Oliver Gillie
Times Online
March 17, 2010
The risk of children suffering from flu can be halved if they take vitamin D, doctors in Japan have found. The finding has implications for flu epidemics since vitamin D, which is naturally produced by the human body when exposed to direct sunlight, has no significant side effects, costs little and can be several times more effective than anti-viral drugs or vaccine.
Only one in ten children, aged six to 15 years, taking the sunshine vitamin in a clinical trial came down with flu compared with one in five given a dummy tablet. Mitsuyoshi Urashima, the Japanese doctor who led the trial, told The Times that vitamin D was more effective than vaccines in preventing flu.
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Actually that's not what the article says (you know...that piece of paper with the raw data and methods on it?. Read it for yourself.
They also say there was no decrease in Influenza A in kids with asthma (who are thought to be more susceptible).
They even say right here in the article:
"The major limitations of the present study were a
1) small sample size
2) lack of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D data
3) lack of urinary calcium data
4) lack of information on the
presence or development of influenza A antibodies"
"we did not measure serum antibody concentrations to influenza at the beginning or the end of the study.
Thus, we do not know how many mild and asymptomatic forms were included in the study population"
So let me also ask you this: How many of those kids got a flu vaccination?
Please point out the paragraph if I've missed it. I just did a once over on the article...which seems to be more than what you did.
asthma?
Whaaaa?
Doc.
Stop it.
You can't be serious.
You are not arguing against the value of Vitamin D ... are you?
You are not arguing against the value of sunlight ... are you?
WTF?
I mean man ... what do they do to you in Medical School? Teach you to worship the devil?
Sunshine ... is snake oil?
Listen. The study. Think about it.
Other than this ... "Only one in ten children, aged six to 15 years, taking the sunshine vitamin in a clinical trial came down with flu compared with one in five given a dummy tablet."
What do you need to know?
I'm arguing against your misrepresentation of the article.
YOU DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING STUDY, SO QUIT WITH THE BULLSHIT.
The study is weak at best. It did not account any of those kids getting vaccinated...actually the words vaccine and vaccinated weren't even in the paper. And here you come completely misrepresenting the article. Would you be touting this article if it came out that the Vitamin D group were also all innoculated against Influenza A? No...I think not.
At least he is citing a study this time. The fact that they admit to the methodological failings means they conducted honest work that can be expanded upon in the future.
"YOU DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING STUDY, SO QUIT WITH THE BULLSHIT."-DMG
Highly rational behavior coming from someone who claims to be a doctor. Real mature.
Dv, Rock Creek press is our last newspaper in the country that tells it like it is.
In Feb their investigated journalism turned up this little gem.
"In “Infection Deception I” we explained in detail how — in the very midst of an alleged flu pandemic — the federal government has been actively suppressing purveyors of antiviral herbs and other immune-boosting natural substances in the form of intimidating legal notices sent to numerous companies, most of them small herb retailers.
One of these letters was sent to high-profile, bestselling physician Dr. Andrew Weil. As with each of the vendors of these natural substances; Weil was ordered by the FDA to “cease and desist” from selling an astragalus herbal formula.
Our own investigation discovered that the FDA sent such warning letters to a total of 70 companies. The banned methods of preventing or treating H1N1 swine flu include the use of well-known herbs such as echinacea and elderberry, pinecone extract, oil-leaf extract, devices such as air filters, and even vitamin D. "
What?
Actually M ... I'm not siting a study.
I'm siting the obvious.
Vitamin D.
Sunlight.
Winter.
Indoors.
Deficiency.
Weakened System
Flu Symptoms.
Rest.
Strengthen Immune System.
Back At It.
The "Study" was just an excuse to make you A students acknowledge the obvious.
Hot Wax!
Infection Deception?
Gotta peep that.
Dr. Julie Gerberding, ran the CDC till 2009. Ushered in the H1N1 "Pandemic" Nonsense.
Rubber stamped the purchase of billions of dollars worth of H1N1 vaccines with tax payer dollars ...
which now sit dormant in warehouses all around the world ... now she works for the biggest drug dealer in the world ... heading their VACCINE DEPARTMENT.
DMG should be stoned for trying to scare black people into taking those toxic dangerous untested pharmaceutical PRODUCTS ... just because the CDC told him to do so.
No Shame.
Funny thing is he is calling natural maca and cacao and bananas "snake oil" ... while monkey virus juice drips out of his nose.
Could you imagine if maca was causing guillain barre? Could you imagine the shit he would be talking?
But here he is DEFENDING products known to cause neurological damage.
Mahndisa,
I could care less. Your opinion is meaningless to me.
MOTI,
You didn't get your point across. Your logic is flawed, and we already debunked this one months ago, why are you bring it up again? Remember the whole thing about latitudes? If your hypothesis were correct we would expect to see a greater incidence of influenza in northern latitudes. And less near the equator. We don't. Recall all those folks who died in Mexico last spring, when there was alot of sunlight in Mexico City?
Anyway, you again made a grand statement and couldn't debate your side. Don't you tire of getting shut down?
You are the one pushing lies and snake oil, and you want to stone me?
Actually Maca, cocoa and whatever is food, and is fine if it's safe to eat. It doesn't become snake-oil until you start saying that it heals everything, and making other bogus claims. You give it a bad name, not the food.
You may rhyme now.
"DMG said...
Mahndisa,
I could care less. Your opinion is meaningless to me"
Sure it must mean something otherwise you wouldn't have responded, albeit in a foul and nasty fashion. You come here and contribute very little. Like I said before if you really are a doctor, which I doubt, you would likely be giving information and analysis without so firing off so many immature, infantile and foolish insults.
True professionals with confidence in their craft do not behave so negatively when asked to qualify their statements. The very behavior you accuse DV of is exactly what you have done and continue to do.
Someone engages you politely and respectfully and then you go off the deep end and make it a point to fire off insults. This is unbecoming of someone as 'important' as yourself.
Well DV whenever you make claims about particular substances, it always is helpful to see documentation on the substances. Sometimes the documentation can take on very interesting forms, whether in the form of testimonials or ancient Codices that contain some apothecaric recipes.
Maca has been used for centuries. This longevity of use DOES provide evidence that it is a useful substance.
There has been a bit of research done on maca root because the anecdotal evidence was so STRONG that it worked for various ailments, particularly in the reproductive tract. Here is a paper entitled:
"A double-blind, randomized, pilot dose-finding study of maca root (L. meyenii) for the management of SSRI-induced sexual dysfunction" by Dording CM, Fisher L, Papakostas G, Farabaugh A, Sonawalla S, Fava M, Mischoulon D.
An excerpt:
"Maca was well tolerated. Maca root may alleviate SSRI-induced sexual dysfunction, and there may be a dose-related effect. Maca may also have a beneficial effect on libido."
Here is some evidence that maca root stimulates sperm creation.
See this link for more papers on maca root
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