The Plantation tells us between 1540 and 1850 15 - 20 Million slaves arrived in the Americas from Africa.1. Over a period of 300 years, is it fair to say that 60,000 slaves were transported annually to the Americas or has the transportation of slaves to the Americas been one big myth?
2. The largest seagoing vessel carried 400 slaves but not all of the ships were that large.
3. Time of passage was 3 - 4 months. That means 200 vessels/ships per year would have to travel carrying 300 people. One ship could make 3 passages per year. The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database says there were 1100 - 1400 voyages made over that 300 year period. If that is the case and each ship carried 400 people, the total number would be 560,000 Africans were transported. It still does not add up.
Ensayn1 said ...
I believe you are correct. It seems really to be matter of belief. We a have accepted and believed a this story presented to us in school, since, well forever.@KonWomyn,
Math does prove and disprove a lot of things, even still there are HOLES in that plantation story.
People enslaved in the Congo had to walk over 500 miles to the sea coast? WALK 500 MILES? All the while being mistreated along the foot journey. Then sit in dank, stank slave castles for Jah knows how long. Be forced onto ships, the holes of ships, excuse me. Dark, & musty, smelling of death and as you point out ships made several voyages.
Lying in urination, defecation, mensturation, vomit, no sunlight, no fresh food, and not much fresh water, all after a 500 hundred mile foot journey???
Oh wait, the voyage could take from one to two months before arrival to the "new world." Is this story logical?
Ok, let us say they did not walk 500 miles, they were picked up right in Benin. Still illtreated, still sitting in a dungeon, chained for days or months with poor food, poor sunlight then took the one to two month voyage. Is this more logical? These were human beings, that may have been prisoners of war long before being sold or whatever to the slavers. How was the treatment before being turned over to the slavers.
I have read stories about the huge amount of enslaved Africans dying, rebelling and jumping over board, but I have yet to read any information that tells us how many died upon arrival or a few days there after. That in itself could be a huge number.
In addition, weren't these people to be sold upon their arrival? I have to wonder, for those that lived through the voyage how they must have looked. Who would want to buy? And, if purchased before arrival who wouldn't want their money back?
Math not withstanding, the story we have accepted makes no logical sense to me.
Hey, but like I said before, its really a matter of belief. I choose to believe the revision, seems much more logical to me.
53 comments:
DV
Which version of the database did you get your info from? I looked it up and the homepage of the TransAtlantic Slavery Database says "almost 35 000 slaving voyages" took place and has these stats and these figures of peoples transported.
KW
I didn't get the data from there.
I got the entire post from: Washitaw, Yamasee, Iroquois, Cherokee, Choctaw
Blackfoot, Pequot & Mohegan (and/or All Indigenous People of America) http://stewartsynopsis.com/washitaw.htm
I found the piece thought provoking. It encouraged me to arrive at some ideas not predicated by footnotes.
Forgive me.
What I read there led me to this math. Maybe you can walk through it with me:
17,500,000 (Africans Transported to America according to Plantation)
÷ 400 (Maximum Africans per ship)
÷ 4 (Maximum trips per year per ship)
= 10,937 Minimum Size Slave Ships
If it is true there were only 3 major slave shipping companies dominating the industry that means they each had an average of 3,646 Maximum Size Slave Ships working around the clock.
In 1700? In 1750? In 1810?
Impossible.
The US Navy doesn't even have 10,937 ships today.
That's like asking someone to believe 2 Planes caused 3 Sky Scrappers to burn and collapse in their own footprints.
Why is the Plantation exaggerating the numbers of Africans brought to the Terra Nova at that particular time?
Why is there a fear among Plantation Negros to contend with the very strong possibility that we have been here for centuries?
Why is the suggestion that we built amazing civilizations of science and culture and law and spirituality in this land now called America before the Europeans realized the world wasn't flat so unfathomable?
Why are they afraid to view our history through anything other than the pigeonhole of slavery?
I think we should approach "history" as if everything is on the table.
Even the assumptions of the Slave Trade and the true origins of "African-Americans".
DV,
Ok, interesting that your source misquotes the database.
But let's re-do your Maths:
17 500 000 / 400 = 43 750.
That is the number of ships/voyages over that period rite.
Divide 43 750 by 352 years* = 124.28 voyages or ships/year.
* Africans traded btwn 1514 and 1866.
If you take a 12 000 000 estimate you get 85.2 ships/voyages per year.
Somebody's got their calculation wrong.
Your source assumes is working on an assumption that these journeys were done over one year, that's how they end up with 10 937. If that was so then the TransAtlantic Trade would not have lasted 352 years or more. In fact we'd have higher figures of Maafa if +10000 ships journeys were made/year over 352 years.
DV,
It is 43 750 ships/voyages in total over 352 years. To get the figure per year you must divide 43 750 by 352 years.
What is the answer?
Now, that answer will tell you the total number of ships in one year. If you want to know how many ships travelled every 4 months, you divide by 4.
If we work backwards from the answers:
DV: 10 937 x 352 x 400 = 1 539 929 600 enslaved Africans.
KW: 124.28 x 352 x 400 = 17 498 624 enslaved Africans.
One of us is wrong.
And yes 352 years is a very, very long time so it is possible for ships to have made 43 750 repeat/single journeys.
KW laying down the math.
Go ahead sis.
KW,
That's not 10,937 ships x 352 years.
That's 10,937 ships over 352 years.
I'm challenging the assumption that 10,937 ships, which can hold 400 slaves each, were ever constructed between 1524 and 1866.
That's a lot of wooden ships ... built by hand.
Challenging an assumption with the notion that because something seems difficult or even improbable in your reckoning, it did not happen?
You might be right, you might be wrong.
How you gonna prove it? Can it be proven?
Big Man.
Don't you think it is a bit easier to prove a positive than to prove a negative?
The transportation of 12 to 20 million Africans in the 17th and 18th Centuries ... 200 to 300 Africans per voyage ... to America would require a capital investment greater than the capital available at that time.
Maybe you can help advance the conversation. Can you point us to anything more than anecdotal evidence which supports the official conspiracy theory that 12 million to 20 million Africans were transported?
What do you think Big Man?
Did a handful of old wooden sail boats in the 1600's and 1700's really ... really ... carry millions of Africans across the Atlantic?
I don't know DV.
Sista KW provided you with a theory.
She explained her logic and laid it out.
You choose to say "Later" for that.
What else is there to say? I don't need to reinvent the wheel, I'm waiting for you to show the sista why she was wrong.
DV,
"That's not 10,937 ships x 352 years.
That's 10,937 ships over 352 years."
No that is a different figure. Its 43 750 ships/journeys over 352 years to move 17.5 million Africans.
Your figure is based over one year - 10 937 ships/voyages in a year. It is impossible. I'm refuting your calculation, before we even talk about the possible number of ship voyages in a lifetime btwn the 1500s and 1800s.
Obviously ships made repeat journeys, what was the average ship life of a slave ship? How many times did ships like the Pons, which held up to 900 slaves, go on journeys? Or the Tecora which was specifically built as a slave ship by the Portuguese? How many Pedro Blancos & Jose Riveras were there operating btwn West Africa and Cuba, West Africa and Brazil?
The US had about 650 000 slaves max, the majority went to Brazil and what was then the British Caribbean - how does your theory account for those enslaved peoples...or were there African Natives there too in their millions long before the Brits, Dutch and Portuguese ships came laden?
...Ironically your revisionist stance counters your past revisionist opinion on the Jews in the Slave Trade. Guess them Jews didn't steal and sell that many people, huh? Prof Tony Martin could never be more wrong, huh?
Even worse, by your account, the great Walter Rodney is not truth. *SMH*
"Obviously ships made repeat journeys, what was the average ship life of a slave ship? "
I don't know
"The US had about 650 000 slaves max, the majority went to Brazil and what was then the British Caribbean"
650,000 slaves over 352 years = 1,846 Africans per year.
Sounds about right to me.
650,000 = 3.7% of 17,500,000
Only 3.7% of Africans exported across the Atlantic ended up in the US?
Nahhhhhh
Let's say 3 times more slaves were sent to Brazil than North America.
That makes 1,950,000 Africans transported in old wooden sailboats on a 3 month voyage across the Atlantic.
Still high ... but makes more sense to me than 17,500,000 human beings transported across the Atlantic in the bottom of ... old ... wooden .. sail boats ... in the 17th and 18th Centuries.
@ Big Man,
Challenging an assumption with the notion that because something seems difficult or even improbable in your reckoning, it did not happen?
You might be right, you might be wrong.
How you gonna prove it? Can it be proven?
I believe you are correct. It seems really to be matter of belief. We a have accepted and believed a this story presented to us in school, since, well forever.
@KonWomyn,
Math does prove and disprove a lot of things, even still there are HOLES in that plantation story.
People enslaved in the Congo had to walk over 500 miles to the sea coast? WALK 500 MILES? All the while being mistreated along the foot journey. Then sit in dank, stank slave castles for Jah knows how long. Be forced onto ships, the holes of ships, excuse me. Dark, & musty, smelling of death and as you point out ships made several voyages.
Lying in urination, defecation, mensturation, vomit, no sunlight, no fresh food, and not much fresh water, all after a 500 hundred mile foot journey??? Oh wait, the voyage could take from one to two months before arrival to the "new world." Is this story logical?
Ok, let us say they did not walk 500 miles, they were picked up right in Benin. Still illtreated, still sitting in a dungeon, chained for days or months with poor food, poor sunlight then took the one to two month voyage. Is this more logical? These were human beings, that may have been prisoners of war long before being sold or whatever to the slavers. How was the treatment before being turned over to the slavers.
I have read stories about the huge amount of enslaved Africans dying, rebelling and jumping over board, but I have yet to read any information that tells us how many died upon arrival or a few days there after. That in itself could be a huge number.
In addition, weren't these people to be sold upon their arrival? I have to wonder, for those that lived through the voyage how they must have looked. Who would want to buy? And, if purchased before arrival who wouldn't want their money back?
Math not withstanding, the story we have accepted makes no logical sense to me.
Hey, but like I said before, its really a matter of belief. I choose to believe the revision, seems much more logical to me.
DV
"Only 3.7% of Africans exported across the Atlantic ended up in the US?
Nahhhhhh"
Yep depending on which estimates you use I think its about 3-5%.
More people were stolen to Jamaica than the US, over 1 000 000 and Brazil 4.8 million if you go b the stats of the database. What's interesting is how the narrative of slavery in America dominate and almost marginalize slavery in other places.
Why does the discursive presence of the enslaved experiences of Africans in the Caribbean, Africa and South America pale in comparison? How did it come to be so?
In the Anglophone world are the Portuguese and Spainish somehow lesser villains than the British, yet the Mediterraneans were in the human cargo business for much longer and hawking larger numbers than the Brits.
Now I'm not hating that the American slave narrative dominates, but asking critical questions for thought.
Ensayn
I wasn't saying it's a belief thing. I'm saying DV has made it a belief thing.
KW is providing concrete examples and figures for her theory. She's pointing to easily verifiable names and databases.
Now, you can choose to ignore her info and label it all part of the plantation myth-making machine if you want to, but then to turn around and trust the numbers of somebody else seems a bit asinine.
I mean, do you think the people advancing this new theory don't have their own motives? Why are you willing to ignore what KW has said in order to latch on this new theory? Because it provides a more palatable explanation?
I wasn't there. I really have NO idea whether the figures for hte TransAtlantic slave trade or correct. But, what I do know is that KW's explanation and argument on this thread has been better.
Ensanyn1
It is true that Africans travelled to The Americas long before Columbus and stayed. Canoes took them all over the world. But it is also true that Africans in their millions were stolen from the Continent.
Maybe to you it seems unbelievable, but why would 768 points in the world be dedicated to this trade? Were all those slave ports, ship records and slave narratives incorrect? What about the stories of the slaves themselves, the stories of the communities subject to slave raids?
What about the work of Black Historians who worked hard to piece together the true extent of Maafa against the stifling efforts Plantation who tried to silence the truth?
To me, it is not a lie, sources of truth are plenty: stories, historical artefacts, analyses and ship records. There are people who've traced back their roots to Africa whether through DNA testing or through family trees. Oprah and Chris Tucker have traced their roots to Africa, but have also found they have Native American roots. Chris Rock, Michael Jackson and Danny Glover all found links to African kingdoms as well. If DNA testing or family trees can show someone is a Native Black American, like one person on this blog did - then that's cool, I'd be interested to know how many more people there are. It only confirms to me even more how complex the story of African migration and identity in The Americas is, but it does not make Maafa any less true.
You ask how these Africans survived the journey. From what I've read, barrels of fresh water was the heaviest cargo on some of these ships, they fed the slaves rice and water in some instances. They were fed on deck, if you haven't read Olaudah Equiano's tale, you should. He's a bit arrogant, but you get a sense of what happened at that time bec this his experience.
As slavery became an expensive business to maintain the death toll went up. Its estimated that 10-30% died on the voyage, I don't know how many died upon arrival but I'm sure there is info available.
When people were now taken from the inland, it took months to get to the coast, but this was when potential captives on the coast were drying up. But you are talking about nomadic people who endured all kinds of terrain, these are also people who had a system of slavery before the Europeans arrived. Have you read stuff on how slaves were transported?
I'll post some links later, but I gotta go my student's arrived.
...peace
ps thanks for the info on the Moors.
Hats off Sista Kon Womyn.
Hats off Big Man.
Fist tap Ensayn1.
The horror and reality of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade is not an easy subject.
It is not something about which people enjoy talking.
I appreciate the interesting, civil and creative ideas shared so far. Thank you.
That said. Big Man, I don't think you get it.
You've fallen too far into the Left v Right, Blue Team v Red Team, Kon Womyn v DV, "Old Theory" v "New Theory" paradigm too quickly.
Just because you fail to commit to either polemic doesn't mean you aren't being polemical.
"KW is providing concrete examples and figures for her theory." Big Man
Has she?
What exactly, Big Man, is KW's Theory?
___________________________ ?
I haven't read the sister espouse a particular theory.
She simply seems to be asking questions and expressing doubt about a different theory.
She is not championing any particular theory.
She is challenging a CHALLENGE to the official theory.
She seems to be saying "if the Trans Atlantic slave trade transported 1.2 million and not 12 million, you are going to have to show me more than some questionable math."
I respect that.
I'm countering with: "Let's not only check the math of this 'New' Theory kay dub. Let's check the math of BOTH theories."
My contention is that when we check the math of the official / plantation theories we find they have just as many holes.
No one bothers to validate the OFFICIAL (Plantation) Conspiracy Theories.
They just assume they are correct and build their world views around that.
You've been here for years. You know at this spot nothing is sacred.
EVERYTHING & EVERYONE is to be challenged.
The truth will always survive.
Was there a Trans-Atlantic slave trade in the between the 16th and 18th Centuries?
YES.
1)
Did 1,200,000 Africans survive the voyage?
OR did 12,000,000 Africans survive the voyage?
2)
Are the survivors of the Trans Atlantic slave trade 80% of the ancestors of today's Black Americans?
Or are the survivors of the Trans Atlantic slave trade 20% of the ancestors of today's Black Americans?
"Stats", "footnotes" and "databases" aren't going to tell us that Big Man.
After awhile we have to apply creative thought and come to our own conclusions.
Either that or let the Plantation monopolize creative thought and spoon feed us conclusions.
Good Stuff Kon Womyn.
Yes. "Black Historians worked hard to piece together the true extent of Maafa'" KW
No: "against the stifling efforts Plantation who tried to silence the truth" KW
I don't agree sista.
Actually, I think just the opposite.
The Plantation has invested a tremendous amount of resources into establishing the Official "ROOTS" Slave Narrative of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and how "Black" Americans are not natives but relatively recent imports.
No, um um, KW.
The Plantation attempted to silence Noble Drew Ali.
The Plantation gave a platform to Kunta Kinte.
The Plantation reinforces the Official Negro Slave narrative every February with "Black History Month".
It requires little black kids to stand up in class and read reports about Amistad and how "Africans really sold each other into slavery".
I think the story of the Moorish Nation has been hidden.
The stories of Chicken George has been carved into our brains and poured with cement.
Peace KW, Big Man and DV. I appreciate the discourse, we have to talk about it. All in all, I feel its still a matter of belief. Belief in whose numbers are correct for the basis of the mathmatics. I feel there is a reason to keep "Black" people in a state of "homelessness." Can't really go back to Africa, don't really feel apart of this land, there is something to this. Surely, Black historians have worked to keep the plantation story alive, and maybe for their own personal gain or profit. Think, about this since we are using the word plantiation. How much do we image slave life on a plantation when the subject of slavery is brought up? How often do we imagine the life of the enslaved in the city? What was slavery like in the city? There is little popular information by even Black historian on this subject. Why?
DV & Ensayn1
I'm not saying all Black historians have been suppressed. To me, the plantation is a sea of contradictions, the current can move both for and against Black academics depending on the mood of the sea.
While today Black Historians are open to writing about slavery, Prof Tony Martin is one example of someone who's been censored. Regardless of whether I agree with him or not, his work has been stifled. Dr Demetrius Eudell is a fierce brotha who's work doesn't exactly leave his White audience saying 'gimme some mo'.
Whilst Du Bois was being commissioned to write The Souls of Black Folks, 100 years before him Fredrick Douglass was being called a liar because his English was too good to be a slave. In the 1800s the Portuguese had heavy censorship laws and nothing against slavery could be published. It was only towards the turn of the century when Brazil had its first Afro-Brazilian historian, Manuel Querino.
If a Black Historian followed up the works of Dr Ivan van Sertima and Runoko Rashidi and found perhaps 10% of Blacks in the US were Native Black Americans and even 2% of the Black Caribs (Garifuna) came before the Spainish in the 1600s - how long do you think it would take to get published? Would that historian get laughed at and dismissed like Dr Ivan van Sertima?
If there is such a Black intellect, please post a link...
And yes the discussion has been stimulating, maaad thanks. This is how grown folk do.
Shout out to Big Man -good looking out. He knows truth. ; )
...peace
I see Dv is still trying hard to prove that his ancestors are moors... lol that's what this is about innit?
LOL.
Maybe Anon, but many months back DV told Mike Fisher he'd traced his roots back to a royal of the Songhai Kindom. He got Malian ancestry. Rite DV?
Bro. Makheru killed all this Moorish gas last sunday on this thread thus;
The interesting thing about these particular Moors, is that without the evolution of the Afrikan-centered movement in the mid-1980s, under the leadership of ASCAC, and their focus on Ancient KMT, and the works of Diop, ben-Jochannan, Obenga, James, Williams, Jackson, Massey, Churchward, Budge, etc., and the enormous contributions of Ivan Van Sertima and the team of scholars he assembled for his Journal of African Civilizations, these Moors would have, from an intellectual perspective, neither a pot to piss in nor a window throw it out of. They are one of many marginal groups who are trying to spin history to serve their particular interest, while presenting themselves as if they are operating with seminal knowledge. What a croc of B/S.
However, for those who believe this and join their movement, more power to them. Let them go forward and see what they can accomplish.
The kwestin begged is why not a single ASCAC scholar has lifted a finger to explore the Moorish narrative?!?!?!?!
Now unless one pretends to believe that the ASCAC collective is a bunch of Illuminati altertumswissenschaft revisionists, one is compelled to conclude that the Moorish narrative is a "croc of B/S" straight.out.of.a.comic.book - and thus unworthy of serious examination.
"one is compelled to conclude that the Moorish narrative is a "croc of B/S" straight.out.of.a.comic.book - and thus unworthy of serious examination."
That's silly.
The Moorish narrative on hybridized foods ... ALONE ... is a greater contribution to the empowerment of black people than all the bone-n-the-nose Plantation Negro wannabe Marxist technocratic masturbation and social engineering programs combined.
Teaching Pork Eating Negros With Diabetes and High Blood Pressure About Ancient Kemet ... is a waste of time.
Teaching them about the dangers of hybridized foods and the consequences of GMO can save millions of lives and empower generations.
The Moorish narrative on hybridized foods ... ALONE ... is a greater contribution to the empowerment of black people than all the
all the intelligent Black folk I know still enjoy a slice of bean pie and a white fish sammish every now and again too.
problem is, when barely literate muhphaggaz forget their place and commence to lecturing with the Oswald Bates-ish gibberjabber about "mathematical thinking" and the diabolical Dr. Yacub, we have to leave them to their own pathetic devices.
consequently, they're relegated to 1970 vintage fiddypage book men with no prospects whatsoever for substantial or productive economic development.
Yeah.
I hear you CNu.
But ya'll niggas got Man-boobs.
They don't.
Who is smarter?
I'll take my chances on the brothers without tits.
lol,
yeah, well, here's the thing, brothas of any consequence don't give you the time of day - excepting them what use you as a digital pinata.
see, it's those adolescent female insecurities and preoccupations of yours that have you surrounded by equally ignorant and helpless muhphuggahs content to pop safe nonsense well within your comfort zone.
anything outside of that, and you start catching intellectual shortcoming type feelings...,
but it's ok Deevee, your secret's safe with me and the handful of other pinata hitters who come through to kill time and abuse you.
Some people just don't wan't to believe:
The Moorish Coat Of Arm Of Pope Benedict XVI
click here
“The best proof of the origin of some of the British families are the ' thick lipped Moors' on their coat of arms [Heraldry is a descriptive system of hereditary coats of arms, and everything that is associated with it (badges, flags and the like). It is described in a succinct language called 'blazon', which exactly delineates the colors and shapes.] Some of these families are still named Moore .
In the Encyclopedia of Heraldica by Berry :
‘Moor’s head is the heraldic term for the head of a black or Negro man."
The Coat of Arms of His Holiness Benedict XVI
The Moor's head is not rare in European heraldry. It still appears today in the arms of Sardinia and Corsica, as well as in the blazons of various noble families. Italian heraldry, however, usually depicts the Moor wearing a white band around his head instead of a crown, indicating a slave who has been freed; whereas in German heraldry the Moor is shown wearing a crown. The Moor's head is common in the Bavarian tradition and is known as the caput Ethiopicum or the Moor of Freising. [See the House of Hanover and the Windsor]. The Hanover's who later morphed into the Windsor who are now on the throne of England were German mixed with African.
According to J.A Rodgers in Sex and Race: McRitchie says again:
'Since black people domiciled in Scotland , where, moreover, some of the bearers of the insignia of the Moor's head were named Moore .'
"The Scots derived their origins from Gaythelos, son of Neolus, King of Greece, who went to Egypt in the days of Moses, where he married Scota, daughter of Pharaoh, king of Egypt [ un-named again] and led the Scots from thence to Spain. From this several colonies went to Ireland ."
Kill the mathematics. Not needed. :)
Science have found the oldest skulls in the Americas.
Click here
Lucia was a Negroid!!!
LOL. The technocrats have spoken and DV was right.
End of Story.
If the slave ships had the numbers you suggest, surely there are some left? Is ther a museum somewhere where where I can view them? Do you "feel" American? I thought I was a refugee.... I have felt SECOND CLASS since my conscious arrival....I have been to several major "Native American Pow Wows" and felt absoluely ZERO spritually and no kinship whatsoever...The Black Indians of New Orleans... were interesting...but the spiritual tears and emotion did not come until I saw the West African drummers and dancers which Alex Haley must have missed (his music scenes were so far fom reality it was comedic...how could you do a documentary about your fu%$#kn "ROOTS" and omit such a critical part of our culture. What methods made our deracination so effective to the point of going 400 years without a comb...burning our hair to this day to be like Massa..especially the sistahs..who maybe subconsciously since their men or so lacking and want to be girls themselves (how many brothers are wearing dresses in the movies and gettin di%$ked in the ass for the cash? In visiting the Carribean..I spiritually "felt" connected to an island ...where Africans, Arawaks..coexisted for years... Put these white ass books down and go "feel" where your connections are....These white folks have made their lies your very foundation...Moors and Native Americans built mounds... statutes...only later to be blasphemed by these "folks". Where is the music , the dance , the drama, more importantedly the TRADITION....Africans continue to do dances and music from centuries ago...which was overlooked by these "historians"....do your on investigations...rewrite your own destiny based on "SPIRIT".....African Americans maybe not...but Africans absolutely!!!
Wow! This is an interesting discussion. I think I have to agree with DV on this one, not just based off of math, but straight common sense.
Technically, everyone's math is off, because the missing question is who took inventory of the number of slaves captured? How was that inventory recorded? And most importantly, was it accurate?
Second, if you all remember, there was once a geography class that said the entire world was 1 CONTINENT, before breaking into 7. That would make it easier for blacks to be everywhere, right?
Third, notice in every land that the whyt man "discovers" there is always a "dark" native already occupying it -- even today -- the real Austrailians are the Aboriginese, the real Eskimoes are dark, Indians from India are dark, Asians from China, Vietnam, Burma, etc. are dark. Could it also possible that the "Native Americans" were also "dark" as well? Prior to Columbus' lie about discovering America?
Ideally, we should look at American History with a grain of salt and critical thinking, because we have already been told that some of it has been made up. C'mon now, how does America get "discovered" 3 times? How can land that is already occupied be "discovered" just when a white man arrives?
Major Harvey,
So much promised...squandered with this paragraph:
"Second, if you all remember, there was once a geography class that said the entire world was 1 CONTINENT, before breaking into 7. That would make it easier for blacks to be everywhere, right?"
I don't think you were paying attention. Or are you also of the mind that there really was a Fred Flinstone type caveman with a pet Brachiosaurus?
The continents broke up LLLLOOOOOOOONNNGGGG before humans came into existence.
From the European perspective it WAS a discovery. From the people who lived here already, it was merely trespassing.
Yes, CRITICAL thinking. I wish you would have taken your own advice before posting this. A simple Google search would have set you straight on the dates.
The continents broke up LLLLOOOOOOOONNNGGGG before humans came into existence.
how do YOU know this DMG?
Anon,
The geological record provides quite a bit of evidence.
Major Harvey.
You are right. The math doesn't add up.
There is no way 15 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic between the 1500's and the 1800's.
Hell. They couldn't move 15 million Africans via boat today.
Even if they had the QE II
As far as the movement of the continents...
Who knows?
"Plate Tectonics" was the Holy Grail until recently.
Now the notion of "floating continents" is as silly as the H1N1 Pandemic.
There was tremendous cataclysm on Earth around the time of the flood of Noah.
Did continents disappear? Did others move?
The "Expanding Earth Theory" strikes me as much more a SCIENTIFIC explanation than the shit they are teaching in Plantation Schools today.
The fact of the matter is much of what we have been taught about antediluvian civilization is a complete and deliberate farce.
Our past has been DELIBERATELY obscured.
"Anon, The geological record provides quite a bit of evidence." DMG
"Provides quite a bit of evidence that what ______________ ?"
WHAT does the "geological record" tell you Doc?
lol
17,500,000 Africans /352 years = 49,716 Africans transported per year. At, let's say, only 200 Africans per voyage that would be 49,716 Africans transported per year/ 200 Africans transported per voyage = 248 voyages per year. At only 2 voyages per ship, that would be 248 voyages /2 voyages per ship = 124 ships plying the oceans every year. At the 4 voyages per ship you estimate, that would be only 62 ships every year.
DV. Go back to school. Oh. snap, I forgot that's against your convictions.
Or you could just look here
Noooooo Stupid!
17,500,000 Africans /352, times 49,716 African Americans transported per leap year, times 200 ships = 499,716 Africans divided by 1200 hoola hoops some click clacks and a soul train line.
Black people are indigenous to the planet. From Africa to Asia to Australia to The Pacific Islands to South America to North America to Europe. The indigenous people were black.
We were here when our Asian cousins crossed the Bering strait. Blacks were in this part of the world when the Europeans arrived. We were here when our African brothers and sisters joined us during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
But it wasn't an African majority absorbing an Indigenous minority.
It was an Indigenous majority absorbing a recent African minority.
Prove it.
Carl Walden (DV) is probably the dumbest Mutafucka on the palnet
17,500,000 Africans /352, times 49,716 African Americans transported per leap year, times 200 ships = 499,716 Africans divided by 1200 hoola hoops some click clacks and a soul train line. roflmao!
DMG,
Clearly, you are a small man suffering from a small man disorder.
How do you know when the continents broke up? Oh yeah, the white man told you that. Just as he told you that slavery civilized blk folks.
You are officially a part of the matrix and dead heads who blindly believe everything they are told without any questioning, even if it violates basic common sense.
As they say, common sense ain't so common. It is unfortunate. In the meantime...
Kiss my blk a**
Clearly, you are a man who perhaps attended class, but didn't absorb very much.
Clearly you are a man who cannot seem to operate an internet search engine. If you have any children over the age of 4 in your home, you should seek help for instructions.
Are you related to Wax? You mentioned the Matrix...
Are you really going to play the "white man" gambit so soon after arriving here? You gotta comment for at LEAST a month or two before you are allowed to toss that one about.
Hey, recall YOU were the one who brought up Pangea and Geology class. I just pointed out that YOU DIDN'T FUCKING LISTEN IN CLASS, YOU GODDAMN IGNORAMUS!! It broke up 250 million years ago. Look at the data!
Oh, was that harsh? Did you get your feelings hurt? Should I give you a chance to explain what you meant? Maybe, let you pull a blogsite out of your ass as "proof"? A YouTube video perhaps? No?
If you are going to introduce a topic, at least have the brains to read up on on first.
Now, take your silly ass on.
Carl Walden? That you MOTI?
Nah, DV's real moniker is Conrad Walden.
Must be an inside joke
Clearly, you are a waste of sperm.
This faggot major harvey must save his sperm for special men like his daddy Conrad DV Walden
Now, Major I have to ask you, are you a man? Because a man wouldn't get his feelings so hurt that he'd have to resort to blurting out little weak insults like that.
I mean, if you REAAALLLLYY want to get down like that, I'll have to warn you, I've heard some of the nastiest, rankest, low-down, filthy insults in my time in the Corps.
I'll just let that one go. You didn't know. You are new. It's alright.
As I have said before, the numerous slave castles and forts on the West African coast are enough testament of the slave trade. i happen to have been to many of them. My Grandfather who is 96 lives on the west coast of Africa and can tell you many stories. The Govenors journals and records from the various colonial administrations are in our museums and are proof. Families from the coastal areas where these forts are located have documented family histories that go back to the slave trade days...... Why is this even a discussion?
because conrad DV walden is either a liar or an idiot
"records from the various colonial administrations are in our museums and are proof."
Proof of what ____________ ?
15 Million Africans were transported across the Atlantic in the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries ... and that the 30 million so-called "African-Americans" today are solely derived from them?
or
A number of Africans, much less than what we've been conditioned to believe ... were transported to this country ... and that this African minority was absorbed by the indigenous black majority.
What happened to the "Indians" of the eastern seaboard?
We were told they "all died off".
Nahhh...
The indigenous people were enslaved.
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