Arab Oil Embargo and Hip-Hop both had Ol' Mr. Charlie quake'n at 1st, walk'n around smell'n like Piss-n-boots. Potential was there.
The Arabs have cashed in but haven't influenced any change in US/Israeli policies meanwhile [all up in the desert] using their oil money to turn their country into Walt Disney on ice instead of working at the standard of living for people. Apart from them loving white folk's dirty draws, they attempt to emulate American culture
Blacks with Hip-Hop have influenced cultural identity [got Mickey Mouse doing Christmas rap on ice] while loosing at cashing in on their own product
And they certainly decorate differently than I would if I had 100 Billion to drop on interior design.
But have you noticed their fertility rate compared to Israel's?
I don't know what is more successful than reproduction.
"Blacks with Hip-Hop have influenced cultural identity [got Mickey Mouse doing Christmas rap on ice] while loosing at cashing in on their own product"
I don't know about that.
For going on 2 decades Hip Hop has served as the artistic manifestation of the drug dealer, hustler, gangster ethos.
Hip Hop doesn't just "influenced cultural identity'. Hip Hop is the only place where black people "define phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner'.
It has served as a counterpoint to the mass notion of Plantation conformity, gender blurring castration and Sci-Fi Negro Malthusian suicide.
I dont like this comparison because Oil is a commodity, but true hip hop is an idea and can't be produced by everyone. Have you noticed that almost all commodity rich countries are socialists or have been at one time or another. Thats because oil, like other commodities can be controlled, but true hip hop cannot. WESTSIDE fools! ha
I agree to some extent. However, a slick marketing company can make and package absolute shit and market it is hip hop...or haven't you turned on your radio lately? Hip hop as an art form probably can't be controlled, but unfortunately the best art sometimes never sees the light of day beyond a few small underground shows frequented by dedicated aficionados. But you CAN definitely appropriate and control the distribution of what you CALL hip hop.
Ya'll square ass ... old ... anachronistic country Negros don't know what you are talking about.
If Souljah Boy was talking the same shit today, KRS-1 was talking about 20 years ago, he'd be a fool.
The whole "marketing companies" making bad art successful is a tired pork eaters cliche.
Marketing Companies cannot make Hip Hop stars.
Hip Hop stars make themselves. From Fiddy. To Weezy. To Nikki. To Drake.
The new crop of Hip Hop artists are Social Media and memetic geniuses ... able to "Define phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner."
Which is why Lil Wayne will earn more this month while in jail than Dr. DMG The Plantation MD will earn in 10 years.
He defines phenomenon in a manner that makes him rich.
Personally, I'm working on defining phenomenon in a manner that will keep black people from killing themselves with genetically modified food and Plantation Medicine quackery.
However I challenge the presumption that oil is a commodity and Hip Hop is an idea.
I suggest oil is just as much an idea as is Hip Hop.
The price of oil is built on the presumption of scarcity maintained by the maintenance of the idea that it on the verge of running out (Peak Oil Myth & Fossil Fuel Myth).
The purveyors of the Oil myth are no different than the purveyors of Memetic myth (Hip Hop).
The CEO of Exxon is in the same business as the CEO of Cash Money Millionaires.
DMG- I totally agree. When you look at Hip Hop as in industry it is the same as any other profit making one. Marketing is a uniquely American industry to take money from the same Zombies you write about everyday on this blog. I guess that why we are left with the super crap we have on the radio now. However, if the artist is not simply in it for the money and is telling a story of a broken system or people the sky is the limit ( think Eazy at the White House!)
Like Tricia Rose said, "Who's underground? Dead people."
So we can't think what radio plays and what they don't play. The hip-hop artists that are getting more play than "underground" artist are doing what they are suppose to do. They are producing a product. I don't care for the product but... neither do I care for Girls Gone Wild. Nobody is holding town hall meetings for them to be responsible and how they are getting unfair publicity for trash. TV is worse. Way worse. Nobody is holding networks accountable. We watch the trash then talk about hip-hop like it's Blue Beards long lost treasure.
Why do these artists have to be socially responsible? I would love for them to be, but why? I was wrapp'n to Emory Douglas and Billy X two weeks ago and they were saying the Black Panther Paper out sold Jet and Ebony magazine while employing neighborhood kids. "Bloods: Black Veterans of the Vietnam War" talks about how they didn't think about buying property or gaining economic independence so we understand they made mistakes.
"Underground/positive" MC's have to produce something more challenging if they are going to compete with radio, VH1, MTV. They are going to have to be imaginative. They are going to have to learn media ecology, psychological surgery, whatever. If they want to switch it up they have to find strategies to make what's on the radio outdated. THEY have to find strategies to make what's on the radio outdated.
What I love about Chuck D is that he challenged the gold rope aesthetic with clocks dangling from the neck. That was genius. He was on tour with LL and Rakim at the time. Both had dookie fat ropes. Both had dope rhymes. Chuck didn't try to compete with that. He couldn't. He went to a thrift store, got himself and Flavor clocks and put nylon ropes through them. BAM! Little Negroes all up in school wearing sport store stop watches just to TRY and get close to what Chuck and Flavor had.
Everything was in place. Dope logo. A production team that went improv like Coltrane with Hip-Hop music. Now the names. BOMB SQUAD. Terminator X. Media Assassin. At the height of punk rock. Russel Simones asked Rick Rubin, "How could you waste your time on garbage, this is like black punk rock."
Rick Ruben had the vision to see their chemistry. The straight man Chuck and the clown Flavor. In Hollywood it worked with Albert/Costello, Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis, Marx Bro. so why not hip-hop? Broke the template. Broke the template. Broke it. Took it beyond the "rapgroup." "Positive" groups are forgetting that Chuck was very big on having full creative control of visuals for the group. Graphic design. There were plenty of "positive groups" at the time. PE beat them out with new visuals and sound.
But DV, the potential of Garvism, Nationism and the viral effects of the Panthers were in the throats of these earlier hip-hop heads.
Spiro Agnew said, "Take the Panthers out the newspapers and then they will go away." Marketing ain't no joke. What's that saying, "Lies by omission."
Hip-Hop is so viral that if radio puts only one type of genre then ofcoarse them Negroes will sell. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Fast food Chinese food sells even though connoisseurs of traditional Chinese food will tell you it's trash. That doesn't effect the market. So what if all fast food Chinese food switch to traditional Chinese foods. Will it be just as popular?
Get people hooked on something long enough and they will develop an affinity ONLY for that thing. You can't get a child to start just eating salad if ALL they know is KFC. All people know is the music covered on the radio. So the only way to counteract that is to figure out a new market without trying to compete with a genre that's already fully represented.
WU Tang did it on a small level. They came at a time when you still had a culture of youth that identified with kung-fu reruns. Why not sell Shaw Brothers and Bruce in Hip-Hop? It sells on TV. Not only that, but artist have sampled soundbites from JFK, to Malcolm to James Cagney (like in NWA song "Nobody Move). That was a cold blooded chest move in rap. Appropriate popular culture (Andy Warhol). Wu did it with cheesy Kung-fu English dubbed films.
It made it comedic in a way. Not only that but you give communities a sort of simulated representation with something already made viral.
You make the mistake of confusing commercial success with sublime content.
Rarely the two coincide. Funny an ACTUAL conspiracy is staring you in the face and you pass on it. Commercialized hip hop has taken the most base caricatures of black culture and blackness and lined the pockets of companies proferring "Booty Got Swag". Nothing wrong with making some cash, I mean nobody is required to take a vow of poverty when they get into hip hop (although most should expect it...), but it's become painfully obvious the shit that's coming out lately isn't marketed toward poor black kids in the hood.
And our host is right along on the street corner cheering every shuck, and grinning and every shuffle and jive. Nothing wrong with it if that's your taste in music. If little white kids weren't lining up in droves to buy that shit, do you really think Soulja Boy, or effete Drake would stand a chance with some real MC's?
Actually they probably couldn't even hold their own at an open mic poetry slam...
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18 comments:
Like the Arabs we got a razor sharp ace up the sleeve with a slit wrist.
Hmmm.
OK. OK.
Like the Arabs?
Interesting.
How you see it?
Arab Oil Embargo and Hip-Hop both had Ol' Mr. Charlie quake'n at 1st, walk'n around smell'n like Piss-n-boots. Potential was there.
The Arabs have cashed in but haven't influenced any change in US/Israeli policies meanwhile [all up in the desert] using their oil money to turn their country into Walt Disney on ice instead of working at the standard of living for people. Apart from them loving white folk's dirty draws, they attempt to emulate American culture
Blacks with Hip-Hop have influenced cultural identity [got Mickey Mouse doing Christmas rap on ice] while loosing at cashing in on their own product
click here
Ross on his way to meet this dude.
"Power is the ability to define phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner"
making Blacks and Arabs some powerless pathetic mugs...,
Gee-Chee is truth.
Accept no substitutes....,
Interesting Gee.
Yeah. The Arabs have some issues. True.
And they certainly decorate differently than I would if I had 100 Billion to drop on interior design.
But have you noticed their fertility rate compared to Israel's?
I don't know what is more successful than reproduction.
"Blacks with Hip-Hop have influenced cultural identity [got Mickey Mouse doing Christmas rap on ice] while loosing at cashing in on their own product"
I don't know about that.
For going on 2 decades Hip Hop has served as the artistic manifestation of the drug dealer, hustler, gangster ethos.
Hip Hop doesn't just "influenced cultural identity'. Hip Hop is the only place where black people "define phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner'.
It has served as a counterpoint to the mass notion of Plantation conformity, gender blurring castration and Sci-Fi Negro Malthusian suicide.
Hip Hop, is black folk's Fox News Network.
A Tool.
I don't know what is more successful than reproduction.
no surprises there...,
long-term sustainability and continuous psychological transformation (human evolution)
Koran + HipHop + Fecundity = Precursor to Megadeaths
If your cultural expectations are on par with a cockroach's - it should come as no surprise when the Terminex man pays you a visit.
Hip Hop, is black folk's Fox News Network.
A Tool.
Science is a tool, and the highest and greatest human cultural achievement here-to-date.
HipHop has been appropriated and debased, like Islam, it's no longer under the control of its creators.
I dont like this comparison because Oil is a commodity, but true hip hop is an idea and can't be produced by everyone. Have you noticed that almost all commodity rich countries are socialists or have been at one time or another. Thats because oil, like other commodities can be controlled, but true hip hop cannot. WESTSIDE fools! ha
Yaron,
I agree to some extent. However, a slick marketing company can make and package absolute shit and market it is hip hop...or haven't you turned on your radio lately? Hip hop as an art form probably can't be controlled, but unfortunately the best art sometimes never sees the light of day beyond a few small underground shows frequented by dedicated aficionados. But you CAN definitely appropriate and control the distribution of what you CALL hip hop.
Compare Soulja Boy to KRS-One.
Compare Soulja Boy to KRS-One.
Dayyum you reading minds today brah!!
Accept no substitutes...,
"Compare Soulja Boy to KRS-One."
"Dayyum you reading minds today brah!!"
Ya'll square ass ... old ... anachronistic country Negros don't know what you are talking about.
If Souljah Boy was talking the same shit today, KRS-1 was talking about 20 years ago, he'd be a fool.
The whole "marketing companies" making bad art successful is a tired pork eaters cliche.
Marketing Companies cannot make Hip Hop stars.
Hip Hop stars make themselves. From Fiddy. To Weezy. To Nikki. To Drake.
The new crop of Hip Hop artists are Social Media and memetic geniuses ... able to "Define phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner."
Which is why Lil Wayne will earn more this month while in jail than Dr. DMG The Plantation MD will earn in 10 years.
He defines phenomenon in a manner that makes him rich.
Personally, I'm working on defining phenomenon in a manner that will keep black people from killing themselves with genetically modified food and Plantation Medicine quackery.
I hear you Yaron and you make a good point.
However I challenge the presumption that oil is a commodity and Hip Hop is an idea.
I suggest oil is just as much an idea as is Hip Hop.
The price of oil is built on the presumption of scarcity maintained by the maintenance of the idea that it on the verge of running out (Peak Oil Myth & Fossil Fuel Myth).
The purveyors of the Oil myth are no different than the purveyors of Memetic myth (Hip Hop).
The CEO of Exxon is in the same business as the CEO of Cash Money Millionaires.
DMG-
I totally agree. When you look at Hip Hop as in industry it is the same as any other profit making one. Marketing is a uniquely American industry to take money from the same Zombies you write about everyday on this blog. I guess that why we are left with the super crap we have on the radio now. However, if the artist is not simply in it for the money and is telling a story of a broken system or people the sky is the limit ( think Eazy at the White House!)
MOTI,
Now you are just being contrarian. Quit you sulking and for god sakes stop poking those bitch lips out...
Like Tricia Rose said, "Who's underground? Dead people."
So we can't think what radio plays and what they don't play. The hip-hop artists that are getting more play than "underground" artist are doing what they are suppose to do. They are producing a product. I don't care for the product but...
neither do I care for Girls Gone Wild. Nobody is holding town hall meetings for them to be responsible and how they are getting unfair publicity for trash. TV is worse. Way worse. Nobody is holding networks accountable. We watch the trash then talk about hip-hop like it's Blue Beards long lost treasure.
Why do these artists have to be socially responsible? I would love for them to be, but why? I was wrapp'n to Emory Douglas and Billy X two weeks ago and they were saying the Black Panther Paper out sold Jet and Ebony magazine while employing neighborhood kids. "Bloods: Black Veterans of the Vietnam War" talks about how they didn't think about buying property or gaining economic independence so we understand they made mistakes.
"Underground/positive" MC's have to produce something more challenging if they are going to compete with radio, VH1, MTV.
They are going to have to be imaginative. They are going to have to learn media ecology, psychological surgery, whatever. If they want to switch it up they have to find strategies to make what's on the radio outdated. THEY have to find strategies to make what's on the radio outdated.
What I love about Chuck D is that he challenged the gold rope aesthetic with clocks dangling from the neck. That was genius. He was on tour with LL and Rakim at the time. Both had dookie fat ropes. Both had dope rhymes. Chuck didn't try to compete with that. He couldn't. He went to a thrift store, got himself and Flavor clocks and put nylon ropes through them. BAM! Little Negroes all up in school wearing sport store stop watches just to TRY and get close to what Chuck and Flavor had.
Everything was in place. Dope logo. A production team that went improv like Coltrane with Hip-Hop music.
Now the names. BOMB SQUAD. Terminator X. Media Assassin. At the height of punk rock. Russel Simones asked Rick Rubin, "How could you waste your time on garbage, this is like black punk rock."
Rick Ruben had the vision to see their chemistry. The straight man Chuck and the clown Flavor. In Hollywood it worked with Albert/Costello, Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis, Marx Bro. so why not hip-hop? Broke the template. Broke the template. Broke it. Took it beyond the "rapgroup." "Positive" groups are forgetting that Chuck was very big on having full creative control of visuals for the group. Graphic design. There were plenty of "positive groups" at the time. PE beat them out with new visuals and sound.
But DV, the potential of Garvism, Nationism and the viral effects of the Panthers were in the throats of these earlier hip-hop heads.
Spiro Agnew said, "Take the Panthers out the newspapers and then they will go away." Marketing ain't no joke. What's that saying, "Lies by omission."
Hip-Hop is so viral that if radio puts only one type of genre then ofcoarse them Negroes will sell. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Fast food Chinese food sells even though connoisseurs of traditional Chinese food will tell you it's trash. That doesn't effect the market. So what if all fast food Chinese food switch to traditional Chinese foods. Will it be just as popular?
Get people hooked on something long enough and they will develop an affinity ONLY for that thing. You can't get a child to start just eating salad if ALL they know is KFC. All people know is the music covered on the radio. So the only way to counteract that is to figure out a new market without trying to compete with a genre that's already fully represented.
WU Tang did it on a small level. They came at a time when you still had a culture of youth that identified with kung-fu reruns. Why not sell Shaw Brothers and Bruce in Hip-Hop? It sells on TV. Not only that, but artist have sampled soundbites from JFK, to Malcolm to James Cagney (like in NWA song "Nobody Move). That was a cold blooded chest move in rap. Appropriate popular culture (Andy Warhol). Wu did it with cheesy Kung-fu English dubbed films.
It made it comedic in a way. Not only that but you give communities a sort of simulated representation with something already made viral.
MOTI,
You make the mistake of confusing commercial success with sublime content.
Rarely the two coincide. Funny an ACTUAL conspiracy is staring you in the face and you pass on it. Commercialized hip hop has taken the most base caricatures of black culture and blackness and lined the pockets of companies proferring "Booty Got Swag". Nothing wrong with making some cash, I mean nobody is required to take a vow of poverty when they get into hip hop (although most should expect it...), but it's become painfully obvious the shit that's coming out lately isn't marketed toward poor black kids in the hood.
And our host is right along on the street corner cheering every shuck, and grinning and every shuffle and jive. Nothing wrong with it if that's your taste in music. If little white kids weren't lining up in droves to buy that shit, do you really think Soulja Boy, or effete Drake would stand a chance with some real MC's?
Actually they probably couldn't even hold their own at an open mic poetry slam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BtpJ4ek0z4&feature=player_embedded
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