Where you at Brother PHX? You aint still parroting that NPRish meme that says "Yeah, the revolt is a bullshit globalist ploy to steal oil ... but Qaddafi is such a baaaad guy ... it's ok" are you?
Richmond Muhammad said...
Brother I've been thinking the same thing. Also where are the dead civilians that Gadhafi has been killing? You would think the so called rebels would be happy to show the Race Bannon looking faggot Anderson Cooper at CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, Al Jarerza etc. all the dead bodies to rally the world against Gadhafi. Only dead I've seen has been the BLACK LIBYANS who have been murdered in cold blood by these white Arabs in eastern Libya.
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Brother I've been thinking the same thing. Also where are the dead civilians that Gadhafi has been killing? You would think the so called rebels would be happy to show the Race Bannon looking faggot Anderson Cooper at CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, Al Jarerza etc. all the dead bodies to rally the world against Gadhafi. Only dead I've seen has been the BLACK LIBYANS who have been murdered in cold blood by these white Arabs in eastern Libya.
Casualties of the 2011 Libyan civil war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_civil_war
NPRish or Qadaffi apologists ish? I haven't heard that the CIA or NATO has stolen Libyan oil yet - but keep me posted. I'm pretty sure we'll all hear about it when it happens.
We already know Qadaffi's a fucking bad guy. I can't argue against some sort of half-assed post-modern reading that NO WORLD LEADER IS ANY WORSE THAN ANY OTHER WORLD LEADER (your post March 29). If I find myself in an argument with someone who holds THAT conviction, then I'm already violating my rules of engagement: don't argue with crazy people. No, you ain't crazy but your position, that it's absurd to suggest any one leader is more of a despot than the others, IS crazy and completely untenable. If THAT'S your position, then there's no arguing with you.
Give it your best shot. I'll make a good faith effort to understand the theory that one leader is just as much of a despot as any other leader, that any means of measuring this are somehow bullshit. If you can school me I'm open. I won't front.
phx is qadaffi more of a fucking bad guy than Barack Obama?
If so how?
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Anonymous I don't have to argue that Qadaffi is more of a bad guy than Obama. But if you want to try to argue that Qadaffi is not worse than Obama or any other leader, have a go at it.
Brother Muhammad!
You ask one hell of a question.
Where are all of these dead "civilians" Qaddafi was personally "straffing" with air strikes?
When the "air strikes" were proven another CIA / Corporate media lie ... no one flinched. The invasion went ahead as planned.
Funny.
Plantation Negros are so accustomed to being lied to by the corporate government ... they've come to think of the truth as if it were somehow ... strange.
"phx is qadaffi more of a fucking bad guy than Barack Obama?" Anonymous
lol.
Biiiiing Goooooo
You hit it Anonymous.
Brother Phx seems oblivious to this very important phenomenon.
To call Qaddafi ... "bad" ... is meaningless ... unless you have something good with which to compare him.
Good and Bad are relative.
The meme planted in the heads of Americans is 'yeah, the bombing and invasion of Libya is illegal, immoral, deadly, expensive and ultimately not in the interests of the people of Libya or the people of the United States .... BUT ... Qaddafi is a "bad guy" ... so it's OK".
I ask ... WHAT IS SO FUCKING BAD ABOUT HIM?
The only answer is a non-answer along the lines of: "oh he's so bad, I can't take that question seriously!"
Nahhhhh.
What the fuck has this man done that is so egregious it justifies another invasion and destabilization equivalent to the invasions and destabilization done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Egypt?
Has he killed more people than has Barack Obama?
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Has he killed more 'civilians' than Benjamin Netanyahu?
Has he invaded any countries?
Whaaaaaat?
Come on P.
I'm curious than a muhfuggah.
What ... exactly ... makes you think Qaddafi is any more "bad" than any other leader?
(Please ... no links NeoCon propaganda masquerading as news)
The meme planted in the heads of Americans is 'yeah, the bombing and invasion of Libya is illegal, immoral, deadly, expensive and ultimately not in the interests of the people of Libya or the people of the United States .... BUT ... Qaddafi is a "bad guy" ... so it's OK".
Don’t ask me to defend the above meme – it's not mine.
I do believe Qadaffi is a “bad guy” – although that’s not why I believe the United Nations and the OAU were justified in authorizing a no-fly zone. I gather the reasons for the justification of the no-fly zone, enforced by NATO, are specific to the battle situation on the ground at the time it was implemented.
I believe the opposition in Libya has very specific reasons to want to revolt against Qadaffi – not just that he is a “bad guy.” I figured it wouldn’t be productive to discuss those reasons since your position seemed to be that Qadaffi is no better and no worse than any other leader, and you believe that’s true for all world leaders.
It also seems you want me to argue the merits of some other world leader (Obama) so that you don’t have to defend Qadaffi. This is like a teenage son or daughter who argues “DV’s parents let him get away with it. It’s the same situation! Why am I so worse than DV?”
But, we’re not talking about DV, we’re not talking about Obama, Glen Beck, Michael Vick or the Georgia Mass Choir. We’re talking about the indictment that has been leveled against Qadaffi, and whether it’s credible. Not whether there are people who are worse than Qadaffi.
Finding the indictment and charges against Qadaffi isn’t hard. Why should I do this if you believe there is no way we can say any one leader is any better or any worse than another? If I come back with reasonably credible sources documenting Qadaffi’s repression of media and press in Libya, will you then automatically dismiss it with, “It doesn’t matter what that source says. It’s no worse in any other state.”
If you believe all this is just relative, then why should anyone argue with you? There aren’t any standards in that world to uphold or defend. Not even “Well, this is a good source, but this a bad source.” According to you, it doesn’t matter WHAT the sources say. Qadaffi is no better and no worse than Obama, or any other leader.
"I do believe Qadaffi is a “bad guy” - Phx
Brother P ...
1) What is a "bad guy"?
2) Please provide us an example of any leader who you would not consider a "bad guy"
That should help us appreciate how you are using the term.
"– although that’s not why I believe the United Nations and the OAU were justified in authorizing a no-fly zone."
"United Nations?"
Who exactly ... is the "United Nations" and since when do they tell the American people who we should or should not invade and bomb?
You use the NeoCon propaganda term "No Fly Zone" when the fact is Libya was hit with 112 Tomahawk Missiles.
Please ... call it what it is.
BOMBING
"OAU"
You mean the organization of African puppets?
Come on P.
Where does the corporate globalist military industrial complex stop and the United Nations begin?
The "OAU" is nothing more than a puppet organization of washed up Africans on the payroll of international bankers.
"I gather the reasons for the justification of the no-fly zone, enforced by NATO, are specific to the battle situation on the ground at the time it was implemented." PHX
"NATO"?
Come on P. Put down the Kool-Aid brother.
Another meaningless acronym designed to give a warm and fuzzy presentation to an old fashioned and brutal act of war.
Nothing was "enforced by NATO".
The American military, with bombs, planes and missiles paid for by American taxpayers, killed Libyans under the pretense of protecting Libyans from the man who fucking built Libya.
"It also seems you want me to argue the merits of some other world leader (Obama) so that you don’t have to defend Qadaffi." PHX
Not.
At.
All.
You repeatedly make the statement that Qaddafi is "bad".
You provide no context.
I ask you to compare him to Obama only to put this term you use in context.
Obama sends unmanned drones into Pakistan nearly every night.
Thousands have been killed.
Qaddafi has NEVER done anything like that.
So I want to know what makes Qaddafi "bad".
(We've been back and forth going on 10 times with this. I suspect you can't answer the question. Which is cool. The meme that Qaddafi was "bad" has been planted in our national psyche for years by the same people invading Libya today. I understand where you got it from.
But what I don't understand ... is now that I point out the mindless duplicity in that meme ... you continue to repeat it out of some strange commitment to the concept)
"Finding the indictment and charges against Qadaffi isn’t hard."
Name a leader we couldn't find "indictments" and "charges against"?
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Hell, Obama is under threat of impeachment as we speak.
Hell, technically, he has broken the law and damn near committed treason.
He took this nation to war without the consent of Congress.
(Since when does the President of the United States get AUTHORITY from the United Fucking Nations? We don't vote for the UN)
"Why should I do this if you believe there is no way we can say any one leader is any better or any worse than another?"
WRONG.
I certainly believe we can say that.
Robert Mugabe is a better leader than Benjamin Netenyahu.
Ask me if Benjamin Netenyahu is "bad".
I will answer it much better than your non-answers concerning Qaddafi.
I read the Green Book a few days ago. That is sheer brilliance, IMO....
Your right Joanna. The Green Book is a good book. People bash it because of the author but if they stop listening to what the media says and actually read it they would see that what Gadhafi says makes a lot of sense.
Richmond Muhammad... I have been following this blogger for a few months now, and he recently reviewed the Green Book on his site. I am trying to get people to check out his blog, as it has some really great stuff in it!
http://www.darkspeak.com/2011/04/green-book-blueprint-for-real-democracy.html
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