paul said... Mr. Fisher,
Being an entrepreneur myself, I respect Curtis Jackson's ability to generate large sums of income. One of the products he sells (rap) can strongly be argued to have a negative impact on our community and I would love for him to take accountability for that. In a similar fashion, I would love Hank Aaron to take accountability for the 13 artery clogging Church's Chicken fast food joints he owns. We live in a capitalistic society and neither one of them is doing anything illegal. Should he get the 'noble uplifting product of the year' award...no. His ethics obviously can be questioned. Is he (and Hank) a damn good business man...absolutely.
Being an entrepreneur myself, I respect Curtis Jackson's ability to generate large sums of income. One of the products he sells (rap) can strongly be argued to have a negative impact on our community and I would love for him to take accountability for that. In a similar fashion, I would love Hank Aaron to take accountability for the 13 artery clogging Church's Chicken fast food joints he owns. We live in a capitalistic society and neither one of them is doing anything illegal. Should he get the 'noble uplifting product of the year' award...no. His ethics obviously can be questioned. Is he (and Hank) a damn good business man...absolutely. 
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Being an entrepreneur myself, I tend to respect people who deserve respect. That rarely has very much to do with the amount of money a person has been able to amass. That particular facility usually has much less to do with the type of person than it does with circumstances. A good businessman in my estimation is someone who does business in a fashion designed to uplift the communities that their business is a part of.
That means you don't sell poison to people in your community and call it good business. Whether it's poison food, poison messages, poison information, or anything else that would tend to bring your community down. It's a sad state of affairs that businesses and business owners these days are most often not part of the community, and are there only to rape the community for all the resources they can get. It's an even sadder state of affairs that it is evidently quite profitable.
It's not even pure capitalism, because that economic system is is a symbiotic relationship, dependent on a thriving consumer base, not the parasitic predatory business practices prevalent today that do more to destroy than enhance that consumer base. Once they have taken all the blood there is to drain out of a community, these businesses just move on to the next victim.
Those types of business practices are most certainly not deserving of the approval or respect of people of good conscience.
Exodus, you're definition of a "good businessman" is broader than mine. My "good businessman" definition has little to do with the character of a person. To me, it's simply ones ability to sell products at a margin to consumers. So i suspect you don't think Sam Walton was a good businessman either?
I would argue that capitalism is not a "symbiotic relationship" between sellers and consumers. Capitalism is based on greed. IMO "true" capitalism is exploitation of a free market. Bill Gates is the poster child for modern day capitalism. You probably don't think he's a good businessman either.
Paul,
You are da bomb.
the good nurse
What's happenin' Nurse Cook!
You always bring a welcome dose of feminine energy to this group of intellectual roughnecks.
Further proving brothas need sistas.
"My 'good businessman' definition has little to do with the character of a person. To me, it's simply ones ability to sell products at a margin to consumers."
Paul.
Where do you live? I need to meet up with ya. I got some homos that's gonna pay me good money for delivering them a cute negro whom they can fuck up the ass. I showed them yopu pic and you fit their bill. Same with a few other Negroes I caught up with.
This shit'll make me a ton of money.
Certainly you don't mind my sellingg ya ass. Literally. It's just business, and I know I'll be ya hero either way. Since what counts is the $$$ I make and not what I sell.
You down?
Sheeet, Dwight (Exodus).
And I was seriously considering having Paul do the web work on the East Africa commercial project we're working on.
'specially since we're all in Atlanta.
Fuckin' disappointment.
C'est la vie.
Mr. Fisher,
I'm not cute and I don't swing that way. I suspect you ALSO don't think Bill Gates is a good businessman?
BTW when I say "good", I don't mean in terms of good vs. evil. Someone can be a good con artist, which simply means they are focused, driven and successful at conning.
Paul, you remain on point. Fish be on that bullshit most times.
Paul.
Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about ethics in business.
Just one or two posts below DV complains about David Brooks selling defect armored vests.
By your definition Brooks is praiseworthy, deserving of your respect and to be emulated.
So then should I be respected if I had you kidnapped and sold you to a cabal of battyboys right here in the ATL.
Or for that matter the folks that brought your ancestors to America in chains should be emulated.
DV
Why are Hip Hop artists blamed for everything from gun violence to tooth decay? What fuels the hypocrisy of the Rap Haters?
Guess you have to find some rap haters to answer that question because there are no rap haters on the blog. Just truth sayers... You dig?
Michael...I am so with you on this one...my point exactly!
Micheal,
Please. Paul has stated his position as it relates to the "good vs evil" thing in business. He is not agreeing with the madness just understanding the power of the method. Hard work, vision, preserverence, dedication and good connections work in business..rather your business be crack sales or Baby Phat.
and like i said...
Paul
you
da
bomb.
the good nurse
Michael. did not mean to mispell your name. sorry.
TGN
and i meant whether....
okay, i am finished :)
Michael Fisher said...
"Just one or two posts below DV complains about David Brooks selling defect armored vests."
Nah Brother Mike.
Again you are mistaken. DV is not complaining about Brooks making $250M selling defective vests.
DV is pointing out the disproportionate hatred and misplaced anger directed towards young brothas like Curtis Jackson - while Plantation Negros are conspicuously silent when the violator of their little fragile moral code happens to be a white Jew.
Come on ya'll. Admit it. Fess up. You hate Fiddy because he is a Nigga from the streets who is beating the Plantation at it's own game. His success rubs Negros who play by the rules the wrong way.
It's comforting for bourgeois negros unable to compete with whites to think they are at least better off than those .... street Niggas.
Tell the truth.
All the psychobabble mumbo jumbo about the words "nigga, bitch and ho" is BS used to justify bitchy jealousy and hatred.
Curtis Jackson flipping $10M into $400M while Roland Tucker of Morehouse or Rutgers busts his ass to clear $5K a month just tears some Negros up.
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DV,
kill 'em.
TGN
"Again you are mistaken. DV is not complaining about Brooks making $250M selling defective vests."
you should.
"His success rubs Negros who play by the rules the wrong way."
Last time Negro.
Fitty plays by the rules. His Massa's.
I done made my not so insubstantial money playing against them rules. Had I been playing by Fitty's Massa's rules I woulda been a billionaire many times ova. Not that I won't be anyhow.
Sell out Niggas like Fitty are a dime a dozen. Massa chooses one or two and gets them paid.
Now you go on and try something in yo Massa's territory that goes against his wishes and make money.
Then, only then, you'se a baller.
So chill shill.
Be a man and stop tryin' to suck Fitty's dick.
Michael Fisher said...
Then, only then, you'se a baller.
So chill shill.
Be a man and stop tryin' to suck Fitty's dick. "
Ahhh Mike.
Why you have to go there brother? See, I've been bending over backwards trying to be nice your monkey ass.
But Nooooooo ....
You gotta go on with this little fake - Spook Sat By The Door - "I Invented Hip Hop" - "Puffy Work For Me" routine.
Nigga you booked concerts.
You say you made a couple of dollars. Congratulations. At the end of the day you still a functionary. A cog. A bus driver. An accountant. A promoter. A Glorified Travel Agent. A bean counter. A middleman.
You tell the story like Hip Hop wouldn't exist if it wasn't for you.
G.T.F.O.H.
You a bystander.
Yet you want to get on the internet and hate on black men whose shine makes you obscure.
Ergo the hate.
And there is nothing more, on a man's dick, than hating him.
Amen! All this time, I thought it was just me.
And I'm going to instigate just a little bit more.....I asked around and googled some of those names Mike likes to drop. All of them came up, except his..............
okay, im back, i think my favorite part is when you called him "a cog." Drink some Pinot, then read that part again, im wiping tears way. LMAO.
"Nigga you booked concerts."
DV.
Hmmm.
See, you don't even know the simple difference between a Concert Promoter and a booking agent.
So what's the difference, DV?
You did "tours"? Yeah, right.
DV. You ain't a playahata, you a playalova. You'se a fan., baby. A FAN.
All you do, all night all day, is suck these nigga's dicks. Fitty this, Snoop that. Like you live through these guys. Vicariously.
These Niggas don't give a good fuck about you.
You come off like one of Snoop's personal hos.
It's a shame that an otherwise obviously highly intelligent man hoes out like this.
It's beneath your obvious intelligence. I would hope it's also beneath you as a person.
Why don't you finally come out from behind that avatar into the light of day?
Robyn,
I thought you said you were tired of this topic?
"DV is pointing out the disproportionate hatred and misplaced anger directed towards young brothas like Curtis Jackson -while Plantation Negros are conspicuously silent when the violator of their little fragile moral code happens to be a white Jew."
Ain't nobody hating on Curtis. See if it were not Curtis it would be Tyrone or Calvin in his place. See Curtis is disposable to the fickle consumer will dismiss him any minute. See Iovine and the AIPAC have been in this game controlling shit long before Curtis and will be well beyond Curtis. Curtis is just the House Negro of the Month. Jimmy gave him a pot of gold in exchange for his soul. And he took it. Now in his defense many from the hood would have done the same thing. It still does not make them or him some leader or icon for any of our kids to emulate. That's the difference in our debates. You seem to think that it's ok to sell anything regardless of the promotion. Shit you are probably OK with Kentucky Fried Chicken commercials played only during the Vibe Awards Show and the cereal commercials to kids during cartoon time. As long as it makes money you are cool widit! Right DV? See this ain't about Plantation Negros or House Negros or Jews or Christians because you honestly don't know what others are doing to challenge the issues your guessing. This about your moral standards. You can only speak for yourself. So why not stop the political mumbo jumbo and justifing 50 by introducing the deeds of Negros you don't know and confess the real deep seeded reasons why you support Fiddy and that is because you are a FAN! There are some several thousand gansta rap artist dropping lyrcis. But you only constantly post references to Fiddy, Jay Z and Snoop but not Master P the one rapper not totally controlled by the Jew man. Now why is that DV? You are not a conformist but the man who bucks the traditional system you dismiss and the men who follow massa's protocol you endorse and blame Negros you don't no for their displeasure. Why is that DV?
DV said "Come on ya'll. Admit it. Fess up. You hate Fiddy because he is a Nigga from the streets who is beating the Plantation at it's own game. His success rubs Negros who play by the rules the wrong way.
It's comforting for bourgeois negros unable to compete with whites to think they are at least better off than those .... street Niggas"
Upon further review, I must admit that I am a hater. I must be, because I don't give props to the big time dope boys who live in my Grandmother's neighborhood. They out there hustlin, making they paper, saying fuck the white man's rules. The dope boys got better cars than I do, they got more bling than me, they got all the fly gear. I must be jealous of that if I don't spend my time singing their praises.
If you can agree with that, then I am in the wrong place looking for intelligent Black people.
It surely isn't about the words nigga, bitch, or hoe. I been known to use those words myself, and I would never hold the simple utterance of a word against nobody. Cat call my mama or my wife a hoe or bitch, then that real street nigga gone come out for real. White boy call me a nigger out of hatred it's time to go to war, but any of my homies can call and say "Wassup Nigga!" and it won't be nothin but love. In other words, everything should be evaluated from a totality of circumstances perspective, and not just on superficial first impression.
So I guess I do hate, if that means that people who don't deserve my respect don't get it.
Perhaps you mistake jealousy for righteous indignation that those who can and should do more, often don't do anything, and in fact are often part and parcel of the problem.
Why yall can't understand that Curtis Jackson making money ain't really got nothing to do with Curtis Jackson? At least the dope boy in the hood can say he carved out his territory, established his on distribution system, and makes his own decisions. Do you actually think Curtis was sitting at home perusing the stock reports to find a good soft drink company to invest in, or is it far more likely that his handlers and financial advisers got him to put his money where they wanted it, and if it make him more money that's all good because they are getting the lion's share anyway?
Here's a thought. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. I am indifferent to anyone, Black or White, rich or poor, famous, infamous, or unknown, who does not earn my respect. I am indifferent to 50, Snoop, and all the rest who have not earned my respect by their words and actions. Some of you who are jocking them so hard might want to ask yourself what it is they have done to earn yours. And if it's all about the money, you might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Let's be real.
Bottom line is this...
DV rails against the Neo-Cons and zionist Jews and their Arab collaborators who occupy Palestine, but he doesn't say jack about the neo-cons and zionist Jews who occupy our natural resource, our culture and their black collaborators like Fitty et al.
Bottom line is, DV is more concerned about what the Zionists and Neo-Cons are doing to Arabs than what they are doing to Black folk.
Me, I really don't give a f**k about either the Arab Zionists or the Jewish Zionists. Imma black man. That's my priority.
Anything else is secondary.
Exodus Mentality,
When you first came on this board, I had hoped you would prove to be intellectually agile, and able to bring a fresh perspective.
I was wrong.
You appear to be another one of these brothers playing checkers at a chess tournament. You are off base on nearly every point.
1) You confuse comparing and contrasting the relative media strategies of successful Hip Hop stars to the horribly unsuccessful media strategies of black politicians, corporate Negros and marginalized black leaders with - “praising” rappers.
2) In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King. Money talks in this country. I applaud Curtis Jackson’s clever use of a $400 M lie to capture the attention of millions of conformist consumers.
You think I'm talking about money. I'm talking about bait. Recognize game.
3) You are a hater. But not for the self-serving reasons you suggest. Your need to reduce another brother’s business accomplishment by characterizing them as the product of his white “handlers”, while having no evidence to support such a claim, indicates you wish to pretend this brother is incapable of managing such a lucrative and complex deal.
Do you feel smarter than Fiddy? I've read his shit and I've read yours. Why?
You don't hate rappers. You're just threatened by them.
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I was going to let this go, but you absolutely floored me with the last comment DV. "You confuse comparing and contrasting the relative media strategies of successful Hip Hop stars to the horribly unsuccessful media strategies of black politicians, corporate Negros and marginalized black leaders with - “praising” rappers."
At what point did this discussion become about relative media strategies? We can discuss this if you like, but here again, I would have to give much of the credit to his handlers. I have seen Fiddy in the media and I have not been impressed by the things he says and does. The fact that he may be well-liked in some circles doesn't impress me as indicative of any particular media savvy.
The post of the week specifically speaks to respecting 50 and Hank Arron for their ability to "generate large sums of income". That is all I have responded to or commented on through this entire thread. The simple fact that I don't think you brothers and sisters should be jocking anybody purely based on their ability to generate large sums of income. That is a serious problem in this society, the fact that people are judged on the basis of their wealth and in most cases, that wealth is not created by virtue of any laudable traits or activities of the wealthy individual. Based on the comments on this post, that is indeed a fresh perspective in here.
I think you're talking about money, because that is what you are talking about. BAIT? You are going to have to explain that a little bit more. What exactly is Fiddy trying to catch? Who is the prey here? Are you saying to me that Fiddy is secretly working on a plan to overthrow white supremacy by amassing large sums of money and then demonstrating how great of a consumer he is (because he produces absolutely nothing of significance that I am aware of.) You are absolutely correct in that I do not recognize this particular game. I would appreciate it if you could drop some science on me so I won't be so confused about this master plan.
You may be right about me incorrectly characterizing Fiddy as a product of his white handlers. I am absolutely sure that's the case with his rap career, but I will admit that I am making an assumption regarding the purchase of the soft drink company. If you have information that refutes that contention, I would love to see it. I get no pleasure from my feelings on this subject, and I would actually be very pleased to find that I was wrong in this regard.
So please point me to this shit of his that you have read that will hopefully give me some basis for feeling the type of respect you obviously feel for the man. I only hope that his accomplishments are something other than trading on fame to sell more shit that nobody needs. That's not business acumen that's opportunism, which does play a large role in some business success stories, so I suppose I should at least publicly give Fiddy props for being a good opportunist.
Last but not least, you mentioned intellectual agility. If you have actually read my stuff, what little of it there is to read, you would know that I categorically disclaim that I am smarter than anyone. I don't position myself that way, so if you got that impression, I'm not sure how, but it's not what I put out there. All I am is real. I simply call it like I see it, something that I think is sorely missing in the realm of public discourse these days. Most other people seem to be focused more on saying the things that will make them a popular with this group or that group. I'm not saying that's you, and in fact I come back here because some of your insights impressed me. And your intellectual agility is in no doubt with me, because you have managed to go all this time without specifically addressing the points that I raised. What is the difference between the love you feel for Fiddy money making and how you feel about the economic advancements of other less notorious ghetto superstars who engage in pharmaceutical distribution?
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