Michael Fisher said... 
II, let me ask you this: Are you a white person?
skip sievert said...
Does it matter ?Is not the term 'white' just as misleading as th term as 'black'.
This paper is white, and the digital ink is black.
Is there such a thing as 'people of color ?
or are there just people.
- Intellectual Insurgent said...
Fisher,- I find it difficult to reconcile your rants about White Supremacy with your willingness to accept the racial label that White Supremacy imposed upon you. [ Good Point of The Month]
- The philosophies of White Supremacy do not occupy my mind. If there are White people out there who think they are superior to me, what difference does that make? It doesn't make it so just because they think it. You grant them a lot more power than they deserve. And, the notion of White supremacy wouldn't have so much currency if ethnic people didn't put so much stock in it, accept it and believe it.
- I understand that there is a very skewed system in this country, but to give White Supremacy so much airtime is to legitimize its validity. It's like saying "White" people are supreme to me. And they ARE NOT.
- If you want to tell me there are powerful people in this country who will do anything to keep their power, I'll accept that. And they treat Whites with the same contempt they treat Black people. It's called classism.
- Black people are those who accept the label imposed upon them by White Supremacy. It is an unfortunate product of the history of Blacks in America that has led to this state of affairs. It is no wonder to me why the first thing the Nation of Islam requires is that each adherent change his name.
Fisher,
83 comments:
Skip...
"Is there such a thing as 'people of color ? or are there just people."
Sure there is.
Well now, Skip. You tell me:
Is there such a thing as "colorless people" or are there just colored people?
Are you a colorless person, Skip?
White and Black as racial distinctions were invented by Americans to play people off against each other. They are false constructs and those who perpetuate them perpetuate the racism that created them.
I am what the fuck I say I am. No one gets to reduce my history or genetics or culture to an easy-to-package color.
Yes, it matters. Ignoring that there are differences between people of different races is about as honest a 3 dollar bill. What is always interesting to me is that certain people feel it necessary to deny those clear differences to "prove" that they are not prejudice or racist, etc.
To those people, I say "its okay," I am well aware that we are different. No sense in wasting time acting otherwise. Although there are always exceptions, typically, we dont have the same values. Because this plays out in too many facets of life to even list -- suffice it to say we are "different."
Just dont hate me because of those differences or fool yourself into thinking that "different" is synonymous with stupid, incapable or inferior.
So with that Skip, you have our permission to relive yourself of the burdensome "does-it-matter-no-such-thing-as-people-of-color" rhetoric.
We all know, and most of us are okay with that.
BTW Fisher, I suppose it would be wise in such a discussion, to define our terms. Who/what is White and who/what is Black?
I think the Insurgent has things more right here than you Robyn.
When someone says 'people of color' my reaction is... wow, they fell for it. They allowed themselves to be put in a box, and described as something different from some other reference point.
What is even more odd or funny is if that premise is used, somehow people define themselves as second class citizens or people, or superior, depending on how they are brainwashed.
That so called black people or so called white people buy into skin color being any thing other than a product of environment I find comical.
All humans had black skin once.
Different humans migrated to places that changed their skin because of mutations caused by environment.
I think racial bullshit attitudes would quickly go away in a society that was not based like 0ur present society on bullshit concepts of money and class.
There is no doubt in my mind that the best runners lately have been blood type O`s from Kenya, and other Africans. So what ?
All humans are humans.
There will always be a 'white' than can still outrun a black.
Some can run faster, and some can be inspired by different things, so what ?
Blacks and whites , yellows etc.
Fisher you are obviously baiting me. Fuck you.
Is that enough color for you ?
CURIOUS FACTS
It is not white folk who are complaining about the color of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama's skin; it's black folk. It seems he is not black enough to suit some of the brethren. Go figure!
Google : MadMikesAmerica
Google that and check out that post.
Its a blog in Florida, that is interesting.
Well, Skip, you answered my question.
II...
"Who/what is White and who/what is Black?"
Well, I've been defined as "black". What about you?
You are Black because others define you as such?
I've been defined as lots of things but, like I said before, it's irrelevant because I am what I say I am.
Oh, I just saw below that you said your are NOT a white person.
Thanks for answering that question.
You said earlier that the System of White Supremacy does exist, however, mostly in the minds of non-white people.
Question:
Since you are a non-white person, does the System of White Supremacy exist in your mind?
II...
"You are Black because others define you as such?"
Of course.
II.
What is a "black" person?
Colour has been used as a weapon to highlight physiologiocal( culture is not inborn) differences between the races. ...... these differences have been given negative or positive connotations depending on who has the power to label these differences...... History tells us that in most cases it has been the "white man" who has decided what is superior, pretty, desirable etc...... Closely linked to this is the control of economic resources.... for example, within the indian caste system, higher caste indians are usually fair skinned ( prosperous)and the untouchables are dark skinned ( impoverished)....
Ultimately, control and survival of the fittest, is the primary reason why racism exists....
Fisher,
I find it difficult to reconcile your rants about White Supremacy with your willingness to accept the racial label that White Supremacy imposed upon you.
The philosophies of White Supremacy do not occupy my mind. If there are White people out there who think they are superior to me, what difference does that make? It doesn't make it so just because they think it. You grant them a lot more power than they deserve. And, the notion of White supremacy wouldn't have so much currency if ethnic people didn't put so much stock in it, accept it and believe it.
I understand that there is a very skewed system in this country, but to give White Supremacy so much airtime is to legitimize its validity. It's like saying "White" people are supreme to me. And they ARE NOT.
If you want to tell me there are powerful people in this country who will do anything to keep their power, I'll accept that. And they treat Whites with the same contempt they treat Black people. It's called classism.
Black people are those who accept the label imposed upon them by White Supremacy. It is an unfortunate product of the history of Blacks in America that has led to this state of affairs. It is no wonder to me why the first thing the Nation of Islam requires is that each adherent change his name.
On this topic, a family friend who is also ethnic admitted to me an inferiority complex when it comes to White people. After expressing my disbelief that she could feel inferior to a bunch of anorexic, alcoholic, drug-addicted, semi-heterosexual, Girls Gone Wild stars, I began a campaign to undo the propaganda that's been beaten into her head.
I've come to love Fox News, because they've got every story of every pervert who raped his 2-year-old, every cannibal who cooked his grandmother for dinner, every preacher who does drugs with male prostitutes, every 13-year-old terrorist that plots to bomb high schools, every irresponsible piece of shit who got drunk and killed some people while "partying". And at the end of each article, I ask her, "who is inferior"?
I think I need to put you on a similar 12-step program Fisher.
My question remains, why do we have to have the "no-color, I am what I say I am" mumbo jumbo in order to reject notions of inferiority? I dont have to be "the same as everyone else" in order to have similar worth. Isnt this really a variation of the same theme that yall (II and Skip) claim to reject?
It is not my argument that race does not exist or that there is no ethnic difference among people. But I define who I am.
Because, Robyn, it is impossible to mentally escape inferiority when you are cloaked in the labels and distinctions that others have imposed upon you? If you call yourself Black of your own accord, then fine.
But I don't see how it is empowering to say, "I'm Black because other people say so". If we accept the principle that other people's designations define me, then we must accept that in all departments, including merits.
People ramble on ad nauseum about owning their own businesses, controlling resources, etc., but give up sovereignty when it comes to something as personal as how you should be defined racially. That doesn't work.
II
"White and Black as racial distinctions were invented by Americans"
False! Americans?... Come on you need to go back a little further.
"History tells us that in most cases it has been the "white man" who has decided what is superior, pretty, desirable etc"
Whose history do you reference. China's, India's, Kenya's ???
II
"It is not my argument that race does not exist or that there is no ethnic difference among people. But I define who I am. "
So tell us who are you?
To Casper, does it matter whose history I reference? But if you insist on a reference, how about Africa and Europe specifically regarding say colonialism and the beginning of the transatlantic slave trade...... I'm not sure what history Kenya has that relates to different races.... unless you are talking about the colonial days in Kenya when the British ruled.... and are there black and white people in China? ........... as I said, I don't think .I need a reference point ... I'm sure we all know our history....the race relations that exist today have been created by the past. They did not happen in a vacuum
II...
You use the term "black person"
(1) What is a "black" person?
(2) Are black persons mistreated on the basis of their color?
michael fisher,
why don't you answer that question. Inquiring minds want to know what you think!
Why engage the clown ?
Is this a black power site ?
Is it like a white power site ?
Is so called race an arbiter of thinking here ?
anon...
I have already told you earlier.
Now, don't try to come to II's rescue. She is fully capable of dealing with these simple questions herself.
Skip...
"Why engage the clown ?"
Why indeed. Skip?
Fisher,
1) I already answered your question about who's Black. Whoever chooses to define him/herself as such or whoever chooses to accept labels imposed by others like you have.
2) There are people who are Black who have been mistreated solely because they are Black. And? And there are Black people who have not been mistreated because they are Black. And Blacks do not have the monopoly on being mistreated solely because of ethnicity. And?
I'm so black, even my tofu is fried.
I...
"Whoever chooses to define him/herself as such [black]"
II.
(1) Who mistreated/mistreats people who are black solely because they are black?
(2) How did the people who mistreated people solely because they are black know that the people they mistreated solely because they are black know that these people are black?
DV...
"I'm so black, even my tofu is fried."
I do not understand. Please explain.
Fish, respectfully, get to the damn point. I personally am interested in what you have to say but dont have time for these abstract questions.
Make your freakin' point. She answered the question. And dont pull that "just curious" shit you pulled on me the other day.
oh jesus!
LOL Robyn!!! You beat me to it.
Hilarious!
I have no issue being black or being defined as such. Just as I am defined as a woman, a lover of God, a great cook, short in stature(5ft to be exact), beautiful, etc..I am all of that and more. Now those who choose to place lables upon me because of their own lack of self worth will have to deal with that themselves.I love my culture, india arie says it best.."brown skin, i love your brown skin..i don't know where i end and u begin.."
the good nurse
What's happenin' Sista Nurse?!
what's up DV! U know u my N*&%a if u don't get no bigger!!!! I loves u dude. U keep it raw and real..and u know er'body is not able to handle that.
ps. love the photo of your babygirl below..'no war please' she is a heartbreaker..
TGN
Robyn...
Please do not, in effect, come to II's rescue. She can handle these simple questions herself. Please have patience. The questions are far from abstract.
So, what's up, II. Will you please answer these simple questions?
(1) Who mistreated/mistreats people who are black solely because they are black?
(2) How did the people who mistreated people solely because they are black know that the people they mistreated solely because they are black know that these people are black?
1. Who? You want me to name each person individually?
2. Oh goodness Fisher, after 9/11 several Sikh Indians were murdered because Americans mistakenly deemed them Arab because they wore a turban. That doesn't make Sikh Indians Arab just because White people say so. A Mexican guy here in LA got chased down by two guys after being mistaken for an Arab. That doesn't make him Arab.
Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood founder Sayyid Qutb came to UCLA in the 1950's to study. He was told to sit on the back of the bus because he was Black. Does that make him Black or does he get to define his ethnicity?
Is your argument, in essence, that Black people are defined by the motives of those who are mean to any of them?
II...
"That doesn't make Sikh Indians Arab just because White people say so."
You used the term "White People". Who defines who is "White People"?
"He was told to sit on the back of the bus because he was Black. Does that make him Black or does he get to define his ethnicity?"
I did not ask you about "ethnicity". I asked you about COLOR.
But since you desire to talk about ethnicity:
Are there "white people" of the Arab ethnicity?
Are there "black people" of the Arab ethnicity?
II...
"1. Who? You want me to name each person individually?"
Your request for a clarification is justified.
Let rephrase the questions:
(1) What COLOR were/are the people who mistreated/mistreats people who are black solely because they are black?
(2) How did/do the people (whose COLOR we have not yet determined) who are/were mistreating people solely because they are black know that the people they mistreated solely because they are black know that these people are black?
This entire discussion about color is silly Fisher. You are trying to rationalize, through this never-ending dialectic, why defining yourself based upon a White supremacist construct is acceptable.
If you define yourself as Black because people have been mean to you because they classified you as Black, then just say so. But don't ask me to sign off on this.
People refer to human beings from my part of the world as Middle Eastern. And people are mean to me because they classify me as such. But that doesn't make me a Middle Easterner. Middle East of what? Britain. Why should I allow myself to be lumped into the same category as Iranians, Turks and Afghanis notwithstanding the fact that we don't speak the same language, we don't have the same culture and are unlikely to be racially the same.
The term Middle Eastern is a White supremacist lazy construct that denies individual culture and so is color constructed definitions.
I have yet to meet a "Black" person from Africa who says "I'm Black". They say "I'm Ghanaian, I'm Ethiopian", etc. etc. Reducing an entire continent of racially, culturally, linguistically diverse people to "Black" is a disservice to each of their cultures. It denies the uniqueness of each of their civilizations.
Black as a cultural construct in America makes sense, based on shared experience, but I know Creoles who get bent out of shape when people tell them they aren't Black. Are they? Culturally? Racially?
Because if we're talking about color, the ones I know would probably be classified as "yellow". :-)
point of clarification, Creoles are indeed Black.
okay continue.
Fisher asks,
(1) Who mistreated/mistreats people who are black solely because they are black?
(2) How did the people who mistreated people solely because they are black know that the people they mistreated solely because they are black know that these people are black?
----
Let me answer this empty rhetorical question.
(1)
The same people who go to church on Sunday and talk about Jesus.
Question two.
They must have gotten some burned Tofu.
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I hope this is settled now.
Fisher you are ridiculous in your long winded arguments.
Reality is this.
The whole black white thing is bullshit, and I will swear to that on my girl friends black ass ~!~
point of clarification, Creoles are indeed Black.
And this is exactly my point. Who gets the privilege of defining who is Black and what is Black? Is it racial or cultural? What if there is a Creole who says, "I am French, Indian and African"? Then what?
My ex before I met my husband is Creole and he got mistaken for Mexican or Latin of some sort all the time. And he never told me any stories about being mistreated for being Black. He defined himself as Creole, not Black.
One of my girls is Creole but she has more of that Eva Longoria look. No one will ever mistake her for being Black, but she is a proud Black woman. Since no one is mean to her for being Black, does she cease to be Black?
Another of my friends from law schools. He's a Kappa, proud as hell of being Black, but the guy is high yella, barely curly hair, green eyes and incredibly fair-skinned. No one in law school knew he was Black unless he told them.
Fisher, this color discussion is absurd. Do these three people cease to be Black if no one is mean to them for it? Or is it self-defined as each of these people sees fit.
A heavy dose of burnt tofu.
No one likes.
Lets be god damned happy that we are alive and human.
If any one finds joy and happiness with another, it is a great blessing.
Labels come off.
People are people.
We got to live together.
We are all god`s (natures) creatures.
Peace.
Michael,
The insurmountable absurdity on this thread is that your correspondents are pretending that racism is an individual phenomenon, when in fact, it has always, only, and ever been a systematic collective behavioural phenomenon.
II, SS, and all the rest - are ducking the issue, and you're not succinctly denying them their silly evasions. You're talking past one another. Not because you're obfuscating, but because they are.
Prometheus6 is the undisputed master of denial of evasion and I've witnessed him mercilessly crush this nonsense at least a dozen times over the past few years.
There is a simple formula for smacking people around logically because they insist that racism is an individual aberration as opposed to a systemic pattern. Moreover, there's a term for describing the liars who engage in this form of evasion, he calls them "people of the word".
If you're curious, go google dwshelf over at P6. We used to call this fool the hassenpfeffer because of his byzantine reality evasions. There are some fat, happy, and unchallenged hassenpfeffer's hopping around in the tall clover over here at DV I see, as well.
I only wish I had more time to put on the Elmer Fudd duds and come hunting....,
CNulan,
Why post if you don't plan to contribute to the discussion?
There is a simple formula for smacking people around logically because they insist that racism is an individual aberration as opposed to a systemic pattern.
This isn't a discussion about racism. It's a discussion about White supremacy and colorism. Race exists and racism exists. So, with what do you disagree?
"II, SS, and all the rest - are ducking the issue"
LOL.
They do that all the time, cnulan.
I suspect that II is certainly a white woman, but that she tries to use her "ethnicity" as an Arab to be a "non-white" for the purpose of this forum.
Skip obviously is a white boy otherwise he would not have postulated a choice between "colored people" and "people" since, in actuality ALL people are colored. But since he, as a white boy, thinks of "colorless", that is "white people" as the default, that is how he had to present the choice.
Brotha DV is just confused about racial dynamics. For example, he thinks II likes him. She actually only uses him.
Skip...
"The whole black white thing is bullshit, and I will swear to that on my girl friends black ass ~!~"
Translation:
"Fuck you, Nigger for even questioning me. I'm Billy Bob Thornton."
Fisher,
You're just full of shit. Spouting a whole lot of nonsense, attempting to force your simplistic notions down everyone else's throats. And when they don't buy them, it's because they're White, assimilationist, blah, blah, blah.
You whine about DV name-calling, but you do it all the time when you don't feel like answering a question.
And it's comedy that you accuse others of ducking when you have yet to answer the question that began this thread - how do you whine incessantly about White supremacy but accept its philosophies for your self-definition?
It's apparent you don't care what anyone else has to say about anything, so I don't really understand why you bother? Is it your hope that one day we will all say, "God Dammit Fisher, you're a genius and we've been wrong and you've been right all along?"
Skip.
I know your type. You are a white racist who loves to fuck black women.
It's ok. Be yourself. Don't pretend.
EVERY white person knows that White Supremacy as a System of Control over non-white, and particularly black people is in existence.
The very fact that you (and II) deny that fact shows that you are racist white folks who try to deceive non-white people.
You know EXACTLY what I am talking about and it just gets your goat that an "impertinent black boy" as you've been trained to see black men is pulling your coat.
Ready for what you REALLY want to call me? Or are you too scared?
II..
The same goes for you.
You have no problem lamenting the systematic white supremacy/racism of white people called Jews who define all Arabs as non-white, though most Arabs shudder the thought of being "non-white".
But when it comes to black folk, White Supremacy is in "black people's minds", that is, it is a fantasy.
You are a worse hypocrite than Skip.
A "Creole" boyfriend. LOL. You can't even admit a black man stuck his dick in you.
For a lot of white people, everyday life doesn't demand a comparison of what they have - compared to others - or - an examination of their place in the social scheme.
They live in a world where most of the people around them have the same privileges, benefits, and opportunities they have.
Freedom from constant reminders of difference is indeed a position of privilege.
It's that very freedom from reminders that can make some people blind to those differences, to the point of denying their existence...,
Well meaning white people are especially dangerous because they consider themselves 'comfortable' with non-Whites...,
Yeah, well, nulan. Fuck 'em.
cnulan said...
Michael,
The insurmountable absurdity on this thread is that your correspondents are pretending that racism is an individual phenomenon, when in fact, it has always, only, and ever been a systematic collective behavioural phenomenon.
LOL.
I like this cat.
He's got style and he aint scared.
I'm going to eat dinner with the kids, say prayers, tell em story, kiss them good night. Later, I'll come back and clear this race shit up.
Welcome to the blog Cnulan.
How do you construct whiteness or white people without a black referent? You do so with any other "other" that happens to be handy. In other words, those with whom you are familiar and with whom you differ in matters of language, religion, custom - supply the lexicon and concepts of "difference" that constitute the building blocks of your own identity.
The mechanism, process and content for defining yourself in relation or even opposition to "them" is already present (say in the formulation "low country Irish" versus "highland Irish" or some such). The distinctions that already exist (especially if the identity-forming process is one of opposition) then lend themselves readily to application to any other "others" subsequently encountered.
The most up-to-the-minute explicit rhetorical formulation of white supremacy is "conservatism".
Conservatism is a form (indeed the original form) of identity politics. It is expressed through multiple forms of political ideology based on justifying elite rule and the division of the human race into dualized classes (ideal and counter-ideal) in terms of some “natural” moral order.
Conservatism appears in various forms as the rationalizations and dualized classes shift over time, and in three distinct states of realization, reflecting different levels of development of the self. The overt rationalizations commonly mistaken for conservative ideology are, in fact, derivative phenomena—tertiary at best. The primary phenomena is the creation of a conservative identity, the subject of conservative political narratives. The secondary phenomena is the supporting ideology of superior and inferior groups, casting conservative identity as something to be preserved, promoted, and defended against the forces of evil, embodied in its demonized others. The primary and secondary phenomena are relatively constant over time, while the tertiary phenomena vary considerably.
Explicit white supremacists have dominated American politics for the past 12 years, acquiring total dominance in the past 8. The disastrous effects of this overt resurgence are fairly self-evident, though the real global seismic shift they're intended to produce has not begun to manifest in earnest yet.....,
Fisher,
Like I said, you really are full of shit. And your pathetic, crying ass needed CNulan to come save you because you couldn't keep up.
I give no more credence to how Jews define Arabs than to how Whites define Blacks. It's irrelevant.
You are the world's biggest hypocrite, crying like a big baby day in day out about White supremacy, but then happily admitting your sole basis for defining yourself as Black is because White people called you that.
Name call all you like Fisher. You are defined by those who you supposedly encourage Black folks to be independent from. Practice what you preach. All the insults you hurl at me will never change that fact.
Cnulan, I am going to give you the most coveted idiot of the day award.
I was going to give it to fisher, but your pseudo intellectual babble won out. It was a close call though. Feel honored for either being stupid or ignorant. I don`t know you well enough to judge.
"Well meaning white people are especially dangerous because they consider themselves 'comfortable' with non-Whites...,"
--- What rock did you crawl out from under ?
Moorish Spain was a crucial laboratory in the invention of "whiteness." The "white" identity that emerged after the Reconquest of Spain (especially the fall of Grenada in 1492) had been shaped and nurtured in the conflict between Islam and Christianity. Much of the construction of "blackness" that supplied critical elements in the formation of white identity came into Europe via the Arabs and Islam. Arab ethnographers of the era did much to create and disseminate the negative stereotypes of African peoples that eventually cohered to form the central tenets and beliefs of racist ideology.
Although the rhetoric expressed by Arabic ethnographers went a long way in laying the foundation for the emergence of modern racist thought, Muslim scholars, unlike their later Euro-American counterparts, never developed the concept of polygenesis (the theory that “blacks” evolved separately) to explain the purported savagery and barbarism of Africans. Their strict adherence to the Qur’anic teachings that all humans descended from a single soul prevented them from questioning the underlying unity of the human family. Yet, what Arabic writers like Al-Idrisi, Said al-Andalusi, Ibn Khaldun, Al-Masudi, Ibn Battuta, Ibn al-Faqih, Nasiri al-Din Tutsi and others said about “blacks” could provide a primer for Racism 101, and did, in a sense, for the masses of literate Muslims and non-Muslims educated in the Islamic world.
Arabic ethnographic discourse was disseminated throughout the Islamic empire in the form of adab — urbane secular Arabic writing - that included history, geography and popular literature. According to Al-Azmeh, a contemporary Arab scholar, “Adab was the means of cultivating a common cultural identity, and the mirror-image of this identity and its shades, which was barbarism in its many gradations, was a mode in which exclusion buttressed and sharpened the social boundaries of a reflexive culture." What Al-Azmeh benignly refers to as “the social boundaries of a reflexive culture,” barely describes the religious ideology and ethnocentric ethos that dictated and governed the social constructions of “self” and “other” in Islamic society. Through the literary vehicle of adab, Arabic writers popularized and institutionalized stereotypic notions of “black” barbarity that eventually became widely adopted tropoi in Western literature. Arabic ethnography infiltrated European thought through the internationally renowned centers of learning in Moorish Spain. The translation and dissemination of Arabic ethnographic discourse throughout Europe from the widely studied and imitated corpus of Arabic literature provided the intellectual foundation and impetus for the development of anti-black racism and Eurocentrism in the late medieval and early modern eras.
So, those folks from Europe extrapolated all of the negative "qualities" they had previously associated with "other" to those others they encountered first in nearby regions, next in Muslim Europe, and then in Africa. Religious wars and the trade in African slaves thus gave impetus to the founding and grounding of "whiteness" and "white" identity.
Later, as "blackness" was commodified in the massive European expansion into the so-called New World, Euro-American thinkers tried to place their colonial policies on a scientific foundation and the pseudo-science of biological race was invented.
Michael,
Did you notice how the hassenpfeffers broke on separate evasion trajectories into the tall clover...?
One squirted pee and and went to impotent name calling, the other was a bit more circumspect, waiting to see exactly what the phuk Elmer Fudd has up his sleeve.
Bottom line, this is almost down to Big Dick Cheney time, you know, shooting bunny rabbits in a barrel.
yawn...., kinda boring dood - no meaningful challengers here. I must say, DV got a helluva blog though - I'm loving his steeze ever since you brought it to my attention.
Though he's not girded his loins to resist white supremacy, I don't get the sense that he's an unwitting agent of the WSD like my poor deluded homie Cobb....,
Guess what.
No matter black or white or what ever, in the middle east they would cut your balls off and make you a slave if they were in the mood.
Whats your point ? That people are phucked up ? We know that already.
Got any thing positive to say, or are you one big negative downer with a chip on your shoulder, that needs nurturing by repeating the same bullshit ?
So how do you propose to change things, or do you just want to fight it out, using concepts and tales from the past.
Any solutions ?
Or just hectoring.
yawn...., kinda boring dood - no meaningful challengers here. I must say, DV got a helluva blog though - I'm loving his steeze ever since you brought it to my attention.
Though he's not girded his loins to resist white supremacy
---- I repeat, what rock did you crawl out from under ?
skip, skip, skip, skip, skip.....,
you're so simple. what am I going to do with you?
nighty night gang - I've gotta be productive tomorrow...,
What the fuck happened here?
Mike, I got lost somewhere in between you calling II white and telling her who she fucked. I must say, its disappointing to see your contributions dwindle to sex-based rants. You typed all that shit all day long and all you managed to gather was that II had a creole ex boyfriend??!! and that Skip was white??!! In a word, okay two, duh nigga!
I'm not above a good debate that includes a few curse words and insults, but I'ma tell you, you crossed the line in the comment to II. She responded gracefully, but I would have been so graceful. I would have told you that you could kiss my ass and that I would prefer if you didnt spend all day thinking and me and my fuckin. But thats just me.
And for the record, I'm Black!
Skip...
"in the middle east they would cut your balls off and make you a slave"
Michael Richards...
"Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with afucking fork up your ass"
II...
"All the insults you hurl at me will never change that fact."
What do you consider an insult? That I said you are a hypocite or that I said you had a black man's dick in you?
Now, I've pointed out that you are a hypocrite before. Numerous times. But I NEVER got to see you so UPSET. Given the former, by process of elimination, it's got to be the fact that I pointed out that you had a black man's, and not a "Creole's" dick inside you.
Now except for DV, myself, cnulan, and possibly Skip, no one here on this thread would get insulted if it was pointed out that they had had a black man's dick inside them at one point or another.
Why are you?
cnulan...
"Moorish Spain was a crucial laboratory in the invention of "whiteness."
Well, you see what happens when you practice racism. Eventually it comes back and bites you in the ass. That's what done happened to the Arabs.
MF: Why are you?
Becuase in a fashion common among some men, when II challenged you and you didnt have a comeback (given your saying nothing all damn day) you resorted to trying to tear her down sexually. You tried to degrade her by assuming 1) that she was white and 2) that she slept with someone black.
Then when she's offended, you try and make it a racial isssue when you know damn well you were being an asshole! Dont front. You too old for that shit. If your gonna insult, do so and own it. Dont pull the "what did I say?" routine
Robyn...
"What the fuck happened here?
Mike, I got lost somewhere in between you calling II white and telling her who she fucked."
Robyn, ultimately for white racists it all comes down to sex.
Nobody asked him, but Skip had to point out that he had a "black girlfriend" and access to her "ass". That's white people code for "I'm fucking a black woman". "Therefore I am not a racist."
That's the crude version of "my best friend is black" with the nasty sexual dominance undertone.
Nobody asked her, but II had to point out that she had a "Creole" boyfriend (not friend, boyfriend), that's white people code for "I've fucked a colored guy so I'm not racist". However, she is so damn racist that she couldn't bring herself to admit that the "Creole" was a black man.
That's the crude version of "my best friend is colored" With the nasty sexual, "but I ain't neva gonna fuck a nigger" undertone.
So I called her out on it.
That's all.
Robyn...
"(given your saying nothing all damn day)"
Robyn, I trade currencies for a living. There's been a virtual hurricane going thru the currency markets all day. I ain't about to forgoe a nice piece of cash for answering a thread. I answer when I can.
okay, i'll admit. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
on the first part.
Ok boo.
This has been a hot one!
Fisher you really are a dumb ass, and will probably lose your ass, trading paper. Ha ha.
Also, you seem to see things only through a warped lens of second hand thinking.
Why tangle up who is screwing who to make a point about racial crap.
Did you ever screw a white women ?
And if you did, so what ?
You seize on the petty.
Would it bother you if I screwed your sister ?
Why ?
Are you saying it is not normal for any humans to screw any humans for any other reason than they just feel like it?
I do not expect a serious answer.
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