"It needs to be proven safe, effective, and efficacious..."Does that apply to all plants, or just some herbs?
Have these herbs all gone through stage IV clinical testing?
Bananas
Apples
Spinach
Oranges
Watermelon
Cashews
Olives
Coconuts
Etc, etc
And if not, should the AMA, FDA, Merck & Monsanto allow doctors to recommend us to eat them?
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"An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
Isn't that malpractice (according to allopaths), considering I've never seen a clinical scientific study of the efficacy or safety of apples in a peer-reviewed medical journal?
So, what's the difference between an apple and taheebo?
You too smart and too brave not to have a nickname.
Come up with something to distinguish you from the intellectual and spiritual cowards.
^ I got a nickname for him: "Mr. Bullshit."
Because ain't nobody selling watermelons with the claim that they reverse cancer. Or selling cashews with the claim that they cure hemmorhoids.
Best believe that if someone were in business making such direct claims of medical efficacy for those foods, the feds would be all on 'em.
And thankfully so. Somebody's got to protect credulous idiots.
Unfortunately UBM, they are. Check out the Nutriceutical Industry. Multibillion dollar industry getting rich off of fear and pushing "natural". No oversight because they market food supplements, and only the very small fine print says the claims have not been evaluated.
This ain't new. Orin Hatch let this happen.
^ Oh well, DMG... natural medicine, natural selection, it's all good.
DMG,
There is no "cure" for disease unless one can control the mechanisms of evolution.
In the case of vaccines, the "cure" is actually the body's evolutionary reaction.
So what is the theory behind vaccine use?
"Because ain't nobody selling watermelons with the claim that they reverse cancer. Or selling cashews with the claim that they cure hemmorhoids."
But they are all sold with at least the claim that they are not only SAFE to consume, but healthy.
So, how are they allowed to make the claim they are simply SAFE to consume, without scientifically-rigorous $20 million clinical testing?
Hmm, genius?
Isn't that only possible with scientific testing published in peer-reviewed, corporate-sponsored journals?
And BTW, where are the scientific studies in peer-reviewed journals proving that mercury amalgams. thimerosol or trans-fatty acids were safe to put into people?
Yep FS you are correct and so is Submariner. It is foolhardy to look at science as being an end all be all, since its body of knowledge evolves. I cited a source that fell on deaf ears a few days ago. It basically said that most scientific studies produce inaccurate results and did a rigorous stats analysis to back it up.
The errors that contribute to this dismal rating are a lack of understanding of statistical principles in analysis, incorrectly applied analysis, poor study design, study results are taken and interpreted to reinforce bias of researchers and systemic flaws in study itself on many other levels. The most DAMNING statement was Corollary 5 in the paper which says that financial inducements to do research necessarily corrupt it.
If someone cannot see that profit motive and scientific research don't mix, then they are blind!
Look, if you don't understand the tools that you are using then how can you be sure that you are using them correctly?
Most pre med students only need to go to second level Calculus and then take stats. However, they don't tend to take calculus based statistics for math or physics students, they take the non rigorous version where procedures are taught but the underlying theory is not.
The underlying theory is important because not all stats tests are appropriate for every situation.
With that said, FS is totally reasonable. You cannot rely upon a peer reviewed journal for substantiation of everything. Hell if we did, everybody would likely be dead.
Int. Madison Square Garden -
night
Behind glaring lights we see a boxing ring. The noise from the crowd is thunderous.
After just one round, Undercover Black Man's corner just thrown in the towel.
^ DV... must you?
No. I mustn't.
Foolskool (are you the anonymous I was talking to earlier?),
How do you think these medicinal herbs work? Just give me the basics. You don't have to be specific.
If somebody pisses you off, make sure they get an ample serving or two of this swill here. A couple cups of this triple-leaf will make a muhphuggah bleed out through his sphinctorials. Most of the "herbs" contained in these chinese "cleansing" teas are seriously vile bowel irritants capable of inflicting shocking damage.
I think
bowel irritant is a common denominator in this particular category
Indeed Foolskool. And where are the studies proving that pouring tons of fluoride into our drinking water prevents tooth decay?
If that baloney were true, dentists in America would be outta business. But the medical and dental industries still insist on fluoridating water without an iota of evidence.
hilarious!!!!
You're right, II. What we need is an anti-cavity vaccine. You down wit' it?
LOL!! Dude, first I thought you were joking, but then I checked out the link and wow. Why am I not surprised?
All you secular science fundamentalists can take the vaccine. I'll continue to brush my teeth and floss.
II,
We still have our deal right? You remember...the one where you can't say that nobody told you...
I'll continue to brush my teeth...
With a flouride toothpaste, I hope. Seriously, II... flouride toothpaste in the past few decades has cut the number of cavities in places where they don't flouridate the water.
Or so the scientists would have us believe... **ominous minor chord**
Whether that is true or not, there is a HUGE difference between topical application of fluoride vs. drinking it, bathing in it, washing your produce in it (which you then eat), etc.
There is a reason the tube of toothpaste
tells you to call Poison Control if you swallow too much (more than a pea-sized amount)
Sodium Fluoride, the same stuff put in our drinking water, is the primary ingredient in rat poison.
Drink up UCBM. I'll pass.
II,
So you've never heard of water intoxication? You didn't realize ingesting (not aspirating into your lungs as in drowning) pure water, without any extra ingredients can also be deadly.
Maybe I'll start a thread on my site about all of the "natural, safe" things that can kill you. Thanks for the idea.
^ Iodine is poisonous too. But if they didn't put iodine in table salt, the public health would suffer greatly... because iodine deficiency leads to goiters and mental retardation.
Consider Kazakhstan. In 1999, only 29 percent of households in Kazakhstan were using iodized salt. As of 2006, 94 percent were.
The result? A drastic decrease in iodine-deficiency disorders.
Even though, as the New York Times reported, "[i]n some nations, iodization becomes tarred as a government plot to poison an essential of life -- salt experts compare it to the furious opposition by 1950s conservatives to flouridation of American water."
Thus is the eternal tug-of-war between science and rumor... between knowledge and ignorance.
I'm sorry, but wasn't it you two accusing others of not staying on point. LOL!! Comical.
Since you have nothing to offer on fluoride, we're now talking about "water intoxication" and iodine. That's cool though.
But since you brought it up, we don't use iodized salt either. There are plenny of natural, God-given food that naturally has iodine!.
Nothing like some really good sea salt to spice up a meal. We were using crappy iodized salt for years and had to put loads in our food. Then people wonder why hypertension is common (i'm curious if those Kazakhs experienced a corollary increase in hypertension). Got me some pink Himalayan sea salt and it requires a mere pinch to know it's there.
II,
I bring up water intoxication because it is the most "natural" substance on the planet...and it can kill you in more ways than one in great enough volume, or route of intake, in response to your comment on fluoride being poison.
Pay no attention to the sound of traffic behind you.
II,
Do you know what role "salt" plays in hypertension?
Also could you explain how your Himalayan sea salt would somehow not play a role in hypertension?
Also can you explain why your salt is pink? And where it was mined?
Curious minds would like to know.
"himalayan" + "sea" = dumbassed mark
"pink" = rust or other contaminants
"pink himalayan sea" salt - taken in its entirety, equals some nonsensical new-agey marketing horseshit - similar to the pseudo-scientific names applied to shampoo and conditioner (humectress botanicals) and critical to the 970% price markup levied on credulous, suggestible broads by unscrupulous fags running the haircare business.
II,
Actually, I'll tell you what. You provide me with the ingredients and reasons why your Himalayan Sea Salt is better than Morton's with iodide. I'll also provide an analysis. Just to be fair we'll only use comparable moderate doses of each. I'll post my information over at my soon to be resurrected blog. I'll have it up by tonight (I'm going to spend time with the wife and son, then do some reading right now). We can talk about Iodide/Iodine, and water intoxication too if you like. Or well any other health/medical topic (although I think we've done vaccinations and abortions to death by now, don't you think?).
You up for it II?
Ok, Anon's comment above was funny. Suggestible broads and fags running the haircare business.
As for DMG, settle down Doc. Not everything requires a study. You know why I like the Himalayan sea salt better?
Taste. It's that simple.
One pinch and the food gets a great flavor. Try it sometime. Or do you need a study before you eat something (which brings us back to original Anon's comment)?
II,
Every time you make a claim I'm going to ask why. If you want to spend your money on Sodium chloride + magnesium + copper + iron compounds, that's up to you of course, and I wish you health. I just like to know what's actually IN my food, and if I were a person who had really poor kidney function, that little tidbit about magnesium might come in handy.
... wasn't it you two accusing others of not staying on point. LOL!! Comical.
Yeah, I'm a funny muhfuggah, II. This is widely known.
But I was dead on point. The point being: three of the great boons to the health of human beings globally in the 20th Century -- flouridization of water, iodization of table salt, polio vaccines -- are all knocked by the very same type of person for the same irrational reasons: paranoid rejection of science and distrust of authority.
Have you ever seen (in the United States) someone under the age of 60 with a goiter? Or polio?
DMG,
It's too bad you don't apply that same skepticism to the tenets of medical faith. You might actually learn something.
UCBM,
The three tenets of the medical religion are so deeply ingrained in the psyche of conformists that you recite them without the least bit of basis for it. You take all of those things on faith.
Which is fine, but it's time to admit that your religious convictions are stronger than those whose beliefs you mock.
Which is fine, but it's time to admit that your religious convictions are stronger than those whose beliefs you mock.
uh, Dina...,
That shit you hard repping as "taste so good" is nothing other than standard pakistani rock salt.
Period.
Ain't nothing himalyan, sea, or special about it, except for the exceptionally high levels of iron rust and gypsum contamination.
Period.
More power to the paki-bidi towelies big-pimpin credulous westerners like they was haircare or fashion victims at ~$3.00/lb wholesale in 150lb bags.
In New Dehli, you buy that shit for 8 Rupeee's a kilo.
If you bought it wholesale in bulk in the U.S., you payin the equivalent of 325 Rupees for that same kilo of salt.
I don't think you buyin 150lb bags. So I speck you paying even more for that shit retail.
Assuming for the sake of discussion that you're being all mormon survivalist and shit and buying it at 150lbs a go - and then reselling the surplus to your neighbors, you'd STILL BE PAYING A 4000% per lb markup!!!!!
So here's what inquiring minds RELLY, RELLY, want to know?
Are you familiar with "cognitive dissonance"?
Could it be that that standard paki table salt tastes so gottdayyum good to you because you're paying the going market rate for salt extracted directly from Barack Obama's ball sweat???
Is that possible?
jes axin/sayin....,
Marketing is hypnotism.
Hypnotism only works on the suggestible.
Hypnotic suggestion is the cornerstone of dopamine hegemony.
Denmark Vesey is school....,
That, Mr. Nulan, was a sprezzatura performance.
“Himalayan Crystal Salt is salt in its native form, with all its vibrational energy intact...”
“I highly recommend you regularly use the Himalayan Bath Salt, because when you take a ‘brine bath,’ the Himalyan salt's healthy minerals are stored in the form of ions. This stimulation rejuvenates your skin...”
“Original Himalayan Sea Crystal Salt contains all the elements of which the human body is comprised. From the periodic table of elements we are familiar with 94 natural elements.... Apart from inert gases, all of these elements (84) can be found in crystal salt.”
PURE
B-Rock Ballsweat
vibrational energy
an shit
bathe in it bitches
tastes so good
accept no substitutes....,
rotflmbao...,
whew!!!
LOL.
Ahhhhhh ...
You Walmart eatin' muhfuggas is funny.
You Polo Ralph Lauren ballsweat eatin bee-hotches is funnier.
II,
My question is why you open yourself up like this, when you KNOW (and I KNOW you KNOW it DEEP, DEEP down) that you are going to be summarily clowned?
Why?
"bathe in it bitches...tastes so good...accept no substitutes..."
...as II quietly strolls to the kitchen cabinet to inspect her overpriced pink Pakistani salt.
Who knows maybe there's something about the mining process that makes it so special that it only "requires a mere pinch to know it's there...".
The level of farce achieved here threatens to exceed the Shakespearean summit. Please stop. My diaphragm can't endure much more. Oh Gawd!
rotflmbao.....,
Oh my God DMG, I'm so used to hearing all this faux ridicule and silliness from people like you, that it's hilarious.
What's even more hilarious is that a guy who admittedly needs to lose 50 pounds (and probably more) wants to clown my eating habits. Like I told my obese sister-in-law after she mocked my food choices, I don't pay attention to the health rantings of fat people. Lose 100 pounds Mills, then we'll talk.
I've never been overweight, my family doesn't get sick, we aren't on any medications. So whatever I'm doing WORKS - no matter how much ridicule it brings. If you're happy with your way, keep doing what you're doing. I'll do me.
As for DMG and my pigs-in-a-blanket-eating play cousin CNu - quit player hatin' because you can't afford the Pakistani rock salt. :-) Let me know when you're in L.A. and you'll have the healthiest, tastiest meal you've had in years at my house, pink Himalayan salt and all.
^ Shoot, II... I'm in L.A. I'll come over for a "brine bath" any time.
I hope you got a big-ass bathtub.
It's not big enough for you my friend.
But you should come over for dinner. Your body won't know what to do with all the unprocessed FOOD that it's been starved of all these years.
All that undigested nastiness in your colon might make a move. LOL!!
All that undigested nastiness in your colon might make a move. LOL!!
Well, there's 20 pounds gone right there!
II,
Look, in all serious, you gotta make the choices that's right for you. I take special interest in this because my own mother has fallen for claims from dubious types jumping on the natural bandwagon. The problem with some of these items is that there is very little or no regulation. Almost anybody can make a claim of natural, or organic or whatever. If nobody is regulating what's actually going INTO the bottle, it's buyer beware. So pink sea salt from the Himalayas may sound great. Great enough that Big Mama with chronic renal failure might think it's OK to use because it's "natural" and the man on the video said people from that area "don't get sick" etc. I've seen 3 patients recently with hypermagnesemia (too much magnesium). Two had kidney disease and were taking "natural" supplements. One of these latter patients was my mother.
If you are healthy, have low risk factors, alot of this stuff is only going to hurt your wallet. If you have money to burn, then who cares right? You just have to remember not everybody is healthy enough to experiment. You just have to be skeptical of salesman selling you his wares. AS a physician, I have no problem with this, because I can probably walk you through it and provide back up. The guy in GNC or wherever will just continue reading the back of the box.
Don't think I won't take you up on dinner in L.A.
"How do you think these medicinal herbs work? Just give me the basics. You don't have to be specific."
Well, each one may work differently, based upon their phytochemical composition. And most or many pharmaceutical drugs are based off various active ingredients found in these herbs. Attempting to imitate their same structure and biochemical function.
I'm sure you already know this though, so I'm not sure why exactly you're asking?
Q: How do you know an apple is safe to eat?
Especially given its immense phytochemical cocktail, that have not been all clinically-tested and published in peer-reviewed journals separately or in concert?
"The point being: three of the great boons to the health of human beings globally in the 20th Century -- flouridization of water, iodization of table salt, polio vaccines -- are all knocked by the very same type of person for the same irrational reasons: paranoid rejection of science and distrust of authority."
Well, water fluoridation has only caused weaker bones, tooth flaking and possibly fibromyalgia via excess myofascial bone spur deposits.
Fibromy-ass, fool.
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