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Every man in this unemployment line is wearing a shirt. Therefore the wearing of shorts causes unemployment.
Are shirts still relevant?
dmg are you saying schools have nothing to do with jobs?
I'm saying, our hosts hypothesis that compulsory education and further university education is irrelevant is absurd.
Interesting Doc.
Share with us what is "relevant" about "compulsory education"?
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I can't think of anything that makes "compulsory" education relevant.
That is a fascinating supposition.
Please ... elaborate.
You do this every single time. You brought up the subject, you prove it's irrelevant. You know how this works.
My first post illustrates your (il)logic. You know very well why people are unemployed these days. The fact remains that someone with a university education will make more over the course of their career more than one with a high school education or less.
Your drop out of school mantra was tired a year ago.
lol.
Calm down D.
1) "My first post illustrates your (il)logic. " DMG
How so?
Schools prepare young people for jobs that no longer exist.
2)"you know very well why people are unemployed these days." DMG
Why?
3) "The fact remains that someone with a university education will make more over the course of their career more than one with a high school education or less. " DMG
Doc ...
Is that really ... really ... a "fact"?
Think about that again.
4) "Your drop out of school mantra was tired a year ago." DMG
You didn't understand it then.
You obviously don't understand it now.
You might get it when a white boy writes it in the Times.
Oh!
Almost forgot Doc.
Share with us what is "relevant" about "compulsory education"?
I'm really looking forward to understanding that bit of wisdom.
Thanks in advance!
These jobs aren't open to high school drop outs:
Electrical Engineer
Finance Director
Cardiothoracic Surgeon
All require at the very least a undergraduate university education, most likely a graduate degree, the latter an additional 7 years of training.
However, if it came down to it the people eligible for the positions I've listed above could still take a job as a janitor, waitress, day laborer, call center employee, etc. They wouldn't like it, but they could. The high school drop out? Far, far fewer options. They can't even enlist in the military without an GED, or a stack of waivers.
By the way, how long would it take your average high school drop out to develop something like say the iPhone 4, or Blackberry, or whatever that's sitting on your desk, without aid of high school, university and probably graduate level education?
By the way, how long would it take your average high school drop out to develop something like say the iPhone 4, or Blackberry, or whatever that's sitting on your desk, without aid of high school, university and probably graduate level education?
Very good point. Also to disagree that a degree increases your chances for earning more money is ridiculous when most higher paying positions REQUIRE degrees. That's not to say an individual's earning power is set in stone if he doesn't, its about increasing their chances. (e.g. Cigarettes do not guarantee lung cancer, but they increase the chances of it).
Obviously Black History has become "cliche" or something not to be taken seriously....Booker T. Washington was one of the "true educators" who insisted on technical skills being developed on a mass scale which leads more to doing for selves than the so called modern day compulsory 4 yr college "bullshit" (what an illusion) and I am willing to bet that those of you with children or still clinging to this " I hope my kid gets into an "IVY LEAGUE" concentration camp so you can go brag to your colleagues"...this only leads to further hegelian thinking deceptions....Change only comes when changes are made...Technical schools and I am not talking about emptying bed pans and other "so-called medical/legal skills these fake ass for profit universities" as promoted by the brainwashing media...but true life skills..building homes and businesses...electricians..plumbers...engineers...etc. etc... where some great money can be made and empowerment can be acheived..this 4yr college.. owe a mugfuggah an arm and a leg when you fininsh memorizing shit is comedy at its best.
Dr. Love,
Maybe I don't get where you are coming from because enjoyed what my University had to offer, and the amount of debt I incurred from undergrad was negligible.
Which university did you attend, and what courses did you take? I ask, because I'm curious why you have such negative feelings toward a University education.
Most of the professors I had were also mentioned in the textbooks we read, one was a Nobel Prize winner in Medicine or Physiology. Learning concepts from brilliant minds who are also fantastic teachers is something to look forward to.
Who wouldn't want their kid to have the option of attending Stanford, MIT, University of Chicago, Northwestern, University of California, Columbia? I don't really care where my son goes, I don't want his options to be limited.
The resources and opportunities available at those schools outweigh Kansas State or Texas-Southern, or DeVry or some technical school by far. Why do you think University is nothing but "memorizing" meaningless information? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.
If you want your kid to be a plumber, or electrician, there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe that's what he's best suited to do. However, if your kid has the potential to be an Astrophysicist, and you discourage him to pursue that course of study, in favor of becoming some tradesman, you are the one who is wrong.
Dr. Love, you are thinking too small. Maybe you are content with having your little corner in the black community, but I'm not. There's an entire planet, I I want access to every inch of it. And I'll bet you, that I'll have more tools at my disposal with my educational background than some kid who couldn't be bothered with finishing the 11th grade.
Last I remember, Engineering was a degree program.
Its amazing how fashionable it is for all you liberal arts degree holders or Business Administration degree holders to degrade a college education.
However, the knowledge attained from agricultural, biology or chemistry degrees is not something easily attained without universities.
Cash Rulz. You couldn't be more wrong.
The greatest minds of this nation were not the products of compulsory education. Most never went to "school".
From Jefferson to Benjamin Franklin to Banneker to Lincoln to Douglas to Booker to Elijah, to Marcus, to Malcolm, to Edison, to the heads of Apple, Microsoft, Dell, Whole Foods, Container Store, Virgin Air the list goes on.
Schools DO NOT cultivate genius.
Schools are DESIGNED to cultivate conformists.
Every 17 year old drug dealer I have ever met has been far more intelligent, creative, effective and better educated than any 17 year old "A" student.
Why?
He is engaged in an environment that actually fosters learning.
School teaches memorization and obedience.
Cash Rulz,
You are absolutely correct. Engineering is a degree program.
I have no idea where he gets this "school teaches memorization and obedience". If you check this blog, he often is on the losing side of arguments. Maybe he wasn't satisfied with HIS education. But like anything, you get out of any endeavor the amount of effort you put in. Maybe he spent his time chasing skirts and doing the minimum rather than learning? Don't know, don't care.
Also, if you notice he never stands up when he's challenged (I've got two outstanding challenges to him in the last week, and still waiting).
The host just mouths off and never sticks around long enough to back up his point.
It's not even worth fighting over.
College Degree is not the ticket to a good paying job. People keep leaving out that the average cost of a degree is almost $100K after 4 years of college, even at state schools now that govn't subsidies are decreasing.
Unless, you get a free ride to college, you come out of school with a ton of debt and usually your first post-college job does not pay enough to pay off student loans in 1 year -- This is why Sallie Mae is harassing a ton of ppl now. This is why students are going bankrupt b/f even beginning their careers.
The question is what type of high school drop-out makes money. Those that do not hustle obviously will not make money, but obviously some ppl who never went to college, but have full-time jobs, are making a lot more money than someone who did, b/c they don't have the student loan debt.
Major H,
Not to quibble but the debt load for a 4-year university degree is not $100k. It's closer to $15,000-22,000. Here is a nice article.
And if you haven't been in college for awhile, there are income contingent ways to pay back your debt.
So your post is more fear mongering than fact.
University education is NOT a job training program. I don't understand why you all are insisting that it is. The goals of Stanford and DeVry are vastly different. I see Stanford as providing an advanced set of tools.
The Stanford graduate has more tools than the drop-out...and far more connection.
DV, why are there no high school drop-outs in this line? After all 69% of Black male high school drop-outs in their 20s are unemployed.
Good question Brother Makheru.
I'll give it some thought.
But, out of curiosity.
Where are the the Black males in their 20's, who did not drop out of high school ... employed?
couple of examples?
I'm very curious.
Where does a 20 year old black high school graduate in Raleigh North Carolina get a job?
Where does a 25 year old black graduate of North Carolina A&T ... with a degree in Political Science ... get a "job"?
You seem almost religious in your zeal to prove high school diplomas and college attendance is some sort of indicator of future success.
Where do you see evidence of this success Makheru?
I spoke to a brother the other day.
Says he taught for several years at Jackson State.
Says he was teaching black college students who could not write on a 6th grade level.
High School graduates like a muhfuggah.
Accepted and enrolled in college.
Can't write.
...
The products of this school you treat like a temple.
Why are so committed to a broken institution?
My two on this...
People get the education they deserve.
HS, Univ, Col, need to be thought of as insurance policies, risk mitigation techniques both from the students and the employers perspectives. Could you train a doctor to perform surgery outside of one of these institutions? Sure, was Lincoln a self taught lawyer, yep. Are some of the greatest engineers and scientists autodidacts, certainly.
But the marketplace needs these institutions, and same with the general student body. Let those strong enough to learn outside of these streams do so, let them fight the battles inherent with this in our society as a non-degree holder.
I am a one of those without a HS diploma or GED, it's not for everyone, same with the amount of dedication and acumen required to receive a high degree.
I ate shit, still do, I don't have F U money, but I am comfortable.
But here I am in Hawai'i drinking ginger colada's, reading my DV.net, chilling. Life is good, and I would say it would be harder for me to conform, than to go my own way.
One thing I would love to see is a full curriculum on par with "ivy league" educations available online in all fields, with the best educators mentoring students through the programs available to any citizen at any time in their lives for free. Then there should be commonly accepted tests/achievement milestones open to anyone at anytime to and grade themselves with, and determine where they stand, if their recognized accomplishments are sufficient to thusly receive accreditation outside of the institutional environments, then maybe in combination of that and a vow from a mentor for their skill they can then receive a trade degree or degree/certifications from the state - for those that need to see one for peace of mind. For those that can live without the tests and accreditation, they can simply compete solely on merit, reputation, skill, savvy, etc.
What is dangerous is imprisoning parents if students do not attend a state institution. It should be a sovereign right to utilize the system or not. If you choose not to enter the system, you do no pay into it, and you do not benefit from it.
SOLEYO
@ SoloInto - "People get the education they deserve."
Exactly.
If an education can be thought of as insurance - our current system is just minimum coverage.
(I went to school (okay, on vacation) in Laie on Oahu. I had to go back to Cali as often as possible. But yeah... Hawaii is nice.)
"HS, Univ, Col, need to be thought of as insurance policies, risk mitigation techniques both from the students and the employers perspectives.
I don't see how you can equate education with an insurance policy. Maybe you could expound on this?
"Could you train a doctor to perform surgery outside of one of these institutions? Sure, was Lincoln a self taught lawyer, yep."
No. You cannot train a physician to perform surgery outside of a formal training program. Period. The days of the Barber-surgeon of the 16th century are long gone. Give me an example. You make statements without any proof to back them up. That's one of the main problems I have with this blog, and it's owner.
"Are some of the greatest engineers and scientists autodidacts, certainly"
Name a few modern engineers and scientists of note.
"One thing I would love to see is a full curriculum on par with "ivy league" educations available online in all fields...".
The problem with this idea is that a University education is far more than passively sitting in lecture halls. Online education has its merits, and I think some fields are suited to be partially taught in this medium, but you couldn't teach science, engineering, medicine, or anything that requires hands on. Also, you aren't going to get the best educators to sit in front of a camera teaching people for free...or do you mean some sort of taxpayer subsidized program?
The part about grading themselves I don't think would work well at all...and I'm not even talking about cheating. There needs to be an unbiased and stringent test of a students fund of knowledge for the course of study to be worth anything, otherwise you have a diploma mill.
Auditing classes for self interest is encouraged. But if you want a degree that is a statement that you've taken a rigorous course of study and mastered the material, there has to be some level of true assessment.
@DV: Education and entrepreneurial spirit are not one and the same. There are many uneducated individuals with entrepreneurial spirit. The rap world and "the block" is proof of that. Even in the secular world many that have started their own businesses either did not finish college or didn't go. However, I find it interesting that mostly all of them, when they go on to write books suggest getting a formal education. Not everyone is a leader. Not everyone is going to start their own company. Some people are workers. Some are born to be proletarian. However, an education can help them in certain areas. Its knowledge that might prove useful. And in alot of people's situation its a case of "i'd rather have it (education) and not need it, than need it and not have it".
Schools supply the information, not the motivation. This applies to EVERYONE. Having the education doesn't guarantee that you will push yourself to achieve anything. But the reality is their are individuals with degrees who don't have jobs and individuals without degrees who don't have jobs. NONE OF US HERE can provide any real reason why. Because its all about the individual.
"There are many uneducated individuals with entrepreneurial spirit. The rap world and "the block" is proof of that." Cash Rulz
I see that a bit differently Cash.
I think entrepreneurial success is a better indication of genuine "education" ... than a man with a degree and a job.
I have met Slim of Cash Money records, for example.
Never finished high school.
I found him better educated than my friends who finished Harvard Business School.
(And no. Not just "in business". These cats were more worldly, more interesting, funnier, better taste, wittier and had badder bitches)
Them Harvard Negros clinging to $500K jobs on Wall Street and scared of their bosses.
Shit. I don't think Ken Chenault of American Express & Harvard Law is "better educated" than Jay-Z with his GED.
Deep down inside most Americans still equate "school" with education.
Maybe 5% of the people who finish college are "educated".
I don't disagree at all. And I shouldn't have used "uneducated" as opposed to saying people without college degrees.
However, for every Slim, there's thousands of 50 Cal's (a cat that raps that's from those same projects Slim and Baby are from). For every Jay there's thousands of Lil Dice (a dude from Marcy). It may seem like the hood breeds "go getters" and "hustlers' but that's most people doing what's easy for the sake of doing what's easy. Learning computers is hard. Learning geometry is hard. And most niggas from the block don't want to apply the energy to learning it when its easier for them to do the math that $125 worth of weed can make you $300 if you flip it right. Sorry, I'm from the block and while we can have an extensive talk about the backwards effects of the penal system, the truth is, most of my boys were just too lazy to do what was necessary to apply themselves to learn anything about a 6th grade level.
I'm all for using your intelligence in a productive way to get money with or without education, but I'm not going to say that the "hood" perpetuates or creates entrepenuers. It works for some, but that same case can be argued for those that get an education as well.
@ DMG
It would be a full time job to keep up with your need for qualification.
I would challenge you to name one great scientist or engineer that was not an autodidact.
Why do you waste my time with absurd challenges? Do you really want my approval so badly?
DMG you are straight homo
I would pass you the rock but you
playing the game in slomo
high ideals? more like high heels I bet you're the main appeal at the showboat
your attitude is drab, the only thing you're good at is killing babies in a lab
playa I am balling, why you trying to be my dad?
you on DV.net 24/7 don't your wife need a stab? you're lil boy need a man, homie you make me sad
stay off my radar and I'll let your flight land, sorry I am light headed this hunny is just so bad
told me she wants me off the blog so she can do a hand stand on black baby grand
you rocky horror picture show jerkin to lil boys videos
playa i gave you a chance
Its Solo bro, not homo, stop trying to hold my hand.
Go to bed pops.
And there's the rhyme...AND the homosexual reference.
You know seeking another mans attention, begging me to notice you...you are damn near flirting. Thanks for the offer, but I don't swing that way, and have a someone far prettier getting out of the shower as I type.
You are in Hawaii? I hear if you speak Japanese, and have a blond wig, I'm SURE you can find company rather quickly. (Oh SORO!!) Good luck, a life partner will come along...maybe even one who likes your lame ass rhymes.
Best of luck, I'm sure it's hard being solo....sorry soro.
College means much more than just 'finding a good job.' I am in college to learn and grow as an individual. Call me crazy but my education is not just based on getting good grades and a diploma. Everything I learn I translate into my personal life.
I have a good job now while I am in school. You take internships, do volunteer work. If you're just relying on a piece of paper to get you passed the unemployment line you've been tricked. Doesn't work that way anymore. Students today are realizing this and we are more strategic than the older generation.
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