Thursday, December 02, 2010

Brown v. Board of Education Set Black People Back 50 Years


16 comments:

uglyblackjohn said...

It wasn't Brown v. but what was done with it.
Brown just granted access not results.
Too many assumed that they had "Made it" just because they could sit next to a white kid instead of knowing that they should be beating that same kid in everything.

Denmark Vesey said...

It was Brown UBJ.

Brown ... was the bait placed in the social engineering trap.

Brown was a Psy Ops stunt pulled on black people.

It's called "The Negative Takeaway"

You pretend to "deny" something to people that you ultimately want them to have.

See. Just like there were "Negro" baseball leagues.

There was once a "Negro" school system run by black educators, black teachers, black parents, black churches, black men, black women. Black Black Blackety Black.

We had our own schools. Our own teachers. Our own CURRICULUM.

The Plantation wanted to completely control 'educational process' of the lower classes.

How did they do it?

Hegelian Headfake.

They created an "issue".

"Desgregation".

Black people were not worried about no damn "Desegregation" until certain Liberal whites gassed up and financed a handful of Plantation Negro busy bodies who peddled the Civil Rights Narrative that black empowerment could be achieved via social engineering stunts like Forced Integration.

After a few years of propaganda ... Black people abandoned their own school systems and reported like sheep to Plantation schools and a curriculum of mind control.

55 years later black people are less educated than they were before Brown v Board.

If the Plantation had come straight out and said "You can't have your own schools anymore! You MUST send your kids to white schools!!!"

Negros would have rioted.

Tell them they CAN'T attend .... they will riot in the streets "demanding" the right to attend.

CNu said...

Uncle John, the above is how things work in ahistorical stoopid land.

Jiggaboo Jones has to discount a whole host of factors relating to the apartheid administration of school districts which included segregated schools - and - a whole host of encompassing social and demographic factors leading to the demise of neighborhoods and neighborhood schools as communities of interest - in order to perpetrate the simple-minded nonsense he's peddling above.

An absolute list of factors leading to the demise of resource and facilities deprived negro schools - which nevertheless had the very best teachers that the negro community could provide, superb order and discipline in the schools themselves, and a sense of identity and community unparalleled to this day - would be the loss of the very best teachers.

The civil rights movement and affirmative action opened the formerly tightly closed doors of white-collar corporate employment to negros who formerly could only aspire to be doctors, lawyers, undertakers, preachers, and TEACHERS.

When those superb men and women began their exodus from the ranks of teaching, the formerly human resource rich - but asset and facilities deprived - negro schools began their inevitable implosion into what you now witness today.

So also the formerly canonically segregated neighborhoods, after the Fair Housing Act after which professional and managerial class negros left formerly segregated neighborhoods in droves leaving nothing in the `hood but folks who lacked the wherewithal to move up and out themselves.

ed said...

This Brown/Negro school stuff does not address the issue at hand concerning 21st education and competitiveness.

If you look at the tech sector I'm working in, even through the web, you will see collaborative education in real-time. We in the tech industry are sharing information among each other on how to accomplish stuff in a peer-to-peer fashion. This type of learning is discourage in American schools where they are trying to focus on individual aptitude.

This is how Brazil, Russia, India and China is coming up fast and taking over because they are collaborating knowledge and applying in a mass productive effect.

India rose up to the point where they now own British Range Rover and Jaguar and our Black asses still trying to get a sign-and-drive lease on a Cadillac...

Constructive Feedback said...

Brother DV:

I can't agree with you.

The flaw was that this IMPORTANT first step as we matriculated out of the mindset that was cast upon us from SLAVERY was not transitioned into ORGANIC COMPETENCY DEVELOPMENT by making sure that our schools were first class education and consciousness building centers after the STRUGGLE for favorable people to take them over.

We now have "favorable people" in the administrative seats but some negroes STILL believe that we need to get WHITE STUDENTS to sit next to us for QUALITY EDUCATION to be expressed to Black kids.

THIS is the problem DV.

Integration used to be about being DENIED access to a school when you met the residency requirements.

Today it has been hijacked by the unconscious who believe that we need to sit next to someone else for US to receive a good education.

The Black Inferiorists have taken too much power. They need to be put out of earshot of our consciousness.

CNu said...

This is how Brazil, Russia, India and China is coming up fast and taking over because they are collaborating knowledge and applying in a mass productive effect.

C'mon Ed.

Brazil and Russia are resource rich with state-owned central banks. Neither one is emerging as a "human-resource" powerhouse.

China and India have pools of a billion plus to draw upon, and have harnessed these vast pools and crushing poverty as against the race to provide expensive services very, very cheaply.

Neither China or India has any form of peer-to-peer information exchange such as the one you're describing, rather, they have draconian, darwinian competitive struggles underway that are propelling the best and brightest out of crushing poverty into a crack at a little dopamine consumption satisfaction.

You should read the Indian dailies to see the extent of bitter disenchantment with the lack of a level playing field in sheer access to education resources.

Where India and China are succeeding overall is where they're emulating the best of what the pre-segregation negro schools formerly did, aided and abetted by the fact that teachers are still competent to teach, and, good order and discipline are maintained in the schools because education is so very highly valued.

The open-source collaboration and culture of which you speak is still very much an open-source cultural phenomenon confined to folk who understand and value the power of collaboration in the furtherance of technological capability.

Denmark Vesey said...

"This Brown/Negro school stuff does not address the issue at hand concerning 21st education and competitiveness. " Ed


Actually Ed, Brown v Board addresses the issue of 21st Century Competitiveness perfectly.

Brown v Board is a symbol.

What does it symbolize?

It symbolizes a mistake made in the 20th Century by Negros who were tricked into believing the government was 1) capable of educating their children and 2) had any intention to educate their children.

The goal of those who designed Compulsory Education for the masses .... was NOT to educate them.

The objective of Compulsory State Run Education was not to educated ... but to CONTROL.

Do ya'll get that?

I mean ... Cpt. Pork Chop posted 456 words of rambling mindless disconnected facts in 2 different posts, without ever addressing the operative point of the piece.

Brother Ed, you mention the value of collaborative education in real time. You say you experience it now in the tech sector.

OK.

Why is the government any more capable of educating in that environment than are you?

WE DON'T NEED THE GOVERNMENT to do that.

The government PREVENTS that type of education.

To VALUE BROWN v BOARD ... is to have faith in the Plantation.

56 years after Brown ... are Negros educated?

No.

Black people will never be educated as long as we remain faithful to the religious mythology of state run education.

Fuck Brown v. Board of education.

Fuck fat jealous pork eatin' Negros who are just negative for the sake of being negative.

EDUCATE PRIVATELY.

It's the only way to get it done.

Denmark Vesey said...

"The flaw was that this IMPORTANT first step as we matriculated out of the mindset that was cast upon us from SLAVERY was not transitioned into ORGANIC COMPETENCY DEVELOPMENT by making sure that our schools were first class education and consciousness building centers after the STRUGGLE for favorable people to take them over." CF

CF ...

Bra.

If I may.

You prove my point.

Handing the responsibility of education over to the government IN THE FIRST MOTHERFUCKING PLACE ... ensures ... that our children would not get a first class (think about it) education or have their "consciousness built".

Where in the history of mankind has a government ever "built consciousness"?

Fuck Brown v. Board.

Ya'll cats must get beyond that knee-jerk civil rights sentimental bullshit.

It set us back 50 years.

Elijah and Garvey were right.

What kind of people send their children to be educated by their oppressors?

CNu said...

I mean ... Cpt. Pork Chop posted 456 words of rambling mindless disconnected facts in 2 different posts, without ever addressing the operative point of the piece.

The "operative point" was so ignorant of facts and erroneous as to be unworthy of address.

Negros in the 20th century wanted their fair share of the local property tax base directed toward the facilities and resources assigned to them by their school districts - period.

The forces that undermined the quality of formerly segregated negro schools had nothing whatsoever to do with the institution of school itself, rather, it had everything to do with the opportunities that came available to professional and managerial class negros formerly narrowly constrained to the teaching profession - once those negros left the schools - the quality of those schools declined precipitously.

ed said...

Cnu,

I wanted to clarify when I meant these countries - I'm referring to their people as a Diaspora and their collaborative learning to advance. The Diaspora of these BRIC nations are indeed moving faster than their government in terms of economic development.

Last night, I was on the phone with Indians over a tech issue. Notice I said plural form of Indians with over a half dozen names in the CC list, some of them I never heard before. I notice this pattern a lot. All of these people are in the conversation and collaborating on a solution and they get one churned out.

However, here in America, I get a bunch of people emailing me as one person who suppose to figure it all out and I'm either pressured to be superman or look like an incompetent failure. Keep in mind that I'm not expected to have half a dozen people working out a solution assigned to me.

This American "hero" mentality instead of group collaboration is the result of our education system that tries to focus on individualism instead of distributed knowledge and information. Our standardized test and all that other stuff focus on individuals.

When the BRIC people migrate and set up companies and I seen this myself - they are explicitly sharing information in an "open source" manner and they are productive. We here in America are looking/judging each other and can't come together and all I'm saying is I can tell how this one 21st century global domination or world economies is going to turn out.

ed said...

"Brown v Board is a symbol."

DV, that's the best way to describe it. It was a symbol of assimilation through legislated validation and acceptance of Blacks from Whites, not of empowerment and progress.

Ha, ha..I get to go to your White school and I'm the first Black of my generation to attend..ooooh!!

We have to accept the African-American community failed to look at how we should approach education should work for us and teach ourselves instead of focus on winning the right to assimilate.

I find it funny when I see gangs and corner dealers collaborate and they build empires and networks while some educated job is sitting in a cubicle with a salary waiting for an individual annual review. On that note, I don't believe they have individual reviews in BRIC countries with dozens of people collaborating on competitive solutions.

CNu said...

I see what you mean now Ed, and must concede the point. Thanks for clarifying.

That is consistent with my experience of these companies, as well.

Admission into these companies, however, is on the basis of an extremely harsh and utterly individualistic Darwinian threshing floor in schools, which schools are themselves very often not exactly meritocratic in terms of admissions or administration.

Beyond this, there is also the social threshing floor very vigorously enforced - which enforcement also takes place in schools which in large measure serve exactly that purpose, i.e., social filtering systems.

So I guess my follow-on question to you would be - do you suppose that the type of collaborative, open-source culture you see exhibited within these BRIC companies is only possible to a very elite class of participant?

Whether you admit it or not, (and you know it's true) you belong to a very elite class of self-selected, self-motivated individual who seeks novelty and challenge like very few others.

Your ability to participate in any of these contexts is as you know, quite rare. How many cats have you personally been able to break into the game, as you know it and play it - and how many cats like yourself do you know and interoperate with routinely here in the U.S.?

I can count three Black elders who are always trying to hook younger cats up, and most of my peer associations are through the Learning Center which is the local alumni chapter of one elder's unique efforts to make more in his own image. To the very best of my knowledge, the Learning Center is unique in the U.S. at this time.

CNu said...

I find it funny when I see gangs and corner dealers collaborate and they build empires and networks

I do too. Which is precisely why so many of them are in jail or permanently tied up in the criminal judicial system that they have no prospect of ever freely operating in the civilian world.

Most of those cats will simply be exterminated before very long because they constitute and unfunded liability.

They never jelled like Mafia, never preserved their own neighborhoods, and instead simply preyed upon the weakest and most vulnerable in their own communities while themselves being preyed upon by keystone cops who couldn't find a more productive and constructive place for themselves in society.

To extol these epic failed ass-clowns like they were Mexican or Columbian gangsters waging civil war against the elites within their own nation states is ridiculous on the face of it.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Brown v Board is a symbol."

DV, that's the best way to describe it. It was a symbol of assimilation through legislated validation and acceptance of Blacks from Whites, not of empowerment and progress.

Ha, ha..I get to go to your White school and I'm the first Black of my generation to attend..ooooh!!

We have to accept the African-American community failed to look at how we should approach education should work for us and teach ourselves instead of focus on winning the right to assimilate." Ed


Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

Thank you Ed. Glad to hear a brother acknowledge the obvious regarding the driving motivation behind the perverse Plantation Negro need to assimilate for the sake of assimilation.

Which is the essence of the so-called 'Civil Rights Movement'.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Most of those cats will simply be exterminated before very long because they constitute and unfunded liability."


Yup.

Many of them will be "exterminated".

Right along side their chubby 'educated' conformist counterparts who will fall victims to engineered obesity and genetically altered food.

Bullet to the head or hardening arteries.

All the same to the Plantation.

Not sayin' no names CNu.

CNu said...

lol,

jiggaboo puh-leeze.....,

anything beats falling victim to the unsustainable fashionista hobby enthusiasm of Mrs. Vesey and her hollyweird veegan/raw fad diet.

you leisure class ladies enjoy knocking yourselves out with those pond scum schmoovies and protein packed seeds bursting in your mouths - me and the homeys gonna keep enjoying that succulent rat/cat/dog slow roasted and smoked until the meat just falls off the bone, piled high on white bread, and liberally doused with a hot, spicy, vinegary sauce that makes your whole head sweat when you eat it....,