Monday, September 13, 2010

Nine One One For The Dumb Dumbs

9 comments:

Yaron said...

Who is Alan Sabrosky?
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html

Ronin said...

I'm not sure how many more times OBL is going to have to take credit for 911 before people like you believe him? They dont call them extremists for nothing.

Yaron said...

Also, do you really think Mossad agents are going to slap each other high fives in public ( on top of a car) while watching the WTC crumble ( if they really did it as you argue)? Gimme a break. The reason why the " israeli youths" were rounded up was because they look like Arabs and everyone who looked like they came from that region was a suspect right after the attacks. Do you know what most REAL Israelis look like? They look a lot like Arabs.

Denmark Vesey said...

What's happening Yaron?

I've been meaning to ask you about this cat.

I looked at that article you linked.

Come on brah.

1) "Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College."


Bills himself?

Was he? Or Wasn't he Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College?

Already the writer of the article has demonstrated himself biased. He is attempting to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger.

2) "He has made quite a name for himself in recent months by first declaring himself a military expert with high-level connections in the U.S. military hierarchy, then by outrageously claiming that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that the U.S. military knows this and is concealing it. While he offers no evidence for this, he claims that he should be trusted because of his expertise. The truth of the matter -- with respect to both his background and his claims -- is quite different, of course. Sabrosky has deliberately inflated his role in the military and has used that ruse to promote a hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory."

Attack.

Attack.

Attack.

The writer is telling the reader what Sabrosky is saying instead of letting Sabrosky speak for himself.

Come now Yaron.

Let's not play games.

This is nothing but a smear campaign. Propaganda. Thesis. Anti-thesis.

The same thing was done against Norman Finkelstein.

Which makes me suspicious.

If involvement of Israeli agents in the events on 911 is so absurd ... why the need for smear campaigns?


If a group of Iranian "movers" were caught taping 911 from the roof of a van, and celebrating ... I'd be suspicious.

If the Iranian lobby launched a smear campaign against people questioning Iran's involvement, my suspiciouns would be confirmed.

Yaron, are you aware of US government reports about a network of Israeli spies in the US prior to 911?

yaron said...

Hi DV,

In the summer leading up to 911, Israeli buses, schools and coffe shops were getting blown up almost daily. I am only 34 years old, but in my short time of studying and watching the Middle East this was the scariest time for Israel that i can remember, as babies and children were literally being killed and maimed in the streets. Two months before the attacks, i remember speaking with my American friends and was surprised that bascially none of them knew or had any interest about what was happenning in Israel. As the summer unfolded, it was obvious from the rhetoric ( Hamas even said that they would start targetting US interests at home and abroad that summer)that the Islamic Terrorists were going to try something in the US. Of course Israeli's knew that something was coming and had spies in the US waiting for that, and most likley warning people ( as i did with my friends). I dont think Israel or Israeli's should be blamed because most Americans were as usual too busy or apathetic to understand what was hapenning oversees.

Anonymous said...

"...hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory."

One of those trigger statements that cue you to believe:

"Anything you hear or read that is a counter argument to the 'mastuh narrative,' is false, is a lie, is conspiracy."

There is a counter argument. Youtube says it exist with a mill to 2 mill plus views, on many inside job 911 stories. If you keep your face in the tv screen you don't know. If you are Jewish and defend the most gruesome acts committed by Israel indirectly with personal stories and self-fisttaps of Ethiopian airlifts, you don't want to know.

D.SMITH said...

Why would Israel need to employ spies within the United States to "warn" them of a terrorist attack? Since when do spies operate in the favor of the people they are spying on? Did Yaron have to "spy" on his apathetic American friends in order to warn them that something was going to happen?

The "hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory" is of course "anti-Semitic" according to Sabrosky's critic, and doesn't even have to be countered with fact. The "fact" that Sabrosky "hates the Jews" is enough to diminish it to irrelevancy. All those with their faces in the television screen like Gee Chee said will only believe what the TV tells them to believe, and will refuse to research any of the information for themselves. When you react to a situation based on pure emotion, it becomes very difficult to reevaluate and respond with logic and reason, especially when you are constantly bombarded with images and stories that stir up that initial emotion. I recall Farrakhan saying that days before the attacks, the country was its most divided due to the election that put Bush in office. Shortly after the attacks, all of the country was united/distracted, and Islam was once again the enemy...and the side order scare tactic was this notion that you better agree that Islam is the enemy or else you are not patriotic (cue Yaron/Ronin to scoff at the idea of mentioning such a "anti-Semitic and prejudiced" man like Farrakhan, because he is against Zionism (read "hates the Jews") also).

Yaron said himself that a REAL Israeli looks Arabic...since the REAL culprit is Zionism, it doesn't necessarily have to be a REAL Israeli in the first place. Isn't part of the issue the fact that many Zionists trying to take the land from Palestine are simply converts to Judaism from regions outside of Israel, such as Germany and Russia...or Australia like Rupert Murdoch? He sure doesn't look like a REAL Israeli, yet he is mostly responsible for what the "faces in the TV screen" choose to believe. And I say choose, because as Gee Chee mentioned, there are numerous resources that point to Israel as the responsible party in the 9-11 attacks...unless you only want to believe what you are told to believe.

Meanwhile, the Israelis who were witnessed dancing and celebrating after the attacks operated under a front organization called Urban Moving Systems; Dominick Suter was one of those Israelis and ran the company. Why do you suppose he closed down shop and jetted back to Israel days after the attack?

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=dominick_suter

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

Yaron said...

I can pretty much guarantee you that more than half ( if any) of those movers didnt have a greencard or paperwork to work in the US. The owner probably got the heck out of dodge because he knew any investigation would show that his employees were illegal. As a FOB Israeli myself at one time, I can tell you this happenns all the time. Israelis travel right after their service in the army, and most go to NY for work because they have extended family there or friends that can offer much better pay than what they make in Israel for any job. After the attacks, those without papers or a visas were quickly shown the door. My theory on why the guys on the moving truck were happy as the towers fell ( if that really did happen) is because they probably thought/knew that the America would finally begin to whoop fundamentalist terrorist ass. Do you really think Mossad agents would be out in public slapping high fives during the attacks if they knew about them in advance? What kind of rinky dink operation do you think they are running over there?
And yes, sometimes you do have to spy on your friends if you think they are not paying attention to warning signs that may lead to harm. Doesnt DV's blog basically spy on people who are eating unhealthy foods? do those pictures of people in the grocery aisles of supermarkets necessarly mean that we want to inflict harm on those people? or are we watching and taking pictures of them without them know because we want them to be better informed and make the right decision?

D.SMITH said...

"Doesnt DV's blog basically spy on people who are eating unhealthy foods?" -Yaron

No. He takes pictures of chicks with titties on their backs and dudes with titties period...which is a result of eating unhealthy foods. He wasn't "spying" on them to "warn" them of the dangers (they can log on here or a number of other sites and inform themselves), nor did any of them die in an airplance crash or have to jump out the window afterwards. And who said he actually took the pictures anyway?

"Do you really think Mossad agents would be out in public slapping high fives during the attacks if they knew about them in advance?"
-Ronin

What difference does it make whether or not they knew about it in advance or not? They were witnessed celebrating the attacks...while it was happening.

"What kind of rinky dink operation do you think they are running over there?" -Yaron/Ronin

Soooo...were Mossad agents over here running a "rinky dink" operation or not?