Students at Tuskegee InstituteOriginal caption: 1940: A Modern Class In Session At Tuskegee Institute. Each student must learn a trade as well as the three R's. Among those taught are agriculture, architectural drawing, applied electricity, automobile mechanics, brick masonry, carpentry, cabinet making, painting, photography, plumbing, printing, sheet metal work, shoe making, tailoring, welding and many others. The girl students are taught agriculture, dressmaking, domestic science, laundering, plain sewing, vocational training and others. They may graduate with the degree of B.SC.
Was this really a Come-Up?
"Segregation is that which is forced upon inferiors by superiors. Separation is done voluntarily by two equals... The Negro schools in the Negro community are controlled by whites,... the economy of the Negro community is controlled by whites. And since the Negro... community is controlled or regulated by outsiders, it is a segregated community...Muslims who follow the Honorable Elijah Muhammad are as much against segregation as we are against integration. We are against segregation because it is unjust and we are against integration because [it is] a false solution to a real problem." Malcolm X, WUST interview, May 1963 ON INTEGRATION
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What is the point of your post? I don't think I get it.
I wrote a long comment, but I deleted it.
I think I'll let you answer MR first before I say my piece.
Hey M.
Hey Big Man.
Nah, Bra.
Speak your mind. Feel free.
Is that Rodney King in the front Row on the right?
Nah, but really....as a disclaimer, please don't turn this into a DuBois-style vs. Booker T.-style debate....because that is the false choice that we learned about (if we were lucky enough) in High School.
So, I think the significance of the post as I've peeped this site recently is that it is smart to consider that pre-integration, we did have some decent ways of going about things. Things which somehow got totally discarded when we decided that the way to progress was to integrate business, education, etc....and start comparing ourselves and our successes to Euros. Folks have been brainwashed to turn a cold-shoulder to Tuskegee and all the stuff that I'm glad my wife can do! So, I suppose the post is bait to see if people hate on Tuskegee.
Some background first, just to see if I got this correct.
So back in 1940, black folks were being admitted to learn the "3 R's" (presumably reading wRiting, and aRithmetic--which are prerequisites to matriculate at most junior high schools), then they are taught a trade, attached to a "Bachelor of Science" degree. A Bachelors degree for brick laying. Let me know if I got this correct before I comment.
What's happening H.
Welcome to the spot.
"things which somehow got totally discarded when we decided that the way to progress was to integrate business, education, etc...."
Well.
The thing is ... "we" ... didn't decide the way to progress was to integrate.
Someone else made that decision for us.
Our hand picked leaders presented it to us as if it was not only the best path ... but a religious crusade.
"So back in 1940, black folks were being admitted to learn the "3 R's" (presumably reading wRiting, and aRithmetic--which are prerequisites to matriculate at most junior high schools), then they are taught a trade, attached to a "Bachelor of Science" degree. A Bachelors degree for brick laying." DMG
Yeah.
D.
I guess you could put it like that.
Fair enough. Seems like you are almost equating the Civil Rights movement with the Snake in the Garden of Evil, tempting poor black folks with thoughts of achieving more than just domestic, and servants jobs.
Are you saying black folks should have been content "in their place" laying bricks and cooking food for white folks, just as long as they could brag to other black folks by pointing to their "degree" on the wall?
Perhaps those black folks at Tuskegee Institute aren't worried about "being up underneath white folks" because they are content with their "place".
"Are you saying black folks should have been content "in their place" laying bricks and cooking food for white folks, just as long as they could brag to other black folks by pointing to their "degree" on the wall?" DMG
No.
I'm saying black folks could have laid bricks and built homes.
They could have built schools.
They could have built businesses.
I'm saying that teaching a man to fish feeds him for a life time.
I'm saying that the Civil Rights movement taught Negros to get jobs ... made them employees of white folks ... which is what we have today.
Unless they've been laid off or outsourced already.
I'm saying that the grandchildren of those men taught to lay bricks in the 40's could own and operate construction companies today.
I'm saying there would be no need for "Affirmative Action" and "Quotas" if we had staid on the path we were on.
I'm saying YOU ... DMG ... were taught to be content "in your place" prescribing drugs for white folks ... so you could brag about your MD "degree" on the wall.
I'm saying there is as much dignity ... actually much more ... studying agriculture and operating a farm growing healthy food ... than slanging toxic drugs for Big pharmaceutical companies.
"I'm saying black folks could have laid bricks and built homes."
Some did just that. But why build a separate parallel society? That just makes it easier to marginalize. At the end of the day, even the Quakers have to trade with the "outside" world.
"I'm saying that the Civil Rights movement taught Negros to get jobs ... made them employees of white folks ... which is what we have today."
But going to college just to learn to lay bricks for the white man (and that's really why these colleges were built) is no better.
Lay off the cheap shots for a moment and stay on point, this is an interesting topic.
But since you mentioned my MD, let's go with that. If we had remained on the path of laying bricks, and cooking for white folks, who was going to lay the wire for those homes? Who was going to perform surgery on those black folks in the parallel society (I'll even spot you and say it's for a trauma)? Who was going to represent them in court in business disputes, or if they are accused of a crime...because they STILL live in the United States. And if they have a parallel society, why not just make their money devalued in the rest of the United States?
In my previous corporate position with Mega-corrupt company, we tried to take over the operations of the town and the University of Tuskegee. In was then I learned the real deep and sometimes non publish history of this place that might set some light to the unknown unknowns DV discusses in Tuskegee.
Why was Tuskegee built?
" During Reconstruction recent ex-slaves were elected to political office under a Reconstruction state government. Whites, believing that they had not only lost the Civil War but would lose control of their community, organized to intimidate and drive out black political leaders between 1870 and 1874, when the election of governor George Houston symbolized the end of Reconstruction in Alabama. Reconstruction provided whites with the example of what would happen again if blacks ever gained political power.
After the violence of Reconstruction came a detente of sorts when whites, fearing that blacks might leave the county in such large numbers that the labor force would be depleted, sought to achieve "Perfect Quiet, Peace and Harmony"--a white conservative's phrase--in race relations, in part by providing training schools. As has long been known, Tuskegee town fathers cooperated with Booker T. Washington in 1881 to found the Tuskegee Institute as a trade school, operating on the model of Hampton Institute in Virginia."
Washington's realistic approach and his generally beneficial efforts for his race did a lot to move things forward, however despite the presence of both Washington and George Washington Carver, the Institute actually did little for agriculture and the black farmer in Macon County.
Beginning with Washington and continuing through the term of his successor, Robert R. Moton, both Institute officials and Tuskegee whites worked to create a harmonious "model community" based on the separation of the races. Nevertheless a black civil rights movement of sorts never ceased between 1870 and 1972. During his lifetime Washington was continually protesting anti-black state legislation, the poll tax, and in particular the disfranchisement of voters, both black and white, in the conservative State Constitution of 1901.
The hidden conflict surfaced anew in 1923 when a Veterans Administration Hospital for black soldiers was located in Tuskegee, and whites sought to control the key administrative positions. When they failed to do so, the long-term state senator from Tuskegee, Richard Holmes Powell, lamented that "The Negroes are gradually taking things away from us by contesting every inch of ground, refusing all compromise, and fighting to a finish." Eventually the Veterans Hospital employed 1500 blacks with high-paying jobs. "In that base of economic independence,lay the potential for challenging conservative control of Macon County." Ironically, educated blacks with economic independence, two main themes of Booker T. Washington's teaching, proved to be the key to success of the civil rights movement in Tuskegee.
Other things should be taken into consideration- IT WAS THE TRUE BIRTHPLACE OF THE ORIGINAL CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
"It was about power: whites trying to keep control of their society and blacks seeking more autonomy. In a larger sense, it was the story of two communities, one white and one black, in the painful process of merging into a single if different community."
In the 1940's blacks and whites fought an intense battle as to who would control political offices in the City of Tuskegee, Ala., and the surrounding County of Macon.
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It was in 1941 that the softspoken Tuskegee Institute sociologist, Dean Charles Gomillion, organized the Tuskegee Civic Association, a group of black men and women, to achieve "civic democracy" by pressuring the Macon County Board of Registrars to enroll blacks as voters. The very first civil right movement in the US.
The actual drive for voter registration started on an almost innocent note when Charles Gomillion, vouched for by two whites, registered to vote in 1939. He did so in part to secure paved roads and better water and sewage facilities for the black residential areas around the Institute. Gomillion was a gradualist who felt that by cooperation between black and whites some kind of "civic democracy" could be achieved. It is ironic that the progressive disillusionment and political education of Gomillion, who, by the 1960s, had been replaced by a more militant black leadership which sought full power and not shared power. But until the 1960s it was Gomillion and the Tuskegee Civic Association who led the fight for registration, who instituted a successful boycott of local merchants, and who insisted on a gradual approach.
Also in 1941 with the coming of World War II, a third major force of potentially discontented blacks appeared in Macon County when Tuskegee Institute President Frederick Patterson persuaded the federal government to locate an Army Airforce Training Field in Tuskegee, a move the NAACP denounced as continuing segregation in the armed forces.
There goes you NAACP fighting for integration again.
Segregation between white officers and black trainees-many of the latter from the North and the Midwest-and conflict between black military police and white county police threatened major disruptions. A sense of escalating crisis developed as blacks from the Institute, the Hospital and the air base challenged the Board of Registrars in federal court in the case of Mitchell v. Wright. When the Board of Registrars resigned or registered white voters clandestinely, Governor James Folsom managed to find a religious farmer, W. H. Bentley, who believed all men equal in the sight of God, to serve as Registrar. Bentley registered 449 blacks in 1949, but was soon removed, and voter registration slowed again. It was paradoxically however, as white candidates came to depend more and more on black votes to be elected, the two sides had actually stopped talking to one another.
When white Mayor Richard Lightfoot got the state legislature to pass a law redefining the city's boundaries so that most black voters would be excluded, the Civic Association responded by imposing a successful boycott on white merchants. Then in 1958 the newly formed United States Commission on Civil Rights heard evidence on voter discrimination in Tuskegee and ordered fuller registration. Meanwhile in Gomillion v. Lightfoot, the Supreme Court struck down the law gerrymandering the city's boundaries. The very first US case.
The crusade came to an end, as it were, in 1972 when newly registered blacks, now the majority of voters in the County, elected blacks to nearly all the city and county offices as well as representatives to the state legislature. Best known among the winners were Lucius Amerson, a black sheriff who had held that office since 1966, and Johnny L. Ford, a former worker for Senator Robert Kennedy and Vice President Hubert Humphrey in the presidential campaign of 1968, who became Tuskegee's first black mayor.
However if you see Tuskegee today you would find it to be the poorest city in Alabama (almost third world) and it would make Detroit look like the best place in the world. Very sad to have this much history.
Wax,
Strangely I was just thinking about you yesterday, had wondered where you'd wandered off to. Interesting read.
The approach promoted at Tuskegee seems to be rubbing DMG the wrong way because we were taught that it was better to be an "educated" Negro than "get a good trade". Again, the false choice between the talented 10th and trade-school. Ya'll playin’-up that false dichotomy. It doesn't matter. The assimilationists were "run" by whites....Tuskegee was funded by whites. Both "camps" were being "led"....whatever. You can support your family strong via a corporate job or by laying bricks.
What the post makes me think of is that college dreams don't matter much when prison is the new trade school...and that it sure wasn't "assimilation" that kept our women from teaching their daughters about "domestic science".
Ya’ll arguing that black-nation vs. integration stuff…doesn’t matter. It’s 2010.
Thanks for the concern DMG.
Been quietly studying epigentics for 3 weeks on a spiritual retreat. UCBM episode really helped me examine some other things that I really wanted to look into, therefore I just took a break from the daily grind. All is well.
Not taking shots D.
Believe it or not.
Really trying to illustrate a point.
"... working for white folks ..."
requires a bit of self examination.
Just because one has a "degree" or an "MD" doesn't mean one is not working for white folks.
Hell.
In this day and age it almost guarantees it.
Colleges do not teach entrepreneurship.
Black doctors do not make black people healthier.
They do the same thing white doctors do.
Execute Big Pharma / Government policy.
As far as women are concerned ... the Plantation education system has conveyed to sisters that the "word" domestic is beneath them.
Consequently we have a nation of women who can create Powerpoint presntations but don't know how to breastfeed.
Brother H.
I think your analysis is too simple.
It is not the Trade vs. Literature dialectic.
It's a classroom of black students.
It's black instructors.
It's a black institution.
It's a black president.
It's no need for "discrimination lawsuits."
It's no need for busing.
It's no need for Federal troops to escort black girls to class as they get spat on.
Integration would have come eventually.
When it did it would have been more of a merger of equals than the absorption of hat-in-hand refugees.
Hotttttt Waxxxxxx!
My Man.
As always ... edifying.
DV, I agree. Integration failed. Black nationalism was a stronger position. PPT skills, but can't breastfeed. I Love it. Classic line. But I never mistake a good line for a real argument. I'm sayin that I didn't really know what the argument was about because it all started sounding like the same ol'. Hell yeah my analysis was simplistic. I was trying to state the obvious.
The post attracted me because I want to know if we think that ideal of black sufficiency is attainable today...if so, does it include Harvard and trade school? Fathers teaching sons? Women returning to the home? Currently, prision is the place that our young men learn trades that they'll never use outside...and corporate brothers can be so spiritually bereft that the phd may matter just as little as that plumbing certificate from San Quientin. That picutre asks me those questions....but it doesn't spark a debate in my mind about failed integration. That case has already been tried. We lost.
"The crusade came to an end, as it were, in 1972 when newly registered blacks, now the majority of voters in the County, elected blacks to nearly all the city and county offices as well as representatives to the state legislature. Best known among the winners were Lucius Amerson, a black sheriff who had held that office since 1966, and Johnny L. Ford, a former worker for Senator Robert Kennedy and Vice President Hubert Humphrey in the presidential campaign of 1968, who became Tuskegee's first black mayor.
However if you see Tuskegee today you would find it to be the poorest city in Alabama (almost third world) and it would make Detroit look like the best place in the world. Very sad to have this much history."
Uh, that was entirely predictable. Once you kick out all the productive White host worker bees & replace the leadership all Black parasites - you have sentenced it to becoming a 3rd world slum within 30 years. Exact same thing happened to Detroit.
Which is exactly why those old Whites fought to keep Blacks out. They knew exactly what would happen if more were let in and allowed to dictate policies. And they've been proven right in every instance since then.
Go read about Detroit or the Black parts of Kansas City now. They're so bad the mayors are proposing bulldozing half the cities.
Ah say segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!
And...
Ah LOVE this DV Negro.
I hate it when people discuss black progess without acknowledgement of broader economic and social trends. White folks walked away from those rust belt cities because there was no money left there to make. I don't see white folks giving up cities that are still economically viable, like New York, Atlanta or Los Angeles. Sure, they may or may not have ethnic political leadership, but white money and leadership never abandoned those cities. I don't know why folks here think the idea of black leadership is so toxic that they actually chased away money.
Now what black leadership is often guilty of is no vision for the future. Or thinking of using whatever resources are available in progressive terms. But hell, bulldozing half of Detroit sounds like a good idea. Farming in downtown might be the smart solution there.
MOTI,
I'm fine with the shots, I just don't want to go off on a tangent. Tuskegee back then was what it was. It's what adult night school classes are today. Again, all that is fine. There's nothing wrong with laying bricks, but let's recognize for whom we were being taught to lay bricks. And let's say you are an extremely smart high school kid, with dreams of studying physics or architecture, or medicine or anything else. But let's say your parents don't share your plans and are more interested in putting your hands than mind to work. Then you have someone who could have bested Einstein laying bricks making 25cents/hour. You are approaching this from an us versus them vector. You keep saying building "our", etc. Like I've said a long time, as a citizen of this country--built on the backs of my ancestors--I want the WHOLE FUCKING country, not huddling in some black corner with some parallel society. So let's take your points:
"Colleges do not teach entrepreneurship."
Sure they do. But that's if you are a business major and actually WANT to learn some of those principles. You seem to want it to be the focus of every major. If I'm studying molecular biology, I might not really be interested in building a business.
"Black doctors do not make black people healthier."
1. you keep using the term "black doctors" like some veterinarian specialty. I am a DOCTOR who was born and will die a black man. I treat human patients. Period.
2. We treat disease. I personally treat conditions that are amenable to surgical intervention. People are unhealthy because of the choices THEY make. Fork to mouth, smoking, doing drugs, sitting in front of Playstation, not exercising etc. I help them make course corrections. You continue with this false argument that I'm responsible for your daily choices. I can tell you all the things you need to do to stay healthy, but it's up to you to follow through.
"They do the same thing white doctors do."
No shit.
"Execute Big Pharma / Government policy."
Seriously, get off that soapbox. If I have a patient who is dying in the ICU with a hypertensive crisis, you would have me listen to some uneducated cat trying to sell his herbs and spices, rather than give him Hydralazine. That's not government policy, it's medicine.
Now, can we get back on point?
Just as I thought, this did degenerate into a DuBois v. Washington argument. I thought you were going for deeper meaning with the pics, which is why I asked from the beginning. I guess there was not much to see.
DV Do YOU live in an all Black neighborhood?
As to the essence of the post...we obviously need people who can conceive of a design for a building just as much as we need people to build the building. Duh. This is not rocket science.
Seems you are attracting some interesting opinions here. "oldwiseguy" has some interesting things to contribute....
Black People Before "The Civil Rights Movement" (They Don't Seem All That Worried About Being Up Underneath White Folks)
Jim Crow afforded them no choice in the matter.
Which is exactly why those old Whites fought to keep Blacks out. They knew exactly what would happen if more were let in and allowed to dictate policies. And they've been proven right in every instance since then.
Go read about Detroit or the Black parts of Kansas City now. They're so bad the mayors are proposing bulldozing half the cities.
lol,
Big Don is as historically ignorant at "denmarkvesey" as he is when he rants racist pseudoscience at subrealism.
Jackson County in which Kansas City MO. is located has experienced 32% population growth since 1990 - but -2% job growth.
Four successive outmigrations of wealthy and upper middle class residents:
1. Nutter & Co. pioneer restrictive housing covenants in Kansas City and J.C. Nichols pioneers planned communities including the first shopping center in the U.S. - launches first wave of human capital and capital flight.
2. Ike and his National Highway system, the GI Bill, and Brown v. Board prompt second wave of human capital and capital flight.
3. Fair Housing Act of 1968 prompts third wave of Black human capital and capital out of Kansas City's urban core.
4. Out in Johnson County Kansas, the so called Blue Valley region which boasts the wealthiest school systems in the entire U.S. - a major tax avoidance practice springs up in the mid 1980's making that area the wealthiest per capita are of the U.S. for nearly a decade - and provokes the final round of human capital and capital flight from Kansas City's urban core.
To me this is more an issue of classism than racism. Rich white people in these areas do not send out memos to other white folk telling them its time to leave. But its the same with our culture. Rich black people do not invest enough time or energy into advancing those less fortunate than them, often enough, and unless there's some sort of press involved.
Also, universities are in the business of creating a proletarian class of worker drones. Because of our industrialized society and capitalism this is almost necessary as you are going to have some people that have and some that "have not".
Ultimately, black people do have to take it upon themselves to develop more of an entrepreneurial spirit, but at the same time, we must maintain a level of quality and professionalism with our business so that they are not just "black" businesses, but American business, viable to compete with other companies in their industry.
To me this is more an issue of classism than racism. Rich white people in these areas do not send out memos to other white folk telling them its time to leave.
Well R,
You came very close to the truth of the thing, but then blurred it back into a philosophical rather than scientific approach with the gratuitous nod to "isms".
As a matter of fact, white flight in the U.S. was a very carefully and specifically engineered phenomenon which had its origin with an identifiable technical point source who happened to reside in Kansas City.
You could almost say it WAS communicated via memorandum from one set of rich white folks to another. That is in fact precisely how it spread from city to city after it was pioneered, hereabouts. A truly vast and ultimately diversified banking fortune was built on precisely this sales, marketing and development memorandum.
sadly the detail is behind a paywall, but I can at least point you in its direction if you're interested. Vast fortunes were made off this neat little trick of selective social engineering.
Sorry bout the paywall again R, but I don't want you to lose track of the facts of the matter and go to thinking about them as something "classist" which just happened. It's never that simple.
Many studies have examined the role of racial prejudice and discrimination in the creation of racial residential segregation in US cities. Yet few researchers have situated early twentieth-century meanings of race and racism within broader processes of urban development and the emergence of the modern real estate industry. Using a case study of Kansas City, Missouri, this article examines the organized efforts of community builders and homeowner associations to create racially homogeneous neighborhoods through the use and enforcement of racially restrictive covenants. Racially restrictive covenants encoded racial difference in urban space and helped nurture emerging racial prejudices and stereotypes that associated black residence with declining property values, deteriorating neighborhoods and other negative consequences. I argue that the cultivation and development of this segregationist ideology was simultaneously an exercise in the racialization of urban space that linked race and culturally specific behavior to place of residence in the city. As the twentieth century progressed, the identification of black behavior and culture with deteriorating neighborhoods became an important impetus and justification for exclusionary real estate practices designed to create and maintain the geographical separation of the races and control metropolitan development. I conclude with a discussion of how the linkage between race, racism and urban space helps to explain why racial residential segregation remains a persistent and tenacious feature of US metropolitan areas despite the passage of fair housing and numerous anti-discrimination statutes over the past decades.
You could almost say it WAS communicated via memorandum from one set of rich white folks to another. That is in fact precisely how it spread from city to city after it was pioneered, hereabouts. A truly vast and ultimately diversified banking fortune was built on precisely this sales, marketing and development memorandum.
I never raised a point if rich white people communicated with other rich white people. That's not classism. Also, KC wasn't a city full of rich people. So, unfortunately, you didn't bring any real stats to the table. In fact the case study you brought up is irrelevant because it doesn't necessarily mean that white people moving out and black people moving in is causal to the deterioration of the neighborhood.
I'm not really sure what's the point you're trying to make tho'. Are you blaming white people for black people's not owning their own businesses or not being in more agricultural businesses?
"into a DuBois v. Washington argument" MR
No Mahndisa.
No discussion at DV.net is like discussions anywhere else.
And this has nothing to do with DuBois or Washington.
All of you missed it.
It doesn't matter what they were studying or what the immediate circumstances of life in pre-war Alabama happened to be.
The operative point of the piece is that black people were ED U CA TING THEMSELVES.
Designing their own curriculum.
Self-actualizing.
Self-affirming.
Not being led like a pack of helpless defenseless monkeys by altruistic others.
Implicit in the "demand" for forced school racial integration is a request that others educate your children for you.
It is insane to expect others to empower your people.
Where in history has that ever happened?
Black People did not decide to "integrate".
That decision was made for us:
“Any leadership that teaches you to depend on another race is leadership that will enslave you.” MMG
Naw I didn't miss it but that is what it looks like to me. And it's true that when you cannot control your educational structures and information then you are fucked. But that isn't only relegated to Black people, you might say that about the entire world!
Like I said we need architects as well as builders to make a society work. The neat thing is that Tuskegee has a pretty good natural sciences dept, or at one time did pretty well for itself in the sciences. George Washington Carver was at Tuskegee at the turn of the century and helped to usher in WAAAAVES of Black scientists and intellectuals in addition to vocational workers. Nothing wrong with that imho.
Frankly it would be nice if high schools, junior highs and colleges taught real life skills. Don't you find it odd that the compound interest equation is usually introduced then glazed over rather quickly?
They want us all to stay ignorant of these pernicious structures of oppression...
DV, please answer this question. Are you in favor of repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act?
HBCU's?
All of them want to be bosses but none of them are leaders.
The whole system needs to be restructured so that some of the lower performing schools act as JC's, others should remain four year universities, and the finest could be specilized schools of engineering, business, medical studies and so forth.
But as each wishes to imagine itself as the preeminemt source of learning - many seem to be failing.
"Don't you find it odd that the compound interest equation is usually introduced then glazed over rather quickly?
They want us all to stay ignorant of these pernicious structures of oppression..."
Are you saying this equation is glossed over only in black schools?
Not sure where YOU went to junior high school, but I don't recall this being glossed over.
Legions of junior high kids suffer through mathematics. Black, white and "other". I don't know who you think the ubiquitous "they" are, but I doubt there's an well organized conspiracy to keep black kids ignorant.
Really, DMG? I still have a 7th grade history book calling John Brown A LUNATIC!!! Are you serious?
How long did it take for Malcolm X to get on a postal stamp? (not that a post stamp is some merit of honor) ONLY AFTER, rap music and Spike Lee AGGRESSIVELY inserted him into contemporary culture. Before that happened, it was a conspiracy. He would have never been acknowledged like that. In this society information & personalities are only recognized due to a support system. Without any support system, it just becomes an idea or personality on a shelf collecting cobwebs.
…two congressional reports, one made in 1915 known as the Walsh Committee Report, the other printed in 1953 as the summary the aborted Reece Commission. Both reached the same conclusion 38 years apart-American schooling has been largely the creation (and ongoing management) of a group of private corporate foundations.
...societies of the past, the arts of education were divided into two: liberal and illiberal. The liberal arts taught man how to think correctly, and the illiberal arts taught him how to earn a livelihood. Traditionally, they were called illiberal because they implied servitude as opposed to the liberal arts of a free man. Astonishingly, our universities give bachelor and master degrees in the liberal arts (BA and MA) when, in fact, it would be more appropriate to call these degrees bachelor’s of illiberal arts and master’s of illiberal arts (BI and MI), as they are pursued for economic purposes and not for intellectual or spiritual ends. Even our elementary, middle, and high schools train students in the illiberal arts, constantly reminding them that they need “knowledge” to get ahead and life and be successful, intimating clearly that “real” success is measured by monetary accomplishments. Meanwhile, the media tells these same students that the most successful people in society are not the academically gifted-not the men and women of high ideas, transcending concerns and insight-but those gifted in entertainment, sports and business. We have become producers and consumers as opposed to homo sapiens, literally “knowing men.”
-Educating your Children in Modern Times
George ole buddy, here's the only nigger I love more than DV.
http://cofcc.org/2010/04/pastor-manning-black-people-hate-white-america/
DV, please answer this question. Are you in favor of repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act?
DV, please answer this question. Are you in favor of repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act?"
MB, I have no interest in the "1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act" either way.
It is an abstraction.
Fiction.
An illusion.
Sentiment attached to a piece of paper.
The Patriot Act has more impact on my life than any "1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Acts" passed 50 years ago.
The "1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act" gave me nothing other than the right to participate in the illusion that the legislative, executive and judicial branches of this country actually governed the laws of this country.
I don't. I think the banks that control our money regulate the affairs of this nation.
I am of the opinion that these "Acts" and "Proclamations" and "Movements" are theater designed to distract the ignorant masses.
Our people were held up as the poster children for Group Entitlement, while others robbed the nation blind.
MB, please answer this question.
Are you in favor of reaffirming the "1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act"?
Why?
MB, I have no interest in the "1964Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act" either way.--DV
What you are interested in was not the question, although I think you're lying. If you are truly not interested in this legislation one has to wonder why are you engaged in this diatribe against civil rights.
Are you in favor of repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 1968 Fair Housing Act?
I will answer your question and challenge some of your points when you answer my question.
DV is my man. The syncopate intrusion of civil rights into the apologetic particulate of generic social adhesion is mostly effeminate plasticity.
In other words, civil rights, civil nights, civil shytes.
And...
I LOVE this Negro
"What you are interested in was not the question, although I think you're lying." MB
Oh come now MB.
You trying too hard.
Fuug I got to lie to you about?
Since you are acting like you didn't understand to avoid answering a question that was out of your pedestrian paradigm, I'll make it a bit more clear:
To Hell With A Civil Rights Act. I think that kind of shit is an opiate for Plantation Negros.
I'm not engaged in a diatribe against "Civil Rights", I'm illustrating the consequences of allowing outsiders to dictate strategy - enslavement.
Your knee jerk sentimental defense of anything labeled "Civil Rights" is evidence of the degree of mind control and mass conformity exercised by those who have been pulling your puppet strings.
DV, DV, DV, brah man. I can’t imagine why such a simple question causes so much stress and evasiveness. What are you afraid of brah man?
Black People Before "The Civil Rights Movement" (They Don't Seem All That Worried About Being Up Underneath White Folks) – DV
Way to run the white supremacist line brah. Neither Pitchfork Ben Tillman, nor William Shockley, nor Connie Lynch could have said it better. The happy, docile, slave mentality prevails. There’s no evidence of drapetomania here. No wonder you’re being praised by George C. Wallace. I can’t wait for George Lincoln Rockwell to add his 2 cents.
I'm illustrating the consequences of allowing outsiders to dictate strategy - enslavement. – DV
Dayum, those outsiders be some tricky bastards. They tricked Mrs. Parks into being arrested. They tricked E.D. Nixon and Jo Ann Robinson into using the Parks case to organize a boycott. They tricked those simple negroes in Montgomery into organizing an Improvement Associated, and tricked them into electing a young minister, whose small church sat in the shadows of the Alabama state capitol to lead that organization. Clearly there was no evidence of kujichagulia amongst the Black folks of Montgomery in 1955-56. Just a group of inferior people being tricked by liberal white supremacists.
To Hell With A Civil Rights Act.—DV
I think that’s a reaction formation, but I’ll play along. Look brah, this is the closet you’ve come to calling for a repeal of this Act. Come on brah. Don’t be afraid. Take the next step.
I think that kind of shit is an opiate for Plantation Negros.—DV
The real opiate is that “rub your titties” type of garbage you post periodically. Remember, in America, entertainment is the opiate of the masses.
Your knee jerk sentimental defense of anything… -- DV
Knee jerk? Son, I’m straight outta KMT—the master of cerebral balance. Ausar + Auset = Heru. Ain’t nothing knee jerk here.
Makheru,
Be careful brah. I met a one Miss D. Crenshaw from Montgomery Alabama.
She is one of the most respected Civil Right Advocates from the State and is about a couple years younger than Rosa Parks (She knew her personally and intimately and also grew up with her) ; you can look her up through the SCLC. She was also one of Coretta Scott King's best friend (One of the few person know to tell coretta, " to shut the hell up and stop your complaining." :))
I had the pleasure of having lunch with her 3 years ago.
She dropped a bombshell on me.
She said that brothers had been refusing to sit in the back of the bus and refusing to give up their seats for years before Rosa did (including herself).
Men, women, children. They got beaten, thrown in jail, kicked off -you named it. I think she said one brother even got killed for it.
Back to the Bombshell?
She said that Rosa was hand picked for the event. Staged. Manufactured. Scripted. She said that Rosa was a weak person with not much fire and that she worked for a very rich jewish couple who helped arrange the protest . Miss Crenshaw said half the older people to this day resented the story and hate the hero portrayal of Mrs. Parks who they thought was protected and did not get humiliated like they did.
Sounds familiar. Wag the dog- Brah. Wag the Dog.
HW we all know that she wasn't the first to sit on the bus and that it was staged. But did that take away from the power of her actions on a national scale?
She represented a Black woman who was sick and tired of socially enforced bs. Her image is enduring.
Somebody called? Here I am. Now, what this Negro DV say?
Oh, repeal the "civil rights" act and let us white folks off the hook by blaming everything on the Jews?
Gosh, I LOVE this DV Negro!
She said that Rosa was hand picked for the event. Staged. Manufactured. Scripted. She said that Rosa was a weak person with not much fire and that she worked for a very rich Jewish couple who helped arrange the protest. -- Wax
Staged. Manufactured. Scripted. Ha! Dayum, DV where do you find these dudes who are so obsessed with Jews? They must have visions of being lashed by Judah Benjamin and of Golda Meir with an Uzi in their nightmares.
Well Wax, I met the icon herself, Mrs. Rosa Lee McCauley Parks, a small woman with an aura of dignity and courage and I believe her and the documented history. "I did not get on the bus to get arrested. I got on the bus to go home." Now was she prepared to resist Apartheid? Absolutely!
Staged? I suppose E.D. Nixon was just playing his role when he was informed by his wife that Mrs. Parks had been arrested by asking, “What was she arrested about?”
“She worked for a rich Jewish couple?” Got a name brah man? Mrs. Parks’ was employed as a seamstress for Montgomery Fair department store. She earned additional income sewing for many people including Clifford (of Alabama patrician descent and his class president at U of A) and Virginia Durr (the daughter of a Presbyterian minister). Are the Durr’s your imaginary Jews?
“She said that Rosa was a weak person with not much fire.” – Wax
I think your wax has melted. No weak African American joined and held offices in the NAACP in Alabama in 1943 as Mrs. Parks did.
“She said that brothers had been refusing to sit in the back of the bus and refusing to give up their seats for years before Rosa did (including herself).” – Wax
Of course, this is documented history. Four Afrikan American women (Aurelia Browder, Claudette Colvin, Susie McDonald, and Mary Louise Smith) were the plaintiffs in Browder v Gayle, which led to the Supreme Court ruling outlawing bus desegregation in Montgomery.
OBTW, I don’t see a D. Crenshaw mentioned in any of the history of the Montgomery Bus Boycott that I’ve read, but oviously not every participant was documented.
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