KonWomyn said...
Wow! Let the dead rest, lest it be a curse upon you.UBM had a brain aneurysm, nothing to do with "bowel movements". Please go back and read Sub's comment that I posted. And can this please be the last time this UBM's death is mentioned in this way, honour your friend.
Denmark Vesey said ...
Sista please.48 year old men aren't supposed to just drop dead in the middle of a conversation. UBM was a self-described processed meat eating enthusiast who wore his disdain for natural food and medicine proudly.
And he wasn't no bitch. He didn't dish out anything he couldn't take.
If I drop dead tomorrow, do you think these Plantation Negro haters with Man Boobs wouldn't be dancing on their desktops laughing about about Maca, Chia Seeds and Himalayan Pink Salt?
Well they should. And I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't think UBM would either. I'm not going to sit around all hat-in-hand engaging in superstitious hand wringing and pretending like what killed the brother is a mystery.
I suggest we stop burying our heads in the sand and learn from the brother's passing. Blood vessels don't burst for no reason. If obesity is a major cause of cardiovascular disease, HOW IN THE FUUUG can these Plantation MD's, who routinely KILL HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of people each year with "correct" drug prescriptions and medical error ... say with any certainty that obesity has nothing to do with an obese man dropping dead in the middle of a sentence?
They can't. They make mistakes all the time. Until we stop Kow Towing to these Quacks with stethoscopes we will remain THE MOST UNHEALTHY PEOPLE on the planet.
Before you finish reading this post, nearly a dozen more black men will die from some obesity related "disease" with a scientific name that could have been prevented by eating a natural unprocessed diet. I'm going to honor UBM by continuing to talk about EXACTLY what I talked with him about before he dropped dead.
The Good Nurse said...
like i said. address the "what and the why" the child(person) has an infected appendix...what caused it? could it have been connected to poor dietary choices?i realize you want to support your decision to practice medicine by attempting to make others depend on your knowledge you obtained in school, but i challenge you to be more than a reactionary clinician....help our people truly prevent disease by teaching holistic, preventive care of this gift called life..
be well. for real.
89 comments:
Forget 48 year old men....
Try 10 year old Boys........... click here.
"Of all the things parents worry about happening to their children, strokes usually aren't one of them.
That's why Christina Lovett of Mattoon, Ill., and the family pediatrician thought her 10-year-old son, Josh, had the flu when he was vomiting and complaining of a severe headache in late January.
Five days later, Josh was having trouble walking. Brain scans revealed a series of strokes."
"DV, It is that little Boys fault. He was just a greedy little pig!"
Do you think DMG would let me work with him now? :)
If I drop dead tomorrow, do you think these Plantation Negro haters with Man Boobs wouldn't be dancing on their desktops laughing about about Maca, Chia Seeds and Himalayan Pink Salt?
yes they would! you are fighting the good fight DV. Hot Wax is too! i'm surprised KonWomyn cannot see that. I showed my husband the post you did about Undercover Black Man when he first died. He is more motivated than ever to change his diet. We still eat meat. We just eat less of it and try to find hormone free meat. Have you heard of ultimatefoodclub.com? No antibiotics and no growth hormones!
Anonymous,
If you dropped dead tomorrow, nobody here would know...or care, as you are "anonymous.
If we knew you, nobody would be laughing about MacaChiaPinkSalt anything.
You aren't fighting any good fight as you don't know the basis of your fight. Muching on Chia seeds isn't a talisman against disease. And I have no idea how many times I have to tell you all....not all disease is related to diet.
When are you going to get it? People are worried about the anti-biotics and hormones in the meat, but stuffing their faces nonetheless. You want to eat hormone free meat. Fine, great, I applaud you (not like it makes a difference--except to your wallet). But don't delude yourself. You have to get off the couch, quit smoking (tobacco AND weed) and a host of other things.
Wax...so what was the origin of his stroke?
You don't know...do you. You just assume it's his diet. Typical.
Typical,
Did you not read the headline.
BTW, 9000 kids a year suffer strokes in US and many more.
Your plantation boy Daniels thinks diet is the cause and have been pushing the fact that "grown up circulation issues' have been starting earlier and earlier. He recommends dietary changes.
click here
"It is now clear that the process of atherosclerosis begins in childhood. A series of pathology studies, starting with autopsy examination of young soldiers killed in combat in the Korean War1 and the war in Vietnam2 to more recent studies such as the Pathobiologic Determinants of Atherosclerosis in Youth (PDAY) study3 and the Bogalusa study,4,5 have demonstrated that fatty streaks in the aorta and coronary arteries develop early in life and that even the more advanced and more concerning fibrous plaques are present in a proportion of adolescents and young adults. The PDAY and Bogalusa studies also have demonstrated that the traditional risk factors such as high body mass index, high blood pressure, and dyslipidemia are strongly associated with the presence and extent of arterial lesions.3,4 The Bogalusa cohort also has demonstrated that the presence of multiple risk factors is associated with an even higher risk for atherosclerotic lesions.5"
It is also well known that atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease is the most common cause of death in developed countries.6 Not uncommonly, the first clinical episode related to atherosclerosis is sudden cardiac death.7 Taken together, these data argue very strongly for the prevention of atherosclerosis and for prevention efforts to begin early in life. This might best be labeled primordial prevention because it is aimed at the prevention of development of risk factors in the first place"
Ya know wa I mean.
What do you think "DokTor" is the major increase in the rates of kids getting strokes then?
From another article.
click here
"The rate of strokes among people in their 20s, 30s and 40s has nearly doubled in recent years. The exact cause of the increase is unknown, but
((((doctors speculate that concurrent rises in obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure could be to blame.))))))
"This is just the beginning of this alarming trend," said Dr. Jin Moo Lee, director of the stroke section of neurology at Washington University.
There isn't any evidence of a similar increase in pediatric strokes, which are rare and usually have different causes, such as congenital heart defects or drug reactions. In 20 to 25 percent of pediatric strokes, a risk factor can't be identified, doctors say.
About 9,000 children have strokes each year, according to the pediatric stroke program at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia."
Bra
My problem was not with the fact that people shouldn't talk abut UBM's death but the way in which it was said, like callously slipping in Exhibit A hoping the jury will nod their heads in blind agreement.
Its how it was said on the previous thread, Anon - if you've lurked on these threads long enuff you'll knw I'm all about rabbit food and co-sign on getting people to eat rite. I don't object to someone's tragedy inspiring another as Anon and DV seem to think - if its done in a respectful manner and in full awareness, I'll co-sign.
But it seems no holds barred reigns supreme beyond the grave. It's 'oh I told you so Mills' as one pops their collar and clears their throat like they were the GOAT.
'Scuse me, iPass.
Thank you Anonymous!
Appreciate the encouraging words.
Not hip to the hormone free meat. I will share it with my friends and family who might be interested.
"It's 'oh I told you so Mills' as one pops their collar and clears their throat like they were the GOAT." KW
Kay Dub.
I pop my collar on every post.
Fact is dude DID die pretty much the way I had warned him.
Whether I say "I told you so" or whether I don't say "I told you so" ... cats are going to hear "I told you so."
Why?
Because I did tell him so.
So no matter what I say or "how" I say it, it is going to be interpreted as gloating or opportunistic.
Particularly by cats loathe to give credit where credit is due and eager to interpret what I say as gloating or opportunistic. (I aint going to say no names Big Man.)
Which is why I spent a week posting the jewels UBM left with us that had nothing to do with diet and obesity and processed genetically modified foods.
Shit. Aint no shame in my game when it comes to UBM.
Waxy,
I didn't just read the headline...like you. I read the article.
It very well could be diet. Or that kid could have had a congenital av malformation. Do you know? Did the article say? No. It didn't.
You assumed.
You see, you are so busy copying and pasting articles, that you refuse to stop and think...or think at all, really.
You assumed.
Yes, kids are more obese these days. Yes, those kids probably do have a higher risk for atheroschlerosis, Type II diabetes, etc. Yes, kids today eat too much junk food. But it's the fat and sugar in the junk food, not some mystery chemical. Going to the other extreme of eating ONLY organic this and that and Chia seeds isn't the answer. You don't realize that you are at the other extreme of diet. Nor is pushing unsubstantiated claims. Nor is pushing people not to seek medical treatment when needed.
You assumptions and bullshit curealls don't help anybody.
That show I liked with the fat black family will be back on TLC on June 1st. The fat black girl will be looking for a prom dress. They showed the little boy, about 13, going to the doctor and he had all kinds of illnesses that a 13 year old shouldn't even know about much less be suffering from. We really do need to do better. I'm not sure if it's okay to point and laugh until people do do better but I don't think anyone who is obese should really expect to live a full and normal life.
Pink,
You are right. Absolutely right. So this kid is morbidly obese. Whole family is morbidly obese. They eat like shit. Do they need eat more healthy. Of course.
How long do you think they will stay on a healthy diet if you toss Chia Seeds in front of them and say eat up?
30 seconds tops. Then they'll be running for a pack of bacon...and if they are "hongry" they may just eat that shit raw.
I don't understand why nobody likes moderation anymore. One side stuffing their faces with grease, and the other extreme preaching how buying $40 bread, and $30 salt and eating smoothies made out of the toe-jam of the indigenous tribes of some Chilean jungle is the "only" way to be healthy.
We can't just say, portion control, and eat a couple of pieces of fruit instead of that whole cake? Walk and play sports like regular kids instead of 16 straight hours of X-Box?
I suppose that's not sexy. There MUST be a conspiracy involved. I forgot.
I think moderation would be fine for this family, they would definitely have to work their way up to actually caring about their health so a good plan like Weight Watchers would do.
If people want to eat strictly organic diets more power to them. My niece is 1 and is vegan. She has never had anything but breast milk from her vegan mom (my sister) and organic foods. And let me tell you, that kid is strong as an ox. No exaggeration when I want to take something away from her she is effortless in holding onto it. Baby girl is a beast.
I want to be like the DokTor, :)
-here goes:
"it is not the chemicals that make them fat.
It is just the stupid fat ass and lazy kids.
F-Dem."
They are no conspiracies-
HFCS in every food including Mc Donald's Sausage patties don't contribute to our obesity epidemic.
Putting HFCS in every food available in a Fast food restaurant is a great thing. Most of the food did not even need it for taste. It is less sweet than regular sugar! with ump teen times the calories.
Duh!
Click here
Watch again. Why would a corporation add this to any Food? Why not just use regular sugar.
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Pink,
You are right. Organization is probably key to them changing their ways. I don't know much about Weight Watchers, but some organized group would probably help. A reality show about them probably doesn't help. I've watched an episode, they all play to the camera. Their interactions just seem fake.
Vegan toddler? Not something I'd recommend for a child, there are an number of nutrients that are best obtained from animal sources. And veganism isn't as "healthy" as they claim. These kids can be profoundly malnourished. Ricketts comes to mind. As does iron deficiency anemia, and some amino acid deficiencies.
Hmmm I question the decision for the baby too. She's still being breast fed, would that not be enough iron? I personally don't like it but they've researched everything and feel comfortable with it. My sister said that children who are being raised vegan should be breast fed for 2 years (which I think seem excessive).
Oh I should add that my sister has MS and has been off her meds since pregnancy. I think that this breastfeeding shit needs to come to an end so that she can be back on meds but she doesn't listen to anyone. From the time of her diagnosis to right before her pregnancy, which was about a 10 year span, her MRI's showed that there was no progression of the MS which was a blessing but she hasn't had an MRI since before the pregnancy so who knows what the next one will show.
"I think that this breastfeeding shit needs to come to an end so that she can be back on meds but she doesn't listen to anyone."
"I think that this breastfeeding shit needs to come"
"this breastfeeding shit"
"so that she can be back on meds"
... damn. Pink.
Sista.
Don't let them quacks get you twisted.
Breastfeeding is not "shit".
It is the most absolutely healthy thing in the world for a child.
Anything less should be considered criminal.
Once these bastards tricked women away from breastfeeding they started feeding the babies chemicals.
That's why we have generations of malnourished obese diseased adults today.
Come on Pink.
If moms a vegan too...
The problem with them "researching" everything is the same problem I face here on this blog. There's ALOT of SHIT on the internet. And there are alot of QUACK self proclaimed "nutrition experts".
Can't comment on your nieces case. I wouldn't do that to my kid though. Think about it. Were our ancestors over the last 140,000 years vegan? I'm sure there were some...but I'm sure they came sniffing around the Mastadon when the hunters brought one back.
Two years on the breast? You have breasts. You want a kid walking up to you with teeth pulling down your shirt?
DV did you miss the fact that my sister has a possibly debilitating disease? It's total bullshit and I would give my kid a bottle in a second if it meant going back to medicine that's going to prevent that kid from becoming my caretaker.
It's not excessive, that's the recommended period for vegan kids.
My sis has a vegetarian daughter who was breastfed for 14 months.
My friend has three beautiful vegan children who are healthy and were breastfed btwn 15-18months.
The way I know babies to be raised the first 12 months of a baby's life is primarily vegan anyway.
The case of Pink's sista is a very different matter - maybe she should consider supplementing the child's food with pureed veggies and think about her health too - are there viable alternative therapies she might be persuaded to consider if she's anti-meds?
"There's ALOT of SHIT on the internet."
There's ALOT of SHIT in medical school too.
There's ALOT of SHIT in hospitals.
There's ALOT of SHIT in vaccines.
There's ALOT of SHIT in food.
These Quacks with medical degrees want to be the sole arbiters of knowledge.
I suggest Pink, that you not get caught up in the game of who's information is better.
Just look around and see who are the healthiest people and who is hearts are exploding in their chests and whose guts are rotting out from cancer.
Do what the healthiest people do.
Don't do what sick people do.
Sick people get their advice from quacks and do dumb shit like feed their children MSG "in moderation".
Sick people pump their kids full of vaccines.
"I think that this breastfeeding shit needs to come to an end so that she can be back on meds but she doesn't listen to anyone."
Yeah that is kinda of "youch" like.
Sounds like:
I think that this natural long hair sh!t needs to come to an end so that she can get back on weave but she doesn't listen to anyone.
KW if your sister does not have MS or any other neurological disorder her breastfeeding her kid for a long time is not going to hurt her own health. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with breastfeeding for a longer time if your sister is healthy. But I thank God that my sister has been healthy in spite of her diagnosis. We're only a year and a half apart and she is my best friend. The thought of her not being healthy in order to breast feed is absurd to me.
Yeah Pink.
I saw that.
Did you see this?
In the latest blow to the controversial multiple sclerosis drug Tysabri, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has ordered a new label be put on the drug, warning that the risk of developing progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML), a rare but deadly brain infection, increases as more Tysabri infusions are received.
Natalizumab (Tysabri) first received FDA approval in November 2004, only to be pulled from the market three months later after several patients in clinical trials developed PML.
In June 2006, the FDA allowed the drug back on the market, but with strict conditions. According to those revised guidelines, Tysabri can only be administered by approved doctors at sites that register and comply with a patient-safety program.
The new action was based on reports of 31 confirmed cases of PML as of January 21, 2010.
Once again, Gee-Chee, if long natural hair prevents someone from preventing their illness from progressing than yeah, it would be bullshit. Absolutely.
If you choose the conventional approach to healing, you should know that neurologists (the specialists who typically monitor these types of diseases) routinely prescribe a variety of very toxic and dangerous medications to their MS patients -- medications that in no way, shape or form address the underlying cause of the disease.
Further, as in the case of Tysabri, the treatment could actually kill you.
DV I would recognize the drug that she's on if I saw it and that's not it...
You Can Treat MS Naturally
More often than not, some form of hidden emotional wound can be found in patients suffering with autoimmune diseases like MS.
Typically, this wounding occurred at a very young age, almost always before the age of 7, and typically before the age of 5.
Frequently, these emotional injuries result in physical damage decades later, and we’ve found that without effective intervention to address these underlying emotional injuries, you may not be able to get significantly better.
Strategies like meditation, prayer, Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and Meridian Tapping Techniques (MTT) are particularly effective and need to be part of your overall treatment strategy in order to truly address the root of your illness.
Along with addressing the emotional component, you will want to work with a knowledgeable natural health care practitioner who can help you to:
Optimize your vitamin D levels
Optimize your vitamin D levels
Optimize your vitamin D levels
Optimize your vitamin D levels
Optimize your vitamin D levels
In the near future I believe it could be considered malpractice not to carefully monitor the vitamin D level of patients’ with autoimmune disease, as the evidence is so profoundly compelling of how useful it is in these conditions.
As with virtually all other autoimmune diseases, optimizing your vitamin D levels is an essential step.
Ideally, your level should be somewhere between 70-90 ng/ml, which you can find out through a simple blood test.
I recommend using LabCorp for this if you’re in the United States.
Ideally you’ll want to raise (and maintain) your vitamin D levels by regularly exposing large amounts of your skin to sunshine, or by using a safe tanning bed.
If for any reason neither is available to you, you can use an oral supplement of vitamin D3.
Doses for an oral supplement could be as high as 10,000 IU’s a day depending on your current level, so it’s very important to monitor your levels regularly.
And honestly it's very easy to theorize about something when it doesn't affect you or your family. But what I know is that there has been no additional legions on her brain in 10 years and she may be jeopardizing that in order to not feed her child food like the majority of one year olds are getting. It can be organic, vegan or whatever, but she needs to be concerned with her own health or I will be raising that baby and she will have no control over what the child eats anyway.
Optimize your essential fat intake
Optimize your essential fat intake
Optimize your essential fat intake
Optimize your essential fat intake
You need to make sure you’re getting a good supply of high-quality, animal-based omega-3 fats such as krill oil.
Part of optimizing your essential fats also includes avoiding damaged, processed fats found in most all processed foods.
Especially damaging are the refined omega-6 fats found in soy-, canola-, and corn oil.
These are usually highly oxidized and also contain trans fats and cyclic fats that embed themselves into your cell membranes, distorting the cellular functions.
Eliminate sugar
Eliminate sugar
Eliminate sugar
Eliminate sugar
Eliminate sugar
Another crucial element is to eliminate as much sugar as possible from your diet. Cutting out processed foods will go a long way to reduce excess sugar, in addition to eliminating the majority of damaging fats in your diet.
Two Final Strategies to Try
The above recommendations are the crux of our MS treatment program, and apply to virtually everyone struggling with this disease.
If you suffer from MS and apply these strategies, I am confident you will notice a dramatic improvement.
However, there are a few other newer treatments that are worth looking into as well, especially low-dose Naltrexone (LDN), along with alpha lipoic acid.
I gotta call bullshit on some early emotional injury. We are only 1.5 years apart, I know the girls upbringing like I know my own. My parents were vigilant about our upbringing. We've never even had a babysitter.
1. Low-Dose Naltrexone
Naltrexone (generic name) is a pharmacologically active opioid antagonist, conventionally used to treat drug- and alcohol addiction -- normally at doses of 50mg to 300mg.
As such, it’s been an FDA-approved drug for over two decades.
However, researchers have found that at very low dosages (3 to 4.5 mg), naltrexone has immunomodulating properties that may be able to successfully treat cancer malignancies and a wide range of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s, fibromyalgia, and Crohn’s disease, just to name a few.
Dr. Bert Berkson is an expert on this regimen. For more information about his findings and successes using this combination, please review this previous article.
2. Mercury Detox
Mercury is clearly a neurotoxic poison that should be avoided, so avoiding eating fish and refusing or removing mercury dental amalgams are also important aspects.
Many still do not realize that the majority of a “silver” filling is in fact mercury, and despite its obvious risks mercury fillings are still used in the field of dentistry.
We are making strong efforts to have mercury eliminated from dental practices in the U.S. and will hopefully succeed in that mission within the next few years. Until then, however, it’s up to you to choose a dentist that has the good sense not to use it.
Additionally, there are now a few new supplements to help eliminate mercury from your system. One in particular that appears to be very effective, developed by Dr. Boyd Haley, is called Oxidative Stress Reliever, or OSR for short.
So I strongly recommend that you hold off on taking any toxic drugs to treat MS, as these drug treatments can leave you with conditions that are worse than those you started with. You are far better off overcoming MS using lifestyle changes that will help to nourish and heal your body from the inside out.
Pink
I'd advise you to speak to your sista and make her see she needs to be healthy in the long-term if she wants to see her baby grow. The child is one now and she can start introducing different foods.
What has she said about alternative treatments? And is the cause of MS known?
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If the three step hypothesis presented in this book is correct, then it is possible to prevent and reverse multiple sclerosis. However, to achieve such goals requires societal and individual commitment. This volume concludes with an outline of the strategies that are needed. These include promoting anti-inflammatory diets and methods for avoiding the allergens that trigger inflammatory cascades and associated chronic auotimmune disease. Also discussed are orthomolecular techniques for mitigating the negative impacts of the neurotoxins associated with the oxidation of excess dopamine and for stimulating the body to produce higher levels of antioxidant enzymes, such as glutathione peroxidase. In summary, this book provides new evidence on the causes of multiple sclerosis and offers approaches for reversing its impacts."
"Breastfeeding is not "shit".
It is the most absolutely healthy thing in the world for a child."
You are right. Unless mom doesn't have a healthy diet, the volume of milk may decrease. Or if mom is smoking tobacco, crack, marijuana, or any other substances can get into the milk. Breast milk might not be as nutritious if moms diet is "extreme".
Pink the reason our host doesn't want you to "get caught up in the 'game' of whose information is better" is because he considers it a 'game'. I don't. I have real responsibility for patients. He doesn't. He doesn't see the aftermath of the fads he proposes. I do.
His information isn't backed up with data or facts. Mine is.
He doesn't know how any of the stuff he proposes works. It doesn't. He doesn't know how his own body works. I do.
Now let's take his last few posts. Ask yourself how much of that is true? Then ask yourself if you'd believe some cat on the internet who has NO idea what multiple sclerosis is, or how any of that other stuff is supposed to make it better.
Choose wisely.
Yeah Pink.
I feel you.
It's not my sister.
It's not my niece or nephew.
But it doesn't really have to be understand that treating MS ... with toxic drugs ... is not the ONLY option.
Despite what the quacks tell you.
Taking the baby off of the breast now will simply mean putting more chemicals and toxins and additives into that baby's system before that baby can defend itself.
Then eventually you will have two close relatives fighting debilitating diseases.
Pink. Don't let the quacks make you think their toxic drugs are your only option.
9 out of 10 health problems can be traced to their toxic drugs to begin with.
Pink,
Why don't you ask these two cretins to explain the pathophysiology of MS to you. Then ask them how each of those treatments will modify the disease. Ask them to say it in their own words, and not just cut and past long swaths from websites.
I'll sit here and be quiet.
KW my sister is the type to tell you what you want to hear but not listen to a word you say. I told her she needs to go back to a neurologist (it's been 2 years since she's been to hers and she's since moved to another state) and see what's what since the pregnancy and since she's stopped taking the medicine. She chooses to pretend it's all good and ignore reality.
Thanks Gee Chee. I'll tell her about the book.
"You are right. Unless mom doesn't have a healthy diet, the volume of milk may decrease. Or if mom is smoking tobacco, crack, marijuana, or any other substances can get into the milk. Breast milk might not be as nutritious if moms diet is "extreme"." DMG
Doc.
Name anything healthier for a baby than mother's breast milk:
________________________________ ?
"I told her she needs to go back to a neurologist (it's been 2 years since she's been to hers and she's since moved to another state)" Pink
Pink, please tell your sister DV said "Big Ups. Smartest thing she has ever done. Tell her to seek a natural way to treat her MS.
If it is not natural ... it is toxic."
DokTor
"The pathology is characterized by multifocal lesions, the MS plaques. The usual evolution of the MS plaque is s follows: in the acute phase, activated mononuclear cells, including lymphocytes, microglia, and macrophages destroy myelin and to a variable degree, oligodendroctes. Myelin debris are picked up by macrophages and degraded. At an early stage, macrophages contain myelin fragments; later, myelin proteins, and, at the end, lipids from chemical degradation of myelin lipids. This evolution takes a few weeks. With time, gliosis develops, and plaques reach a burned-out stage consisting of demyelinated axons traversing glial scar tissue. Remaining oligodendrocytes attempt to make new myelin. If the inflammatory process is arrested at an early phase, plaques are partially remyelinated. In more advanced lesions, remyelination is ineffective because gliosis creates a barrier between the myelin producing cells and their axonal targets. The pathological process may be arrested at any time, sometimes after partial demyelination." :)
WTH does that prove?
How about this military man:
A former military man, PFC Donald Bentley, was in the US Army, and was trained in bacteriological warfare. He was handling a bomb filled with brucellosis, only it wasn’t brucellosis; it was a Brucella toxin in crystalline form. They were spraying it on the Chinese and North Koreans.......he has 16 pages of documents given to him by the US military.... they linked brucellosis with multiple sclerosis, and stated in one section: "Veterans with multiple sclerosis, a kind of creeping paralysis developing to a degree of 10% or more disability within two years after separation from active service, may be presumed to be service-connected for disability compensation. Compensation is payable to eligible veterans whose disabilities are due to service." In other words: "If you become ill with multiple sclerosis, it is because you were handling this Brucella, and we will give you a pension. Don’t go raising any fuss about it." In these documents, the government of the United States revealed evidence of the cause of multiple sclerosis, but they didn’t make it known to the public—or to your doctor.
In a 1949 report, Drs Kyger and Haden suggested "the possibility that multiple sclerosis might be a central nervous system manifestation of chronic brucellosis".
Testing approximately 113 MS patients, they found that almost 95% also tested positive for Brucella.(5) We have a document from a medical journal, which concludes that one out of 500 people who had brucellosis would develop what they call neurobrucellosis; in other words, brucellosis in the brain, where the Brucella settles in the lateral ventrides—where the disease multiple sclerosis is basically located."
Hey maybe the cretin would like to ask you about Mycoplasman (The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases) and its relationship to MS Huh! Huh!
Techno dance doc.
they are no conspiracies.
MOTI,
Breast milk IS the best for babies. But you realize they CHANGE as they get older and require something more.
But like I said. If mom is poorly nourished and isn't producing enough for the infant...what are you going to do?
Let me ask you...why aren't YOU still on breast milk?
Yes, Pink. Tell your sister that some cat on the internet, with no knowledge or understanding of Multiple Sclerosis is giving her advice.
Hey MOTI, maybe you've got yourself your very own patient. You going to take responsibility for her if she relapses? If she becomes a quadriplegic, or has acute respiratory failure? What are you going to tell her family about your plan?
Come on tell me what you're going to do then? She's YOUR patient. She's YOUR responsibility.
Pink
The thing about being vegan is that it's not just about what you put on your plate but how you take care of your whole body. Your sista's health is a priority and your neice's health depends on hers. If she does nothing about her health, then its not doing her or the baby much good.
I understand it must be a very difficult thing for her to come to terms with, but she must. That's the first step to getting better - sell it to her like it was part of a vegan regimen.
Unless she may develop/have osteoperosis, massage therapy is a good alternative not only for body, but also mentally. Incidentally marijuana is also said to help with the pain and acupuncture to help with neurological functions.
If I were you I'd read up on which path of treatment she seems most likely to go for and find out what treatments local practitioners in my area recommend. Then, I'd take time off work and go visit. Help her find the help she wants.
Over the phone she can smile and say yea, yea, its all good, but she can't front when you tell her you're not leaving till you sort her health out.
Wish you all the best...bless
"Breast milk IS the best for babies.
But you realize they CHANGE as they get older and require something more.But like I said. If mom is poorly nourished and isn't producing enough for the infant...what are you going to do? "
uhhhh ... nourish mom?
Come on tell me what you're going to do then? She's YOUR patient. She's YOUR responsibility.
She's not.
That's the problem with you Plantation MD's.
You've been taught to relate to people as if they need your "care".
They don't.
Their bodies can heal themselves.
If properly nourished and protected from toxins.
But.
That doesn't make money for your employers.
Consequently you can ONLY think in terms of treating or "caring" for sick people.
The concept of preventing sickness and healing without drugs or surgery or your patronizing care is anathema to technocrats who want people to be dependent on them.
"uhhhh ... nourish mom?"
Ah...NO SHIT. And when mom is a Vegan, and doesn't believe she's malnourished?
As I thought. You take responsibility for nothing you advocate.
Please all of you make a note of this.
"Ah...NO SHIT. And when mom is a Vegan, and doesn't believe she's malnourished? " DMG
Call the police. Strap her down. Drive her to CVS. Inject her with vaccines. Take the baby and force feed it Similac.
...
What kind of stupid desperate question is that?
Being a "vegan" (whatever that is) does not mean one is not malnourished.
Doc.
I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.
You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.
MOTI,
Should we revisit that question I asked you many months ago about what you would do if your child had appendicitis? Since you say...with proper nutrition our bodies can heal themselves.
Guess you've never heard of Sepsis. Look up the definition. Here I'll do it for you like always. Sepsis.
So Junior isn't feeling very well. Has abdominal pain, then starts to vomit. Doesn't feel like eating.
So what do you do?
Pains now migrated to his right lower side, and it's sharp like somebody "is stabbing me daddy". He's in tears.
So what do you do?
A. Feed him Chia seeds
B. Bring him to me so he can have his appendix removed before it ruptures spewing bacteria laden shit into his abdominal cavity?
You chose A. Feed him Chia Seeds
Appendix ruptures and he has generalized peritonitis. He is septic. He has a fever of 104F, is sweating and has a rigid abdomen. He's delirious.
You don't believe in doctors, or antibiotics.
What do you do next? Cause now his breathing is becoming labored...
You have a hard time because you are not up on anatomy, physiology, pathology, breast milk composition postnatal lactation, etc, etc.
You know very well what a VEGAN diet is. I asked you a serious question. What do YOU do? What do YOU advise?
Don't punk out now. But go ahead and answer the appendicitis questions first. I'm curious how you would react to a very real threat that has nothing to do with diet (except maybe those Chia seeds getting caught in the appendiceal lumen).
Your appendix, long touted by doctors to have no apparent purpose, turns out to be good for something after all. Surgeons and immunologists from Duke University Medical School believe your appendix produces and protects the good bacteria in your gut.
There are more bacteria in your body than cells, and much of it is used to help you digest food. However, if your good bacteria dies, as the result of cholera or dysentery for instance, your appendix appears to restore good bacteria to your gut.
Your appendix acts like a “bacteria factory” that “cultivates good germs,” according to the study’s authors.
They pointed out that this function is not needed in industrialized society, because if your gut flora dies you can easily repopulate it with germs from other people. In the past, however, the appendix came in handy when disease epidemics affected entire regions, and the good bacteria was not easy to repopulate.
In modern times, appendixes may still be useful in less developed countries.
If your appendix becomes infecte
A previous study published in the Journal of Theoretical Biology found that your appendix serves as a “backup factory” for beneficial commensal bacteria, the symbiotic germs that aid digestion and help protect your body against disease-causing germs.
If the good bacteria in your colon dies, which could happen as a result of cholera or dysentery for instance, it appears your appendix steps up to help recolonize your gut with good bacteria.
Modern society has become so hypervigilant against bacteria that many forget a very important point -- The bacteria in your body actually outnumber your cells by about ten to one, and without them you would die.
For example, the friendly bacteria that reside in your gut have a number of very important functions, such as:
Digesting and absorbing certain carbohydrates.
Without good gut bacteria, your body cannot absorb certain undigested starches, fiber, and sugars. The friendly bacteria in your digestive tract convert these carbohydrates into primary sources of important energy and nutrients.
Producing vitamins, absorbing minerals and eliminating toxins. Probiotics help in the production of both vitamin K and B vitamins, and promote mineral absorption. They also aid in metabolism and the breakdown of toxins.
Keeping bad bacteria under control.
A large part of the influence of the "bad" bacteria is on your intestinal lining (mucousal barrier). Simply stated, friendly bacteria compete with the bad guys for room and board, but since beneficial bacteria are more at home there, they win most of the battles for nutrition and attachment sites within your colon.
The good bacteria tell your body how much nutrition they need and your body responds by supplying just that much and no more - so that any excess bad bacteria are starved out. The helpful bacteria also produce a substance that kills harmful microbes.
Preventing allergies.
Friendly bacteria train your immune system to distinguish between pathogens and non-harmful antigens, and to respond appropriately. This important function prevents your immune system from overreacting to non-harmful antigens, which is the genesis of allergies.
Providing vital support to your immune system.
Beneficial bacteria have a lifelong, powerful effect on your gut’s immune system and your systemic immune system as well. The bacteria play a crucial role in the development and operation of the mucosal immune system in your digestive tract. They also aid in the production of antibodies to pathogens.
OK. So you don't know the difference between your abdominal cavity and the lumen of the gut...where lots of bacteria live naturally.
You going to answer the questions or stall?
Because the more you stall...the more you look like a punk.
No pressure.
dmg,
please stop. this is the silliest shit i have encountered. of course if someone's appendix becomes infected it should be removed.
the greater question is "what is causing the infection?"
we all believe u have been to medical school and are a practicing physician. we get it. but be assured....no one here is stupid. we know how to read and research info too. and more importantly, we know how to "listen" to our bodies.....
try it. it works.
TGN,
NO. I won't. Why would you assume our host would rush his kid to the hospital? He's all along made statements to the contrary.
Just sit back and enjoy.
Sista Nurse!
How you?
DMG.
Would I take my son to the hospital if I believed his appendix burst?
At that point. Yes.
Gun shots. Car accidents.
Anything triage related.
Other than that ... Nooooooooooo
APPENDICITIS, COLITIS, AND OBSTRUCTION
Appendicitis.--There never was a case of appendicitis that was not preceded by constipation and colitis. Indeed, appendicitis is sequential to these two affections. It will be necessary to consider them as different stages of one disease.
Bowel obstruction in appendicitis is not so complete as in the disease known as complete obstruction, the difference being a lack of intensity, The pain is not so great. Yet, after the first clearing-out of the bowels from drugs, enemas, or perhaps a slight diarrhea, enemas fail to bring anything more than mucus. The same is true of complete obstruction. If food of any kind, even liquid food or milk, is taken, vomiting will take place, and intense pain will follow almost immediately after the ingestion of a very small quantity. This is due to the stimulating effects of the food, creating peristalsis. If food is withheld, these patients become very comfortable. There will be a dullness on percussion in the lower anterior right side of the abdomen, to the right of, and two inches below, the umbilicus. This part will be sensitive on pressure. But, indeed, an experienced physician will use no pressure; he will diagnose his case from what subjective symptoms the patient describes, and the objective symptoms that he himself can see, without submitting his patient to the dangerous procedure of deep bimanual examination. Nearly every case of rupture of the appendiceal abscess has been brought about by the surgeon in his zeal to diagnose the disease and determine if the usual tumor-like development--pus sac--can be found. The obstruction in appendicitis is due more to muscular fixation than to accumulation in the intestine; indeed, most of the obstruction is caused by the inflammatory process--irritation, determination of blood, swelling, and the exudation which is for the purpose of walling in the forming abscess. Muscle fixation guards the intestine and secures quiet. Motion is dangerous; there is danger in using physic, or doing anything that will stimulate peristaltic action, because of a possibility of a rupture or perforation of a necrosed bowel.
The highly sensitive state of the bowels obtaining in this disease puts the muscles in the region on guard, and the parts are fixed for the very definite purpose of conserving the life of the patient. If nature is not meddled with, the abscess will form and rupture will take place along the line of least resistance, which will be into the bowel. In this way the abscess will empty, and in a very short time after the pus has gained entrance into the bowel, inflammation, swelling, and obstruction will subside, and within twenty-four hours the patient may be given fluid nourishment.
Colitis.--Discomfort in the lower bowels and pelvic region, sometimes amounting to distress. The discomfort of this disease is so great and so constant that thousands have been subjected to operations for appendicitis, ovaritis, and other diseases, without the least suspicion that the real disease was nothing more than gaseous distention of a chronically inflamed colon. Many more have been subjected to ovariotomy--in fact, all the operations peculiar to the pelvic region--because of this discomfort in the lower bowels. Patients frequently complain of pain in the lower right frontal region of the abdomen. At first they are suspicious of appendicitis, and too often the medical man is willing to confirm this suspicion and recommend an unnecessary operation.
Obstruction.--Distressing pain in the lower bowels, with inability to secure a movement. The taking of laxatives or physic creates great nausea and vomiting, but fails to cause the bowels to move. Large enemas may be used, which return without carrying with them any fecal matter, after the rectum, and perhaps the signioid flexure, are cleared of their contents. If the obstruction is complete, the symptoms become very grave, the stomach will not tolerate anything, not even water, and the distress caused by taking food, or even taking water, is so great that everything by way of the mouth has to be suspended. The pulse increases in frequency, the breathing is hurried, the skin clammy, all the symptoms of collapse gradually set in, and within forty-eight to seventy-two hours death relieves the sufferer.
Treatment.--In colitis anything that has a tendency to create inflammation of the mucous membrane must be overcome. The bowels must be emptied every day--constipation must be overcome. This can be temporarily relieved by a very light saline laxative, or laxative foods, or small enemas--not more than a pint of water placed in the rectum and left there for five or ten minutes; then solicit a movement. This should be carried out regularly every night. On account of the great tendency for carbohydrate foods to cause gas in the bowels, these foods should be either proscribed entirely or given in very limited quantities. Meat, non-starchy vegetables, and fresh fruits are the proper foods for those who have chronic colitis. For chronic colitis very little starch should be used--none whatever by the obese. Until all the symptoms are under control, no food should be given except fruit three times a day. When the patient is better, the noon meal may be meat, one or two cooked, non-starchy vegetables, and a combination salad. This should be kept up for weeks, if necessary, to overcome the disease. The stools should be watched. If there is much catarrhal discharge, this is evidence that the disease is not yet under control. No starch should be given until the bowels are moving without any mucus in the stools; in fact, the mucous discharge must be overcome before a cure can be accomplished. Then white-flour bread thoroughly toasted, is the best form of starch to be given at first. The coarse bread has a tendency to irritate the bowels, and should not be used until the patient is quite well. During the time when the symptoms are most intense the seeded fruits should not be eaten; or, if they are, they should be run through a sieve or colander that will exclude the seeds.
For complete obstruction, a surgical operation at once is the only remedy. In this matter there must be no delay. Yet those interested in the case should not lose their head. Unfortunately, surgical insanity is so, general that it is a very difficult matter to find professional men who will not fly off at a tangent and recommend an operation for almost any severe pain in the bowels. But there is a great difference between obstruction caused by appendicitis and complete obstruction, which latter may be due to invagination, or telescoping of the bowels, or to a twist, or to mesenteric, mesocolic, omental, or any visceral hernia.
The treatment for appendicitis amounts to a wise letting-alone. The patient should be put to bed, with hot-water bottles to his feet. If in great pain, and running a temperature above 103° F., ice should be put over the region of the appendix. If the temperature is below 103° F., heat should be put to the abdomen. The mouth must be closed to everything, even water, until comfort is established, which will be within about three days. Then the patient may have all the water desired. A copious enema, or as much as can be introduced into the bowels, should be used every day, either morning or evening; but positively nothing else needs to be done until the bowels move without assistance, except for the enema which is used daily to wash out the lower bowels. There will be a large amount of accumulated fecal matter, blood, and pus above the portion of the bowels involved. The movement will be copious, because it will not take place within seven to twenty-seven days. Of course, the longer the patient lingers before the bowels do move, the greater the accumulation will be above the cut-off. Then, within three or four hours after the first copious evacuation, the patient will have another movement, which will show more or less pus. It will be well to wash out the bowels once or twice with simply warm water. Let the patient alone. He may have fluid nourishment for four or five days; and, to be really safe, he should confine his eating to fluid foods for the first week after the evacuation. Then gradually return to the accustomed style of eating. However, if a permanent cure is desired, such patients should live correctly ever after, having one meal of fruit, one of starch, and one of meat and vegetables.
H.T.M.L Learn it. Seriously, I know you are trying to get a point across. I feel that. I applaud you. But how many people are going to read all of that? You are stomping on your own foot, by posting these long cut and paste posts.
Can you give us an abbreviated post. Please.
MOTI,
Well that only took 7 months. So back to my point. Appendicitis isn't a gunshot, or accident. Don't know what you mean by "triage related".
But again this contradicts what you've previously stated. Let me list:
All disease is diet related.
You don't believe in germ theory.
You don't believe in antibiotics
"Their bodies can heal themselves.
If properly nourished and protected from toxins."
You want to know what made him "sick" Sepsis (systemic inflammatory response syndrome SIRS with an identifiable bacterial/viral culprit). His own immune system overwhelming response to his illness, can get so bad that it causes ARDS acute respiratory distress syndrome. Renal failure, multi organ dysfunction syndrome or failure. Capillaries become leaky, all sorts of cytokines are released. All sorts of badness.
My main point here is that it's not that simple. Sure your body can heal itself. But sometimes ones body goes overboard and actually hurts itself. Kind of like a hypertrophic scar or a Keloid.
Class is out for the evening.
If you ever quit with the theatrics, and the unfounded claims, you could really reach people. Diet IS important. But it's not the only player on the team. That's my point.
One last question...would you take him the hospital BEFORE it perforated? After now knowing the signs as I've laid them out here?
Whatever god you believe in forbid your boy or daughter gets sick with appendicitis. I really hope you will remember what I just laid out, and wouldn't be too proud to take the child in early to get treated. A ruptured appendix is no joke. I'd never say I told you so. In all seriousness.
IMO, I'd've rejected the Chia seeds from the get-go, they were a false choice. They're not the alternative cure, its Chinese Medicine.
From Uni of Maryland MedCenter:
Traditional Chinese herbal therapies may help treat appendicitis. There is not yet enough scientific research on Chinese or Western herbs to say that Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is effective for appendicitis, but there are some case reports from a TCM perspective.
In a report of 425 patients with acute appendicitis treated with Chinese herbal preparations, either with or without antibiotics, the majority did well and did not require surgery. Only 30 patients had acute relapse of appendicitis shortly after recovery. However, because standards of care vary between different TCM practitioners, appendicitis should be treated by conventional medicine and not with acupuncture and Chinese medicine.
Because I don't go to a TCM practitioner to know their std of care, I'd go with conventional meds in this case. I would also use herbs, like dandelion and Vitamin A, C & E supplements to help with the recovery process.
I favour a complementary approach to medicine and understand the benefits of Western Meds, but iAm instinctually inclined to turn to alternatives avenues first.
like i said. address the "what and the why" the child(person) has an infected appendix...what caused it? could it have been connected to poor dietary choices?
i realize you want to support your decision to practice medicine by attempting to make others depend on your knowledge you obtained in school, but i challenge you to be more than a reactionary clinician....help our people truly prevent disease by teaching holistic, preventive care of this gift called life..
be well. for real.
TGN,
You are a nurse. You know what causes appendicitis in the adolescent age group. Poor dietary choice isn't the answer. But we both know this.
My intention here has nothing to do with my practice of medicine. I was merely showing that our hosts actions are inconsistent with his words.
You don't need the sermon. This has nothing to do with being reactionary. What I do here has little to do with what I do in the hospital. I don't do preventive care...that's another specialty.
So, why did all of you all come running to his defense? You didn't want him to embarrass himself?
KW,
You go get you some Chinese Herbs, if you start having some sharp pains in your right lower abdomen...so 24 hours later when you are being wheeled into the OR (or you all call it the operating theatre there..), if you happen to meet a nice Anesthesiologist named Ann-Katrin, with a German/British mixed accent tell her I said hello.
Scare tactics Doc:
FEAR BASED MEDICINE!!!
Make your money Doc....
As i stated in the aforementioned Post:
The treatment for appendicitis amounts to a wise letting-alone.
The patient should be put to bed, with hot-water bottles to his feet.
If in great pain, and running a temperature above 103° F., ice should be put over the region of the appendix.
If the temperature is below 103° F., heat should be put to the abdomen.
The mouth must be closed to everything, even water, until comfort is established, which will be within about three days.
Then the patient may have all the water desired.
A copious enema, or as much as can be introduced into the bowels, should be used every day, either morning or evening; but positively nothing else needs to be done until the bowels move without assistance, except for the enema which is used daily to wash out the lower bowels.
Let the patient alone. He may have fluid nourishment for four or five days; and, to be really safe, he should confine his eating to fluid foods for the first week after the evacuation.
Then gradually return to the accustomed style of eating.
Leave him alone!
Scream, Booga Boo! Whoa! Scream again,
He is going to rupture and die then. Gotta go to the ER ASAP.
Ruptures?: You guys are mostly responsible:
The obstruction in appendicitis is due more to muscular fixation than to accumulation in the intestine;
indeed, most of the obstruction is caused by the inflammatory process--irritation, determination of blood, swelling, and the exudation which is for the purpose of walling in the forming abscess.
Muscle fixation guards the intestine and secures quiet. Motion is dangerous; there is danger in using physic, or doing anything that will stimulate peristaltic action, because of a possibility of a rupture or perforation of a necrosed bowel.
The highly sensitive state of the bowels obtaining in this disease puts the muscles in the region on guard, and the parts are fixed for the very definite purpose of conserving the life of the patient.
(((((((If nature is not meddled with, the abscess will form and rupture will take place along the line of least resistance, which will be into the bowel.
In this way the abscess will empty, and in a very short time after the pus has gained entrance into the bowel, inflammation, swelling, and obstruction will subside, and within twenty-four hours the patient may be given fluid nourishment.)))))
Not ever Country has an ER dude. This is how it is done with people who don't have the resources in poorer places instead of using the priest class methodology.
doc,
i am a nurse. but i am also inquisitive as hell. i remember what the text book says about appendicitis..it is caused when the lumen is blocked...typically by pure dee shit. that is a problem. that is usually solved by regulating the raggedy ass diet of most americans....
and for the record, i am not here to defend dv. take a look back in a few previous posts and u will see me disagree with him as well. everyone here has the ability to freely think and express that thought...just because we don't agree with you does not mean that we are less intelligent or more foolish..
like i said. stop it.
DMG
London is one of the world's largest cities, it is not a village. Unless your friend works at King's Hospital, chances of me meeting your good friend are slim to none. I'd land up in theatre because I didn't choose Chinese meds. Don't get it twisted aight.
KW,
Yes my dear friend, I know how large and wonderful London is, I've been there (and I'll be there mid-June--heading up to Leicester for a couple of days for a meeting, than back to London, would love to grab a drink). It was a joke.
KW, you'd land in theater because unless your Chinese Medicine relieved the mechanical obstruction of your appendix, it would burst after the swelling cut off the blood supply to the to the appendix wall. Again spewing bacteria laden shit into your abdominal cavity. Your choice.
I actually want to visit Kings while I'm there. By the way, can your recommend a nice restaurant? For my wife's birthday. Somewhere cool, but not touristy...
...I mean, you can go put hot water bottles on your feet if you like...I'm sorry I can't stop laughing at Waxy's nonsense to finish typing this...
Goddamn that was funny!
OK, Now to TGN,
As a nurse and medical professional, you have a duty to stick to the facts. Now, as a fellow medical professional, where do you get data to support your claim of "raggedy diet"? Do you have statistics from Spain? or Togo? or Japan? to back up your claim or are you just talking out of the side of your neck? Just curious?
I mean if you know something I don't, hook me up, so I can pass this along to my patients. Please. Enlighten me.
my data is the thousands if not millions of african americans (and others) who die every year by illness directly related to obesity and yes, raggedy assed diets.
now if u are asking me to spit a quote from a medical journal..that I cannot do. but i do not require a book or journal to substantiate the stench of rotting flesh that surrounds me.
i am finished with this. i suggest u let it go too.
have fun in the uk...
Fear-based tactics make the world go 'round.
oh, and hey dv...sorry i did not speak earlier in this thread...not intentional at all.
how's the queen? the cubs? snack?
do give all my hugs and kisses...
bishop (my son) has finished up his first yr of college...all gravy..3.6. handsome, doing his thing. could not be more proud.
tgn
@Big Man
Fear-based tactics make the world go 'round.-bm
You are so right bra. The negative -the dark side-
The judaic Saturn. That is where we are at.
Why do I want to pump out a little more positivity on this site BM?
Because Techno and DMG, constantly want most of the readers to be in a state of negativity(fear). Just read what they are posting.
Misery, Hatred, and Darkness. Can't prove their points without it. Vulgarity towards women etc., doesn't matter.
Show me something kind or respectful that they have illuminated us with.
Bra , Fear ain't going win- Love (counters fear), respect and kindness towards your fellow man will win out in the end.
You might ask the reason they keep on coming back after they say they are leaving?
Same reason Satan's been coming back.
Can't let DV, site turn into something spiritual and uplifting.
Namaste-
TGN,
OK, there are alot of fat black people. And how does that relate to acute appendicitis? Hmmm? I mean you DO know there are different etiologies depending on age of the patient (you did know that right?).
By the way, how many times has someone asked you to see a patient with an acute abdomen and make a diagnosis? What's that? Didn't quite hear you?
Obesity is a risk factor for ALOT of things, but it's not a risk factor for appendicitis, and now you are just making shit up. That's fine. At least you admitted it.
No need to get all emotional. You are doing the same thing almost everybody ELSE on here does.
Making shit up. Please don't do that. You represent nurses by using the term "Nurse" in your on screen name. People will look to you for real information. Play fast and loose with other stuff, but not the information WE BOTH use for our profession.
You are incorrect. I suggest you go back and read the pathophysiology of this disease.
I'm not sure you quite understand how it actually works. Not trying to be nasty, but what kind of nurse are you? How often have you seen patients with acute abdomen?
Funny, I can remember many of my patients with appendicitis (it's been awhile), I don't recall very many fat folks, sure there were some.
So Big Man,
Bottom line. Your kids got a belly ache. Who you gonna listen to: Me or your boy Wax?
No offense taken if you choose the clown with the crazy eyes, who cries easily, and tries to get you to buy into his MLM scheme selling vitamins, and supplements.
@House
No offense taken if you choose the clown with the crazy eyes, who cries easily, and tries to get you to buy into his MLM scheme selling vitamins, and supplements.- DMG
I see you painting DMG. Character assassination now huh?
Doc unlike you, I ain't got no hustle. Never been to a MLM line and don't try to sell supplements and use as little as possible.
Never ate a Chia seed. (Don't object to it, just haven't)
But, I see you working it Bra. Dude, I am almost retired and I am financially well off (my next door neighbors house is worth 17 mil and the other neighbor, well let just say you and your kids buy his music) and don't have to chase anything or hustle anyone. I ain't no billionaire Doc- but I am good. Its a great feeling. One day you will understand.
The truth is, I am just working with the man that you don't believe in. that is my current grind.:)
Just wanting to spread the gifts of love that were given to me Bra.
You catch me trying to get anyone to spend any money on anything- then come at me.
BTW, when do you find the time to work on your patients. I am really starting to think you work for Cass instead. (click here)
DMG and Wax
Both of y'all use the fear-based approach.
One says "If you believe anything these weirdos are telling you, I wash my hands of you and your illnesses. I'll treat you if you come in, but don't expect sympathy if you die."
The other says "If you believe anything the mainstream media, technocrats and their minions tell you, then it's on you. I warned you that your food, water and air is killing you and that the Communists will finish the job if you let them."
Same tactic, different aims.
Personally, if my children have a problem with their appendix I'm going to take them to a hospital.
While I disagree with some of the tactics and practices of certain doctors (Come on DMG, there are a bevy of pill pushers kissing up to pharma reps) I don't think traditional medicine is all evil and useless.
I filter what EVERYBODY here says through my internal filter and then I decide what I'm going to do. Anything else would be idiotic.
Weird, I posted a comment and it disappeared.
My fear tactic line wasn't intended as a dig, but more of an observation.
Most cats use fear as a motivator.
DMG does it.
Wax does it.
DV does it.
Cnu does it.
I do it.
Oh, and if I thought my children had a problem with their appendix I'd take them to the hospital. Not saying that the method described by Wax couldn't work, but I wouldn't risk it with my kids. I'd go with what my personal experience tells me has a track record of working.
I'm glad to see that you aren't living on the streets, pushing a grocery cart.
Well then, for someone with your wealth and resources you sure are a poor judge of character when it comes to finding trustworthy information. And no, I don't think my kid buys your neighbors music.
But anyway, all this stuff you are posting is what I'm talking about as the garbage of the internet. It's rather easily refuted. I'm truly at a loss. Why would you find this stuff trustworthy? Let's take Gary Null for instance (he was one of the guys who "authored" a paper from a few days ago).
References from 35 years ago, aren't exactly relevant in todays world...especially when it's from a speech in congress rather than a published report.
If the main point a paper is trying to make relies on out of context quotes...you might want to be a bit suspect.
I know you all don't care about graduate degrees, and really that's fine. But why go to some diploma mill to put one after your name, with little or no work? That doesn't set off alarm bells? That doesn't suggest that the person might not be completely honest with you?
Or the guy who had his medical license revoked because he wasn't mentally competent to care for patients?
Then, YOU attempt to pass off information about amino acids that is easily refuted. I did tell you that I have a degree in Biochemistry...right? I mean really, did you think you were going to get that stuff by me? I mean it's pretty basic stuff. You could have even checked it out on Wikipedia it's so basic. So, why do you do it, when you KNOW I have the background to swat it down, without much effort? Like the appendicitis stuff you wrote. I'm going to tell you right now...it's laughable. Every time you post something like that, it just removes that much more credibility. No offense, but you really don't have any right now. Toss up some false statistics if you like about physicians, I don't really mind. Outside of this blog, you not only don't have equal footing, but you aren't even allowed in the same conversation as me. That's just the facts man.
My question to you (and it's a serious question): Why is there always something fishy about the people you offer as "experts"? Why? It's for that reason your movement will remain on the fringes. I mean if you are trying to sell me Brand X, because you say it heals what ails me, and I very reasonably ask you how do you know. If your response is a shrug of the shoulders, or some made up stuff that has no basis in reality. Why should I believe you?
All, battling and joking aside. Give me a plausible reason why I should take your word for anything, if you can't give me a reasonable explanation?
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