Yes, you are right many of the rituals of Christmas are "pagan" in origin. If you all were really celebrating the birth of the Bibles Christ, you'd be doing so sometime in April. I've always found it funny that everyone got so excited about December 25 when Christians own holy book leads you to a completely different date.
But really, who cares? "Christianity" was forced upon alot of cultures, and their own traditions obviously bleed through.
Stop. Seriously. I'm going to give you another go. I'm going to pretend that I didn't see your last post. That's one of your weaker retorts. You can do better than that. Can't you?
There is nothing in which deduction is so necessary as in religion'. (The Naval Treaty) "
"The word 'religion' comes from the same root as the word 'ligament.' Ligaments connect muscles to bones. So the root word means, 'to connect, to bind, to tie together.' 10 "Religion' literally means, 'continuously tying it all together.' Is it not therefore, an obvious deduction that that which is supposed to help us tie it all together should not be used to tear us apart?"
"In The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran, 11 Almustafa, a wise and gentle teacher is about to leave the city where he has lived for twelve years and return home. The people of the city gather and ask his final advice on many topics: Love, Marriage, Giving, Joy and Sorrow, and a number of others. Near the end, a priest asks him to speak of Religion; he says, 'Have I spoken this day of aught else? Is not religion all deeds and all reflection…?' Or to phrase it less poetically, '"all actions and all thought',"
"If we use this idea, we can further define 'religion' as: 'the psychological process which continuously reconnects what we know and what we believe to our thoughts and actions.' This definition is neutral; it does not differentiate between good and bad. It is up to us to make our religion good."-Bruce D. Aikin
Religion: c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life" (5c.); according to Cicero, derived from relegare "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. Meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300.
To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name. [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]
Modern sense of "recognition of, obedience to, and worship of a higher, unseen power" is from 1530s.
Aqeeda: Arabic for belief. From the root word, aqida which means to bind.
Yes, you are right many of the rituals of Christmas are "pagan" in origin. If you all were really celebrating the birth of the Bibles Christ, you'd be doing so sometime in April. I've always found it funny that everyone got so excited about December 25 when Christians own holy book leads you to a completely different date.-DMG
DV,
This cat is running off at the mouth again and if Quactor only knew that 9/11 is Christ Bday, Noah's Bday, Adam's Bday(The Birth of YT) and the day Noah also supposedly let the dove off the ark and saw land, he would get all the symbology behind the so called " pagan" manipulation.
Anyone who have studied Hebrew and astro -theology could have figured this out.
They play checkers you play chess.
Many biblical scholars, theologians,historians, and astronomers say that the Star of Bethlehem, signifying the birth of Jesus Christ, can be calculated to within a few hours of September 11, 3 B.C., based on celestial charts and alignments for that time. Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first article on the subject appeared in 1976, and in 1981 he published his research in "The Birth of Christ Recalculated". In 1991, the book was re-released as "The Star that Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed in his book, that the signs in the sky on the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between 6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST.
You read the Gospel of Barnabas? It states in a footnote the date was "shortly before October" I believe, but didn't get as specific as what you've posted. I've heard September from other sources. I'll have to dig the book out and post it later...Good info though.
"Angels announce to the shepherds the birth of Jesus, and they, after having found him, announce him. According to the Talmud, the flocks were put out to graze in March and brought in again the beginning of November, so that this event must have occured at some point during this eight month period. Scientific investigation of weather in this area of the world, which has not changed significanty in 2000 years has demonstrated the wisdom of this practice. The December 25th birth date derived from paganism, is fictional, and was not used until the fourth century onward."
"Three magi are led by a star in the east of Judaea, and, finding Jesus, make obeisance to him and gifts. This name 'magi' originally applied to the priest caste among the Medes, it was later applied to other eastern men held to be wise. At this time astronomoy and astrology were intertwined, and the chief interest of the magi. Residing east of Judea, to the magi the start would appear in the west. Evidence from the ancient observatory at Sippar in Babylonia, shows that on May 29, 7 B.C. in the morning sky, for at least two hours, the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the constellation of Pisces occurred giving the appearance of a large brilliant star. Sipar was advanced enough to calculate the second conjuction on October 3, and the last one on December 4. The grazing practices of the shepherds in conjunction with the evidence from Sippar, indicates that Jesus was born shortly before October 3rd."
Hmmm...well September 11th is defintely closer to October 3rd than December 25th is, and after reading what Wax has presented, I started thinking about this:
9/11 as we know it now, since 2001, represents this constant "war" between Christianity and Islam, or at least that's what we're led to believe. And now that it's been presented that 9/11 was the actual birthdate of Jesus, it's safe to say that this date could have been chosen in particular to symbolically represent Christianity's "rising up" against Islam, as we see these two ideologies head to head against each other in everything from the attack itself, to this nonsense of a mosque at ground zero and the act of burning Korans in the opposition of it.
Straight up mind control like a motherfucker...Divide and Conquer at it's best.
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13 comments:
Yes, you are right many of the rituals of Christmas are "pagan" in origin. If you all were really celebrating the birth of the Bibles Christ, you'd be doing so sometime in April. I've always found it funny that everyone got so excited about December 25 when Christians own holy book leads you to a completely different date.
But really, who cares? "Christianity" was forced upon alot of cultures, and their own traditions obviously bleed through.
Religion is all smoke and mirrors anyway.
Religion is all smoke and mirrors anyway." DMG
Yup.
Absolutely.
Even the religion of Plantation Medicine.
Smoke.
Mirrors.
Vaccines.
Drugs.
Lies.
Money.
Again, you need to review the definitions of science and religion.
...perhaps even the word antithesis.
Who said anything about science?
...
...
?
See what I mean.
The fact that your eyes read "Plantation Medicine" and your mind thinks "science" is evidence of how them white boys got your head all jacked up Doc.
You actually confuse the corporations you slang drugs for with the embodiment of "science" itself.
Doc.
You are as "religious" as a Jehovah's Witness.
Stop. Seriously. I'm going to give you another go. I'm going to pretend that I didn't see your last post. That's one of your weaker retorts. You can do better than that. Can't you?
Try again.
There is nothing in which deduction is so necessary as in religion'. (The Naval Treaty) "
"The word 'religion' comes from the same root as the word 'ligament.' Ligaments connect muscles to bones. So the root word means, 'to connect, to bind, to tie together.' 10 "Religion' literally means, 'continuously tying it all together.' Is it not therefore, an obvious deduction that that which is supposed to help us tie it all together should not be used to tear us apart?"
"In The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran, 11 Almustafa, a wise and gentle teacher is about to leave the city where he has lived for twelve years and return home. The people of the city gather and ask his final advice on many topics: Love, Marriage, Giving, Joy and Sorrow, and a number of others. Near the end, a priest asks him to speak of Religion; he says, 'Have I spoken this day of aught else? Is not religion all deeds and all reflection…?' Or to phrase it less poetically, '"all actions and all thought',"
"If we use this idea, we can further define 'religion' as: 'the psychological process which continuously reconnects what we know and what we believe to our thoughts and actions.' This definition is neutral; it does not differentiate between good and bad. It is up to us to make our religion good."-Bruce D. Aikin
Religion: c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life" (5c.); according to Cicero, derived from relegare "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. Meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300.
To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name. [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]
Modern sense of "recognition of, obedience to, and worship of a higher, unseen power" is from 1530s.
Aqeeda: Arabic for belief. From the root word, aqida which means to bind.
The fact that your eyes read "Plantation Medicine" and your mind thinks "science" is evidence of how them white boys got your head all jacked up Doc.
exactly!!!! dmg medicine is business. It is not science! Your blind devotion to that industry is based solely on faith.
Anonymous,
You seem like the type to believe what you want to believe, so why waste time on someone who is too afraid to even choose a name?
Gee-Chee,
OK I haven't checked your etymology examples, but are you going to compare the definitions of science and religion?
Yes, you are right many of the rituals of Christmas are "pagan" in origin. If you all were really celebrating the birth of the Bibles Christ, you'd be doing so sometime in April. I've always found it funny that everyone got so excited about December 25 when Christians own holy book leads you to a completely different date.-DMG
DV,
This cat is running off at the mouth again and if Quactor only knew that 9/11 is Christ Bday, Noah's Bday, Adam's Bday(The Birth of YT) and the day Noah also supposedly let the dove off the ark and saw land, he would get all the symbology behind the so called " pagan" manipulation.
Sept. 11th 3.BC Bra!
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=September+11th,+3+BC&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Anyone who have studied Hebrew and astro -theology could have figured this out.
They play checkers you play chess.
Many biblical scholars, theologians,historians, and astronomers say that the Star of Bethlehem, signifying the birth of Jesus Christ, can be calculated to within a few hours of September 11, 3 B.C., based on celestial charts and alignments for that time. Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first article on the subject appeared in 1976, and in 1981 he published his research in "The Birth of Christ Recalculated". In 1991, the book was re-released as "The Star that Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed in his book, that the signs in the sky on the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between 6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST.
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
April!??-Negro Please.
Wax,
You read the Gospel of Barnabas? It states in a footnote the date was "shortly before October" I believe, but didn't get as specific as what you've posted. I've heard September from other sources. I'll have to dig the book out and post it later...Good info though.
Yo Doc,
How you get April?
Hot Waaaaaaax!
As usual you elevate the discourse.
Let me check this out and hit you back.
Damn
Here's the Gospel of Barnabas excerpt:
"Angels announce to the shepherds the birth of Jesus, and they, after having found him, announce him. According to the Talmud, the flocks were put out to graze in March and brought in again the beginning of November, so that this event must have occured at some point during this eight month period. Scientific investigation of weather in this area of the world, which has not changed significanty in 2000 years has demonstrated the wisdom of this practice. The December 25th birth date derived from paganism, is fictional, and was not used until the fourth century onward."
"Three magi are led by a star in the east of Judaea, and, finding Jesus, make obeisance to him and gifts. This name 'magi' originally applied to the priest caste among the Medes, it was later applied to other eastern men held to be wise. At this time astronomoy and astrology were intertwined, and the chief interest of the magi. Residing east of Judea, to the magi the start would appear in the west. Evidence from the ancient observatory at Sippar in Babylonia, shows that on May 29, 7 B.C. in the morning sky, for at least two hours, the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the constellation of Pisces occurred giving the appearance of a large brilliant star. Sipar was advanced enough to calculate the second conjuction on October 3, and the last one on December 4. The grazing practices of the shepherds in conjunction with the evidence from Sippar, indicates that Jesus was born shortly before October 3rd."
Hmmm...well September 11th is defintely closer to October 3rd than December 25th is, and after reading what Wax has presented, I started thinking about this:
9/11 as we know it now, since 2001, represents this constant "war" between Christianity and Islam, or at least that's what we're led to believe. And now that it's been presented that 9/11 was the actual birthdate of Jesus, it's safe to say that this date could have been chosen in particular to symbolically represent Christianity's "rising up" against Islam, as we see these two ideologies head to head against each other in everything from the attack itself, to this nonsense of a mosque at ground zero and the act of burning Korans in the opposition of it.
Straight up mind control like a motherfucker...Divide and Conquer at it's best.
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