Skip Sievert said...
There is no god.God is a concept, by which people measure their pain.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said...
There is no Holocaust.The deaths of Jews have been exaggerated for political and financial power by atheist Zionists. Why is it "OK" to question God, but not "OK" to ask questions about this historical event, for which we all pay dearly?
Denmark Vesey said...
There is no Racism or Global System of White Supremacy. There is no Technocracy.These are all just faith based abstractions, words used to describe psychological phenomena - God substitutes.
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Visited that site; wouldn't be caught dead in any of that overpriced, over-rated crap. Millions of people are going to walk around looking like the failures they really are, on a personal level, millions of identical individuals, overpaying for sweat-factory crap. Way to go, corporate Amerika.
Mocking the church which itself long ago became a mockery of God...,
There is no god.
God is a concept, by which people measure their pain.
It`s all a big joke about god.
Angels require Devils.
That dynamic does allow for a lot of false sense of life.
Jim Jones hello. Tell me about god and pass the cool aid.
Skip,
By flatly denying the existence of God, you have created your own religion, atheism. Maybe a better position would be that of an agnostic - we don't know whether God exists. That way, at least you keep an open mind and you won't be be trying to backtrack when you're an old man shitting blood on your deathbed.
I can give you a 100% promise that the middle eastern god, or the Hindu one or whatever god as is being discussed here does not exist.
People here are enamored with people control issues. Morality they call it. Special interest belief system groups. Follow?
P.T. Barnum of course does not sell bread and circus`s without a lot of brainwashing and propaganda.
God fulfills that purpose.
Americans are stricken with an overdose of silly god ideas.
Mostly they revolve around simple bigotry and general hatred of things that reflect poorly on those god believing packs.
Created a religion ? Atheism ?
Ha ha. Know what secular means?
Skip,
Your disbelief in God seems to be the result of your frustrations with his so-called "followers."
As with most thing, the most fucked up dog barks the loudest when it comes to religion. The great pastor that you never heard of is overshadowed by the idiot pastor with 26 cars.
Don't put the cart before the horse.
Secular/atheist is all the same to me. If you believe in God, that beleif is present in every aspect of your life. It's like a gang - you are either in or out.
I am out, and I don`t like moralizing preachers either. Moralizing and preaching does not work. People always do what they want to do anyway.
It is the scam though that keeps the whole paper moon hung up on a cardboard sky glimmering for the ignorant.
Go skip!!!!! School these slave minded negroes. If you scared muthafuckas go to church. Speaking of that in or out thing? I say this out of love.
I kind of follow your point D.V. but... Here is the thing. You are talking apples and oranges. Technocracy is a science based social proposal. That is all it is.
Science and Religion are very different things. Try praying to a rock and make it turn into a computer and message me back on it. It won`t work, unless perhaps you can find that in the bible.
Religion is strictly made up bullshit, made up by political system to control people. Simple voodoo.
Secular means without viewing something through a religious lens.
Science and religion are two very different things.
Religion burns people at the stake.
Science discovers fire.
Ha ha illmath. People are subject to falling under the spell of all the hogwash, it is true.
this psychological phenomena of having God substitutes is described in Islam. a description is below.
Note that Shirk is a MAJOR SIN in Islam. for more read below.
Shirk – Polytheism
The opposite of Tawhid is expressed by the Arabic term Shirk (polytheism), derived from the root Sh-r-k which conveys the notion of “sharing” or “partnerships.” The word Sharik (plural shurakaa) means “partner” or “associate.” It encompasses far more than the more blatant forms of idolatry and denial of Allah’s Unity. The term Shirk means associating partners with Allah, and the related term mushrik is applied to someone guilty of such polytheistic association.
Forms of Shirk:
Major forms of Shirk:
Shirk ad Du’a – invoking or supplicating to a false deity besides Allah.
Shirk al-Niyah wa Iraada wal Qasd – having the intention and determination to deliberately worship a deity other then Allah.
Shirk at- Ta’a – obeying any created being against the command of Allah.
Shirk al-Muhabbah – loving a created being or an object more than Allah.
Hidden Shirk as:
Shirk al- khafi means the hidden, or covert, association of partners with Allah, the One and Only God. This is an insidious form of Shirk.
Minor forms of Shirk as:
Shirk ar- rea – carrying out religious acts for worldly gain, e.g. showing off.
Shirk at- Tasmee – swearing by other then Allah.
Allah says in the Noble Qur`an that Shirk is the greatest sin. (S 31: 14)
He also says that He will forgive all other sins if He wishes, except Shirk (S 4: 49)
Muslims must understand the term Shirk (polytheism) and be conceptually and practically clear that it is diametrically opposed to, Tawheed, the affirmation to the Oneness of Allah.
So what ?
This is blue sky and moon song material.
Allah is in your imagination.
Skip, you have an altogether too primitive understanding of the religious impulse and its modes of expression.
There exists a concrete world perceptible to the senses. Mathematics shows us that there exists another world of causes that do not obey reductionist tendencies - while nevertheless comprising the ground of the most sophisticated materialist understanding known to man.
I've said it before and it bears repeating; deductivism will make you stupid!
It is a rational habit to reduce everything to Time and Space, however, there are qualities and functions that elude straitforward representation. In those instances, the human mind has contrived metaphor and allegory in order to capture and convey these hieratic expressions.
What if, just what if, instead of offhandedly dismissing what Ibrahim wrote, you instead asked him what he understands and means regarding the Oneness of Allah?
Thanks for trying to teach me how to think oh wise one Mr. Guru.
NOT ~!~
I think I already told you to Google Willard Gibbs right ?
Yes, I am ignorant and you are my teacher. Please educate me. Tell me what I need to know so that I may think exactly as you do oh wise one, and I may also dribble out sociological nonsense.
Like I care what this joker is talking about in regard to his precious Allah ?
This guy would probably cut your phucking head off if you crossed him or showed insufficient bullshit regard in relation to his Allah scheme.
What he means by the oneness of Allah ?
Who cares.
How about the oneness with Burger King ?
Skip said:
Like I care what this joker is talking about in regard to his precious Allah ?
This guy would probably cut your phucking head off if you crossed him or showed insufficient bullshit regard in relation to his Allah scheme.
According to the Allah scheme that simply IS, your disrespect for The Creator suggests a disdain for the self - yourself.
If i were to chop your head off it would be because you were trying to chop mine off. according to my religion (and the way i was raised) that would be acceptable conditions for head chopping.
Very well skip. It was more fun ridiculing you and your pathetic technate anyway...., clearly nothing compares to the deep oneness you've obtained from having your head stuck THAT FAR up your ass...,
Ah... back to your usual default position. More insults and more bullshit.
You MUST be Mr. Know it all.
You Must get over.
You Must relate sociologically and in an occult manner, with a tiny little nod to science.
One suggestion : You may want to have a plexi-glass window installed in your naval.
That way you can see where your going when you have your head up your ass.
Aside from your anal retentive passive aggressive fantasy`s you really ought to get out more.
Have a weird day... Mr. Guru.
That's more like it, provoked, inflamed, and flailing...., I live to rhetorically beat on human pinatas like you Skip. You're so damn easy.
It's my own little evil dopamine snort spoon piled high with crystalline neurotransmitter - the threat/ contempt display.
Uh yeah, I noticed you are fucked up in the head.
Maybe you were dropped on it as a child or something.
Before you repeat yourself for the umpteenth thousandth time Skipper, please explain how you got excommunicated from your own tiny religion?
Thats the Canadian branch. They are not involved in the group. It is a dead site. Read the thread dumb ass and put your thinking cap on.
We don`t excommunicate people dumb ass.
Too bad you do not know how to wipe your ass intellectually.
l0l. Mars is retrograde.
Oh and cnulan...
The debate is over. You lost. As a debater you come up short.
So drop the penis envy.
Funny you like being the Grand Mufti of sociological nonsense though.
Try reading a little Gibbs birdbrain.
One more question ?
Did your mother dress you funny when you were a child ?
Like a little girl maybe ?
Or maybe you were a mothers darling?
Someone turned you into a raving bitch.
Maybe you did it by yourself.
Congratulations ! Your self made.
"It's my own little evil dopamine snort spoon piled high with crystalline neurotransmitter"
Have fun chasing your tail, Mr. shallow.
Skip, you're much too weak to deal with me. On my way out the door I absentmindedly hit you with a rhetorical Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique - and then moved on to have pizza and watch a movie with my peeps.
Next day I show up only to find your weakazz was still flipping and flopping with impotent fury on the hot concrete 7 hours after I left you there.....,
Haven't you realized yet that sparring with me can only bring you to a bad end?
Oh yes, mighty witch.
Endowed with occult powers.
People tremble at your horrible visage, bow before your mighty ninja tools.
At least the intellectually challenged, or gullible ones.
Those whose minds become fixed on complicated theories and admiration of their own ideas loose the ability to deal with reality, (yourself).
Magic spells do not impress me voodoo man.
Only idiots argue on the internet.
Mostly its a place to gracefully state your opinion and ideas with whatever rhetorical prowess.
Control freaks desire the control of others. Ha ha.
You are a conservative Prussian windbag in regard to ideas.
A victim of society.
I grabbed a copy of that pantload you cut and pasted together and had the audacity to call a book.
I'm betting that it'll be mildly amusing to examine the totality of your thought exteriorizations...,
I hope that I'll be able to get them off the bottom of my shoe when I'm finished.
Beyond the Cloak of Deception
This volume contains three pamphlets published as chapters two, three and four. Anyone reading this may copy any of my material and in fact I would encourage they do so, and pass this information on by posting, (net) blogging or E-mailing friends, strangers, or others. Copies can also be put easily under windshield wipers on cars; I know this from experience.
rotflmbao.....,
I'm thinking printed on rolls of tissue paper, "the cloak of deception" would make a great Christmas gift!
Well have fun with it. I suggest the adage and aphorism chapter, and also the, I am the Price System! chapter.
Keep in mind that actual Technocracy technate design is in the last two chapters of the Study Course, and not in my book. Actual Technocracy is that.
The book I did for fun. There is one glaring mistake in it, but that does not effect anything.
I listed Hitlers political party as Christian National Socialists or something and that was not correct.
I do quote your friend Gurdjieff and some other interesting people.
Meeting`s with Remarkable Men is listed in the suggested reading list in the back.
You really could be more open minded.
You are on an intellectual dead end course presently.
If you want to be a social activist, you could understand the actual dynamic of whats happening.
Instead of looking up to our current controllers or taking them seriously, a real social activist bites the hand that feeds it and exposes the system for what it is.
It does not 'pay' to play footsie with it. Then you are just another gate keeper for the power possessors, and twiddling your thumbs along with them.
So, stop being so freakishly controlling and read the last two chapters of the Technocracy Study Course, if you are actually interested. My 'Technocracy Home' site has that available as a single push download which is easier to get and bookmark than that google base site.
Also the information I put out has nothing to do with me.
Stop connecting me or my playing on a website for fun, with our program.
As a social activist or a wanna be social activist you now have an opportunity to actually understand the dynamic of the present system with a little push of new information.
Don`t waste your time pondering New York Times articles and what they mean to the great brainwashed mass.
Check out our friend Exodus Mentality blog. He posts here occasionally. He understands money. He received new information and he acted on it. He is smart. Real alternative is different than fake alternative.
Keep in mind that my book is only a rhetorical device. There is no shortage of information on this subject.
It was thought out by the greatest of America`s intellect.
Part of that group is and always has been Blacks Hispanics and Indians. All those groups were involved in Technocracy groups from the beginning.
A part of our original energy survey was done at a black southern university, as well as Columbia University.
And get it through your brain that I am not Technocracy. I am a member of a group of Tecnocrats that is bringing new attention to our movement.
Look up Howard Scott and M. King Hubbert, and some of the other scientists that came up with the most brilliant design of culture ever.
It ensures equality, It ensures freedom.
It eliminates antique concepts such as race-ism.
It gets rid of the prison system and the judicial system.
Open your mind. Your rigid. Be creative.
Back to this thread now...
It does not matter if there is a god or not.
The goals of technocracy are unattainable outside the ethics of hesychasm.
The ethics of hesychasm are unattainable outside of work on oneself..., (the kind of work symbolized by DV's movable post on making the two one)
The Application of Science To The Means Whereby We Live
Through countless centuries man has found his own security in the insecurity of others, has found his own economic and cultural haven at the expense of poverty and subservience in the majority, has found that a higher station in life was possible only for the few, not the multitude.
Throughout man's history a gigantic effort has been going on to erase from the face of the earth all evil between individuals, groups, and nations. The approach has been an attempt at reforming and converting the individual with the hope that sufficient numbers of "good" men and women gathered in all lands might allow a lasting agreement upon the existing physical conflicts to be achieved.
There is no need to picture here the futility of this approach and its very evident failure to accomplish the idealistic dreams.
It is perhaps one of the major ironies of history that a new and the only adequate approach should have been projected and offered by certain interpreters of applied physical science who distinctly disclaim as their motivating force all idealistic searches for truth, love, peace, harmony, and other imponderables.
These interpreters, men of science, undertook an analysis of the operational problems of the North American Continental area. From this analysis they synthesized a technological design of social operation which they predicted as the next most probable form of social control in this area.
It was objectively presented. By it, human history can become for the first time a planned progression, based on an a quantitative analysis of the continental totality, as contrasted with the old haphazard increment of the components peculiar to evolution; i.e. the planned arrival of the fittest, instead of the mere survival of the fittest.
It is precisely the intricate immenseness of the Continental Problems arising in the control and operation of a unique high-energy civilization that requires and results in a unique and entirely new social methodology.
The Successful Application of Science To The Means Whereby We Live;
Quesnay believed that his introduction of arithmetic precision into economics provided a scientific rule that should dictate appropriate political arrangements – and even the obedience of sovereigns. He was never willing, however, to trust the spontaneous development of the proper sociopolitical order. Nature required the assistance of an absolute authority capable of forcing natural order upon recalcitrant humans.[3]
Montesquieu’s phlisophy of Social Darwinism (survival of the economically fittest), Libertarian politics, and Libertarian economics were imported to America by Pierre Samuel DuPont, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison thereby establishing America as the first true Libertarian state. The principal functions of America’s new Libertarian government were two: to protect property and to force men to act economically. All other political activity was assigned to the economic sphere.
and which technocracy - albeit well-intended - lacks the means to overcome.
Forget the green technology, the hot money is in guns.
Naomi Klein is a low level idiot. A little knowledge is dangerous. She has very little.
The departments, bureaus, commissions, offices, councils, institutes, agencies, centers, services, administrations, courts, authorities and even corporations that constitute the hodge-podge framework of what is presently known as the U.S. Government is the result of a total absence of any sound, consistent concept, much less any operational plan that is compatible with our technological age.
Like all other political schemes, its fundamental proposition is how to manage people and money values in conformity with a prevailing economic ideology.
This is simply because politics in all forms, like economics, is derived from the 6000 year old understanding that the toil of people produces everything that is made(Adam Smith asserted this and laid the basis for today's corporate enterprise businesses, reiterated by Karl Marx's socialistic glorification of toil).
The Energy Certificate/Energy Accounting Technocracy system gets rid of that.
The original 1787 Constitution, and the formal establishment of the Federal political government two years later, was limited by the vision of the merchants, lawyers, and tillers of the soil who led the new country's rural-agrarian economy.
All that would be needed, in their view, was a national army and navy to repel invaders, a Department of State to deal with foreign nations, a Justice Department, a treasury, a postal service, a small bureaucracy, and a weak law-making body with a president to be chosen in quadrennial popularity contests, otherwise officially known as elections, in order to give the people the illusion of having a voice in decisions, the one thing that was lacking in England.
The business leadership of the loosely "United" States fully intended to keep the country a confederation of almost independent states, except to tolerate their mercenaries in the national capitol.
Originally they were satisfied when the revolution ended in 1782 with their "Articles of Confederation" as guide.
Revolutionary in name only, the writers of the Constitution unblushingly copied the British parliamentary idea with a House of Representatives roughly parallel with the House of Commons and a Senate similar to the House of Lords, traditionally a mouthpiece for the Crown.
So wary were the financial rulers of this country of the people's voice that they did not allow the people to vote for U.S. Senators until the year 1912. (The idea of a Senate and senators, of course, goes back 2,000 years to ancient Rome where the word originated.)
The business of Economics, long entrenched in England and the rest of Europe, was continued unaltered here in the Constitution except to make it easier, more lawfully acceptable and feasible, even if under cover, for the financial elite of top investment banks to establish policy, both foreign and domestic, for the government to officially carry out as national policies.
The whole dynamic changed with the advent of mechanical energy.
Human labor was an antique idea mostly starting around 1913.
Economics is a false science. It always was. It is best to toss money or debt tokens.
No longer needed.
You are still not listening.
So why, one may ask, is the average North American working six to eight more hours per week than in 1976?
Why do we endure poverty in the midst of such potential? Why do we see record numbers of murders being committed?
Why do our prisons house a greater proportion of inmates than any other nation? Why do we destroy food or leave fields unplanted as people go hungry?
Why have we fouled our air and water? Why do we fritter away precious natural resources on shoddy or non-essential goods, or on the needless duplication of production in the name of "competitive enterprise"?
The answer lies in our slavish adherence to the outmoded monetary structure, or Price System. It is the Price System, and our die hard efforts to preserve it regardless of the cost to human society and our physical environment, that accounts for the vast majority of the social and environmental stress we are witnessing.
It is the adherence to this Price System, the forced shortage of supply in order to keep up prices, or value, that is the root cause of the inequity in distribution that gives rise to a great many of our social problems: crime, poverty, wars, stress-induced drug, alcohol, child and spouse abuse, bribery, political corruption -- even the dissolution of the family structure, as both parents are forced out of the home into the workplace in order to make ends meet.
It is also the Price System and its use of contrived methods to effect the consumption of tangible resources that has led to the misuse of our technology to increasingly devastate our earth.
Howard Scott and the Technical Alliance, applying the scientific method to the social structure and by subjecting it to objective analysis, concluded that a technological administration of the physical functions of the Continent was the next most probable state of society -- the destiny of North America.
To attempt to forestall or prevent such a conversion would ultimately result in social and environmental chaos.
The Technocracy organization maintains that the distribution of abundance to all is a technical not a political or financial problem. We have in North America the installed equipment, the resources, and the technological know-how to offer to every citizen the highest standard of living in the world, with a minimum of human toil.
Naomi Klein is a low level idiot. A little knowledge is dangerous. She has very little.
but her audience is vastly greater than your own.
like Michael Fisher, you've painted yourself into a ridiculous corner from which you will never likely escape.
what's the point of knowing what you profess to know when nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody will give you the time of day to hear about it, much less implement it?
Wrong again pal.
It is well known where it counts. In the background, in the various war colleges, in a wide range of 'programs' that took a few of our ideas, dumbed them down and presented them differently, with usually massive ego injection.
As social change accelerates in a collapsed Price System, as the back of the stomach approaches the front of the spine, things get very serious.
It was during a time like that in about 1935 to 1940 that Technocracy was THE fastest growing social movement in the U.S.
Yes, its true.
It has been hidden and covered up as to that. Hearst Corp and others had a strict policy to NEVER bring it up.
Technocracy pulls the plug on the Price System.
Technocracy is far from being painted into a corner, it is the ONLY viable way out of the present corner that is humanitarian, secular, based on freedom and human dignity.
It is the most important thing intellectually to come out of the 20th century.
Naomi is a silly person. Really a hack. No serious person will be tempted by her in the box mind.
I used to think she was kind of cute though. Pompous though. Annoying to listen to also. To many flailing arms, and false impassioned or rather stupidly impassioned nonsense ideas.
Really a lot of these people are like dumbed down Libertarians.
They cite the Constitution like it is a philosophers stone.
That is slavish.
Our political system is strictly an invention of the 18th. cent.
The whole basis is not connected with present reality.
Our fate now as a country and a world is to destroy ourselves for no particular reason other than voodoo economics.
Send me an email and I will send you more information. I usually don`t cloud things up in forums by leaving trails of breadcrumbs.
You could be of help to us. You obviously have a brain.
Relying on the information that is out there and trying to make sense of the state of things, without a very serious background in something leads in circles.
Because of your 4th way experience and interest in Technology you would probably be a natural to get involved in our program.
It is entirely volunteer.
If you can find something more intelligent, intellectual, and overarchingly well rounded let me know. I would be interested.
Since I have scratched and poked around for some time in the back ground and foreground of thought and Ideas the Technate design makes sense to me.
Another reminder. This is NOT about me. It is about the present and the future survival of our area.
As social change accelerates in a collapsed Price System, as the back of the stomach approaches the front of the spine, things get very serious.
Now THAT'S wtf I'm talking about Skip!!! The first fully sanguine thing I've seen you write and the human essentialist quote of the week at Denmark Vesey.
If you can find something more intelligent, intellectual, and overarchingly well rounded let me know. I would be interested.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...., unless you package the message so that it resonates deep in the middle of the listener's chest - it doesn't have a prayer of catching on..., let us be insofar honest with ourselves.
The clampdown IS coming and the hot money is in guns for a reason.
Oh yeah, I am armed to the teeth also, but as a precautionary measure. If it goes the 'right' way we will go into a state of emergency after a fairly short time of chaos and confusion when the system goes down.
That is a maker breaker period. It is well known by the military and others what happened to FEMA. It was gutted out and placed under political control several years ago. White house and Congress.
That was done to a purpose, that being to maintain a collapsed Price System.
That is not going to work though. The original Fema system pulled the plug on the political system for six months. That was designed by Technocrats also to a purpose.
Once going into a Technate we would not go back. It would not make sense.
The original FEMA suspended rents, mortgages, and utilities for the entire continental U.S. for six months for starters. It pulled the plug as said on the Political system. It protected the American people. Thats gone now.
In effect a Technate would have occurred under the old Fema system.
Our entire method of society would change. That is why it was done away with, and put under HOMELAND DEFENSE. Captured by Politicos.
It has been well known for many many years that this system has no future. At every level aware people knew and know about Technocracy. It is important now to become even more well known. Even people within the system knew in the 30`s through recently that this operating system is doomed in a big big way.
Many people recognized a Technocratic system as the only VIABLE alternative.
Many people are mulling this over right now as said in the war colleges and elsewhere.
It is well known that our military is a mercenary force for Globalism now. That we are punks for the larger Price System much of it acting against our people in every way possible. Globalism uses the resource base of North America. It has to use it to survive. Globalism is a poison system that leads to everyone destroying every thing for only desultory reasoning (money).
Obviously we are now living in a criminal thug society which wants to keep power.
In other words yes, there IS going to be a civil war. Most likely the military and the American people VS. the Political system.
It will not be so called race based but class/caste based at its worse.
That period hopefully will not last long.
Technocracy is the next most probable for survival.
If the system can not rule it may ruin though.
Things are going to get very interesting shortly. Perhaps oil or any number of things will collapse the system.
One of our main writers M. King Hubbert, was the originator of the Hubbert curve and explained peak oil.
Hubbert was one of the main writers of our Study Course, the last two chapters of which outline the Technate design for North American.
He is one of the more famous Technocrats, but there are many others.
We are vulnerable because of total dependence on mechanical energy (oil). A bunch of other things could tip it though.
Then exponential unemployment takes it down quickly.
The basic fact of technology destroying purchasing power via elimination of jobs.
It puts the kabosh on the Adam Smith labor theory. It WILL not work in the future, unless under a collapsed Price System slave society much worse than this one by far. Witness another idiot James Kunsler, the so called essayist who is another dumb ass.
While the hot money is in guns, the hotter money should be ideas.
Packaging our message is not an issue.
It was packaged long ago.
Technocracy can not be sold, only presented accurately.
People relate and understand it once it is brought out correctly and explained or they don`t.
Some people have tried to capture it and turn it into another Price System, such as that TechCa site that you quoted.
Some people file the info away in their brains and come back to it later when they get more information and understand it better or look into it more.
The statement of social change happening in direct proportion to the back of the stomach approaching the front of the spine - was made by Howard Scott, our original director, and the person that created the Technical Alliance a research group that studied the situation for 13 years and then published its findings as the Technocracy Study Course.
Our program has never been about personality`s though.
Here's your God substitute;
For decades it has been known that these neurons and the dopamine they release play a critical role in brain mechanisms of reinforcement. Many of the drugs currently abused in our society mimic the actions of dopamine in the brain. This led many researchers to believe that dopamine neurons directly encoded the rewarding value of events in the outside world.
Yes, maybe but so what.
You have conjured up another voodoo representation.
Maybe you should think about reading Anthropology instead of all the crack pot sociological drivel.
Even basic Pavlov is better.
Who cares about a god or a god substitute. It is no an issue.
People believe as they will and there is NO accounting for belief.
Belief is a human freedom.
Technocracy however is a science based system as opposed to religious based or poetic based or whatever.
People can believe any thing they please including what ever nonsense. We don`t care.
"As early as 1898 the economist Thorstein Veblen made this point in an essay entitled “Why is economics not an evolutionary science?” He suggested that in order to understand the economic behavior of humans one would have to understand the mechanisms by which those behaviors were produced (Veblen, 1898). More recently, the biologist Wilson (1998) and the economists Zak and Denzau (2001) have made a similar point. Arguing that a fusion of the social and natural sciences is both inevitable and desirable, Wilson has suggested that this fusion will begin with a widespread recognition that economics and biology are two disciplines addressing a single subject matter. Ultimately, economics is a biological science. It is the study of how humans choose. That choice is inescapably a biological process. Truly understanding how and why humans make the choices that they do will undoubtedly require a neuroeconomic science." A quote from your link.
I don`t think you are getting what I have been saying.
Veblen, upon meeting Howard Scott and joining the Technical Alliance had his world turned upside down.
I really think you take abstracted sociological drivel concepts way to seriously. It is NOT science, even while there may be cross over on some obscure points.
Economics is a false science. You must understand that.
YOU are on the wrong track.
Economics and its study is NOT a science. It is true that data can be applied to anything. It is also true that money is an abstract concept which measures another abstract concept.
Wake up please.
Turn this over in your mind.
They (EU) do not have a clue. Technocracy, Technocracy Inc. the word Technate, none reference the DESIGN OF THE TECHNATE FOR NORTH AMERICA or The North American Technate.
The others can be used to reference any shit bird brained Price System they might want to "design" and advocate for Their area.
No where else in the world is their enough natural resources to operate a TECHNATE as the design of the North American Technate.
It is simply a matter of having ENOUGH natural resources to supply the highest standard of living possible , equally so for all citizens of the design Area...
The problem all other areas have is the LACK of these required natural Resources in this quantity.
North America has a small population to Resource Ratio. Thus the Technate as designed for North America is viable.
Mere access to resources, such as Britain, Germany, France etc. have requires a Price System Structure in order to obtain these resources.
The the UK has used force to secure them from other areas.
Russia is the second largest natural resource holder, as such she holds the TRUMP card in Europe/ Asia.
If you are interested in real ideas and tired of chasing in circles you may want to learn more and get involved.
That comment wasn't for you Skip. It went to the statement DV made in the post.
Economics is a false science. You must understand that.
It's not a science at all, rather, it's a value-laden method for rationalizing scarcity.
While I don't disagree in principle with any of what technocracy asserts, my primary interest remains focused on the mechanisms of addiction through which behavior is controlled and governance is exercised.
"While I don't disagree in principle with any of what technocracy asserts, my primary interest remains focused on the mechanisms of addiction through which behavior is controlled and governance is exercised."
Thats fine but it won`t get you anywhere.
If you want to be a social activist that is.
"Science discovers fire."
Wrong. Science does not discover or create. It analyzes what has already been discovered or created.
Notice there is nothing in the Scientific Method or Evolution regarding the actual CREATION of new ideas or forms.
Because that is not what science is for.
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