Monday, October 29, 2007

The Good Massa Syndrome - The Irrational Loyalty of Some Black People To Bill and Hillary Clinton

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's been embarassing to watch Bill Clinton get such wild receptions from black audiences. It's even more disgusting to watch Hillary try to "talk black" to black audiences.

Anonymous said...

so only correct option for a black person, is vote for obama because he is black ?

Denmark Vesey said...

Nah Sista Accra, it is not the only correct option for black people.

There is a big leap between irrational loyalty to Bill and Hillary Clinton and 'voting for Obama' because he is black.

Not that voting in the US is any more real than voting in Russia, I happen to support Republican Ron Paul.

He is the only candidate who insists on removing troops from Iraq - NOW.

The fact is Hillary is polling among blacks better than is Obama. The fact is Hillary supports very little that is in the actual interests of black people.

She is 1,0000 more dedicated to the interests of Israel than the interests of the people of Jackson, Missippi or the people of Baltimore Maryland.

Yet, we have black people cheering her campaign as if they were at a Patti Labelle concert.

Anonymous said...

I see. Why doesn't the black leadership in your country then do a better job of educating the black voters on such issues? And are there really any presidential candidates that are dedicated to the black cause? Or perhaps some are a little better than others?

Denmark Vesey said...

accra said...

I see. Why doesn't the black leadership in your country then do a better job of educating the black voters on such issues?

Actually Sista Accra, I think I am doing a very good job of it.

Just because corporate media shines a camera on Sharpton doesn't make him any more of a leader than any of us.

Probably worse.

The next wave of black leadership will be chosen the same rap stars are chosen. They bubble up from the streets.

Which, if you think about it, is the closest thing we have to a democratic process.

Anonymous said...

"The next wave of black leadership will be chosen the same rap stars are chosen. They bubble up from the streets.

Which, if you think about it, is the closest thing we have to a democratic process."

As it should be!!

Anonymous said...

Yes you are DV.... and also educating those of us who are not that conversant with " Black America" .

However, there seems to be the need for more leaders to do the educating........ since in your own words...

"The fact is Hillary is polling among blacks better than is Obama. The fact is Hillary supports very little that is in the actual interests of black people.

She is 1,0000 more dedicated to the interests of Israel than the interests of the people of Jackson, Missippi or the people of Baltimore Maryland.

Yet, we have black people cheering her campaign as if they were at a Patti Labelle concert."

Anonymous said...

DV,

I disagree with you 80% of the time...but lately you've been making a bit of sense to me, especially about Ron Paul

I was just thinking today how Ron Paul should try to reach out to black people, I bet a lot of people would like what he has to say

the first republican I am going to vote for.(24 yrs old)

Denmark Vesey said...

Hey TG,

I know what you mean. Voting for your first Republican can be an odd experience.

However, escaping the Democratic plantation, if only to the Repubican plantation, is often the first step towards mental liberation for many black Americans.

Ron Paul is off the hook.

If Americans were not slaves to television he would be President, hands down.

Anonymous said...

I have BLACK Democrats to thank for prompting my decision to leave become a non-affiliated voter.

LOL

I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for the next go 'round... but I can assure you, it won't be for someone BECAUSE they have black skin.

Anonymous said...

oops. Should read: "prompting my decision to leave the party to become..."

Anonymous said...

I don't buy into the whole voting hustle anymore. I'm not going to continue to validate a complete sham.

That being said, I like the fact that I'm hearing Paul's name mentioned in black circles. I do want folks to start thinking differently and however they do that is a good start.

I will say that the in my experience the Paul folks with boots on the ground in Atlanta didn't appear to even be remotely reaching out to people of color. They had a cool grassroots outreach effort in Little 5 Points, which is known as the kinda artsy, progressive, hippie, bohemien district in Atlanta and as me and a couple of my friends walked by several of his people, several times who were handing out literature they didn't even try to hand us anything. So I watched and the same seemed true for other people of color who walked by. It irritated me to say the least.

I still can't believe so many people continue to buy into this fake power ritual.

Anonymous said...

Finally a political discusion that doesn't have as it's core concept "the lesser of two evils".

There are no "Black Leaders", never have been, never will be. Humans long ago gave up the idea of following anyone but ourselves.

How would it be possible to educate a "voter" if in fact voting is actually the exercise in futility that DV claims it is (an idea that I happen to agree with whole heartedly)?

Put another way, if voting actually meant anything, it would have to mean that the leaders were not in charge, rather the followers (i.e. voters) run the show through the exercise of voting power. How many so-called "leaders" would publicly agree with that logic?

The only thinkg that any of the cndidates could say that could even remotely be considered to be "in the interest of Black people" would be the total and complete denouncing of the white supremacy system currently occupying the seat of power on this world. Neither Barak Obama nor Ron Paul has any intention of doing that. Even as an empty campaign promise from someone who has not an ice cube's chance in hell of winning the presidency. Can't be done, won't be done.

On second thought, maybe one of the hip hop heads would do it.