It is amazing how loyal Plantation Negros are to the Plantation meme that this toxic chemical placed in their drinking water is a blessing and not a curse. Neurotoxicist says there is overwhelming evidence that suggests Flouride reduces IQ in children. Other experts demonstrate that Flouride hinders critical thinking in adults and makes them susceptible to suggestion.
Does this explain why supposedly educated Negros still eat cloned pork and allow their children to be injected with untested toxic vaccines?
We keep Flouride as far away from our children as factory meat and Plantation MDs.
Cadeveo said...
Having trouble understanding why you are ignoring the fact that there are sources above that Wax cited that are from PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS.Seems like you can't cop to that because...simply because Wax doesn't have an expensive medical degree like you do. However, in the same breath you also ask why you would want to recreate the "wheel" when someone has "already done" the work for you and "PUBLISHED THE DATA."
Ok...so that means you haven't done the work. You are relying on information you have not gathered yourself, that you simply trust to be reliable because it is in a journal. So is what you're saying that what matters is just whether the person reading the journals is reading the RIGHT journals (according to you) and that they have your medical degree, otherwise any research they do is invalid? Hmmmm...let's do the technocrat dance.
While that's goin' on. Here's recent news that connects increased incidence of ADHD to pesticides in U.S. fruit: http://cryptogon.com/?p=15499
30 comments:
So, you got a PhD research scientist, and a dentist. Doctors they are, physicians they are not. We already know what your criteria for "best" is. I suppose you also think two=droves.
Whatever, your definitions again.
(Notice the first thing out of the Plantation MD's mouth ... is a lame attack on "who" ... and not "what")
Well, let's see. The "what" depends on the "who". If you are looking for advice on say options for correcting total anomalous pulmonary venous connection from a junior high school drop out selling crack on the street corner...most likely won't receive quality information.
But that's beside the point. Your title says: "Hot Wax Was Right - The Best Doctors Coming Out In Droves Against Fluoride"
1. These people have doctoral degrees...but aren't physicians. You should make this clear.
2. No evidence they are "the best". Best at what?
3. Two "professionals" using YouTube to air their beef, does not equal a "drove".
I don't care what they have to say. Anyone with anything of value to relay to the scientific community doesn't wait to put it in a book that only laypeople will read. This is the same old bullshit repackaged. You really do think you are cutting edge. Don't you?
(Notice the second thing out of the Plantation MD's mouth ... is a lame attack on "who" ... and not "what")
Notice that our host has so little to say, that he repeats himself.
Again, the age old battle between Sublime and vulgar. Excellence vs mediocre.
Son, give it a rest, you've stretched yourself thin. It was a good effort, but the only ones feeling you are the sycophants.
There's no substance in your videos, but even you probably already know that.
(Notice the third thing out of the Plantation MD's mouth ... is a lame attack on "who" ... and not "what")
@the Good doctor-
link to a couple quick sources.( click here.)
go ahead insult and ignore. sources too long-not credible yadi yadi ya.
I got 300 more..... let me know if you would like more.
"1. Fluoride exposure disrupts the synthesis of collagen and leads to the breakdown of collagen in bone, tendon, muscle, skin, cartilage, lungs, kidney and trachea.
A.K. Susheela and Mohan Jha, " Effects of Fluoride on Cortical and Cancellous Bone Composition," IRCS Medical Sciences: Library Compendium, Vol. 9, No.11, pp. 1021-1022 (1981); Y. D. Sharma, " Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Collagen Cross-Link Precursors," Toxicological Letters, Vol. 10, pp. 97-100 (1982); A. K. Susheela and D. Mukerjee, " Fluoride poisoning and the Effect of Collagen Biosynthesis of Osseous and Nonosseous Tissue," Toxicological European Research, Vol. 3, No.2, pp. 99-104 (1981); Y.D. Sharma, " Variations in the Metabolism and Maturation of Collagen after Fluoride Ingestion," Biochemica et Biophysica Acta, Vol. 715, pp. 137-141 (1982); Marian Drozdz et al., " Studies on the Influence of Fluoride Compounds upon Connective Tissue Metabolism in Growing Rats" and "Effect of Sodium Fluoride With and Without Simultaneous Exposure to Hydrogen Fluoride on Collagen Metabolism," Journal of Toxicological Medicine, Vol. 4, pp. 151-157 (1984).
2. Fluoride stimulates granule formation and oxygen consumption in white blood cells, but inhibits these processes when the white blood cell is challenged by a foreign agent in the blood.
Robert A. Clark, " Neutrophil Iodintion Reaction Induced by Fluoride: Implications for Degranulation and Metabolic Activation," Blood, Vol. 57, pp. 913-921 (1981)."
Denmark Vesey says "if you don't understand cognitive dissonance theory, it's almost impossible to reach your full potential as a human being."
I'm in full agreement - so let's take a moment to remedy
the situation if you're not familiar with it ...
The phrase was coined by a Cognitive Psychologist
named Leon Festinger. It refers to a state where two
conflicting thoughts are held in the mind.
What usually happens as a result is that the mind rejects one of the conflicting thoughts so a state of balance is thus achieved again.
What does this mean?
Here's a very simple example ...
If someone you don't like presents an idea to you which you do like, your mind will tend to reject one or the other.
That is, you'll either begin to like the person or begin to dislike the idea.
So, what does this have to do with personal change?
Well, if you begin to act in a way congruent with your desired change but you talk in a way that is in-congruent with your desired change - one of the two conditions must change.
Which condition is more likely to change Doc?
For anyone interested in an honest debate without insults:
click here
"In this website, The Fluoride Debate, we have juxtaposed the arguments presented by the American Dental Association (ADA) with comments from many of the independent scientists who have examined the issue with an open mind. We believe that if people take the time to read and study both sides of the fluoridation debate — especially the science that has emerged over the last ten years — they will be appalled by the practice of putting this known toxic substance into the public drinking water. The benefits have been wildly exaggerated and the risks have been downplayed."
Wax,
Find one source that is verifiable and reproducible.
Then we'll talk. Otherwise give it a rest. I don't waste my time on stupidity.
MOTI,
OK. You tell me why these two are credible. You don't have a foundation in science or medicine. But, give us all a plausible reason WHY we should believe these two. You posted it, you vouch for them.
Waiting.
Brother Wax,
Plantation MDs like DMG are unimportant.
Only poor and ignorant people really depend on their advice anymore.
The toxicity of fluoride is undeniable. Which is why labels on toothpase say CONTACT POISON CONTROL CENTER if swallowed.
KEEP TEACHING.
People are learning.
"WHY we should believe these two" Plantation MD
1) YOU. SHOULDN'T. BELIEVE THESE TWO.
2) YOU SHOULDN'T "BELIEVE" ANYBODY.
That's what you fail to understand.
There is no room for "belief" in science Doc.
3) The only operative concern is the relative toxicity or safety of Sodium Fluoride.
4) The evidence of the toxicity of sodium fluoride is abundant and beyond dispute.
Will you accept the EPA as a source?
Here is what the EPA Professionals Union had to say:
(Since then our opposition to drinking water fluoridation has grown, based on the scientific literature documenting the increasingly out-of-control exposures to fluoride, the lack of benefit to dental health from ingestion of fluoride and the hazards to human health from such ingestion. These hazards include acute toxic hazard, such as to people with impaired kidney function, as well as chronic toxic hazards of gene mutations, cancer, reproductive effects, neurotoxicity, bone pathology and dental fluorosis. First, a review of recent neurotoxicity research results. )
5) Notice Doc, you are not arguing that Sodium Fluoride is safe. You can't. Your argument seems to be whether it is safe or not doesn't matter.
All that is important to you is WHO says it is safe or not.
If your Plantation Masters say it is safe ... YOU say it is safe.
If they say it is not safe ... YOU say it is not safe.
You have been trained, conditioned, brainwashed and bamboozled into seeking permission to exercise critical thinking.
But do your thing.
Nobody really needs your sanction anyway.
You are years behind Hot Wax on this topic.
So stop with the forced sarcasm. You are not fooling anyone.
This is school for you.
Brother Wax!
Teach.
DOC,
come on Bra. you did not click on the link. tons more sources. (not just two) I can get you a hundred before the night is out. everyone in your mind is wrong.
from your own CDC(military doctors?:)):
"Thomas Reeves, a fluoridation expert at the CDC in a 10-year study reported in the 12 August 1992 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association compared the incidence of hip fractures in residents of a fluoridated locality with the incidence in two nonfluoridated localities. The researchers concluded there was a link between water fluoridation and the fractures.
Even though the CDC's official position is that more research is needed, and Fluoridation opponents point to an even more dire alleged consequence of fluoridating water--osteosarcoma, a form of bone cancer (They cite studies done in New Jersey as linking fluoridated water with this rare cancer in the United States ) Reeves does acknowledge that, because fluoridated water is used in many products that people eat and drink, the incidence of dental fluorosis has been increasing. "We're seeing [dental fluorosis in] 7, 8, and 10% [of the population]," says Reeves. "A certain percent of the population may be getting too much."
Some scientists, says Reeves, suspect the high fluoride content of many toothpastes is a major reason for dental fluorosis. There is some discussion among fluoride specialists, he says, of lowering the dose in toothpastes aimed at young children for this reason, and also because some scientists worry that young children who swallow fluoride toothpaste may become ill.
Another point of contention raised by fluoridation opponents is dental fluorosis, the mottling of teeth that can result from drinking water containing fluoride from multiple sources. While Kennedy argues that dental fluorosis is a marker for serious internal problems caused by fluoride, Reeves a fluoride proponents disagree and state that the mild dental fluorosis that can occur from drinking fluoridated water is often detectable only by trained dentists. Reeves however acknowledge that, because fluoridated water is used in many products that people eat and drink, the incidence of dental fluorosis has been increasing. "We're seeing [dental fluorosis in] 7, 8, and 10% [of the population]," says Reeves. "A certain percent of the population may be getting too much."
Some scientists, says Reeves, suspect the high fluoride content of many toothpastes is a major reason for dental fluorosis. There is some discussion among fluoride specialists like myself, of lowering the dose in toothpastes aimed at young children for this reason, and also because some scientists worry that young children who swallow fluoride toothpaste may become ill."
doc- my dentist will give you whatever you want. i don't know what you want.
In many European countries the majority of the foreign doctors are against it. Do you think they are all idiots too -can i source them?
Unbelievable.
Great Info to start out with: click here
FLUORIDATION: The Overdosing of America
most interesting to me: :)
"In conclusion, this study also presented evidence that fluoride readily accumulates in the aged pineal. Fluoride may also accumulate in a child's pineal because significant amounts of calcification have been demonstrated in the pineals from young children [Cooper, 1932; Wurtman, 1968; Kerényi and Sarkar, 1968; Tapp and Huxley, 197 1; Doskocil, 1984]. In fact, calcification of the developing enamel organs and the pineal gland occur concurrently. If fluoride does accumulate in the child's pineal (this needs verification), the pinealocytes will be exposed to relatively high local concentrations of fluoride. This could affect pineal metabolism in much the same way that high local concentrations of fluoride in the developing enamel organ affect ameloblast function. Research is presently underway to discover whether fluoride affects pineal physiology during childhood: specifically pineal synthesis of melatonin."
mmmmmmm....................
I'm not arguing, because I really don't give a shit about this stupid "meme". It only serves to whip up the easily led.
Wax, is saying Hmmmm to something he wouldn't understand if he was being completely lied to. He, like you, have no foundation with which to discern truth from fiction.
And you are both to intransigent to obtain that foundation. Preferring instead to gather with other like minded types who WANT to believe their diabetes, morbid obesity, cardiac disease, childs genetic disorders etc are the fault of fluoride, or vaccines, or anything other than the more plausible answer. Again, don't buy fluoride toothpaste, don't drink tap water, don't get vaccinated. I DON'T CARE. Just stop pretending you know ANYTHING about chemistry, neurophysiology, medicine, or physics.
Deal?
"Wax, is saying Hmmmm to something he wouldn't understand if he was being completely lied to."-DMG
That is an interesting argument. In your field DMG, what resources are at your disposal to verify if some medication you prescribe for a patient isn't harmful before some kind of serious side effects hit mainstream?
Isn't everything based on a trust factor? You trust those making the medicine, fully exhausting every safety measure, and even those safety measures you hope are regulated by people of good intentions? Isn't that whole process based off a trust factor.
As a busy doctor spending time with patients, I'm sure you don't find time or credentials/clearance to be in the lab where the egg heads are creating concoctions.
Do you believe there is a major trust factor that somewhere down the line you eventually have to concede to?
Example: You have the butcher, baker and the candlestick maker. Societies/communities have people who are authorities of their respected fields. A person who is a school principle doesn't have the time to be an auto mechanic. Soooo, when the school principle's car is busted, he takes it to a qualified specialists and trusts he'll make his joint right.
@ Wax&DV
I know about the machines in art galleries that makes the humidity in the air into water. There are some that are for water consumption. Do they have some sort of filter?
@Gee
Yep , MOST OF THEM HAVE some sort of filtration system.
Here is the most popular one on the market:
click here
12 step filtration system.
Gee-Chee,
Why would I want to recreate the wheel every time I give someone a Tylenol? When someone has already done that for me AND PUBLISHED THE DATA.
Let me say that last part again: PUBLISHED THE DATA. PUBLISHED THE DATA. PUBLISHED THE DATA in a peer reviewed scientific journal. Not a website, not a brochure, not a book for $29.95, not on an infomercial.
Why do you all worry about "side-effects" more than the disease staring you in the face actively killing the patient?
There's no "trust" factor like you are describing. What resources do you have at your disposal that the "Organic food" you may consume sold to you at the farmers market isn't poisoned? That takes trust. Let's look at this from an economic standpoint. If the pharmaceutical manufacturer would like to continue making money on it's multi-billion dollar investment, it's products probably shouldn't have a poor side-effect profile...because one of us nosy physicians is going to write about it...and get the drug pulled, or just stop prescribing it.
You think I argue and pick your sources apart? Try getting a scientific paper published.
Having trouble understanding why you are ignoring the fact that there are sources above that Wax cited that are from PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS. Seems like you can't cop to that because...simply because Wax doesn't have an expensive medical degree like you do. However, in the same breath you also ask why you would want to recreate the "wheel" when someone has "already done" the work for you and "PUBLISHED THE DATA." Ok...so that means you haven't done the work. You are relying on information you have not gathered yourself, that you simply trust to be reliable because it is in a journal. So is what you're saying that what matters is just whether the person reading the journals is reading the RIGHT journals (according to you) and that they have your medical degree, otherwise any research they do is invalid? Hmmmm...let's do the technocrat dance.
While that's goin' on. Here's recent news that connects increased incidence of ADHD to pesticides in U.S. fruit:
http://cryptogon.com/?p=15499
Thank you Cadeveo.
Well Said.
I was waiting for somebody else to finally call it. Sharing info with DMG is like playing "4 card" monty. I think that his hope is to "bully " everyone into not commenting and hopes the "content" will be skipped.
Case in point -no feedback on the fact that Australia canceled the Flu shots in kids under 5. However, insult, insult followed by everything you said above.
At some point my hope would be that the "content" get discussed rather than look at this card, oh skip over this one, blah, blah.
At least it has a name now: Technocrat Dance.
:)
Thanks for chiming in Cadeveo. But don't sink to the level of denigrating my medical degree, that I earned, and paid for with my own money, and sweat. Makes you sound like a jealous jackass.
Anyway, what your boy doesn't present is the volumes of peer reviewed articles that prove him wrong.
We both know that Wax doesn't want a real scientific debate. Neither he, nor you have the tools for such a debate, so lets just quit fucking around OK?
You want me to waste my time dicking around with an asinine fluoride debate which include details YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO ARGUE. Not calling you dumb, but you wouldn't know the difference between fluorine from fluoride. Sure you can google the definition, but it's deeper than that. You don't want to hear it anyway. You want something to blame for (name disease here).
Wax, enough with your flu stuff. It's been answered. Quit pouting, you are a grown man. It's not a good look that you get your feelings hurt so easily.
awww-shit - there go that technocrat dance again.....,
"You are relying on information you have NOT gathered yourself, that you simply TRUST to be reliable because it is in a journal."-Cee
It makes since to flip out on someone who disbelieves in China's existence based on the fact they have never been to China to varify that existence. However, because of an overwhelming, without any doubt, consensus, the TRUST FACTOR is strengthened. I can say with all confidence China exists without any concern of misinformation or inaccuracies.
Dudes can go pick up a book called Medical Apartheid which outlines an extensive history of obscene experiments and butchery upon patients, and still believe history does not repeat itself? In such denial that anything questioning, rightly so, the integrity of these egg heads is blasphemous. Can only tell you to trust what they themselves are trusting. The biggest religious nut on DV.net.
Technocrat dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVkvNA6u4c
Gee-Chee,
The difference between you cats, and me, is that I can explain all of this stuff in depth. NOT ONE of you can. Each time I ask you. Silence. Avoidance. Rhyming. Crying.
Now if this were a basketball game and I could back up my talk, and you couldn't...but tried all of this Crying bullshit...you'd not only get laughed off the court, you'd probably catch a beat down.
You all are so stubborn that you can't admit that you don't know what you are talking about. You repeat stuff you heard from some bearded cat smelling like patchoulie oil with ashy feet. You fear things that you don't understand. You try to describe the world around you in terms that you do understand even if they are factually incorrect.
And when I come along, and attempt to lift your game a bit, by giving you some insight, and giving you access to my time and knowledge, you squander it with petty jealousy. You just can't seem to bring yourself to say...that dude knows this subject better than me. That dude explained some stuff that I didn't know. Thanks DMG. No you gotta call me "egg head"...because you aren't smart enough to do what I do. No...you gotta play the "he's an elitist, he's got an expensive medical degree" game. You are goddamned right. I earned every motherfucking letter of my degree. And it was expensive, but nobody "sent me" there. Nobody paid for me to be where I am today. I put in the time, and the effort and worked extra jobs, without complaint. (Let me whisper something in your ear: Do you REALLY think I give a fuck what some ignorant, rhyming, internet hero has to say about MY medical degree?)
At the end of the day away from this blog, nobody listens to you guys about medicine or health....but thousands have listened to me. Thousands have gone home, and many have taken the time to come back and seek me out in the hospital to say thank you for saving my life, or the life of their family member.
That ever happen to you? If it has, you'd understand why you guys don't phase me, and why I'm unapologetic about getting in your asses about spreading factually incorrect information.
I don't do what I do for any glory. And I damn sure don't do it to impress you. You feel me?
The difference between you cats, and me, is that I can explain all of this stuff in depth. NOT ONE of you can. Each time I ask you. Silence. Avoidance. Rhyming. Crying.
Yeah.
But your patients are all sick and dying.
You technocrats can tell someone how to build a clock, but you don't know what time it is.
Doc.
"If it aint natural, it is toxic".
Putting Fluoride in drinking water is counterintuitive.
(Gee.
Notice the doctor is not even attempting to argue the efficacy of Fluoride in drinking water?
He is simply arguing that the medical / pharmaceutical industrial complex which employs him is infallible ... unless we can site a source endorsed by the medical industrial complex which says it is not)
DV,
unless we can site a source endorsed by the medical industrial complex which says it is not-DV
and even when you find that source,-Dude is just old and not with it! :)
I rest my case -see below:
"And your second post...still doesn't answer MY question. Old Dr. Leape would make medicine into an assembly line, where there is less thinking and more checking off boxes. Sorry, that's not how it works. Human beings aren't robots or car engines."-DMG
That Dance Gee GOAT vs GFOS.
So, class. Let's take this last post and break it down.
Says our host:
"The difference between you cats, and me, is that I can explain all of this stuff in depth. NOT ONE of you can. Each time I ask you. Silence. Avoidance. Rhyming. Crying.
Yeah.
But..."
I don't even need to add anymore to that. He said it all himself. At least he agrees.
""If it aint natural, it is toxic"." MOTI
Even a layperson can see that this is absurd. I won't bother naming all of the naturally occurring toxins.
He finishes off by trying to get back on a long beaten to death subject that has popped up no fewer than 3 different times in the past 12 months. Each time I ask them to have a real discussion and each time they can't. I just want a source that is reproducible and verifiable (so we can all make sure that the results are real). Why is that such a bad thing?
The original claim was refuted in the first post. Remember "Best" and "droves"??
You repeat stuff you heard from some bearded cat smelling like patchoulie oil with ashy feet. You fear things that you don't understand.
rotflmbao
DMG just set off an M-80 in the beehive.
game over....,
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