DMG said...
Show of hands,How many here believe Dude knows what he's talking about?
How many here believe Dude is emmulating Oswald Bates?
Denmark Vesey said ...
Show of hands,How many here believe DMG knows what he's talking about?
How many here believe DMG is parroting Plantation dogma and myth which holds no greater scientific merit than that which "dude" ... is talking about?
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I think your world map is a little off for the time period you are trying to depict!
Now this is gonna start some mess but,
here it is.
And to that report, I merely say look at the data. Especially the published data that came out of Australia, and Brazil.
The criteria for the WHO to declare a Pandemic was met.
Just because it didn't meet the publics expectations of popular disaster films with Dustin Hoffman running around with a biohazard suit on is unfortunate for people looking for entertainment.
You all are going to talk conspiracy until the end of your days. Which is fine. At least you are entertaining.
Show of hands,
How many here believe Dude knows what he's talking about?
How many here believe Dude is emmulating Oswald Bates?
Pharma Whores- you betta ask somebody.
Profitable Depopulation Plot Links JP Morgan-Chase and Goldman Sachs To Vaccination Contaminations and BigPharma Corruption
A medical investigation into suspicious outbreaks and propaganda used to sell drugs and vaccines has exposed investment bankers at JP Morgan-Chase (JPMC) and Goldman Sachs (GS) for plotting to shock/stress, frighten, poison, and kill billions of people most profitably--pharmaceutically--according to the Editor-in-Chief of Medical Veritas journal.
While researching a powerful Partnership for New York City (PFNYC), uniting Wall Street's wealthiest industrialists, Harvard-trained public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, and investigative journalist, Sherri Kane, discovered shocking evidence of a conspiracy to commit global genocide by generating diseases and death to advance profitable pharmaceutical depopulation.
Population planners at the highest levels of government and industry conspired to spread diseases, vaccines, drugs, and death most profitably, according to research published in the latest issue of Medical Veritas.
"Corruption in the drug industry is rampant and transparent," Dr. Horowitz explains. "Investment bankers at JPMC and GS, who acquired controlling interests in the largest drug firms during mergers and acquisitions, have placed 'depopulation' near the top of their list of geopolitical priorites. Their depopulation agents are now in top positions of government, finance, and industry.
"Killing 6-out-of-7 people globally, most profitably, requires planning and an unprecedented conspiracy to commit genocide by applying advances in genetic biotechnologies exclusively available and affordable to drug companies controlled by the investment bankers," Dr. Horowitz adds.
The doctor points to the fact that US Treasury Department officials previously operated JPMC and GS on behalf of majority stock holders and their partners in pharmaceutical companies heavily represented in the PFNYC and the trade organizations that negotiate multi-billion dollar government purchases of drugs and vaccines.
Researchers, including vaccination contamination expert Dr. Viera Scheibner, reports in the current issue of Medical Veritas that polio virus vaccines are produced in African green monkey kidney cell cultures routinely contaminated with transmissible cancer viruses.
By reviewing drug company patents, Dr. Horowitz learned that the makers of H1N1 swine flu and rotavirus vaccines use the same cultures risking recombinations, genetic mutations, and unstoppable transmissions of deadly agents threatening new pandemics.
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"This best explains why public health officials are preparing for vaccine-transmitted H1N1s cloned in monkey cells to recombine with bird H5N1s currently circulating. This threatening and most deadly recombination of flu viruses, officials herald may happen in the Fall," Dr. Horowitz warned.
Besides the inadequacies of safety testing new vaccines without using placebo controls, it is this issue of reliability of information that concerns more than half of the medical physicians polled since they became aware that the entire medical industry has been hijacked by Wall Street's pharmaceutical profiteers. Now they are learning from famous people, like Gates, that the world's wealthiest people are administering vaccinations for depopulation.
The links between the directors of major drug companies, mainstream media moguls, and investment bankers at JPMC and GS are so obvious and incriminating, and the dispersion of unsafe vaccines so common and disturbing, only profitable depopulation as a planned outcome of pharmaceutical investments can explain the current situation.
"Complete censorship was the only option officials have had to prevent a meltdown in public opinion about medicine and the pharmaceutical industry," said Ingri Cassel, a leading vaccine risk awareness activist. "This explains why news of this vaccination depopulation plan has been neglected by the special-interest-influenced media."
Investigating conflicting pharmaceutical interests influencing news coverage, Sherri Kane, previously a writer for FOX News in Los Angeles, learned that the majority shareholders in FOX, TimeWarner, News Corp., and the Wall Street Journal, are heavily invested in GlaxoSmithKlein and Merck's CSL Laboratories, both makers of risky drugs and vaccines.
Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, became a major shareholder in AstraZeneca following his direction of the company's acquisition of the H1N1 FluMist maker, MedImmune. Blankfein has also leveraged ABC-Disney following their merger with money he raised through GS investors. This resulted in Dr. Oz's heavy promotion of H1N1 vaccines on ABC last year, when officials learned that the vast majority of Americans were unwilling to risk the exposure.
Rupert Murdoch and Lloyd Blankfein co-chair the PFNYC, founded by CHASE principal, World Bank ambassador, and America's leading energy industrialist and medical monopolist, David Rockefeller. The PFNYC was chartered by the Royal Family of England--a majority share holder in General Electric--the world's largest company--that controls NBC/Universal/Comcast, and MSNBC with Bill Gates.
The PFNYC was pledged to play a central role in reconstructing Ground Zero following the 9/11 attacks, according to Kathryn Wylde, President & CEO of the Partnership and current Director of The Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The organization compiled the economic report on the damage done, advanced financial plans for reconstructing the World Trade Center, and advised leading financiers regarding reconstruction investments.
The PFNYC is co-directed by Jeffrey B. Kindler, the Chairman and CEO of Pfizer--the world's largest drug company. Kindler stewards Pfizer through multi-billion dollar acquisitions also involving JPMC and GS financing.
With Flu Season Over, Canada Shows Flu Shot To Be Worse Than Worthless
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Last September, a large study by Canadian scientists Danuta Skowronski and Gaston De Serres threw Canada into an uproar with their findings showing people who had prior "seasonal flu" shots were much more likely to come down with newly appeared H1N1 (Swine) flu illness.
When the dust had settled every Provincial Health Department but one, New Brunswick, declared seasonal flu shots would not be given until perhaps January of the new year, with only the new H1N1 vaccine immediately rushed into service. As it turned out by January first new flu cases had sunk to essentially zero so the seasonal flu shot became a moot point, having little appeal.
All this was front page in newspapers across Canada, yet was completely ignored by the U.S. Health establishment and news media, illustrating the usual policy by officials at the the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to keep the American public in the dark. In other words just follow orders from CDC Generals, don't ask questions, and in the immortal words of NBC's Dr. Nancy Snyderman on national TV, "just take your damn flu shot."
Back to the Map and Bey's speech,
Most of us have no idea about the Worldwide pyramids.
For instance -Did you know that one of the world's largest Pyramid is in Bosnia? You got DV, in Europe.
Click here
Put the war in a different light, huh?
BTW, the Clinton's hang out in the 19.5 'tetrahedral constant'.:)
All you have to do is verify what he says.
Or is verification a "plantation" tool?
A few qsns coz I'm rather confused by some things:
The Moors say all Black people are Moors, but Dr Cheikh A. Diop says Moors are a specific people originating in Yemen and Dr Ivan van Sertima says the etymological roots of the word 'moor' are Latin, but that dude in the vid says its roots are hieroglyphic. How so? And which is it?
And do these believers in Moorish Science have ties with the Moors in different parts of Africa today?
Why they wear Fezes? They're not a feature of Moor ethnicity.
And yea at some points he does go a bit Oswald Bates-ish or he slips up on his grammar:
@ 3.20 'if you wanna talk about the original man/woman you are going to read the schematics of the linguistics of the text'
@ 3.35 I looked up some of the chemistry stuff he talking 'bout. I'd like to know; why does he use images of monosaccharides to discuss melanin in people? Sugars do not create melanin if that's what he's suggesting. If not, why are images of the DNA structure of melanin unavailable?
And then he makes a leap from monosaccharides to nucleotides in DNA?
Is a pyramid DNA structure exclusive to the Black body?
K-Dub harder on Marcus "OB" Counts than the Aboriginal Moorish cats he stole most of his material from...,
When I was a little kid, and we used to receive Muhammad Speaks (ne Final Call) - I always wondered why the NOI peddled so much bad science fiction and required its adherents to believe and profess the same. Never gave much thought to the MSTofA, the Eastern Stars, or any of the many other "Black folk making up stuff for their own amusement" organizations.
Then I read Black Empire and became aware of the serialized pulp fiction origins of much of this hokum.
After that I read about George Schuyler and what he set out to do with the Black Empire serial, and have wondered ever since what the poor man must've thought about his efforts to lampoon hokum being adopted as the very content and the method by which so much hokum would be made real in the minds and in the lives of folk too suggestible, too ignorant, too stupid, or just too desperately needy of an identity they could be proud of - to effectively discriminate truth from bad science fiction on their own.
Marcus "OB" Counts is a harmful parasite preying on the most desperately vulnerable folks he can find.
Bra Wax!
Man you a link to all kinds of wisdom!
I mean Bra.
"The Valley of the Pyramids in Bosnia"?
"The 21st Century will be known as THE ERA OF THE PYRAMID RESEARCH"?
Good stuff.
Thank you.
DMG said...
"All you have to do is verify what he says."
All you have to do is verify what that Plantation medicine you practice says.
Or is the Plantation not to be questioned?
Because not even you can claim the billions of drugs you prescribe and procedures you sell have been "verified".
Doc. I don't you think you are equipped to play that game both ways.
"The Moors say all Black people are Moors, but Dr Cheikh A. Diop says Moors are a specific people originating in Yemen and Dr Ivan van Sertima says the etymological roots of the word 'moor' are Latin, but that dude in the vid says its roots are hieroglyphic. How so? And which is it?" KW
Sounds like a diversity of opinion.
Good.
Let's continue research and think about it. The truth will survive.
"And do these believers in Moorish Science have ties with the Moors in different parts of Africa today?
Why they wear Fezes? They're not a feature of Moor ethnicity." KW
I don't know. Let's ask some Moors.
"And yea at some points he does go a bit Oswald Bates-ish or he slips up on his grammar: " KW
Please post a link to any man or woman ... anywhere ... who presents a more compelling meme.
"Marcus "OB" Counts is a harmful parasite preying on the most desperately vulnerable folks he can find." CNu
Yeah.
However, he appears to have neither tits, nor child-bearing hips.
Which puts his science farrrrr ahead of dudes who do.
@k-dub
I think our flaw sometimes is our rush to judgement with the personalities rather than the main content of the message and we can quickly get lost in the persona rather than the content which "Bey" or other Moors are trying to get across.
Which is:
CARBON IS MELANIN.
"Dr. Sebi said he doesn't even use the word melanin, which is a European word that was created just to confuse us."
Also
"The pyramid is a universal shape and one of the building blocks of nature; the 51 degree, 51 minute, 14.3 second base angle pyramid (octahedron) is the shape of the CARBON ATOM in the red blood cell, the iron atom in the body. The solid pyramid shaped CARBON ATOMS is one of the universal combinations of all molecular and cellular structures. The human body has a lot in common with the pyramid structure and Phi. The "pyramid principle" (??) states that all matter can be changed into flesh by energy crystallization into amino acids and proteins utilizing the carbon atom (pyramid) as the key building block. In reality we humans are composed of three gases: oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and one solid; carbon."
Moors believe that when we use words like Black, Negro, Colored which are nothing more that legal fictions and slave brands that the European Families put on our Moorish foreparents when we fell to slavery. AMERICAN BLACKS political birthrights and nationality were usurped with this action along with the Germanic Family Names that was put on the defeated Moors in 1777 Philadelfus PA -6th and Chestnut where the original government was first established. As long as BLACK AMERICAN people believe that black is an identity they will continue to suffer from being outside of the protection of the constitution which comes from Ancient Moorish Law; Not the Europeans coming here and establishing any LAW. Their Sovereignty comes from their Nationality which is Moorish American not Black,Negro,Colored or African American which again are either misnomers or legal fictions. This is a history that have been suppressed with the European Nations commitment to erase the moorish connection here out of history.
They believe that Black Americans ARE indeed Moors.
In their minds, Moor is just a code word for Melanin (Carbon).
Moors were all over the world running empires until they "fell," and then the European took over. There is no such Nationality as black or white Americans. Nationality means what Nation did we come from. The Moorish (Egyptian) Empire was all over the globe until 1492 - 1840's when all their monarchies were overthrown.
Moors believe that more "blacks" were already in the Americas for thousands of years before the slave trade even started. Actually, the Europeans are the original slaves(Slavs). The Moors (Egyptians) went into Europe (yet again) around 600 AD and taught them sciences. This led to the Renaissance in the 14 - 1500's AD(Da Vinci, Newton, etc) in Europe, which then led to the industrial revolution in the 17 - 1800's, and Europe has ruled ever since.
They also believe that this was black folks divine plan, prophecies written on the pyramids in Egypt, Meso America, S.E. Asia, India, S America, etc..This is what the Moors see as our alchemy: Put Melanin (CARBON) under pressure and see what happens!
In the Moors mind, "Black Americans" have no clue of the grand scheme. The America's were colonized by FreeMasons, who were trained in the mystery schools in Egypt.
Again, the mystery is MELANIN! Melanin is Carbon, or the 666 (6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 nuetrons), and is the gateway to "dark matter." Ever wonder why the European keeps looking for the God Particle, the point where light turns to Matter? The mysterious point is the substance that black people are made of. The Pyramid and it's relation ship to Dark matter and energy.
This is why all the fuss. They see European whites as hybrid humans.
"Marcus "OB" Counts is a harmful parasite preying on the most desperately vulnerable folks he can find." CNu
Yeah.
However....,
Having now admitted that the so-called "Blackest Man" is a designation for "parasite" - can you now account for your own breathless promotion of every trifling scum bag you come across (no pun intended) as the next greatest and Blackest phenomenon on the planet?
Having been intellectually cyberbullied out of active promotion of the white supremacist Lyndon LaRouche's propaganda and disinformation - is this seriously the very best you're capable of?
Your so-called diversity of information is really nothing more than fraudulent, fictitious gibberish taken straight.out.of.a.comic.book written in the 1930's by an original-thinking Black man who worked to disabuse free-thinking Black folk of the precisely the type of nonsense Marcus "OB" Counts and "Denmark Vesey" are in the business of peddling.
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They believe that this is ultimately why "racism" exist, to keep "blacks" from realizing they're powers.
Finally, Black Americans are from Africa, but not by Columbus. They were here in America THOUSANDS of years, if not MILLIONS (the deeper they dig, they keep finding older artifacts.) Did you know about the remnants of Egyptian/Hebrew empire in the Grand Canyon?
This is where the Mormon (Moor man) church came from.
Moors also claimed to be at war.
I quote a Moor answering the question "What War?":
"What war?
The ancient war between the Moors (black people) and Rome (the pale skin nations.) "
(Yea, they believe that this war is hidden from us.)
" It goes back to biblical times, under various names and titles.
You are asking how to gain sovereignty on this continent. There is no sovereignty as a "Black American," because black is not a nation. When you say black, you are actually saying melanin (carbon is what makes us black.)
And Melanin means Moor, or child of the Earth. Our nation is the whole Earth, and the universe. F*ck slicing out our own country, let's get the globe back! Everywhere is our country! We planted nations all around the world, then fell asleep in North America. All the ancient prophesies explain this."
"Our true slavery is our IGNORANCE! Harriet Tubman used to say "I coulda freed more, if they only knew they were slaves." We went into slavery from ignorance of our true divine history. We are still in slavery, as evidenced by our European names, and all capital letter Strawman that mirrors this name that follows us wherever we go. " You need to listen to the the debates going on between the Moors, Kemetians, and Israelites . We are waking up in front of our own eyes! Not only will we get the country, but we will get the globe, then the universe back! This is an awesome story once you decode it!"
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We would be stupid not to research any of this for ourselves in detail and not be so quick to be "dismissive" just because we want to find a quick and "intellectually lazy" way out.
Namaste-
"I think our flaw sometimes is our rush to judgement with the personalities rather than the main content of the message and we can quickly get lost in the persona rather than the content" Hot Wax
I hear ya Brother Wax.
But I think you are far too kind.
The eye-rolling Lip Poked Out pose of exaggerated skepticism is a defense mechanism of Plantation Negros desperate to dismiss a meme which exposes the broken outdated and spiritually depleted worldviews in which they have invested their entire lives.
Which is why on one hand we have bitter ... sick ... fat ... jealous ... unhealthy pork and waffle eating Negros desperate to reduce a young beautiful brother to an "Oswald Bates" characterture ...
On the other hand we have a Plantation Medicine employee so devoted to protecting the interests of his Plantation employer and his intellectual and emotional validator, that he attacks the messenger before even comprehending the message.
So. Wax. I know you are a man of peace and love.
But fuck them niggas.
Don't worry about them.
Keep doing your thing.
Keep dropping science, knowledge, perspective, information and insight.
Even the intellectual Jigaboos who pretend not to listen ... ARE UP IN HERE EVERY GOTDAMN DAY.
Continue to teach brother.
Which is why on one hand we have bitter ... sick ... fat ... jealous ... unhealthy pork and waffle eating Negros desperate to reduce a young beautiful brother to an "Oswald Bates" characterture ...
The "young beautiful brother" soaking your drawls du jour is simply a fraud's fraud whose character and behavior is so trifling as to warrant vigoros repudiation even by those who might formerly be considered his own.
sheeeeiiiiiiittt.....,
Your latest secretions don't even rise to the level of a comic book - they're worse than the seamonkey ads relegated to the back of a comic book.
I think our flaw sometimes is our rush to judgement with the personalities rather than the main content of the message and we can quickly get lost in the persona rather than the content which "Bey" or other Moors are trying to get across.
um hmm....,
Which is:
CARBON IS MELANIN.
rotflmbao....,
Keep doing your thing.
Keep dropping science, knowledge, perspective, information and insight.
Even the intellectual Jigaboos who pretend not to listen ... ARE UP IN HERE EVERY GOTDAMN DAY.
Dayyum Skippy!!!
Wax PLEASE keep doing your thing...,
it's not even humanly possible to make up the transcendent levels of coonery and buffoonery you muhphuggahs clock daily....,
Yes. Yes. Of Course CNu. Of course.
The messenger the messenger the messenger.
On his worst day ... is far more relevant and viable than you will ever be.
Stop hating.
Post a link to anything you've ever said, done, read, heard, thought about, copied or pasted nearly as compelling, valuable and relevant as anything the good young Dr. Ali Muhammad Bey is sharing with the world.
(lol. got some nerve insulting the brother. who in the fuck wants to come hear CNu speak?)
"The Moors say all Black people are Moors, but Dr Cheikh A. Diop says Moors are a specific people originating in Yemen and Dr Ivan van Sertima says the etymological roots of the word 'moor' are Latin, but that dude in the vid says its roots are hieroglyphic. How so? And which is it?" KW
This is all probably true. During the time the "Moors" controlled Al Andaluz AKA Spain more than 4 million people from various parts of Africa poured into Spain. Dispite their country of origin or religious beliefs, these people were referred to as Moors or Mauri, by the rest of the people Europe. The word moor does in fact have a Latin root expressed as the word moro in Spain and mouro in Portugeuese, who were the primary people of contact, which may coincide with the research of Cheik Anta Diop. Seemingly, the people of Al Andaluz, the Castilians (white folk), may have heard first wave of people from Africa refer to themselves as Mauri, (I am considering what we now call the Arabian Peninsula, Palestine and related areas as North Africa.) It's been argued that Moro y Mouro may not contain the same root as Moreno which may mean brown and could be related to the Greek word mauros, which could have been derived from Greek/Macedonian contact with the people of North Africa, during the time of Greek phlosopher's discipleship to Khemtan philosophers. Interestingly, when we study Ancient Khemetan herstory, we often find the word Meroe. Of course I pondered the pronounciation of the word and often spoke it as "maeyro" or "maroeh" (long sound on the letter a.) While watching a documentary by "Skippy" Gates on Africa, one of his stops was in the Sudan and throughout what is now Egpyt and Ethiopia, I heard the professor guiding Gates on the tour pronounce the word Meroe as Mauri! I believed this pronounciation to be correct since the man was a native speaker of the language(s) of that area. As such we may be able to draw some heiroglyphic connection to the word Moor through the word Meroe. In fact, the Spanish language itself, not only has roots in Latin, but owes much of it's roots to Arabic...And what are the roots of the Arabic language???
So. Wax. I know you are a man of peace and love.
But fuck them niggas.
Don't worry about them.
lol! dv has a way of putting things.
DV,
This video will possible hip you to why all the hub bub about Louisiana and the Muurs history.
click here
How can the this be out of comic book if Southern University in La. teaches this.
Poverty Point. mmmmmm...
Kind of has an " Avatar Movie" script and feel to it.
The second one
click here click here
really bring home the Africa vs the world meme an help solve the Diop issue. It says that Africa is the only land mass that is connected to the base of the earth. All the other continents broke away and drifted from Africa which was one time connected to them. Of course it goes in the battle that the technocrats try to teach you that the Earth is only 6000 years old vs millions.
"Some of the Oldest People on the planet are right here from Louisiana!!!!"
Lamooria?
Amexem?
The world was called Muu.
People were call Muur -originate from the Latin translation Mauro meaning Black.
Fear of a Carbon planet. :) PE was right.
lol...,
DeeVee - I can't even detect a grain of truth in this scoundrel's message.
Seriously, most professional liars and charlatans attempt to build on at least a modicum of truth, but this piece of bipedal garbage doesn't even bother to interweave even tidbits of fact into his breath and britches hokum - so arrogantly convinced is he of the irredeemable ignorance and inability of any member of his audience to call him on his bullshit.
Parasites preying on the weakest and most vulnerable denizens of the hood are fast becoming your speciality brah. Or perhaps it was always so?
sheeeiiittt....,
Back in your day, it was Steve "Boule" Cokely - making the rounds among po folk selling a conspiratorial line that gets uncritically recycled right up to the present moment.
Cokely's gonna die never having moved a single one of his listeners (victims) forward even a millimetre. Matter fact, his life's work has set back countless tens of thousands by many country miles.
This coon you're promoting now as the best thing since skeezy weezy stands to do exponentially more damage than Cokely at his prime because he has the power of the web and the even more extensive devastation of baseline levels of public education, knowledge, and discrimination over which to freely operate.
K-Dub - what do you know about the Great Zimbabwe stone "formations"?
oh, and please don't chime in on this question with any ignorant-assed Anunaki bullshit Wax. While I'm as amused as anyone by your bullshit, this is actually a serious question for someone with a serious and expansive knowledge of the subject matter and potential access to first-hand, non-english language sources that may shed credible light.
"All you have to do is verify what that Plantation medicine you practice says.
Or is the Plantation not to be questioned?" MOTI
Umm, I have. That's my point. Don't try to turn this around, you aren't talking to one of your suggestible street urchins. I mean, this stuff was hardly worth the keystrokes.
Wax,
Seriously man. Open a book. I suggest a chemistry book first. I can't even make fun of you for that post about carbon and Melanin. I'm seriously worried about your sanity now.
Watch out now Doc, you don't know nothin about this here;
CARBON IS MELANIN.
Pray to GAWD he don't drop no mo original Asiatic science on your little pointy haid.....,
DV
"Please post a link to any man or woman ... anywhere ... who presents a more compelling meme. "
How you say he's presents a 'compelling meme' when you don't know and can't back up what he's saying? I put my questions to pple and your response was you don't know and the truth shall stand. Fair enough, that's honest, but you then turn around and tout this brotha as producing 'compelling memes' and 'the Blackest Man on The Planet'...when you don't know.
There are plenty gifted and intellectually solid brothas and sistas who present memes more compelling than this. There's no need for naming contests, I've realised those are silly and pointless. I'd rather harness the gift of intellectual discernment to separate the greats from the fakes to discover the truth.
Wax
Thank you for your explaination, at least it fills in some parts of what I didn't know about this movement. From they way it looks, Dr Sebi is a bag of contradictions, like many other leaders and healers. He says the White man this n that, but isn't he same person that was trying to sue Michael Jackson $380 000 for services rendered.
Same thing with Ali Muhmmad aka Marcus Counts, although he chants down money and the banking system - if you listen to the audio link CNu posted, (if its true) money and power is part of the hustle - even if spirituality is at the heart.
Dr Sebi's other stuff on melanin - man, I don't know, it's not only scientifically problematic but it's scientific racism and same ol', same ol' shadism/racism divide/conquer game. Much like Malachi York and Dr Cress Welsing.
True that Blacks came before Columbus, but how's that translate into an aboriginal right and all o'that? And how do they recognise Native Americans? Take slavery out of the picture and isn't that like a White American saying they have an aboriginal rite to the US bec they been here for centuries? I don't know.
Anyway, whatever their claim, the vast majority of Black Americans are descendants of enslaved Africans from Africa. What gets me though with Moors and these other types of Black Power Movements and Faiths is that:
they're so wrapped up in their own condition, but they're not the only Black people on the Planet and White Supremacy isn't every Black person's immediate threat.
they think of Black slavery as a continental experience to represent the global rather Black slavery being a global experience diverse and very specific to each setting.
That doesn't appeal to me at all, there are other non-divisive and intellectually sound paths to truth.
...peace
Technos,
I appreciate the lovely attack on yours truly. It proves my point that you are not here to gain a different insight , but rather to protect anything European in nature in regards to History and Science not by rigorous debate, but rather by cheap insults and juvenile statements.
First thing First. i did not say that "Carbon is melanin"....I was talking about what the muurs or MOORS BELIEVE.
THEY BELIEVE CARBON IS WHAT THE EUROS ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY AS MELANIN.
Trying to show the peeps the Muurs reason and association of the carbon molecular structure and pyramids to give some inputs to their belief. I have shown this Video before of Dr. Sebi and mentioned how he believed that their is no such thing as melanin. at 1:15 in the video he was asked what is the difference between Carbon and Melanin. PLEASE LISTEN TO HIS ANSWER.
click here
However if you must pin that or some of the Moors other viewpoint on me- so be it.
I am not that smug in my rational like you know everything technos that I am free to examine their point of view and digest for future understanding of what is really happening.
My sanity is wonderful Bra. I sleep at nights without the guilt that I might harm more people than I help in a evil allopathic world.
Hope you can do the same.
Namaste-
@KW-
Anyway, whatever their claim, the vast majority of Black Americans are descendants of enslaved Africans from Africa. What gets me though with Moors and these other types of Black Power Movements and Faiths is that:
they're so wrapped up in their own condition, but they're not the only Black people on the Planet and White Supremacy isn't every Black person's immediate threat.
they think of Black slavery as a continental experience to represent the global rather Black slavery being a global experience diverse and very specific to each setting.-KW
I don't think that is 100 correct K Dub. Like every religion some parts have been co-opted, slice , diced and pimped.
And you are right, almost every movement get stuck in its own dogma and therefore will never be able to evolve.
However I think that the True moors are trying to say that we are brainwashed into believing that we are descendants from African Slaves and that we were free on every continent across the world as all the land masses broke away from africa . They preach that we are direct descent worldwide from free people who have no experience with slavery. They believe that the Euro's were the original slaves(Slovakian?) before they stole the knowledge.
Finally, I have see some humble and gentle Moors in Georgia that really don't do the fez etc., etc., stuff and they came across as people that were just about uplifting and not trying to get you to join anything (unlike my Jehovah Witness background where Mom's and dem was going make sure you join. :)) More of a conscious movement and they don't disregard whites. It is so cool to see these guys who genuinely believe that they are "Godlike to white folks" and do it without hatred or anger.:) POWERFUL. They just know.
I really think that most of the muurs are not materialistic and power hungry as a lot of the other movements are. Their libertarian and altruistic viewpoints sit well with me. Check out some of the Moors from Louisiana and they come of like "Down home folk" but I hear you, some of the other moors from New York, etc.(urban) can come across as quick hustle guys.
Just take what you need from the movement and enjoy.
@techie
oh, and please don't chime in on this question with any ignorant-assed Anunaki bullshit Wax. While I'm as amused as anyone by your bullshit, this is actually a serious question for someone with a serious and expansive knowledge of the subject matter and potential access to first-hand, non-english language sources that may shed credible light.-krop.
Excuse me!?
Are you trying to deflect the issue of this European Discovery in 2003 and its cosmology base which turns out to be the built as a replica to Orion's Belt and trying to avoid the subject of its Sumarian roots which in turn will bring up the "Anunaki bullshit History". :)
Dude even your Euro gods can't help but come to the same conclusions. LOL.
You knew before you asked the question dude.
DON'T PUT IT ON ME.
These are your Euro scientist on your formation:
"Johan Heine discovered Adam's Calendar in 2003, quite by accident. He was on route to find one of his pilots who crashed his plane on the edge of the cliff. Next to the crash site Johan noticed a very strange arrangement of large stones sticking out of the ground. While rescuing the injured pilot from about 20 metres down the side of the cliff, Johan walked over to the monoliths and immediately realised that they were aligned to the cardinal points of Earth -- north, south, east and west. "
CLICK HERE
Who made it?:-Here it comes LOL.
"The seal image [above] depicts the legend of the "Great Flood" which consumed mankind. Many Sumerian legends are strikingly similar to Genesis. Like Genesis, the Sumerian legend, Atrahasis, tells the story of the creation of modern humans -- not by a loving God -- but by beings from another planet who needed "slave workers" to help them mine gold on their extra-planetary expedition!
I warned that this is difficult to believe, but please keep reading."-Michael Tellinger
Click here
HAHAHAHaaaaaaaHaaaaar!!!!!!!
The story starts out with the "gods" -- beings from a planet called Nibiru -- digging ditches and mining for gold as part of an expeditionary team. Modern humans (homo sapiens) did not exist yet; only primitive hominids lived on Earth. There were two groups of "gods", the worker class and the ruling class (i.e. officers). The worker gods had built the infrastructure as well as toiled in the gold mines and, after thousands of years, the work was apparently too much for them.
click here
HaaaaHaaaaa!
You brought it up dude. Your own "intellectually superior folks to the Moors" talking bout Nirubu. GTFO
You crack on the Moors, but you want to jump all over this because some other technocrats behind it right? AND ITS SERIOUS AND EXPANSIVE!!!!
Unbelievable. SERIOUS AND EXPANSIVE.
BTW, they even claim is that it is 160,000 year old and not 75,000 as you ref. in your article.
"How you say he's presents a 'compelling meme' when you don't know and can't back up what he's saying?" KonWomyn
1) I don't need to know what he's saying. And you don't need to know either.
Knowledge is overrated.
You need to understand.
2) The truth doesn't need to be "backed up". It speaks for itself. If you don't hear it yet I suggest you keep listening.
Or.
Better yet.
POST A LINK ... to a more compelling meme.
POST A LINK ... to a greater set of truths.
POST A LINK ... to an example of something you consider "backed up".
That way we can compare ideas to ideas and not messengers to messengers.
Cool?
If this cat argues that "a Moor is not simply a social phenomenon but a cosmic phenomenon rooted in your very being" ... yet you see it differently Sista Dub.
Please post a link to an example you find more compelling.
Later for all this arguing.
Later for explaining shit to Negros who don't want to understand.
Later for bourgeois nerds whose idea of "Verifiable Science" gave us genetically engineered factory meat, Fake H1N1 Pandemics, toxic "vaccines" and "children who don't have souls until they are 7 years old".
Ergo
Lack
of
a
more
compelling
Meme ...
Makes my man ... THE BLACKEST MAN ON THE PLANET
No?
Post
A
Link: ___________________ ?
Who?
Barack Obama?
Who?
Harold Ford Jr.?
Who?
Some computer nerd with an obscure program that maps the sexual fantasies of bacteria?
Who?
Some Plantation Negro Medical Doctor who "discovers" a vaccine for sickle cell anemia and ... with the help of Pfizer Pharmaceuticals, WHO and Bill Gates ... is going to 'inoculate all people of African descent'.
Who Kay Dub?
What?
Yeeesssss.
I LOOOOOOVE being ignorant!!!!!!!
DV
You see what I mean about naming contests - they are the product rigid binaristic thinking of 'if y'aint down wit me, you must be down with the Plantation'. Plurality of non-Plantation opinion is not tolerated bec this week's man of the moment isn't felt by everybody else.
You pick Barack Obama, yet you were so 'compelled by his memes' you called him God's Son and said 'Brotha's got Heart' for recognising Ramadaan and when I asked you how so he's bombing Muslims in Afgh everyday, you said to me 'Nah Sista this is Spiritual.'
Nah Bra, let the record reflect, BO is your compelling meme, not mine. Let the record also show that Harold Ford Jnr is your friend/associate, I don't know nuffin 'bout that man or his politics, never made a comment abt him neither.
A statement like 'knowledge is over-rated' has become one of the most meaningless and most perverted statements of our time.
"A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots." Marcus Garvey.
Whether I am reading Cheikh Anta Diop or Edouard Glissant, listening to my 86 year old Grandmother's stories about the colonial days or reasoning with a Rasta brethren about his time spent in the mountains in sack cloth or vibing to Damian & Nas - it is all valuable knowledge and it is all connected in my mind, it is spiritual nourishment, it defies all notions of 'over/under rated' knowledge.
If you tell me, "a Moor is not simply a social phenomenon but a cosmic phenomenon rooted in your very being" then I will ask what the Moors mean by that. You don't know/can't explain how Moors come to be a social phenomenon, so why should I feel you on this?
I could say, on the face of it, it looks like word swapping trynna elevate and change-up the same confusing memes, but bec I'm Black like that, I'll ask Wax to break it down for me and see if what Moors teach relate in any way to the cosmological practices I was raised up in.
Why people gotta act like being attuned to the gifts and wonders of the cosmos is the exclusive domain of one type of thinking? If Moorish Science works for you and you feel them, then JAH Bless, but please don't take up arms with them who nah feel it.
The whole vaccines and GMO food argument is not to be had with me, you know where I stand on these matters so that's not even worth the mention. Dr John Cannell has more of value and clarity to say on medicine and Vitamin D than this dude could ever do in a lifetime.
Melanin-Carbon stuff is, as I said before is pseudo-scientific racism, that stokes the fires of White Crackas to come out in full force and also creates divisions btwn Black people. Frankly, iAint hearin it, feelin it or co-signing it. iKnow Blackness is Supreme, a scientific phenomenon, but not in the Moorish Science way.
CNu
Thanks for the audio link, the Isis name was quite funny.
Seti's yet another charlatan but his smackdown of the Moors is prolly the best thing Seti's ever done, lol.
What is it though about cats like Seti or Ali Muhammad - is it a people's subliminal protest or result of the failure of Black Power Movement, to the extent that MLK Jnr is demonized and Malcolm's teachings perverted.
The interesting thing about these particular Moors, is that without the evolution of the Afrikan-centered movement in the mid-1980s, under the leadership of ASCAC, and their focus on Ancient KMT, and the works of Diop, ben-Jochannan, Obenga, James, Williams, Jackson, Massey, Churchward, Budge, etc., and the enormous contributions of Ivan Van Sertima and the team of scholars he assembled for his Journal of African Civilizations, these Moors would have, from an intellectual perspective, neither a pot to piss in nor a window throw it out of. They are one of many marginal groups who are trying to spin history to serve their particular interest, while presenting themselves as if they are operating with seminal knowledge. What a croc of B/S.
However, for those who believe this and join their movement, more power to them. Let them go forward and see what they can accomplish.
I see you KW.
Kaaaaay Duuuuub.
I don't really get your point sista.
And I still don't see a link.
Makheru Bradley.
That's an interesting hypothesis.
lol
White people tell Negros they had no history before slavery and that their path to freedom is "Civil Rights" ... Negros soak it up like it's scripture. They teach it to their kids. "Demand" it be taught in school and behave as if "Black History Month" is of value.
Yet, a group of brothers present a theory which celebrates cosmology, science, ancient civilizations and law and the same Negros adopt a posture of eye-rolling skepticism and suddenly become experts in historiography and footnote Forensics.
I'm getting a kick out the frantic Freudian impulse to perpetuate Plantation paradigms.
That's an interesting hypothesis. Lol—DV
Hypothesis? That statement is fact Brah Man. I’ve been dealing with Moorish Science scholars for 20 years. Those who are honest have no problem acknowledging the sources of their knowledge of antiquarian history.
They’re simply putting their own spin on that history. If you believe it, cool. Go join the Moorish Science Temple nearest your location, just as I joined ASCAC.
Obviously, due to your prejudice against Dr. Du Bois and your lack of historical knowledge, you chose to disparage him while exalting Dr. Bey. The record shows that Dr. Du Bois was one of the forerunners of the Afrikan origin of civilization as anyone who has read “The World and Africa (1946)” already knows.
[Gondwanaland, the ancient united continent Africa, South America, and Asia was divided into three parts by the new changes which caused the rift valleys. The radioactivity of the inner earth made the crust break apart. We can see by the map how Africa broke from South America and Europe from North America.] – WEB
[The Egyptians… regarded themselves as African. The Greeks looked upon Egypt as part of Africa not only geographically but culturally , and every fact of history and anthropology proves that the Egyptians were an African people varying no more from other African peoples than groups like Scandinavians vary from other Europeans…]—WEB
The scholarship of W.E. B. Du Bois would have set Afrikan people forward by 100 years had our people at that time grasped the fundamentals of his thesis. Fifty years would elapse before a small group of scholars grasped these ideas. These modern day Moors are simply building on Du Bois’ knowledge.
DV is disparaging this great man, in the context of someone presenting tertiary knowledge, and he wants to know what happened to Afrikan people? Look in the mirror dood!!!!!!!!!!
The scholarship of W.E. B. Du Bois would have set Afrikan people forward by 100 years had our people at that time grasped the fundamentals of his thesis.-mb
Before you exalt W.E.B. Du Bois to highly, he had his problems too Brah. Definitely
not the blackest man on the planet.
think again- me no likey international bankers followers(marxist -commies :)) You know -you then stand for the NWO.
"W.E.B. Du Bois gave tepid support to Garvey's ideas for black independence and to the idea of Garvey's Black Star Line. However, by 1920 Du Bois had become deeply suspicious of Garvey's methods, ideas, and motives, and published his own damning expose of Black Star Line finances in The Crisis. The animosity between the two men became personal and venomous. W.E.B. Du Bois called Garvey the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race -- either "a lunatic or a traitor." He said Garvey "suffered from serious defects of temperament and training" and described him as “a little, fat, black man, ugly...with a big head." Garvey countered by calling Du Bois the Negro "misleader" and said Du Bois was "a little Dutch, a little French, and a little Negro...a mulatto. Why in fact," Garvey wrote, "he is a monstrosity." It was Du Bois that would later in his life move to African and become a Communist; he become the very thing he said that Marcus Garvey was."
Du Bois moved increasingly to the left in his political thinking, embracing a Marxist analysis of black labor in the United States and eventually advocating a "nation within a nation" form of black economic separatism or cooperation during the Great Depression. He was dismissed from the NAACP in 1948 and became the vice chair of the Council on African Affairs, which monitored political events in Africa and supported nascent African liberation movements.
Because of his growing radicalism, Du Bois was subjected to increasing governmental restrictions and harassment, just as Garvey had been before him. In 1951, at the height of the Cold War, he was indicted under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938. Though he was acquitted, the United States government refused to issue Du Bois a passport, barring him from foreign travel until 1958."
@ makheru - But didn't the Kushite king Piye have to reconquer Egypt from those who'd settled there to reestablish their trditional Egyptian values?
By the time of Du Bois, Egypt would have been more mixed than of any one race.
The Moorish Science Temple of America pay tribute to
The Honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey
click here
Yeah, that's Moor like it.
Nice Article-
A PORTRAIT OF A SELLOUT
Click here
"During the height of World War I, W.E.B. Dubois issued one of the most widely-known and least-understood propositions in the history of civil rights protest. In the July 1918 issue of the monthly NAACP journal the Crisis, he [DuBois] called on African Americans to "forget [their] special grievances and close ranks" with white Americans and the Allies for the duration of the war. This article of course, left many Black political leaders as well as the general African-American public utterly baffled; "The wider significance of the controversy over "Close ranks" and the proposed commission lies in what it reveals about the potential for schism among black leaders and organizations at a pivotal moment in the development of civil rights thought" . [Marcus Garvey, wrote in the Negro World August 1918 that DuBois' defense was "a desperate effort to bolster up a bad case by far-fetched conclusions". Garvey dismissed the idea that by putting their country before their rights during the war, blacks would ultimately benefit. By "dickering with an official position," he claimed, Du Bois had show he was no longer the leader he had been in the Niagara Movement. Instead, he was "a follower of the masses."
"it just does not seem fitting to write an article which calls for unity with a race that degrades another. The only plausible explanation is that DuBois'(upon the request of Springarn) chose to "sellout" his own race in lieu for a position which would place him at an advantage of any other black political leader. I think DuBois wanted that position just so he could boast about having more political ties with the government, and he was willing to completely to set back the civil rights struggle in doing so."
mmmmmmm-
Dee Veeeee!
"I don't really get your point sista."
And I really don't get why you don't really get my point brotha.
CNu
Apologies for not reponding to your question. I'll reply you later tonight when I get back home. I need to see if I have any info that might help.
...peace
By the time of Du Bois, Egypt would have been more mixed than of any one race.—UBJ
UBJ, I’m not sure that I understand your point. I’m quoting Dr. Du Bois in reference to the Afrikan origin of civilization, specifically as it relates to this Moorish propaganda, which has nothing to do with the ethnic composition of Egypt during Du Bois’ lifetime.
Before you exalt W.E.B. Du Bois too highly, he had his problems too Brah. Definitely
not the blackest man on the planet.—Wax
Wax, in this particular instance I’m not dealing with the long and complex life W.E.B. Du Bois, and his particular controversies involving the NAACP, Washington, Garvey, Pan-Afrikanism, or the CPUSA. If that’s your issue have at it. OBTW, why don’t you enlighten us regarding the author of “Portrait of a Sellout.”
DV said Du Bois set up back 100 years. If that is 100 years from the end of his life (1963), then Du Bois put us back in slavery. (LOL) But that wasn’t my issue with the post.
I saw the work of Du Bois (and Afrikan-centered scholars) being spun into Moorish propaganda. I quoted Du Bois, simply because he was the focus of DV’s vitriol. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, no one who has ever walked the planet is above criticism. However, I don’t view character assassinations as constructive criticism.
I’m analyzing Du Bois work on a specific subject—the Afrikan origin of civilization—within in the context of the Afrikan-centered (Afrocentric) movement, particularly as that movement has impacted the growth of Afrocentric schools and the potential it may have had at that point in history.
[Children are thriving in Afrocentric schools. "Public schools have failed African-American students, which is shown in lower graduation rates and lower achievement," says education professor Carol Lee of Northwestern University, founder of the Betty Shabazz charter school in Chicago, whose three campuses boast 825 students from kindergarten to Grade 12. "More than 77 per cent of our students achieve at or above normal on Illinois state tests," Lee said (meaning they are performing on standardized tests while gaining knowledge of self--MB).]—Louise Brown
Interestingly the curriculum at Nguzo Saba Moorish Science Academy is not that much different from the curriculum at Betty Shabazz. Obviously they operate from the similar bases of knowledge.
http://www.myspace.com/nguzosaba88
"DV said Du Bois set up back 100 years. If that is 100 years from the end of his life (1963), then Du Bois put us back in slavery. (LOL)" Makheru Bradley
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and?
What do you call the condition of black people in America today?
Freedom?
Being an indentured servant in 1863 and being upside down on a mortgage in 2010 aint much different.
...
Being an indentured servant in 1863 and being upside down on a mortgage in 2010 aint much different.
Both work and neither own shit.
Dubois was a flunky of the cats who paid his salary.
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