I tend to identify with the outsider. Poor, gay, fat, Muslim, whatever I imagine myself (or now that I'm a dad, my daughter) in that extremity and rationalize what would I want for justice. So something like waterboarding strikes me as abhorrent because I could picture what it would be like to be tortured. Or if Sidibe were my daughter I think how would I react if I read the passages above. Now I know that is not how most self-professed Christians feel. They believe in submission to immutable laws. That's why I'm an apostate.
Now if DV or II actually worked with the morbidly obese or whatever label Thordaddy prefers then they would have credibility with me. But they don't. Call me a Plantation MD or Negro MD or sell-out, soft, sucker, bleeding heart, politically correct, passive aggressive or whatever you want. But I'm in the ring nearly everyday. I'm actually talking to mothers about their overweight kids and telling them not to by soda and soft drinks or if they absolutely must then make it Diet Dr. Pepper or Sprite Zero or V-8 Fusion Light. I'm telling guys to make and pack their lunch to work the night before rather than order out and to start with 12 minute walks three times a week and build up in 3 minute increments each week to reach a goal of 30 minutes. I literally tell them that they will end up in a nursing home by the age of 40. I don't tell them that they are are disgusting heifers defiling God's temple. That's just not helpful. If you have personal experience showing otherwise I'd like to hear it.
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It seems wrong to take his personal testimony and highlight the I's as if he was totally self absorbed. That ain't right. How does sharing a bit from personal life experience make everything about him? It doesn't. If we don't learn from our personal experiences then what is the point of living?
Psychological projection or projection bias is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.
Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves. Humor has great value in any attempt to work with projection, because humor presents a forgiving posture and thereby removes the threatening nature of any inquiry into the truth.
You missed an "I":
"Now I know that is not how most self-professed Christians feel."
Thanks KW.
You know a brother used to walk around with mad Bible verses in his head back in the day but they're all fuzzy and nearly gone now. The one KW made me recall was the one in Paul's letter to Corinthians, I think, about how one can possess all gifts but if they lack charity......
Sub said
"I tend to identify with the outsider. Poor, gay, fat, Muslim, whatever I imagine myself (or now that I'm a dad, my daughter) in that extremity and rationalize what would I want for justice. So something like waterboarding strikes me as abhorrent because I could picture what it would be like to be tortured. Or if Sidibe were my daughter I think how would I react if I read the passages above. Now I know that is not how most self-professed Christians feel. They believe in submission to immutable laws. That's why I'm an apostate"
Sub, I agree with you on how most Christians behave, but I don't think it's because of a belief in immutable laws.
I think it's because seeing the world from another perspective is hard.
The Bible says:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Love thy neighbor as you love yourself."
Both of those scriptures, which are key scriptures, tell folks to do exactly what you say you do. I can't see how following those scriptures would make you an apostate.
Anyway, I think that personal insults are never necessary. But, I understand why folks handle their business like that because I'm guilty of doing it myself.
I wasn't going to comment on this issue, but I think slinging insults at a morbidly obese girl is trite. Howard Stern isn't showing any bravery in doing that, hell, I'm sure worse is said everyday on urban schoolyards across the country. At least it was when I was growing up as little fat boy.
I think you treat people with kindness because that's how you want to be treated. You can tell folks hard truths with kindness. You can discipline with love.
Everybody with a child should know that.
Sub,
I hope you weren't thanking me for an edit on your writing - it was meant for DV's cute bold post-up.
The section you're referring to is of charitable gifts in 1Corinthians 13 v 1-13. A Lauryn Hill song on The Miseducation of L. Hill also comes from and I used to read this Chapter alot in '04.
Maybe these verses are what you refer to:
"If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth.
"You can discipline with love."
Big Man is the truth! Bottom line.
^^Now that's what I call church. Thanks for the verses and clarification KW. I think the omission was significant.
Damn KayDub...
That's the verse I was looking for.
I've given away homes, cars, money and time - but I lack compassion and charity.
Thanks.
Subby,
I also admire your stance as an ER doctor who also tries to heal spiritually also. I think that the video below is very healing at the end of the day- can bring insight to a lot of the drama that was and is still out there and has not been cleaned up. CNu turned me on to "TED talks" and I have now become a fan of them, but I know if I mentioned any of this stuff without the credibility of a " TED like" construct he would call me a new age type mugga fugga :), therefore here is my chance. I think that Neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor experience holds a lot of relevance to the vibe everyone needs to try to get too after yesterday's workout. How it feels to have a stroke.
I am just saying.
Keep up the good spiritual work.
Namaste.
Submariner,
Your basic problem is that you want to get particular which is very illiberal of you. Those outsiders as you call them are in reality HIGHLY MAINSTREAMED by the sheer force of the dominant liberal orthodoxy. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. You are mainstreaming the DEATH of the particular. If PRECIOUS is really a beautiful Hollywood talent then what is beauty? If this child could die at any moment WHY say she's beautiful? Is being close to death at such a young age beautiful?
Your experience with your father HAD NOTHING TO DO with mainstreaming DEADLY LIFESTYLES. Precious, whether she is conscious of her role or not in this application of extreme liberalism, is the attempt to mainstream MORBID OBESITY and call it BEAUTIFUL.
In this light, "PRECIOUS" deserves a strong public rebuke. "Disgusting heifer" does EVERYTHING to highlight the insidious nature of this exploitation and oh-so subtle culling.
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