Wednesday, April 07, 2010

WHAT THE IRAQIS CALL YOU? THE AFGHANS? THE IRANIANS? THE PAKISTANI? THE PALESTINIANS? THE LEBANONESE? THE SOMALIANS? THE SUDANESE?

20 comments:

KonWomyn said...

There's a typo Lebanese not Lebanonese.

Where's the pic from, as in which protest?

ed said...

They called me a corner store customer....

D.SMITH said...

Granted none of them have ever called me nigger, but something I always thought was odd is that there are people from these same nationalities that will consider themselves Caucasian when asked what race they belong to.

And these days I hear more young, English speaking Latino men using the word nigger amongst themselves as almost a term of endearment than anyone else.

Cés said...

And these days I hear more young, English speaking Latino men using the word nigger amongst themselves as almost a term of endearment than anyone else.

Because it is never about race or ethnicity.

It's about cultural habits.

They didn't learn that from thin air.

I don't ever use that word to refer to anyone.

But, what you say it's true D.Smith

Many latino English speaking young men use that word as a form of endearment.

Denmark Vesey said...

Ooops. My fault Kay Duub.

Chicago 1968.

I am conducting an experiment to see if the meme survived the test of time.

Denmark Vesey said...

Brother Ed!

Corner store?

Customer?

What? You been shopping at bodegas in Beirut? Gaza? Baghdad? Tehran? You get your Red Bulls and Newports from Ahmed in Kabul?

Nah magne.

You don't know these people.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Granted none of them have ever called me nigger, but something I always thought was odd is that there are people from these same nationalities that will consider themselves Caucasian when asked what race they belong to." DS

1) Why not?
2) What does it matter, that there are people from these nationalities that consider themselves Caucasian? There are some Negros who consider themselves Caucasian. There are some Caucasians consider themselves black. I don't get that.

"And these days I hear more young, English speaking Latino men using the word nigger amongst themselves as almost a term of endearment than anyone else." DS

What does that tell us?

Cés said...

I think I just contradicted myself...
LOL

Anonymous said...

And these days I hear more young, English speaking Latino men using the word nigger amongst themselves as almost a term of endearment than anyone else.-D.S.

...these days? Vietnamese youth were flipp'n it in the early 90's. Naturally it would be amongst the Puerto Rican culture being co-creators of hip-hop. Inherently other Spanish speaking cultures would come to identify.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

GeeChee you are from the East Coast clearly.We don't have enough Puerto Ricans in CA to make that impact; it is Mexican boys and girls and other Southeast Asians like Cambodians who I hear say that to each other. It still bothers me but I let it ride because they are talking to themselves. One day I got on this Mexican gal about saying that shit on the bus though, I can only take so much of being tolerant before I am moved to say shut the hell up! People can say what they want but they ought to understand the consequences of their rhetoric too.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

DV you are being disingenuous regarding Ed's comment. Go to any urban area. Go to a corner or neighborhood store. Chances are the stores are owned by:

1.Arabs
2.Sikhs
3.Koreans

How did it come to be that these ethnicities dominate the corner store markets?

Just like how did Vietnamese come to dominate the nail market?

Don't play colorblind on us now DV, this is a policy issue...

Denmark Vesey said...

"How did it come to be that these ethnicities dominate the corner store markets?" MR

1) Hustle

2) Lack of Plantation mindedness


"Just like how did Vietnamese come to dominate the nail market?"


1) Hustle

2) Lack of Plantation mindedness


They don't expect as much from the Government as do Negros. Consequently they do better.

D.SMITH said...

Ces, you are correct; the use of the word by Latinos has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Black people have "embraced" the word and use it freely, you hear it in the music we listen to, and like Gee Chee pointed out, it wouldn't be long before it is used by other cultures as well; hip hop alone has that affect. As far as my "these days" comment, I wasn't strictly speaking in terms of right now, but the picture (and subject of discussion) is from 1968. So perhaps I should have just left that part out.

As far as the comment I made about these other groups of people considering themselves Caucasian, I'm speaking in regards to nationality. Calling yourself Caucasian because of the pigmentation of your skin does not speak on nationality. Hell, nigger/negro/colored/Black/Afro/African-American does not speak on it either. The Prophet Noble Drew Ali taught us to get back to our true nationality as Black people (Moors); none of these labels I mentioned do that. Look at the Sundry Act of 1790. These were Black, Moorish families except from Negro Law due to their nationality and lineage to Moorish royalty in South Carolina. I believe the treaty between the U.S. And Morocco is the longest held treaty in U.S. History. Now if you are Black "acting white" or vice versa, well that's some other shit.

The word nigger is just that...a word. We gave it the power to offend us in 1968 just as we took the power away from it now and in the early nineties. The message on the sign, IMO, speaks in regards to the fact that our "enemy" at the time was here in this country, not halfway around the world. Why should a Black man go fight for a country that doesn't treat them with any respect, and also fight against a people that has not subjected to the same racism and prejudices that they face here?

And you could again say that the word nigger is simply a word. If you don't fit the description of the word by definition (uneducated and lazy), why give it power to oppress you? It wasn't so much the word, however, than it was the power yielded behind those who chose to use it against us.

D.SMITH said...

Oops.."exempt" from Negro Law is what I meant.

KonWomyn said...

Wsuuup DV

Fanks, I hadn't seen it before.

Meme? Depends on context. When people unite around a common oppression then whatever differences between them are set aside.

20 years ago Indians in South Africa understood the political power of calling themselves Black.

30 years ago south Asians in the UK also understood this and identified as Black together with African and African Caribbean people.

Has the meme survived? Yes in political discourse, but in the everyday No.

Why? Because there aint no more apartheid...But differences still exist because divide n rule has a spanning legacy centuries.

Us n Them: Migrant/National, Korean/African American, Arab/African all social differences constructed in a hierachical fashion and like crabs in a barrel they tear each other down trying to dominate and differences run so deep they don't realise the common enemy: the Plantation and it's agents.

On a side note checkout Mos Dub if y'havent copped it already...Siiick dub mashups, Global System of HipHop Supremacy!

DMG said...

I've heard the word nigger mispronounced with accents from all over the world many a time. Granted they probably say it less than your average Alabama redneck, but it does seem to be one of the first words learned after immigration. Whatever, for every one ignorant foreigner I know three who are cool.

I know what you are getting at. Why should black men and women participate in wars on foreign soil. First...I think we shouldn't have been in most of those, but we are citizens of this country. I don't see a problem with anyone enlisting of their own free will. I disagree with conscription.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

DV you know I asked one of my Vietnamese nail technicians that very question about ten years ago. He told me that the GOVERNMENT has programmes for Vietnamese immigrants specifically to go to Cosmetology school and learn nail tech. They can take their exams in Vietnamese and they can get the paperwork for small business loans in Vietnamese.

Talk about using the plantation! They simply never offered those opportunities to Black Americans, therefore policies made yesterday still affect what we see today.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

DMG we built this country so we should have fought for it but being drafted is er icky isn't it? Then again what if everyone chose NOT to enlist in a situation of immediate danger then what should the government do?

Brother Taney said...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The general words above quoted would seem to embrace the whole human family, and if they were used in a similar instrument at this day would be so understood. But it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration; for if the language, as understood in that day, would embrace them, the conduct of the distinguished men who framed the Declaration of Independence would have been utterly and flagrantly inconsistent with the principles they asserted; and instead of the sympathy of mankind, to which they so confidently appealed, they would have deserved and received universal rebuke and reprobation.

Yet the men who framed this declaration were great men — high in literary acquirements — high in their sense of honor, and incapable of asserting principles inconsistent with those on which they were acting. They perfectly understood the meaning of the language they used, and how it would be understood by others; and they knew that it would not in any part of the civilized world be supposed to embrace the negro race, which, by common consent, had been excluded from civilized Governments and the family of nations, and doomed to slavery. They spoke and acted according to the then established doctrines and principles, and in the ordinary language of the day, and no one misunderstood them. The unhappy black race were separated from the white by indelible marks, and laws long before established, and were never thought of or spoken of except as property, and when the claims of the owner or the profit of the trader were supposed to need protection.

DMG said...

Mahndisa,

Well, as you can see, even in a time of war on two fronts on foreign soil, the services still have enough people to pull triggers. I don't believe in conscription for several reasons. From a tactical standpoint, I don't want anyone covering my flank who has absolutely no desire to fight at my side.

From a citizens rights perspective one should not be forced to put his or her own life in danger so that the state may carry out a thinly veiled imperialistic agenda. Fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Panama, or Korea has little to do with defending the country (I don't by the mantra of fight them there before we have to fight them here...).

If there were nobody to enlist in a time of immediate danger, we'd be screwed anyway...