Whatever your definition of 'a sista' is, you are saying that any woman who really loved and was there for her man would've been with him when he made that speech. But I submit that if he had found his soulmate, he wouldn't be cheating around in the first place. You don't serially cheat on your soulmate because there is no need whatsoever to do so. None.
People cheat because of their own insecurities and also because of some type of LACK in their personal relationship. If they got everything they needed in their relationship, they'd have no need to cheat.
Heh! It's a dick thing you say?!!! Only for a weak man who cannot imagine his woman would do any better than the chick throwing the pussy at him at the moment.
If, on the other hand, he is trained like a Pavlovian companion to automatically think of his fine lady at home and how fly she is...then despite the temptation he should be able to shrug off such situations.
If he cannot shrug it off then the following is true: 1.his lady isn't as fly as the ho seducing him at the moment 2.he's fucked up and has no judgment... 3.He's a sex junkie who has no self control.
But if it was (3), it could be argued that sex junkies are too immature to have soul mates.
Mind you, I am not talking about times when there are weaknesses in the relationship and the man runs to someone else for sex and or comfort either; again a situation where something ain't right in his relationship.
Or despite the sincerity of his commitment: (1) It's nuthin' but the dawg in him. (2) Forbidden fruit tastes that much sweeter.
A dog always strays but comes back to it's Master (or Misuss in this case). Sometimes it is just about the sex and never develops beyond that, because there's a woman whose got his heart on lockdown.
Smart women can spot a dawg and if they can't deal with it they walk away; those who can, stay. Elin had the headsup from way back when and she's been dealing with it since...Me, I bruise easy, I'd've walked.
Exactly. She knew what was up and likely had her own motives. After all, what woman (unless she is a swinger or into alternative sex lifestyles) would tolerate that!
Young, rich, relatively handsome men tend to have more than one partner sexually anyway.
Always actually.
With a few notable exceptions.
Maybe this concept of "cheating" needs to be reexamined.
Male sexual fidelity is an accomplishment, not a given.
It involves a man overcoming his will.
The only institutions with any track record, with any demonstrable results, in that effort are the world's great religions, when practiced by great men.
Mass religion has been replaced with mass secularism.
The secular priests are "psychologists".
Thus the charade of attempting to "fix" Tiger "psychologically" at a mind control clinic.
Sex is a powerful force. Either we control it or it (and woman) controls us. Like Samson, Woods forfeited his power for sex.
Men are fighting a powerful meme created by the banker-owned mass media. Although sexual attraction is part of a natural instinct to propagate, the media has turned it into an entertainment, therapy and commodity.
It proclaims anonymous sex is an end in itself, meaningful and liberating. Men have been programmed by media culture as much as by our hormones. We need to question the assumption that young women and sex are the be-all and end-all. A man's work should be his primary focus.
It's time we deconstructed anonymous sex. Somehow, females have gotten the upper hand. Much like the diamond cartel, they have hoodwinked males into thinking that a commodity as commonplace and plentiful as p---y is rare and precious. It's not. In Andy Warhol's words, "Sex is the biggest nothing in the world."
I'll never understand why a man would owe a woman for sexual gratification. Why shouldn't she owe him? Sex is just as necessary for her. What fools men are. Don't they know that all cats are gray in the dark?
The excitement for a man is a woman's response to him. How responsive can a woman be to a hook-up? How satisfying can it be if, as in Eliot Spitzer's case, the meter is running? In anonymous sex, both parties are miming what they think should be happening, rather than admitting that the experience is empty and degrading."
but that's also the fundamental distinction between animals and humans, i.e., the capacity to reflect upon and reshape instinctual tendencies (animal) in accordance with one's knowledge and will (human).
all real religious praxis centers on the observation and overcoming of "urges" - and belief in the possibility of psychological development.
"I'll never understand why a man would owe a woman for sexual gratification. Why shouldn't she owe him? Sex is just as necessary for her. What fools men are. Don't they know that all cats are gray in the dark?"
Because men experience sex differently to women. We are built differently. Trying to invoke an equality=sameness analysis of sex between the genders only leads to greater misunderstanding.
"but that's also the fundamental distinction between animals and humans, i.e., the capacity to reflect upon and reshape instinctual tendencies (animal) in accordance with one's knowledge and will (human)."
Nah.
If that were the case. Cats wouldn't cloned factory pigs.
Tiger mastered an utterly meaningless and frankly absurd game (golf is one of the purest examples of evil conspicuous consumption) - exhibiting a discipline and dedication sufficient to make him something spectacular (a superb martial artist)
simultaneously - Tiger exhibited less than an infantile capacity to discipline and develop himself.
Tiger is a study in evil American infantilism - the kind of Devil's workshop for which denmarkvesey's apologetics invariably yield an embarrassment of exhuberant ignorance, irrationality, extremism, and epic fail....,
first of all, if he had been married to a sista we would not be having this discussion.
before any of the saltine whores had their shine moment, i would have had the press stop by the house and let them know that all was well, that my husband and i were dealing with our private business privately and that any woman who felt she had a claim on my husband or his assets should come and see me.
i would not have allowed ANYONE of them to cause me pause. i would have known that my husband had the propensity to stray. he and i would have already had a conversation about it.
...my husband and i were dealing with our private business privately and that any woman who felt she had a claim on my husband or his assets should come and see me.
Oh, they don't usually go to see the wife if they feel they have a claim. The smart ones stick to seeing the husband only.
When your philandering man's ways produce numerous pregnancies are you going to tell the women to abort or are you going to say you will take these babies as yours because You are Standing by your man?
Yeah TGN, if married people have arrangements with one another I'm all for it. However, with Tiger Woods, what he did was dishonest and deplorable. Otherwise Elin would have stood by him when the news first broke of the allegations and told the press to mind their business. He didn't seem to have the level of maturity and honesty necessary to be an ADULT in a relationship. Again due to his own inadequacies and some in his relationship as well.
KonWomyn: I've known women in abusive relationships and I'm sadly sure you have too. Most certainly women who choose to stay with men (or women) who whip their asses are masochists. In the truest sense of the word. They've placed their perceived love for their abuser above their own well being. That is masochistic and self effacing.
DV: I am so sick and tired of this mantra that 'boys will be boys' when it comes to married men's infidelities. This attitude trivializes the marriage vows and waives personal responsibility the man ought to take and puts it on 'he is a man and has no control over his dick'. That is utter bullshit and Cnu hit it on point. Men should be able to control themselves if they are hit with pussy and are married. And to keep things going, the wife needs to keep herself fly and together so that her man won't think about straying when confronted with temptation.
Whenever my husband tells me that gals flirted with him at work, but he paid them no nevermind because he has ME, that makes me feel so special and that is the way it OUGHT to be between married couples. And like I said, I ain't knocking alternative arrangements, but they must be entered into with open and honest hearts with mature ADULTS not immature little boys who don't know how to keep their dick in their pants!
Mahndisa, Yea I've known some women in abusive relationships some of whom are very close to me and masochistic is not the word I'd use to describe them. Confusing abuse for love is what it is, but subconsciously enjoying the abuse is a misinterpretation. Being caught up in the cycle of abuse as love does not mean one wants to be a victim. I'm sure the English language has a vocab large enough to find a more appropriate word. If not then words will have to be strung together cos an abused woman is not a masochist, neither is a woman who's repeatedly cheated on, some kinda poster-girl for approving extra-marital affairs.
Okay KW,it isn't right to speak in generalizations and language can be daunting. Living in a place where alternative lifestyles are common, I've seen a fair amount of masochists and I'm convinced some of these women who allow a man to whip their asses due fit the definition of a masochist. Others, however, are confused and very mentally ill...
Maybe these women are getting something out of the deal too?
As my Grandmother used to say "Fair Exchange Aint No Robbery".
The myth of the hapless, idiotic woman "trapped" in an "abusive"relationship with some out of control male brute, is a cliche from The Lifetime Channel.
Men are as often injured physically in domestic situations as women.
Ok Mahndisa I hear ya, that is def some twisted behaviour, iCant even begin to understand that.
DV:
"The myth of the hapless, idiotic woman "trapped" in an "abusive"relationship with some out of control male brute, is a cliche from The Lifetime Channel. "
Drawing on extreme, antiquated stereotypes to disregard domestic violence is called reaching.
"Men are as often injured physically in domestic situations as women."
That's news to me. Cases of men being injured by their partners are rising, but I didn't know men and women were neck n neck... Musta missed that broadcast on The Mythical Channel.
Yeah it does seem like in domestic violence the men usually overwhelmingly are doing the beating to the women. But there is also the subset of women who thrive on the fight, will instigate her dude, he hits her, then they fuck. I've seen this masochistic behavior firsthand among friends. Some people like the drama.
On the other hand for the men who are straight up BEATING their women, no DV the woman is a hapless, twisted person in that situation.
It takes two to tango in a scuffle. But it only takes one to knock somebody's ass on the ground.
Anyway, I'll touch on the points, forgive if it's too vague, I got to go back to my work.
-After women reluctantly tear themselves from those abusive relationships the good guys finish last
-Men don't experience meeting women the way women are hit on by men
-Men aren't hit on by women daily. That is a rare occurrence. When we get married it's a shock when women turn around and become aggressive. It's like a Bazarro world. What realities we understood about women, all of those rules chang overnight. I wouldnt call it immaturity unless a Negro has had an interest in studying women which usually only occurs only because he's been trying to perfect his game, since generally women aren't attracted to men based on his moral principles alone. Which is cool, but one can't complain when their choice turns out being more of a rebel than what they can tolerate.
Not casting any blame on your man Em-Are, but when those females toss around advances, why would he be wrong if he was like,"B!tch! Didn't I tell your monkey a$$ I was eff'n married you stupid nincom-fugg'n-poop!" Well that would be socially "inappropriate." So he ignores it chuckles it off until Rosorio Dawson is transferred into that joint. Not saying he would fall, but EVERYTHING HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE.
What man would worry his wife about the woman that is more attractive to him than his wife? Doesn't mean she is more important. It never begins, like, "Honey, Baby, there is this woman I work with that is incredibly gorgeous. In another lifetime I would be with her in a heart beat, but I promise you that I won't sleep with her."
Nope, just one day they get into it because he won't leave you and she calls you talking about, "Tell so & so to come get his clothes from my house."
Not YOU but how these situations go down sometimes. It's like you argue for food enjoying the experience of food. Well I'm sure that is for more than one food not just one signature dish. It's like having a favorite food that is not only nutritious for you but delicious. Then there is that pastry or sweet that you cheat with from time to time. It's a crude analogy but that is how it CAN be for men. Marriage for a man means the final decision FOREVER. "Old ball & chain" an ugly term in western culture but an expression of sentiments.
Clearly GeeChee you just haven't met the one yet. Rosario Dawson? Puleeze! That isn't my husband's type (I just showed him a picture. She's a bit thin for him. He thinks Vanessa Williams is prettier. Go figure he likes thick light skinned chicks like me). He likes me and I like him.
Attractions are simply that; admiring beauty is simply that. Sean Connery is attractive. Denzel is attractive. Vanessa Williams is attractive. You don't have to screw everything you deem attractive. This is where maturity comes in.
If you are truly sexually and emotionally immature then you will falter, but if you have emotional intelligence and maturity then you can overcome the temptation.
You almost sound like men who are sexually inexperienced. I don't know how old you are, but in my generation it wasn't a big deal to have women ask guys out. Maybe its a California thing. I dunno. And it could be social orientations. My husband was in a fraternity in college. I had a wild side. Both of us have sowed our oats. Perhaps that is the moral of the story; be mature enough to know when you are too immature to be in a committed relationship!
..A mature man understands the cost of acting cavalierly with his dick and can weigh the costs versus the benefits.
Could you not have called in a dose of oxytocin for men
or prescribe some vasopressin for the brother.
What would we do without medical science? See the videos below; They have an explanation and the solution for all of your aforementioned comments :). TW failure was chemical and it has nothing to do with any of what you think above. Smell you later. Enjoy!
BTW, TW just hit the 4 year mark.
Rig it seems that you also love the lab coat research homeboys - so I guess that your colleagues also are just telling me my 25 years is bs and will soon be going downhill.:)
Well, then it goes back to the food issue, you don't have to eat everything that you find delicious.
I hear you about attraction though, but you've seen the women Prince put in Graffiti Bridge & Under the Cherry Moon. What was that? Kobe...how did that white girl look? That bucktooth gremlin Shaq had? What is the reasoning in their selection process. You are imagining how men think. Men like them dope ones, but most men will get the convenient ones. Everybody won't hit lotto.
Now because Gee-Chee speaks in broad strokes doesn't mean my medium is acrylic on canvas like them other artists. Gee-Chee mixes his own paint, makes his own paper. I don't understand "sexually inexperienced." Are we talking body counts? Ain't racing anyone. Referring to game? Been cornered in Petra Sprecher's (Cirque Du Soliel;Quidam) & Rita G's bedrooms. My experience has been what dudes wish for not what's in the club or on campus.
Selectivity is my repertoire. I've never been that cat downloading drum kits. Naw, I'm the one your kids calling you into father's study to see on tv setting flames to a '63 Stratocaster.
"What is the reasoning in their selection process. You are imagining how men think. Men like them dope ones, but most men will get the convenient ones. Everybody won't hit lotto."
Heh! You have a point it isn't about the chick that looks like a superstar all the time. Sometimes it is the chick who puts out and is, well, easy! And as I alluded to before, it could be an issue of emotional availability; a gal that seems to understand the guy if he is experiencing a lack in his marriage...
Hey, I am sure many of us have screwed around with someone who ain't the best looking before. I don't think that was the point of what I was saying...the point is that if a man has discipline he'll learn to keep his dick in his pants if he values his marriage.
In fact, if a man is so immature that he cannot be monogamous in a traditional marriage he can choose not to get married, find an alternative arrangement with an equally freaky chick or live a lie and get married and serially cheat on his woman without her knowledge or consent.
People are so damned dishonest. If a guy feels like he cannot commit to just one chick, he ought to be honest about it. Shit!
As to sexual inexperience I only said that because you said you weren't used to girls initiating sexual advances towards you or rather most guys...as a woman I've seen a lot of gals chase men but like I said I live in CA and moved from the Bay Area a few years back to the Valley. In the Bay it can be hard to land a good, STRAIGHT, man so women are ruthless and can be aggressive with the dudes.
In the end though, I hope that people learn to make decisions based upon their character. You cannot turn a ho into a housewife and you cannot turn a cassanova into a monagamous married man; UNLESS these types experience a true change facilitated by discipline and finding a true soulmate(s).
Hey, I'm only saying this from personal experience. I used to think I could never ever be monogamous to anybody because I was so greedy for the carnal pleasures all the time. I took an oath of celibacy for almost two years and it helped put things into perspective. I just wanted to have a positive relationship with someone without sex getting in the way of true emotional intimacy. And lucky for me, I found my husband in a physics class. We developed a relationship based upon a meeting of the souls. After a few years, we got married. From thinking I could never be monagamous to where I am today is a total surprise to anyone who used to know me. But it is because I found the right person.
KW, like I said Dawson isn't my husband's type. He wouldn't be with a girl like me if she was;)Actually, I had never heard of her before GeeChee mentioned her in the previous comments.
And to be sure, monogamy for marriage is what I was referring to in the context of Tiger Woods. But I also said that alternative arrangements can be made between married couples if they are honest with each other and not inclined to be monagamous.
But given the gravity of Tiger Wood's public humiliation and statements to the public, it is quite clear that he and his wife did not have an alternative arrangement. Otherwise this wouldn't have been news.
No. He crafted this squeaky clean family guy image which was inconsistent with his actions and it bit him in the ass. He would have been better off not marrying or getting into some different shit...
As to there being a genetic basis for cheating, hell...there is a genetic basis for anything and everything; some are hardwired as instincts. But what makes us humans so great is that we use our brains and develop discipline. Without discipline in a relationship it will not flower and it will not last.
As is patently obvious from both these fictions, what looks good to you, is probably not good for you - and there's no way in the world she's as fly as the made up by committee hollyweird constructs designed to elicit a strong psycho-sexual urge that she has been cast as in the movees.
That's just the artful marketing of urges.
A conscious man - involved in a long-term happy marriage with children - has no choice but say no - no matter how powerful the temptation of the urge.
There are too many "conscious and happily married" men with their pants at their ankles.
It's good to hear brothas like you CNu who can control the urges of the flesh and unreservedly speak against that nonsense.
Mahndisa, "As to there being a genetic basis for cheating, hell...there is a genetic basis for anything and everything; some are hardwired as instincts....Without discipline in a relationship it will not flower and it will not last."
It was a litte further up, but The Good Nurse's point was missed completely. The point was, whatever she told her husband, or the "saltine whore" who chose to present herself, would be between them and not available for public consumption. So hypothetically, the answer to your question, would have been "NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS." Maybe that's why Nurse didnt respond. LOL.
exactly. point sorely missed. tiger's wife was not unaware of this "character flaw"....she chose to make believe it did not exist. not condoning the poor choices of tiger at all, but elin was never in the dark. tgn
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Whatever your definition of 'a sista' is, you are saying that any woman who really loved and was there for her man would've been with him when he made that speech. But I submit that if he had found his soulmate, he wouldn't be cheating around in the first place. You don't serially cheat on your soulmate because there is no need whatsoever to do so. None.
"You don't serially cheat on your soulmate because there is no need whatsoever to do so. None." M
Happens everyday.
People cheat because of their own insecurities and also because of some type of LACK in their personal relationship. If they got everything they needed in their relationship, they'd have no need to cheat.
Nah Mandhisa... sometimes it's just a dick thang.
Heh! It's a dick thing you say?!!! Only for a weak man who cannot imagine his woman would do any better than the chick throwing the pussy at him at the moment.
If, on the other hand, he is trained like a Pavlovian companion to automatically think of his fine lady at home and how fly she is...then despite the temptation he should be able to shrug off such situations.
If he cannot shrug it off then the following is true:
1.his lady isn't as fly as the ho seducing him at the moment
2.he's fucked up and has no judgment...
3.He's a sex junkie who has no self control.
But if it was (3), it could be argued that sex junkies are too immature to have soul mates.
Mind you, I am not talking about times when there are weaknesses in the relationship and the man runs to someone else for sex and or comfort either; again a situation where something ain't right in his relationship.
Or despite the sincerity of his commitment:
(1) It's nuthin' but the dawg in him.
(2) Forbidden fruit tastes that much sweeter.
A dog always strays but comes back to it's Master (or Misuss in this case). Sometimes it is just about the sex and never develops beyond that, because there's a woman whose got his heart on lockdown.
Smart women can spot a dawg and if they can't deal with it they walk away; those who can, stay. Elin had the headsup from way back when and she's been dealing with it since...Me, I bruise easy, I'd've walked.
Exactly. She knew what was up and likely had her own motives. After all, what woman (unless she is a swinger or into alternative sex lifestyles) would tolerate that!
Or ...
Maybe ...
Young, rich, relatively handsome men tend to have more than one partner sexually anyway.
Always actually.
With a few notable exceptions.
Maybe this concept of "cheating" needs to be reexamined.
Male sexual fidelity is an accomplishment, not a given.
It involves a man overcoming his will.
The only institutions with any track record, with any demonstrable results, in that effort are the world's great religions, when practiced by great men.
Mass religion has been replaced with mass secularism.
The secular priests are "psychologists".
Thus the charade of attempting to "fix" Tiger "psychologically" at a mind control clinic.
Teaching him to be ... "sorry".
Slow motion castration.
Mahndisa said:
"After all what woman(unless she is a swinger of tolerates alternative lifestyles) would tolerate that!"
I don't know abt that. Is a woman who stays with an abusive man into a li'l S&M?
Women stay for various reasons. I know some who've put with that and I know some men who are sex cheats but still love their women.
DV's boy Henry Makow chimed in on Woods:
http://www.henrymakow.com/tiger_woods_-_a_lesson_for_all.html
"DE-FANGING SEX
Sex is a powerful force. Either we control it or it (and woman) controls us. Like Samson, Woods forfeited his power for sex.
Men are fighting a powerful meme created by the banker-owned mass media. Although sexual attraction is part of a natural instinct to propagate, the media has turned it into an entertainment, therapy and commodity.
It proclaims anonymous sex is an end in itself, meaningful and liberating. Men have been programmed by media culture as much as by our hormones. We need to question the assumption that young women and sex are the be-all and end-all. A man's work should be his primary focus.
It's time we deconstructed anonymous sex. Somehow, females have gotten the upper hand. Much like the diamond cartel, they have hoodwinked males into thinking that a commodity as commonplace and plentiful as p---y is rare and precious. It's not. In Andy Warhol's words, "Sex is the biggest nothing in the world."
I'll never understand why a man would owe a woman for sexual gratification. Why shouldn't she owe him? Sex is just as necessary for her. What fools men are. Don't they know that all cats are gray in the dark?
The excitement for a man is a woman's response to him. How responsive can a woman be to a hook-up? How satisfying can it be if, as in Eliot Spitzer's case, the meter is running? In anonymous sex, both parties are miming what they think should be happening, rather than admitting that the experience is empty and degrading."
It involves a man overcoming his will.
lol...,
it involves a man having control over his "urges"
period.
but that's also the fundamental distinction between animals and humans, i.e., the capacity to reflect upon and reshape instinctual tendencies (animal) in accordance with one's knowledge and will (human).
all real religious praxis centers on the observation and overcoming of "urges" - and belief in the possibility of psychological development.
everything else is conversation.
Hot Wax said,
"I'll never understand why a man would owe a woman for sexual gratification. Why shouldn't she owe him? Sex is just as necessary for her. What fools men are. Don't they know that all cats are gray in the dark?"
Because men experience sex differently to women. We are built differently. Trying to invoke an equality=sameness analysis of sex between the genders only leads to greater misunderstanding.
"but that's also the fundamental distinction between animals and humans, i.e., the capacity to reflect upon and reshape instinctual tendencies (animal) in accordance with one's knowledge and will (human)."
Nah.
If that were the case. Cats wouldn't cloned factory pigs.
Tiger mastered an utterly meaningless and frankly absurd game (golf is one of the purest examples of evil conspicuous consumption) - exhibiting a discipline and dedication sufficient to make him something spectacular (a superb martial artist)
simultaneously - Tiger exhibited less than an infantile capacity to discipline and develop himself.
Tiger is a study in evil American infantilism - the kind of Devil's workshop for which denmarkvesey's apologetics invariably yield an embarrassment of exhuberant ignorance, irrationality, extremism, and epic fail....,
"Young, rich, relatively handsome men tend to have more than one partner sexually anyway."
Direct question. Do YOU have more than one partner sexually?
Not judging, just wondering...and would your wife tolerate it and stand next to you?
@CNu - "it involves a man having control over his 'urges'..."
Nah, it's those damned symbiotic plants and germs taking over Tiger's self control...
first of all, if he had been married to a sista we would not be having this discussion.
before any of the saltine whores had their shine moment, i would have had the press stop by the house and let them know that all was well, that my husband and i were dealing with our private business privately and that any woman who felt she had a claim on my husband or his assets should come and see me.
i would not have allowed ANYONE of them to cause me pause.
i would have known that my husband had the propensity to stray.
he and i would have already had a conversation about it.
this blog post would not exist.
tgn
What does this white guy think of the apology?
Anything for money!
I heard he gave her herpes, so now she feels stuck with him? True?
...my husband and i were dealing with our private business privately and that any woman who felt she had a claim on my husband or his assets should come and see me.
Oh, they don't usually go to see the wife if they feel they have a claim. The smart ones stick to seeing the husband only.
To the Good Nurse,
When your philandering man's ways produce numerous pregnancies are you going to tell the women to abort or are you going to say you will take these babies as yours because You are Standing by your man?
Yeah TGN, if married people have arrangements with one another I'm all for it. However, with Tiger Woods, what he did was dishonest and deplorable. Otherwise Elin would have stood by him when the news first broke of the allegations and told the press to mind their business. He didn't seem to have the level of maturity and honesty necessary to be an ADULT in a relationship. Again due to his own inadequacies and some in his relationship as well.
KonWomyn: I've known women in abusive relationships and I'm sadly sure you have too. Most certainly women who choose to stay with men (or women) who whip their asses are masochists. In the truest sense of the word. They've placed their perceived love for their abuser above their own well being. That is masochistic and self effacing.
DV: I am so sick and tired of this mantra that 'boys will be boys' when it comes to married men's infidelities. This attitude trivializes the marriage vows and waives personal responsibility the man ought to take and puts it on 'he is a man and has no control over his dick'. That is utter bullshit and Cnu hit it on point. Men should be able to control themselves if they are hit with pussy and are married. And to keep things going, the wife needs to keep herself fly and together so that her man won't think about straying when confronted with temptation.
Whenever my husband tells me that gals flirted with him at work, but he paid them no nevermind because he has ME, that makes me feel so special and that is the way it OUGHT to be between married couples. And like I said, I ain't knocking alternative arrangements, but they must be entered into with open and honest hearts with mature ADULTS not immature little boys who don't know how to keep their dick in their pants!
Mahndisa,
Yea I've known some women in abusive relationships some of whom are very close to me and masochistic is not the word I'd use to describe them. Confusing abuse for love is what it is, but subconsciously enjoying the abuse is a misinterpretation. Being caught up in the cycle of abuse as love does not mean one wants to be a victim. I'm sure the English language has a vocab large enough to find a more appropriate word. If not then words will have to be strung together cos an abused woman is not a masochist, neither is a woman who's repeatedly cheated on, some kinda poster-girl for approving extra-marital affairs.
Okay KW,it isn't right to speak in generalizations and language can be daunting. Living in a place where alternative lifestyles are common, I've seen a fair amount of masochists and I'm convinced some of these women who allow a man to whip their asses due fit the definition of a masochist. Others, however, are confused and very mentally ill...
Or ... maybe it aint that simple M.
Maybe these women are getting something out of the deal too?
As my Grandmother used to say "Fair Exchange Aint No Robbery".
The myth of the hapless, idiotic woman "trapped" in an "abusive"relationship with some out of control male brute, is a cliche from The Lifetime Channel.
Men are as often injured physically in domestic situations as women.
It takes two to tango, fight, & fuug.
Ok Mahndisa I hear ya, that is def some twisted behaviour, iCant even begin to understand that.
DV:
"The myth of the hapless, idiotic woman "trapped" in an "abusive"relationship with some out of control male brute, is a cliche from The Lifetime Channel. "
Drawing on extreme, antiquated stereotypes to disregard domestic violence is called reaching.
"Men are as often injured physically in domestic situations as women."
That's news to me. Cases of men being injured by their partners are rising, but I didn't know men and women were neck n neck... Musta missed that broadcast on The Mythical Channel.
Yeah it does seem like in domestic violence the men usually overwhelmingly are doing the beating to the women. But there is also the subset of women who thrive on the fight, will instigate her dude, he hits her, then they fuck. I've seen this masochistic behavior firsthand among friends. Some people like the drama.
On the other hand for the men who are straight up BEATING their women, no DV the woman is a hapless, twisted person in that situation.
It takes two to tango in a scuffle. But it only takes one to knock somebody's ass on the ground.
Where is Colin Powell's apology for lying to the American public about WMDs?
@ Em-Are
I can't believe I just lost everything I typed.
Anyway, I'll touch on the points, forgive if it's too vague, I got to go back to my work.
-After women reluctantly tear themselves from those abusive relationships the good guys finish last
-Men don't experience meeting women the way women are hit on by men
-Men aren't hit on by women daily. That is a rare occurrence. When we get married it's a shock when women turn around and become aggressive. It's like a Bazarro world. What realities we understood about women, all of those rules chang overnight. I wouldnt call it immaturity unless a Negro has had an interest in studying women which usually only occurs only because he's been trying to perfect his game, since generally women aren't attracted to men based on his moral principles alone. Which is cool, but one can't complain when their choice turns out being more of a rebel than what they can tolerate.
Not casting any blame on your man Em-Are, but when those females toss around advances, why would he be wrong if he was like,"B!tch! Didn't I tell your monkey a$$ I was eff'n married you stupid nincom-fugg'n-poop!" Well that would be socially "inappropriate." So he ignores it chuckles it off until Rosorio Dawson is transferred into that joint. Not saying he would fall, but EVERYTHING HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE.
What man would worry his wife about the woman that is more attractive to him than his wife? Doesn't mean she is more important. It never begins, like, "Honey, Baby, there is this woman I work with that is incredibly gorgeous. In another lifetime I would be with her in a heart beat, but I promise you that I won't sleep with her."
Nope, just one day they get into it because he won't leave you and she calls you talking about, "Tell so & so to come get his clothes from my house."
Not YOU but how these situations go down sometimes. It's like you argue for food enjoying the experience of food. Well I'm sure that is for more than one food not just one signature dish. It's like having a favorite food that is not only nutritious for you but delicious. Then there is that pastry or sweet that you cheat with from time to time. It's a crude analogy but that is how it CAN be for men. Marriage for a man means the final decision FOREVER. "Old ball & chain" an ugly term in western culture but an expression of sentiments.
Clearly GeeChee you just haven't met the one yet. Rosario Dawson? Puleeze! That isn't my husband's type (I just showed him a picture. She's a bit thin for him. He thinks Vanessa Williams is prettier. Go figure he likes thick light skinned chicks like me). He likes me and I like him.
Attractions are simply that; admiring beauty is simply that. Sean Connery is attractive. Denzel is attractive. Vanessa Williams is attractive. You don't have to screw everything you deem attractive. This is where maturity comes in.
If you are truly sexually and emotionally immature then you will falter, but if you have emotional intelligence and maturity then you can overcome the temptation.
You almost sound like men who are sexually inexperienced. I don't know how old you are, but in my generation it wasn't a big deal to have women ask guys out. Maybe its a California thing. I dunno. And it could be social orientations. My husband was in a fraternity in college. I had a wild side. Both of us have sowed our oats. Perhaps that is the moral of the story; be mature enough to know when you are too immature to be in a committed relationship!
..A mature man understands the cost of acting cavalierly with his dick and can weigh the costs versus the benefits.
Damm DMG,
Could you not have called in a dose of oxytocin for men
or prescribe some vasopressin for the brother.
What would we do without medical science? See the videos below; They have an explanation and the solution for all of your aforementioned comments :). TW failure was chemical and it has nothing to do with any of what you think above. Smell you later. Enjoy!
BTW, TW just hit the 4 year mark.
Rig it seems that you also love the lab coat research homeboys - so I guess that your colleagues also are just telling me my 25 years is bs and will soon be going downhill.:)
Smell you later.
1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4rpafQEUaQ&feature=player_embedded#
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZKJ-jT-ls&feature=player_embedded
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ADuAO34v1s&feature=player_embedded
Become one with the prairie vole men. :)
http://thenewviewonsex.blogspot.com/2008/04/oxytocin-vasopressin-and-tale-of-two.html
Well, then it goes back to the food issue, you don't have to eat everything that you find delicious.
I hear you about attraction though, but you've seen the women Prince put in Graffiti Bridge & Under the Cherry Moon. What was that? Kobe...how did that white girl look? That bucktooth gremlin Shaq had? What is the reasoning in their selection process. You are imagining how men think. Men like them dope ones, but most men will get the convenient ones. Everybody won't hit lotto.
Now because Gee-Chee speaks in broad strokes doesn't mean my medium is acrylic on canvas like them other artists. Gee-Chee mixes his own paint, makes his own paper. I don't understand "sexually inexperienced." Are we talking body counts? Ain't racing anyone. Referring to game? Been cornered in Petra Sprecher's (Cirque Du Soliel;Quidam) & Rita G's bedrooms. My experience has been what dudes wish for not what's in the club or on campus.
Selectivity is my repertoire. I've never been that cat downloading drum kits. Naw, I'm the one your kids calling you into father's study to see on tv setting flames to a '63 Stratocaster.
"What is the reasoning in their selection process. You are imagining how men think. Men like them dope ones, but most men will get the convenient ones. Everybody won't hit lotto."
Heh! You have a point it isn't about the chick that looks like a superstar all the time. Sometimes it is the chick who puts out and is, well, easy! And as I alluded to before, it could be an issue of emotional availability; a gal that seems to understand the guy if he is experiencing a lack in his marriage...
Hey, I am sure many of us have screwed around with someone who ain't the best looking before. I don't think that was the point of what I was saying...the point is that if a man has discipline he'll learn to keep his dick in his pants if he values his marriage.
In fact, if a man is so immature that he cannot be monogamous in a traditional marriage he can choose not to get married, find an alternative arrangement with an equally freaky chick or live a lie and get married and serially cheat on his woman without her knowledge or consent.
People are so damned dishonest. If a guy feels like he cannot commit to just one chick, he ought to be honest about it. Shit!
As to sexual inexperience I only said that because you said you weren't used to girls initiating sexual advances towards you or rather most guys...as a woman I've seen a lot of gals chase men but like I said I live in CA and moved from the Bay Area a few years back to the Valley. In the Bay it can be hard to land a good, STRAIGHT, man so women are ruthless and can be aggressive with the dudes.
In the end though, I hope that people learn to make decisions based upon their character. You cannot turn a ho into a housewife and you cannot turn a cassanova into a monagamous married man; UNLESS these types experience a true change facilitated by discipline and finding a true soulmate(s).
Hey, I'm only saying this from personal experience. I used to think I could never ever be monogamous to anybody because I was so greedy for the carnal pleasures all the time. I took an oath of celibacy for almost two years and it helped put things into perspective. I just wanted to have a positive relationship with someone without sex getting in the way of true emotional intimacy. And lucky for me, I found my husband in a physics class. We developed a relationship based upon a meeting of the souls. After a few years, we got married. From thinking I could never be monagamous to where I am today is a total surprise to anyone who used to know me. But it is because I found the right person.
That is my soulmate. I will never cheat on him.
So he ignores it chuckles it off until Rosorio Dawson is transferred into that joint.
dayyum......,
urge control be damned if Rosario is in the equation!!!
"the point is that if a man has discipline he'll learn to keep his dick in his pants if he values his marriage"
...monogamy v infidelity/polygamy as an ideal to be strived for is not universal and depends very much on one's socialization and maybe, jst maybe genetics have a role to play.
...if temptation presents itself in the form of Rosario Dawson, I doubt many brothas wld not wanna have some o'that.
KW, like I said Dawson isn't my husband's type. He wouldn't be with a girl like me if she was;)Actually, I had never heard of her before GeeChee mentioned her in the previous comments.
And to be sure, monogamy for marriage is what I was referring to in the context of Tiger Woods. But I also said that alternative arrangements can be made between married couples if they are honest with each other and not inclined to be monagamous.
But given the gravity of Tiger Wood's public humiliation and statements to the public, it is quite clear that he and his wife did not have an alternative arrangement. Otherwise this wouldn't have been news.
No. He crafted this squeaky clean family guy image which was inconsistent with his actions and it bit him in the ass. He would have been better off not marrying or getting into some different shit...
As to there being a genetic basis for cheating, hell...there is a genetic basis for anything and everything; some are hardwired as instincts. But what makes us humans so great is that we use our brains and develop discipline. Without discipline in a relationship it will not flower and it will not last.
GCV a narrative fiend and I had to give him props for his taste and expository steez....,
but.I.jest.
There are no compromises.
There are NEVER any compromises.
EVER.
Not even for Rosario.
Death Proof Abernathy and Sin City Gail - are all that any of us know about this heiffah.
As is patently obvious from both these fictions, what looks good to you, is probably not good for you - and there's no way in the world she's as fly as the made up by committee hollyweird constructs designed to elicit a strong psycho-sexual urge that she has been cast as in the movees.
That's just the artful marketing of urges.
A conscious man - involved in a long-term happy marriage with children - has no choice but say no - no matter how powerful the temptation of the urge.
Get thee behind me Satan.
Nah, I meant it.
There are too many "conscious and happily married" men with their pants at their ankles.
It's good to hear brothas like you CNu who can control the urges of the flesh and unreservedly speak against that nonsense.
Mahndisa,
"As to there being a genetic basis for cheating, hell...there is a genetic basis for anything and everything; some are hardwired as instincts....Without discipline in a relationship it will not flower and it will not last."
That is the TRUTH.
Everything else...
It was a litte further up, but The Good Nurse's point was missed completely. The point was, whatever she told her husband, or the "saltine whore" who chose to present herself, would be between them and not available for public consumption. So hypothetically, the answer to your question, would have been "NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS." Maybe that's why Nurse didnt respond. LOL.
RJEsq.
exactly.
point sorely missed.
tiger's wife was not unaware of this "character flaw"....she chose to make believe it did not exist.
not condoning the poor choices of tiger at all, but elin was never in the dark.
tgn
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