white race,"[8]: p. 48 and was "superior in many respects to our own" [8]: p. 17 At the time of its demise, about 12,000 years ago, Mu had 64,000,000 inhabitants and many large cities, and colonies in the other continents."
No mention of a black race.
Churchward was an archeologist and a scholar.
Like ALL archeologists and scholars his work ultimately reflected his prejudices.
He said the people were the color he wanted them to be.
Fuck Churchward.
This doesn't have anything to do with him personally.
The ancient antediluvian civilizations of the place we call "America" transcend any miscellaneous researcher lucky enough to happen upon the evidence of their existence.
LOOK AT WHAT CHURCHWARD FOUND.
Look at the messages these people sent to us.
Look at how this evidence and it's suppression completely invalidates the nonsense of Darwin and the Out of Africa Only theory.
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don't be scared of the truth.
The ancient Egyptian language is chiefly unknown because 1) it has no living transmitters to convey its meanings, 2) most cultural literary works have been lost and 3) it has no written vowels to identify exact phonetic pronunciation (which re-emphasizes point 1). Phonetic pronunciation distinguishes the phonemes in the ancient language that even Egyptologists have differed on. As a result, contemporary translations are constructed using conjecture not certainty. So anyone feigning certainty in the translation of a dead language, are exploiting the gaping holes of ambiguity.
Based on the Coptic (late Egyptian per Greek alphabet) and the proto-Semitic model (constructed using Arabic due to its preserved Semitic pedigree), Egyptologists employ a contemporary reconstruction that is not to be mistaken for authentic Egyptian as it was originally spoken. This is not an attack on the brilliance of the autodidact Gerald Massey who spent a 40year incubation period in the British Museum, but rather highlighting the realities of how languages become dead. A dead language cannot be resuscitated in the absence of transmitters and ambiguous hieroglyphic are definitely not a substituting lifeline. How could Massey possibly derive an accurate etymology of the word “Africa” based on ambiguity?
Like any other possibilities, Gerald Massy could be dead on point, but there is a difference between fact and a theory.
DV wrote:
"Fuck Churchward."
Why the hell you quote him?
"Like ALL archeologists and scholars his work ultimately reflected his prejudices."
"He said the people were the color he wanted them to be."
You no archeologist but it sounds like you doin the same thing.
"don't be scared of the truth."
NEVER SCARED BRA, NEVER SCARED
Imagine if you learned Spanish from books without any human interaction. Would a Spanish speaker be able to decode everything you say with all of your phonetic slip-ups and grammatical errors?
That is with a living language equipped with exhaustive reference material and words that are even similar in your own language.
So what of a dead language with no literary works nor living conduits to exchange with?
lol, Churchward was a masonic occult fiction writer, not an archeologist.
The ancient Egyptian language is chiefly unknown because
1) it has no living transmitters to convey its meanings,
2) most cultural literary works have been lost and
3) it has no written vowels to identify exact phonetic pronunciation (which re-emphasizes point
See Gee.
You a nice guy. And a Gentleman.
I'm working on that.
You have politely explained to Brother Makheru ... that it is impossible to state with any kind of certainty that the word "African" comes from the ancient language of KMT.
Regardless of what any particular scholar ... says ... in ... a ... book.
"This is not an attack on the brilliance of the autodidact Gerald Massey who spent a 40year incubation period in the British Museum, but rather highlighting the realities of how languages become dead." Gee Chee
Another Intellectually Aggressive Award of The Wekk
Now.
What disappoints me is that Brother Mak has failed to appreciate the fundamental absurdity of a people .. NAMING themselves ... after the land they happen to occupy.
That would be like your family ... naming themselves after the address of their home.
Instead of Mr. & Mrs. Johnson ... they would be Mr. & Mrs. Grand Ave.
No.
People do not identify themselves like that.
OTHERS identify people by the land they occupy.
The categorical generalization which is the "African" concept is inherently external.
"African" IS A COLONIAL CONCEPT.
"African-American" IS A PLANTATION CONCEPT.
johnie said...
lol, Churchward was a masonic occult fiction writer, not an archeologist.
Yeah. But he found some great artifacts proving the existence of an advanced antediluvian civilization in the land we now call the Americas.
Those artifacts still exist.
We can examine them ourselves and come to our own conclusions.
So that occult fiction writer has done more to liberate the Plantation Negros from their mental slavery and the loss of their identity than the entire Congressional Black Caucus and the First "African-American President" combined.
DV said "What's the thesis of this book other than the status quo "Blacks were in Africa before the Mayflower and they were slaves and that's it" story that is played over and over like a broken record."
That is far from what that book is about. It associates with blacks with Mesopotamia and Timbuktuu, some of the earliest and most intelligent and organized civilizations in history. Have you read that book?
So I guess your way is "if it don't fit with my MEME then its Plantation Science"? Really?
No.
I said ...
"What is the thesis of this book"?
"Associates blacks with" ...
is not particularly novel.
Actually it is a watered down version of reality.
I haven't read the book.
You recommended it.
I'm asking you ... to tell me .. what YOU find relevant about it.
Not saying it isn't relevant.
I am saying I haven't appreciated it yet and I am hoping you will enlighten me.
(To associate "blacks with Mesopotamia" is like a book "associating" blacks with Harlem)
GC, I appreciate having the opportunity to respond to a post that is intellectually challenging. There are few things I enjoy more.
I’ll deal with the easiest premise to refute first: “most cultural literary works have been lost.” I’m surprised that a person with GC’s knowledge would make that statement.
“Hundreds of thousands of documents bearing hieroglyphic inscriptions have been discovered on Egyptian soil. Some are archival notes, royal inscriptions commemorating exception events (accounts of combats and alliances, records of the construction of monumental public works, reports on voyages and expeditions, etc). The corpus also includes religious texts, prophecies, dream lore, oracular pronouncements wisdom literature, personal biographies, novels, legends, tales, treatises on mathematics, astronomy and medicine, cosmogonic and philosophical documents, written in a variety of forms and using a wide range of meida: graffiti, ostraca, letters, etc. This array of materials gives us access to knowledge of ancient Egyptian history.” – Theophile Obenga “African Philosophy: The Pharaonic Period: 2780- 330 BC” GC, if you can refute this statement by Dr. Obenga, have at it. Many of these documents are on display at various museums across the planet. Europeans stole everything they got their hands on in KMT.
“It has no written vowels to identify exact phonetic pronunciation.” –GC That statement is true regarding vowels, but it reflects a lack of understanding of the phonograms in hieroglyphic writings. I’ll deal with this is the response to the first premise: “it has no living transmitters to convey its meanings.” – GC. That is a challenge, but one which is met by the intellectual heirs of Imhotep, Ptahhotep, Ahmes, etc.
During the Old Kingdom the writing system of Ancient KMT “comprised no fewer than 700 signs.” By the reign of the Ptolemy’s the system had expanded to over 5,000 hieroglyphs. By comparison, the Chinese written language has 60,000 characters according to some Chinese dictionaries, and per numerous graduate students attempting to learn Chinese as a second, or third language, the Chinese writing system “isn’t very phonetic.” And this is a living language. The point is, how much does phonetics help when trying to convert 5,000 characters into 26 alphabets.
The writing system of Ancient KMT is comprised of ideograms and phonograms. The ideograms e.g. would be a drawing of a fish, a bird, or a house. If anyone today could speak the language of Ancient KMT and say bird, we would not know
what they said. If they wrote it, we would know it’s a bird whether we spoke English, Russian, or Chinese. Per Dr. Obenga, phonograms are “a set of more than 150 signs which taken singly or in groups, make it possible to write down phonetic equivalents of possible sound combinations used in the language of ancient Egypt.” I’m certain that the High Priest will refute this w/o ever having read a single word Dr. Obenga has written.
How could Massey possibly derive an accurate etymology of the word “Africa” based on ambiguity? – GC
Gerald Massey determined, based on his study of the ideograms and phonograms of the written language of Ancient KMT that the word “af-rui-ka” referred to the lands south of KMT, per Finch, Diop, and Van Sertima. If you have specific evidence to refute Massey’s interpretation of the word “af-rui-ka” have at it. Massey’s etymology of Afrika serves as the original and definitive analysis until proven otherwise.
Jul 29, 2011 12:22:00 PM
Gotcha. I'll put it to you this way. Its a great book. Its worth the money. It probably dedicates about 20-30 of its 500+ pages to slavery. The rest is much more legitimate.
Consider it thanks for putting me up on the Claude Brown joint. :D
Gee Chee, I'm trying to respond but my post keep disappearing.
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