Wednesday, April 28, 2010

15 comments:

KonWomyn said...

is that also an african nose? its not wide enuff. ; )

HotmfWax said...

KW,

THIS IS FOR U:


Man claims to have had no food or drink for 70 years
Indian military scientists are studying an 82-year-old who claims he has not had any food or drink for 70 years.


He has now spent six days without food or water under strict observation and doctors say his body has not yet shown any adverse effects from hunger or dehydration.

Seven Half Store said...

Have we read the Harvard "Crimson DNA" letter?

Denmark Vesey said...

is that also an african nose? its not wide enuff. ; )

Well ... we know it aint a "european" nose.

And it looks perfectly wide to me.
; }

Denmark Vesey said...

What's happening Mahogany?
Crimson DNA?

Nah. I aint hip.

What's that about?

Seven Half Store said...

Okay here is the short version:

A Harvard Law Review member and official court clerk (her name for the purposes of defamation claims is referred to as "Crimson DNA") had dinner with member(s) of the Harvard Black Student Law Association in which a debate went on about issues concerning race. She felt her points were "shot down" during dinner so she decided to follow up with this email:

… I just hate leaving things where I feel I misstated my position.

I absolutely do not rule out the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent. I could also obviously be convinced that by controlling for the right variables, we would see that they are, in fact, as intelligent as white people under the same circumstances. The fact is, some things are genetic. African Americans tend to have darker skin. Irish people are more likely to have red hair. (Now on to the more controversial:) Women tend to perform less well in math due at least in part to prenatal levels of testosterone, which also account for variations in mathematics performance within genders. This suggests to me that some part of intelligence is genetic, just like identical twins raised apart tend to have very similar IQs and just like I think my babies will be geniuses and beautiful individuals whether I raise them or give them to an orphanage in Nigeria. I don’t think it is that controversial of an opinion to say I think it is at least possible that African Americans are less intelligent on a genetic level, and I didn’t mean to shy away from that opinion at dinner.

I also don’t think that there are no cultural differences or that cultural differences are not likely the most important sources of disparate test scores (statistically, the measurable ones like income do account for some raw differences). I would just like some scientific data to disprove the genetic position, and it is often hard given difficult to quantify cultural aspects. One example (courtesy of Randall Kennedy) is that some people, based on crime statistics, might think African Americans are genetically more likely to be violent, since income and other statistics cannot close the racial gap. In the slavery era, however, the stereotype was of a docile, childlike, African American, and they were, in fact, responsible for very little violence (which was why the handful of rebellions seriously shook white people up). Obviously group wide rates of violence could not fluctuate so dramatically in ten generations if the cause was genetic, and so although there are no quantifiable data currently available to “explain” away the racial discrepancy in violent crimes, it must be some nongenetic cultural shift. Of course, there are pro-genetic counterarguments, but if we assume we can control for all variables in the given time periods, the form of the argument is compelling.

In conclusion, I think it is bad science to disagree with a conclusion in your heart, and then try (unsuccessfully, so far at least) to find data that will confirm what you want to be true. Everyone wants someone to take 100 white infants and 100 African American ones and raise them in Disney utopia and prove once and for all that we are all equal on every dimension, or at least the really important ones like intelligence. I am merely not 100% convinced that this is the case.

Please don’t pull a Larry Summers on me,
CRIMSON DNA

Seven Half Store said...

Crimson DNA is a white girl.

KonWomyn said...

Wax

Thanks, I read your link this morning. Breatharianism and Yoga are often dismissed as a New Age thing, but living on light is such an ancient practice requiring a high level of spiritual discipline.

Why is the Indian military only interested in this sadhu now? The military? Researching on how to cope during disaster times, really?

Throughout India's history the sadhus of diff faiths have been living on light and breathing to live so why is this being marketed as a 'medical breakthrough'? Why they researching it now? And why is Plantation media now giving this airplay yet in the past inediates have been treated as anorexic kooks or fakes.

HotmfWax said...

KW,
Again, I give you credit for hipping me to Breatharianism the first time this came up in conversation in Jan. :)

You are right that the plantation media is messing with this. I listen to a white DOCTOR on the Kevin Trudeau show said that he got 8 years under his belt doing it. Huh?!

How come the media ain't all over this?

Thanks for the hook up.

Respect-

DMG said...

Wax,

Well then, if a "white DOCTOR" says it then...there's no debate. Put your fork down now.

HotmfWax said...

House,


Did not mean to infer it in a "racial" way or in any other "white makes right" way that you might want to take it as. I was trying to say it from a cultural standpoint.

Maybe it should have gone like this: "Can you believe some white American "main stream" AMA registered Doctor said that he practiced Breatharianism for eight years and the Main stream media did not pick it up?"

I think that if it was some American-indian(or any other culture) (doctor) they would have dismissed it as religious or "racist inspired" dogma.

That was the context I tried to use it in. " WHITE AMERICAN DOCTOR(MSM ALLOPATHIC POSTER CHILD) SAID HE WENT WITHOUT FOOD FOR EIGHT YEARS. CNN -PLEASE DO A STORY."


BTW, Homie (speaking of CNN) you tried to paint my Flu questions that even CNN reported about as "tin foil hat" stuff and failed to address "Why do they have to use 2009 left over H1N1 vaccine and mix it with regular fall 2010 "seasonal flu" vaccine?"
That was uncool.

Dr. Gupta even said it was so.

also you said the kid that I showed you was a one time fluke, therefore how about a GROUP(44 kids) ?

Come on Doc, I really do have a desire to hear an honest allopathic viewpoint on this. Ain't trying to battle.

Just the facts.

DMG said...

Wax,

If this dude were "mainstream" as you put it, he wouldn't be claiming to practice Breatherainism. Dudes a nut. I know it. You know it. Hell MOTI knows it. Why you bothering with this?

And about your flu questions...what are you talking about? You know I don't read a fraction of what you type (HTML links brother, please).

DMG said...

I think Gupta gave a pretty good explanation...so what more do you want to know? Or are you saying you still believe that the H1N1 vaccine was somehow some weird conspiracy, after I've told you over and over again, the reason it was a separate vaccination was because it was id'd too late to be included in the regular seasonal flu vaccine?

44 kids got "sick"
20 kids admitted (doesn't say for how long or why)
1 seriously ill.

And?? What do you think is a part of "getting sick". There may be a systemic inflammatory response--which accounts for some of the symptoms of being sick. This may be the reason one twin, died and the other didn't.

44 out of a BILLION is pretty much the same as 1 out of a BILLION.

HotmfWax said...

No ducking doc,

Click the word Gupta above and also Group 44. (those are the links)

And you must have read what I posted on H1n1 before being mixed with seasonal flu for fall 2010, because you said I was on "tin foil" again when it was posted and said that it was not true, therefore I gave you a more mainstream link afterwords (Gupta) .

I will make it easy right . Here is the question:

Is it standard protocol to take old unused 2009 h1n1 vaccine and mix it with the up and coming 2010 "seasonal flu" vaccine. Is that a good idea? Does it have merit? Do you think that it is ethical? Why do you have to get it a second and third and forth time or however many time you get a seasonal flu shot?

Again , just the facts.

DMG said...

I did. Still don't see your point. Perhaps YOU should re-read Gupta. The strain will be included in next years vaccine. So what? And I already broke down your other link...again I say So what?

Wax, nobody takes "old, unused vaccine to mix with anything. Dude it's in the FIRST sentence:

"The 2009 H1N1 flu VIRUS, which has been circulating since last spring, sickened millions and killed at least 15,000 people worldwide, will be INCLUDED in the next seasonal flu vaccine when it becomes available in the fall, health experts in the United States decided Monday."

That means the H1N1 strain will be used to make NEW vaccine for next year, not take a bunch of old vaccine and toss it in a bucket.