"In a year's time we may say the same things, but you will not wait during this year in the hope that roast pigeons will fly into your mouth. You will work, and your understanding will change--you will be more 'initiated'. It is impossible to give a man anything that could become his inalienable property without work on his part. Such an initiation cannot exist, but unfortunately people often think so. There is only 'self-initiation.' One can show and direct, but not 'initiate.'- Michael Fisher said...
Well, Nulan.- I had been wondering where you got that Dopamine bullshyt from. The fact that you lifted that stuff verbatim from Alan Carter, white boy cult-nut extraordinaire without giving him credit is bad enough.
- But passing that nut-job's stuff off as your own and supposedly of any use to black folk, when in effect you ain't nothing but the token negro in a white de facto cult ain't exactly honest.
- cnulan said...
tsk, tsk, tsk...,- The truth of the matter is that I've always linked back to reciprocality - particularly when referring your addled ass to the phenomenon of the "ghost not" with which you are specifically afflicted.
- Not that anything you write matters a damn MF, but if you look at the credits given under the table of contents on the site, I am the "maestro" referenced in those credits.
- You're such a pathetic and impotent parasite and dumbass Fisher - with nothing whatsoever to show for your "efforts in life" - it simply boggles the imagination how you even manage to live.
Maybe I get it from William Pensinger who definitely introduced me to the terms "normotic illness" and the "monoculture".
Maybe I get it from Fr. John Romanides whose eye-opening scholarship is even more magical than my own - and in whose writings I encountered the phenomenon again as neurobiological sickness.
The fundamental and indisputable difference between you and I MF - IS THAT I GET IT! - and by that fact am consequently empowered to do something about it.
Whereas you simply marinate in the rancid byproducts of your own narcissistic stupidity....,
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cnulan said...
"In a year's time we may say the same things, but you will not wait during this year in the hope that roast pigeons will fly into your mouth. You will work, and your understanding will change--you will be more 'initiated'. It is impossible to give a man anything that could become his inalienable property without work on his part. Such an initiation cannot exist, but unfortunately people often think so. There is only 'self-initiation.' One can show and direct, but not 'initiate.'"
-- Gurdjieff, "Views from the Real World", p. 28
Come one man. WTF has that got to do with any thing ?
Gurdjieff was an interesting partially enlightened con man.
It is a fun and entertaining diversionary read.
What kind of putdown artist and egoistic blather generator are you always doing ?
Making flaming arguments on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. You may win, but you are still retarded.
That goes for both of ya.
Skip,
You wrong as Gay Adoption.
CNu is not only the most dynamic intellect on the internet, the cat's got soul.
Which is something you could add to your repertoire.
Fisher?
Yeah he's more Mussolini than MLK, but don't think your religion of Technocracy is any more noble than his religion of Global System of White Supremacy.
People tend to view the world in a way which makes them comfortable.
You view a world inhabited by secular, spiritless robotrons loaded with the latest Technocracy OS responding to Price System fluctuations like sunflowers respond to sunlight.
Fisher has built a fantasy world where he's a Negro Rambo who rescues dark skinned black folks with weight issues, from oppressive entitled white people (all of whom own tanks and banks) and slim, cute 'light skinned' black people (whose sole purpose in life is to relish in their lightness).
DV...
"Fisher has built a fantasy world where he's a Negro Rambo who rescues dark skinned black folks with weight issues,..."
Ms. Nigeria got weight issues?
LOL.
lol@"metal heat" issues...,
We're done.
Oh Lord, please let it be true!!!
dood, I was done with your cartoon antics the minute I left the assault.
Weeks later, despite countless indications to that effect - you stay stuck and ten times worse than the most jealous, low self-esteem stalker I've ever met in my entire life!
Here's the insane self-rationalization you posted this morning; It is my contention that the recent intense altercation between myself and two of the former contributors to the Assault at the root boils down to the question of the role of "white friends" in the struggle of African people to liberate themselves.
TWO OF THE FORMER CONTRIBUTORS!
NOT JUST YOURS TRULY, BUT YOURS TRULY AND ANOTHER ONE WHO GOT FED UP WITH YOUR INCESSANT NONSENSE TOO!!!
So no Michael, I now treat YOU like shit because I believe in reciprocity. You lost your mind with me for no reason at Cobb and that was by no means the first time I saw you do it. Since then, you've repeatedly proven yourself to be an even more arrogant, insufferable, narcissistic, and obsessive broken record - than I would have ever imagined.
My contempt for YOU has nothing to do with Black folks and you need to stop trying to use us as human shields for your own character defects and personal failings.
I've enjoyed a fruitful 8 year correspondence with Alan - which have included some rather pronounced disagreements - but overall I've benefited from our exchanges over time. I was glad to see him come online with a blog and glad and proud at that moment to be involved with what I thought you were trying to do.
Was I ever mistaken. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...,
Turns out that you couldn't maintain a collaborative correspondence for two months without losing your mind at the first indication that we didn't see eye-to-eye.
Weeks later, you continue to ass up on the daily despite the fact that people from all walks keep telling you to look in the mirror. But no..., you can't hear anything besides the destructive deductive auditory hallucinations screeching around inside your head.
Hell, sondjata and I couldn't disagree more strongly, and even he told you today that YOU need to look in the mirror..., you might want to consider looking in the mirror, a fool may be closer than you think.
As to Nulan,
Not only do you obviously have serious mental health issues, but the pathetic kiss you done planted on Carter's anus
stands in stark contrast with how you treat black folk. As I said when this whole thing jumped off: Craig Nulan don't wanna miss an opportunity to kiss some white ass.
Point proven, case closed.
We're done.
hmmm...
Actually, "metal heat" might be more appropriate after all.
Yep, "proud" to get a pat on the "maestro" head from that nutty white boy.
In any case, like I said, we're done. This is the last comment I'm addressing to you. Not because of your invective, but because there is no possibility for a successful rational discourse with a cultist.
You view a world inhabited by secular, spiritless robotrons loaded with the latest Technocracy OS responding to Price System fluctuations like sunflowers respond to sunlight.
Come on man. That is not even good poetry, and sure reflects nothing but bullshit.
Also your gay comment marks you as a pfucking bigot.
Hey! Don't turn this blog into the fucking Jerry Springer show! Yall's intellectual asses aint saying shit! I'm listening
Of course.
I think Gay Adoption is wrong. I have the audacity to disagree with the homosexual lobby. I think for myself. I trust my instincts. I find the thought of two homosexual men walking out of an adoption agency ... with an innocent little boy ... repugnant.
Ergo I am "a pfucking" bigot.
Well ... kiss my bigot ass.
Brother Law!!!!
Man ... I'm overdue. I know.
I hear you though. Jerry Springer meets Jeapordy. Not a good example for Khali.
CNu is not only the most dynamic intellect on the internet, the cat's got soul.
But lacks compassion...,
For example, I don't believe for a moment that packers can be re-educated, and I don't think you believe they can either.
You are right CNu -
The "packers" cannot be "re-educated".
But their souls can be saved.
Thus the myth busting meme factory that is DenmarkVesey.blogspot.com
The central thesis of the programmer's stone is that there are two kinds of people: mappers and packers, differentiated by their cognitive styles. A mapper seeks to understand things, to draw connections between phenomena and discern patterns. A packer simply accumulates facts and rules of thumb and applies them with a bare minimum of actual thought.
Though too polite to say it, Carter and Sanger repeatedly imply that packers are idiots, and only mappers are to be respected. This begs and interesting question.
What is the exact relationship between packer culture and mapper culture?
If mappers have the cognitive upper hand, and that constitutes power, why have the mappers put up with centuries of packerish horseshit? Why don't mappers enact a holocaust on their oppressors?
The "packers" cannot be "re-educated".
But their souls can be saved.
For what?
The moon is hungry....,
Beause there exists a symbiotic relationship between packers and mappers.
Hip Hop - with it's call and response - with it's meme creation and culture shaping - is 'the programmers stone' - in action.
Which is why I am so harsh on content focused 'Rap hating' packers, critical of Hip Hop mappers, whose process they are incapable of comprehending.
Hip Hop - with it's call and response - with it's meme creation and culture shaping - is 'the programmers stone' - in action.
I've been known to think somewhat along those lines....,
The "packers" cannot be "re-educated".
But their souls can be saved.
For what?
The moon is hungry....,
It ain`t for real man. It is a poetic allusion. Give it up. It is meant to be comedy.
Skip,
You spend a great deal of time telling people what they shouldn't appreciate.
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
I hate to see people make fools of themselves.
Really the Gurdjieff stuff is allegory allusion.
To equate it with spirituality is comical to me.
He was an interesting and clever con man.
So interesting and clever in fact that you found yourself unable to simply state what Beelzebub's Tales represents.
hmm.....,
Look man. Stop with the trick questions. As said I have read it, studied it and know it back and forth.
So what ?
Stop trying to impress me or yourself or others.
I have a copy in my book case. So what.
I quoted G. in my book. So what ?
Stop being an intellectual pariah.
Do something real.
Man, you are on the wrong wrong track if you think G. is any thing other than a brilliant poetic oddity.
Keep in mind that the whole thing revolved around him.
It was another cabal.
It still is.
That is fine, but you will not get many takers in that intellectual backwater.
All and Everything is about what it says its about in the title.
Gurdjieff rubbed elbows with Technocracy people in NewYork if you didn`t know.
There was a cross current between the two groups.
Gurdjieff rubbed elbows with Technocracy people in NewYork if you didn`t know.
There was a cross current between the two groups.
As also the Harlem Renaissance..., and many another creative current in American society.
It's not a trick question at all Skip. Anyone possessing the in-depth knowledge you profess would have simply, easily, and instantly answered it.
Cabals are like that.
Everyone is supposed to jump through the same performance hoops. Then you are a believer and part of the club.
If you do something else then you reflect badly on the group and are turned away.
That is the mechanism of a closed loop.
Meetings with Remarkable Men is my favorite. It explains and gets at the heart of G.`s life and thoughts.
It is also funny. Very funny.
M.W.R.M. All and Everything is good for some amazing explanation of culture and where it came from.
G. was right about a lot of things.
As said that is well known information now for any that are actually interested.
the illiterate five minute primer on dopamine hegemony...,
Already watched it man and it is part of my linked material on my sites.
Ok Cnulan... lets take it a step further now.
Get ready for a mind boggling experience.
We come from a background of thinking that is alike.
Now.
Technocracy Study Course.
The very coolest thing as far as the future of governance of this system.
I am now recruiting you.
You are a hard ass intellectual, but... the American system has produced a number of them.
Now..
Do something important.
Get involved in our Technate plan for North America.
Yes.. you. MOfo.
I downloaded a copy a while ago Skip. I'm still reviewing it to determine if it's something that I can use to provoke interest/thought among the children with whom I interact.
The last two chapters are the Technate design in the Study Course and that is the 'thing'.
The other parts are mostly very interesting, but... it is in the Technate Design that the key to scientific functional governance is located.
Most of what is now considered our major social problems would be eliminated using that design.
connecting the dots of illuminati and hegemonic design....,
Business responded to people's innermost desires in a way that politicians never could do.
It was a form of democracy that depended on treating people not as active citizens, as Roosevelt did, but as passive consumers,
because this, as Bernays believed, was the key to control in a mass democracy.
It's not that the people are in charge, but that the people's desires are in charge.
The people are not in charge, the people exercise no decision making power in this environment.
So democracy is reduced from active citizenry to the idea of the public as passive consumers driven primarily by unconscious desires.
If you can in fact trigger those desires, you can get what you want from them.
Ok , yes man now you are one track. Yes now you are digging this scene. Oh and yes, you are beginning to sound cool . --- an yes check out the newly reformatted thing.
Yes an debomb yes man yes.
If you have not checked into the total break an reformatting of the site which I administer.
Ok hard ass be the hardest hgod dammed hardass on the planet and tell me that it aint sweet as hell to be onto The Technate design .
TNAT--- The North American Technate
b a b y yes it gets rid of a lot of the stuff referred to as our culture. Ha. Yes , ,... change the god damned template, and the rest follows.
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