Friday, May 07, 2010

Can Old School Rap ... Really Fuug With The New Shit? Seriously? Could Oscar Robinson Hang With Jordan? Can These Old Cats Hang With Lil Wayne?





To Not Feel Curtis Jackson Is Like Not Feeling Francis Ford Coppola
... Frontin'
Now these pussy niggas putting money on my head
Go on and get your refund motherfucker, I ain't dead
I'm the
diamond in the dirt, that ain't been found
I'm the
underground king and I ain't been crowned
When I rhyme, something special happen every time
I'm the greatest, something like Ali in his prime
I walk the block with the bundles
I've been knocked on the humble
Swing the ox when I rumble
Show your ass what my gun do

Got a temper nigga, go'head, lose your head
Turn your back on me, get clapped and lose your legs
I walk around gun on my waist, chip on my shoulder
Till I bust a clip in your face, pussy, this beef ain't over

Many men, many, many, many, many men
Wish death upon me
Lord I don't cry no more
Don't look to the sky no more
Have mercy on me
Have mercy on my soul
Somewhere my heart turned cold
Have mercy on many men
Many, many, many, many men
Wish death upon me

Sunny days wouldn't be special, if it wasn't for rain
Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain
Death gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard
It'll leave you physically, mentally, and emotionally scarred
This if for my niggas on the block, twisting trees and cigars
For the niggas on lock, doing life behind bars
I don't say only god can judge me, 'cause I see things clear
Quick these crackers will give my black ass a hundred years
I'm like Paulie in Goodfellas, you can call me the Don
Like Malcolm by any means, with my gun in my palm
Slim switched sides on me, let niggas ride on me
I thought we was cool, why you want me to die homie?

66 comments:

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Peachfuzz. Yes.

Unknown said...

DV get this shit off of here... this isn't a representation of old school. Nobody listened to this. Plus the imagery is offensive. Nigga put some De La soul or Whodini or Pharcyde on this joint as a representation. X clan didnt say much as far as content but the imagery was ill

Anonymous said...

Ill, you must've been either in pre-K or elementary at the time.

X-Clan didn't have content?

"I'm harder than the diamond that the Edomites steal" -X Clan

The diamond being the star of David, the Edomites, today's executors of Palestinian people.

What PE did for political rap is what the X did for Afrocentric rap. NOBODY in the HISTORY of rap, tops their content in African history. You can't even find proper lyrics for X-Clan online because many of their references are only found in the books of Anta Diop or John Henric Clarke, no joke.

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Anonymous said...

Zev Luv X of KMD is at a time when the only rap Wayne new at the time was Reynolds.

Wayne's contemporary is MF Doom (a recreated Zev) not Zev. Zev was at a time when rap was at it's most experimental stage.

Doom's mask alone says more than Wayne's chains. For real. How many dudes you know send out impostors of himself to do performances? That is the sickest chest move on the industry. On top of that everybody knows and still books this Negro for shows. Truly a Super-Villian genius.

Anonymous said...

MOS on Doom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBIvIDnnv8

Anonymous said...

Plus the imagery is offensive.-Ill

Come on Ill, you ain't getting the art. I mean were conceptual art intersects with Urban slanguage of Hip-Hop. You looking for someone to paste some Jacob Lawrence on an album cover, it ain't happening. You got to unlock them brain cells and expand. Look deeper Ill. Zev was doing this before waaay before Spike Lee's Bamboozle.

Your looking at the album cover that caused KMD to get dropped by their label because they refused to change it. It was the last project Doom did with his deceased brother Subroc. He wasn't switching sh!t for the industry. Still came out as Doom and was successful. That's one of those warm fuzzy Walt Disney happy endings. Naw Ill, it's easy to say that after the fact when everything is said and done. Plus Pharcyde is no catalysts. De La is, Whodini is, but not Pharcyde. Check them histories homie. They are obviously influenced by the "native tongue" movement, and contribute a good album to the legacy of Hip-Hop, but not a catalyst of anything.

Zev Luv X and Subroc took the concept of interacting with soundbites to another level. Where Public Enemy set it off in "Prophets of Rage" and "Burn Hollywood Burn," KMD switched it into a concept for the narrative of the album.

Anonymous said...

This concept wasn't for the Black Bastards album (never saw the light of day until the past 6 or 7 years) but the Mr. Hood album.

Here's something even more offensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYxks-1UVM

Anonymous said...

MF Doom today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzUY6Iiur6E&feature=related

Denmark Vesey said...

That's good shit Gee.

Yet, as is inevitable in any comparative rap discussions, one arrives at the point where it becomes necessary to qualify the judging criteria.

Your discourse is refreshing because it extends beyond the tired canard of the Nostalgic Rap Fans (Old niggas) who insist "dey aint talkin' 'bout nothing", when referring to the latest generation of rap superstars.

Rap is an art in and of itself.

It is far more than a collection of words that rhyme.

Rap is maximum abbreviation with minimum loss of meaning.

Rapping and casting spells are cousins.

Rappin and spittin game are siblings.

Rappin' and Hustling are soul mates.

Floyd Mayweather claims to be the greatest fighter of all time.

He says he has made more money than any fighter in history and that's about all that matters.

He's got a point.

Money is the ultimate score keeper.

Broke rappers make no sense. No matter how "Afro-centric" or political they seem at the time.

"A pimp aint a pimp with no hoes,
A hustla aint a hustla with no motherfuckin dough,
A thug aint a thug if his gun dont smoke,
A playa aint a playa if his ass dead broke" Fiddy

Personally I consider Biggie, Fiddy, Jay & Wayne the most politically relevant rappers of all time.

Nah.

Here me out.

These cats changed the meme of the politically impotent Negro perpetual victim into the self-affirming potent and empowered victor.

Lil Wayne's self-adulation is a metaphor for collective psychotherapy.

Peep the track again.

What's more politically empowering than purchasing NBA franchises, launching clothing lines and purchasing billion dollar beverage companies?

I consider Curtis Jackson a much more effective role model for my sons than a Chuck D.

Jay-Z was signed as an artist to Def Jam and eventually ran Def Jam.

"I don't get dropped. I drop the label". Jay-Z

That meme is POLITICAL. It is RELEVANT. It is meaningful. It is CONTAGIOUS.

makheru bradley said...

I don't know who "Oscar Robinson" is. Must be somebody off the playgrounds of America. I do remember the "Big O," Oscar Robertson, the only player in NBA history to average a triple double in a season.

Denmark Vesey said...

True Mak B.

He was a great player.

He did average a triple double in a season.

He was playing against flat footed white boys.

(Could the "Big O" even dunk?)

Could the "Big O" even make an NBA team today, let alone dominate the league?

What would D'Wayne Wade have averaged in 1964?

The fact is D'Wayne Wade, Kobe, Jordan, LeBron are all beneficiaries of Oscar's impact / development on and of the game.

Same with Rap.

The Old Cats did their thing.

But the ... effective .... rap artists today are far beyond anything cats were doing 30, 20, 10 or even 5 years ago.

The Doc aka "The Hood's Obama, Shovelin' Ma 'Cain" said...

>>>Rapping and casting spells are cousins.<<

Y'know, DV, I've had a story brewing in the back of my mind for a long time where I explore the link between magic and music, like the way, if you let your perception slip for an instant, sometimes it sounds like rappers/singers are really doing chants/incantations as opposed to lyrics. (Also note how musician and magician are only two letters apart, and if you write the 'u' just so, and the 's' just so, it could look simultaneously like the 'a' and the 'g'.) How the gold chains are kinda like amulets, the obsession with stealing a rappers' trademark chain being almost part and parcel with stealing a wizard's amulet, the source of his power. That sort of thing. (This guy, who you may know as the creator of Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentleman, is also a self-professed wizard, and I couldn't help but notice the first time I saw him decked out in all his jewelry, he wasn't too far removed from Slick Rick with a four-fingered ring on.)

Of course, the more I visit here, the more I worry that if something like that were successful, it'd only be because it was being used by the PTB so they can use it as a means of indoctrination of the occult to the hip hop generation. :p

/me is being facetious, but not very...

The Doc said...

>>>he wasn't too far removed from Slick Rick with a four-fingered ring on.<<

Or maybe the RZA

The Doc said...

Nahh.... definitely Rick.

The Doc said...

And to address your question, DV, I don't think you should look at it as a case of who's better? The old school paves the way for the new.

Who's a better aeronautical engineer, the modern day creator who designs 747s, or the Wright Brothers?

It's like asking which stone is greater on the Great Pyramids of Egypt, the capstone that reachest highest to the Heavens, or the lowly base stones that still touch the sand, when the reality is no matter how high that pinnacle stone reaches, without the ones at the base it'd be nowhere.

Anonymous said...

What made Slick Rick a role model was he could be vain, he could be “rich”, he could be fly without masquerading images of an immortal alpha male. In MC Ricky D’s world, sometimes you are just at a disadvantage and you loose.

Boogie Down was performin hey they ain't no joke
And a bunch of Brooklyn kids was lookin all down my throat
Was it my big chains with the big plates on em?
Then they rolled on me and told me to run em…
I said, "They're really not real, they're just a front for the girls"
Then a whole bunch of fists just, caved my world
I was in pain, so ashamed, I wish I had not came
Had to kindly pick up my face and then ride home on the train

But you know if you had heat on you at the time it would’ve played out like,

“Well he was huffin and puffin and he swung at me, word
So I pulled out my jammy and I silenced the nerd”

I was surrounded by friends that wanted to live out being a dope dealer or had beef everywhere they went. Neither world was my nature. I didn’t have the heart to just jump some dude just because. I couldn’t push dope when them other niggas had a father, mother and siblings. I reasoned that if something happens to them then their mother still has a family. Something happens to me, my mother has nobody. Slick Rick presented a world that I didn’t have to prove my masculinity by slang’n or clapp’n. His imagery suggested to me, that you could be fly without building a self-destructive resume for the sake of respect. Why does one want respect? Because self-worth is wrapped all in it.

No, Ricky D’s reasoning is, Fact: Genetically I’m fly. Fact: You are my genetic lesser. Your Homo sapien vs. my Hetero sapien. You prove your significance to ME by becoming acquainted with a bar of soap and some Polo cologne.

Yes, it’s vanity at it’s height, but that self-worth can be a young man’s salvation when he only understands one school of thought for what makes a man. The Great Adventures of Slick Rick was my training manual. Orientation to manhood. Not the best example, but it was the best example for me.

Anonymous said...

“Money is the ultimate score keeper. Broke rappers make no sense. No matter how "Afro-centric" or political they seem at the time… Personally I consider Biggie, Fiddy, Jay & Wayne the most politically relevant rappers of all time.”-DV

I know a young black dude that just hit fo’ddy and deals in natural gas. He’s richer than Fiddy. Much richer. People know Fiddy but they don’t know my man that hit fo’ddy. Why? Because Fiddy is making records. Fiddy is not famous because he’s rich. Fiddy was a rapper first before getting rich. Jimmy Hendrix had nothing. His legacy will out strip Big, Fiddy and Weezy. His father has benefit more than Jimmy did. What is left behind? Not how much they made, but their impression, their concept, their influence. I saw Easy E the gangsta before I saw Easy E the entrepreneur. In 4th grade I saw Michael Jackson the best, whatever, before I saw Michael Jackson the owner of the Beattle’s catalogue. The reputation precedes the person. Fiddy rich, but he’s still an image of a sweat band and a fat watch.

Floyd can say he’s the richest boxer, he can’t say he’s the greatest. Really DV, who knows who Floyd is outside of boxing fans. There are only four boxers that the common person on the street knows. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, George Foreman…truthfully I don’t think they’ll even mention Sugar Ray Leonard. So no, three. Other than that, Floyd is not going down in history like that until he gets some kind of gimmick pop’n off. He knows it. That’s why the best thing for him to do is get money while he can. In Egypt, Malcolm X mentioned Muhammad Ali’s name and it spread like wild fire that he was Ali.

Look what image does DV. If you put out a pole of who would win in a fight, Bruce Lee or Floyd, most people will choose Bruce Lee. That is because an image, a legacy that Bruce Lee created. He didn’t need professional fights to build a legacy, he only needed to beat up a few traditional martial arts practitioners (which ain’t difficult if you know some boxing) and a movie theatre to flash his muscles in. What you’re left with is the world believing he was the greatest fighter.

Anonymous said...

I believe Wayne, Fiddy & Jay will not have a legacy that will extend to following generations. They are in a time when youth only live in the “now.” We can see the phenomenon of how rapidly people are forgetting events as oppose to 10 or 15 years ago. Rap is being constructed to swallow itself up…to serve only an immediate purpose. These white institutions are preserving what they consider significant rap. We aren’t interested in it like that. We are very “now.” Look how white folk preserve rock history. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. This is not taking place in our culture. We are as Fiddy says, “Get rich or Die trying.” Fiddy can’t wrap his brain around setting a legacy that extends beyond his immediateness. It’s like feeding a beast that keeps wanting twice the amount you fed it before.

Peep the imagery DV. You mentioned Jordan. You didn’t mention James or Bryant. Nike did that. Jordan WAS great because of his skill, but Jordan IS great because of Nike. Those shoes are great. That silhouette of a black man grabbing a basketball (arguably the moon as he flies) is GENIUS. That is why even though Jordan hasn’t been on a court for 12 years (not counting the Wizards) we are still talking about “who is the next Jordan?” He is the phoenix rising from the ashes with every reissue of shoes.

The image of the rapper or the basketball star is more appealing to these black youth. That’s why Ice Cube significance is when he made less loot than what he makes now. That’s why Ice Cube is still trying to rhyme. He’s nostalgic for when he was relevant.

DMG said...

When I think of X-Clan I think of THIS song.


I know you are really just trying to start conversation, which I think is cool.

I don't think you can ever really compare past vs present adequately. Jordan vs Kobe? Different time, place technical advances available, etc.

Same as with hip hop. Same as with medicine.

We stand on the shoulders of those who came before us.

It's not like the MC's and DJ's today invented hip hop. And now anyone with a mac an iPod and a mic do their thing.

Constructive Feedback said...

I wuz feeling you until you got to this part bro.

[quote]Money is the ultimate score keeper.

Broke rappers make no sense. No matter how "Afro-centric" or political they seem at the time.

"A pimp aint a pimp with no hoes,
A hustla aint a hustla with no motherfuckin dough,
A thug aint a thug if his gun dont smoke,
A playa aint a playa if his ass dead broke" Fiddy
[/quote]

Should be judge the quality of the music and rituals of our African ancestors based on the "Grammys" that they had acquired?

I struggle to understand how the SAME RAPPER - Grand Master Flash, for example, can grow up on the very same mean streets as did many of the "Hip Hop Voice Of The Street Pirates" today and yet operate with respect to some boundary in the LANGUAGE used in their product.

Today it appears that those who can find the lowest crevice in the gutter wins.

Anonymous said...

Some argue that old school is categorized from hip-hop's beginnings up until around '88 or '89. The "golden era" of hip-hop extends up till like '94. Even though I agree, I'm only saying what's argued.

Actually, it's not about KMD being a representation of the ol' school, I agree with Ill on that. Even though his argument is based on not knowing about KMD. They did not have great commercial success. You only see their youtube videos hitting the thousands because MF Doom did to KMD what Nike and Spike Lee did for Jordan. Would Hakeem Olajuwon have faded away if Nike was behind him? LA Gear is why he isn't remembered. Who is going to come to school in LA Gear. It was a noble gesture, but he's been in Nigeria too long when he made that move.

The reincarnation of MF Doom is what preserved KMD otherwise they would have faded into obscurity like the Jungle Brothers or Divine Styler. Who? Exactly.

Look up Doom Nike shoes and toys, see what they go for. What a record label did for KMD 20 years ago, Doom has been able to do just by association. That is influence that extends beyond his immediate relevance. I liked them because I was growing more interested in the abstraction of rhyming. They were never radio savvy. Tribes first album wasn't radio savvy. If Tribe hadn't gone to do anything else, nobody would even know them.

Later generations that know of Leaders of the New School it's only because of Busta Rhymes. Some criticize Chuck D for tolerating the Flavor of Love, but if you ever listen to Chuck speak, you'll understand he studies media. I believe he sees it as keeping PE relevant aside from Chuck D being swallowed up by the academic world.

Curtis Jackson said...

Nigga want his son to be me.
Nigga on my dick.
Lick, Nigga, lick.

Denmark Vesey said...

"if you let your perception slip for an instant, sometimes it sounds like rappers/singers are really doing chants/incantations as opposed to lyrics" The Doc

Yup.

Rap is 90% incantation.

Anything less than an incantation is a lecture.

Boring.

Dull.

Weak.

Which is why them "Conscious Rap" Negros never really work.

THEY SAY ALL THE RIGHT SHIT.

BUT STILL AINT SAYIN' NOTHING.

Feel me on that one Doc?

Think about it.

It's the same thing with Civil Rights Negros.

They say all the right things, but still aint saying nothing.

Which is why they are not effective.

They can't move the crowd.

What is considered "right" very often doesn't change anything.

The successful rapper imposes his memetic will to satisfy his self interest.

Get Money.

Everything else is talk.

You want to uplift the poor?

Cool.

Get Money & Uplift the poor.

You want raise consciousness?

Cool.

Get Money & Raise consciousness.

Like Muhammad Ali said "I want to help the poor. But I gotta beat George Foreman first. People like winners".

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Some criticize Chuck D for tolerating the Flavor of Love, but if you ever listen to Chuck speak, you'll understand he studies media.[/quote]

Gee-Chee:

I have no respect left for Chuck D after his years of taking the studio mic beside the "Snarling Fox White Liberal Bigots" on Air America.

As long as they both talked about their common enemy AND they referenced the INFERIORITY of Black people.....per our damage from SLAVERY - all was copacetic.

How many times did Chuck D NOT ONLY attack the "System" of American Capitalism BUT ALSO the perpetual White Liberal paternalism and the damage done upon our community?

His "Black Nationalism" is only a studio performance.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Floyd can say he’s the richest boxer, he can’t say he’s the greatest." Gee Chee

Actually Gee, Floyd can say he's the greatest.

He can say it and he does say it.

Which, to me, is half of it right there.

Floyd, is a Hip Hop boxer.

He is a rapper.

Instead of promoting concerts. He promotes fights.

Instead of starring in videos. He stars in Mayweather 24/7.

The most creative Hip Hop artists aren't only creative in the vocal booth.

They are creative in their marketing and their promotion.

Fiddy. Jigga. Lil Wayne. Biggie. Most creative cats ever looked at a microphone.

Denmark Vesey said...

I believe Wayne, Fiddy & Jay will not have a legacy that will extend to following generations. "

I don't see it that way Gee.

Not at all.

Lil Wayne is the most relevant person in the country right now.

Black or white.

From prison he can influence more people than Obama can from the White House.

Think about it.

KonWomyn said...

"From prison he can influence more people than Obama can from the White House." DV

By doing what?

KonWomyn said...

Fiddy. Jigga. Lil Wayne. Biggie. Most creative cats ever looked at a microphone.

Nope.

JayElecHannukah. Black Thought. Jigga. Biggie. Most creative cats ever looked at a microphone.

DMG said...

""From prison he can influence more people than Obama can from the White House." DV

By doing what?"

Maybe you should be asking TO DO what?

Denmark Vesey said...

"From prison he can influence more people than Obama can from the White House." DV


"By doing what?" KW

By creating and distributing compelling memes.


"Maybe you should be asking TO DO what?" Plantation MD


WHATEVER he decides he wants them to do.

Right now he is influencing people to send him money.

If he hooked up with DV.Net, he'd use his memetic influence to get black people off of vaccines and pork.

Together we could save millions and free countless Plantation Negros.

KonWomyn said...

DV
What exactly are those compelling memes?

Denmark Vesey said...

"What exactly are those compelling memes?" KW

"I am great"

"I am wonderful"

"I love me"

"Dropped my best shit like the Cowboys dropped Owens
I’m the best to ever do it mutha fucker I know it
No Ceilings Got Dammit now the f-ckin Sky’s showin uhh!"

When brothas love themselves THAT much ... it's easy to get them to walk away from pork and to stop injecting their children with toxic vaccines.

Plantation Negros don't think they are worth shit anyway so they will eat pork and corn syrup and allow Plantation MD's to inject them with whatever the pharmaceutical companies concoct.

Anonymous said...

From prison he can influence more people than Obama can from the White House.-DV

...DV...

I'm running my celli through diagnosis to check for taps. You listening in on my conversations?

I wish Wayne would be bold enough to say that. I really wish he would just say it in the sound booth. I would feel complete if only he would say that.

I agree. There ain't no cats quoting Obama...waiting by the tv screen for his next address...trying to get a little dog like Obama got. They looking for Wayne. Mixtapes etc. What Wayne got to say, cuz I know he'd
"rather be pushing up flowers
than to be in the pen sharing showers"

That's why Obama's PR gotta put out lil' info like Jay is on Obama's ipod to keep the Novocain refrigerated & fresh after every use.

...but he is ill now. I can't imagine how someone else 20 years from now is going to make him antiquated, but it's going to happen. The phenomenal viral nature of Hip-Hop (especially via the American super-media) allows Wayne to be the most significant at the moment. But DV, these cats are going to abandon Wayne. They don't think, and Wayne ain't trying to get them to think on anything but him and what's now. He has to establish the depth of social consciousness because that dude at his photo shoot is, whether the intention is to maximize Wayne's rap persona or his scary Negroness. But it's taking place.

They are being cultural strategists, we aren't. Their is a behind the scenes war. A secret war, but Wayne and them only thinking 'bout the ice part of this Cold War. I was disappointed in lil' Wayne speaking down on people that see him as a role model as if he was never young looking for identity. His words ain't going to counteract the influence of his imagery and lyricism. He can't believe that.

I ain't trying to sound so negative about these black youth but they are living out their immediate significance like Floyd or Wayne. Yeah Floyd putting these fools in check in these interviews when they come at him sideways. That's all you get though. They are locking up any responsibility and throwing away the key. The key to us getting out of this jam, these youth getting out of this jam, is instruction. These cats can dance around any responsibility but they are going to influence someone in one direction or the other whether they deny it or not. They just want to say it ain't so. These dudes ain't trying to take a moment to maximize their potential. I'm saying this to say this is why they aren't going to leave a legacy because legacy's aren't about just being rich. People remember John Gotti, but not Bernie Madoff.

DV, I honestly believe Wayne doesn't know how to be creative beyond a mic. He has tats and chains because he is conditioned to believe in multiplying what is street value as proving his self-worth. Now if his tats and chains functioned how Tyson's tats functioned when he came out of prison I could see it. He doesn't have the want to push that, beyond his "nowness" because he doesn't see any immediate benefit in that.

Whacha think?

Anonymous said...

One thing I can say about Cube is that he still got some back stock for you to go to. He can look as Walt Disney as he want to, but he still got Americas Most and Death Certificate on the shelf. No matter how whack his now music is.

I just want to add that Negro spirituals retain significance beyond spirituality but also for codifying escape during slavery. Contemporary emcees (some such as Wayne) have upped the bar on lyricism and bank digits, but why does social commentary have to be abandoned? It is amazing to hear a play on words, it's genius when cats begin to codify their work. They don't have to explain it. Duality. I've heard Wayne slip in some thangs here and there like "killing you slowly like can goods." Don't know if I quoted that word for word, it was on someone elses joint.

Denmark Vesey said...

"There ain't no cats quoting Obama...waiting by the tv screen for his next address...trying to get a little dog like Obama got. They looking for Wayne. Mixtapes etc. What Wayne got to say, cuz I know he'd
"rather be pushing up flowers
than to be in the pen sharing showers" Gee Chee

Brilliant

Denmark Vesey said...

"But DV, these cats are going to abandon Wayne.”
“They don't think, and Wayne ain't trying to get them to think on anything but him and what's now. He has to establish the depth of social consciousness" Gee Chee


I see what you sayin' Gee.

But I get a different take.

Who haven't cats abandoned?

...

...

?

If you haven't noticed G, Negros aint the most loyal dudes around.
I believe Wayne, Fiddy and Jigga work while Common and Twalib and Black Thought don't precisely because they are better in tune to the collective negro character.

They neither seek nor expect mass affection and mass approval.
These cats are smart enough to know that Plantation Negros are like Dobermans.

They'll turn on you.

Tupac knew it was going to be niggers who killed him. Biggie knew.

Fiddy got rich enough to keep niggas from killing him.

Jay-Z put himself in a position where niggas don't even think about killing him.
Killing Weezy F. Baby would be like killing a 25 year old Jordan. Why waste the talent?
Great rappers dabble in the Pimp ethos because it is a perfect metaphor for how one should relate to the rap audience: “don’t love them ho’s”.
You can’t turn a ho into a housewife and you can't turn a nation of Plantation Negro consumers into a nation of personally empowered, spiritually developed and healthy people.
They don't really give a shit whether muhfuggas like em or not.
They know it doesn't matter. Being "liked" is overrated.

"Don't like me. Buy my shit."

The best rappers in the world wisely reject the Establishment Negro archetype.

Nor do they identify with the black nationalist cliche.

Their choice to identify with the the outlaw, the empowered, the virile, the self-defining, the Hustler, the Principled, the Successful, the Gangster ... provides the memetic framework with which to make their art.

Why?

By not pretending to be selflessly dedicated to the 'Negro Saving business' Wayne, Fiddy and Jay-Z amplify their credibility.

Negros can't be saved.

Everybody aint going to make it.

Political Meme?

"Get a gun muhfuggahs. I got mine" ... is THE MOST politically relevant meme since Ali refused to go to Vietnam.

By not pretending to fix a broken Civil Rights Narrative which asks the government to deliver wonderful ghettos ... these cats say "I got the fuck out the ghetto. Now I live next door to De Niro. I'm in the casa counting dinero."

It'zzzzzzz da POLLLLITICCCCSSSS BAAABY (Richard Pryor flashback)

So that's how I see it G.

There exists an authenticity in these cats that is lacking from the memetic dealings of Goody Two Shoe Niggas intent on playing collective Capts. Save A Ho.

Thordaddy said...

Now fellas... hip hop justa medium,
Dem rappas be the memes...
Livin' n the NOW,
By way uh quantum dreams...

U got infinite material configurations
BUT.ONLY.ONE IS AS IT SEEMS...

THAT.IS.THE.NOW... always,
Uh new self-creatin' scheme...
Radically autonomous
IS WHAT THEEZ rappas BE,
They picked, plucked, cultured n crunked,
Moldin' cats N2 real O.G.s...
Itza cutthroat bi'ness
Cut uh throat n charge uh fee...
This gameboard bein' rigged
By the default elite...
They got haffa crew snortin' "equality"
The otha half playin' mad max on da street...

...N anotha' half... dancin' n between...

Got theez rappas operatin' 
Like high tech machines...
Embodiments,
OF-A-REAL-RADICAL-MEME
Right HERE, right NOW
A TOTALLY PHYSICAL THING
"Keepin' it real..."
Vitality, virility n whole lotta bling...
But this meant tuh crash and burn
AND NO ONE FEELS your STING...
Itz mean this meme...
It let u do ANYTHING,

Get it???

U made uh pact with the devil, magne...

Anonymous said...

Now let me just make it clear that I'm looking at their work from an artistic frame work. I'm not looking for them to turn the stage into a pulpit. I could never really feel Common. He comes off like what Shabazz Palaces said,

"What the fugg we look like corny azz niggus in a crowd eating jello at an open mic."

Easy-E. Catalyst. Thug. Street. Hood. Rich. Entrepreneur. Attack on authority. That was the link, that was the meme that accelerated that genre of rap. Disregard for authority, criticism of authority but now introducing an interconnectedness with economic prosperity.

"Now, I'm making bacon
Still saying assallam alakum"

That is Garvey as I see it.
This dude Fiddy is not that at all.

"Our president is doing the best he can." Yuck!
Criticizing Kanye for his remarks against Bush. Yuck!
With that move, Fiddy has admittedly accepted social responsibility. He's like Cosby, got nothing to say on his own sh!t, while he got every one's attention, but got plenty to say in favor of the elite.

I just don't understand how he's in it with Biggie & Wayne. 50 seems to me like a posing Will Smith.

(Side note: Why was young, black, well groomed, Hollywood conformist Will Smith mega-popularized up until Obama's presidency? Was there a construction of palatable black imagery? Before Obama's presidency, I was wondering why the first time on the movie screen, why this mediocre young black actor was included in so many 'savior' story lines. Race and imagery is very much apart of film and does not become filtered so abruptly. After Obama's presidency I didn't see him any longer, as if he served a purpose. Movies are imagery. Perhaps no relation, but there is something about those back to back blockbusters he was temporarily selected for.)

Katt Williams. I would like to see Wayne move in that direction. Are you interested in Katt? Do you think when he started speaking about "haters" and identifying the meat industry/government as "the ones hate'n," that's when this campaign was launched to dismiss him as another "running crazy through the streets Martin?"

The process of defining slanguage.
Identifying a spiritual core of these terms owned by people who struggle. That was Ali contextualizing the derogatory term nigger not being used by the Vietnamese, but by who we are asked to fight for. Haters are much more than petty envious ex-high school classmates or niggus that always see me roll up in the most gorgeous girl on the block apartment. It's those that own that school and the block it sits on.

Tyson got is tats in prison. He redefined the function of the inoperative "cell block" tat from just a product of "sale on blocks." Huey did not disregard the thug image. He embraced the thug image. He told Bobby that on TV they will call us hoodlums and criminals, but that he wanted black folks to look at him and say, that IS a HOODLUM. That power to expand the definitions we use for ourselves.

You do it DV. You make abstinence from government certified foods thug/political. Katt Williams I believe did that very same thing. I don't even expect 50 to be intelligent enough to grasp that concept. Wayne has the potential to do it.

The image you see, their audience don't read that. Why I believe this? Because they went out to vote for Obama to counterpoise the feeling of powerlessness with Wayne on their ipod while standing inline. You may read one thing while the masses only understand surface denotations.

Denmark Vesey said...

"Before Obama's presidency, I was wondering why the first time on the movie screen, why this mediocre young black actor was included in so many 'savior' story lines. Race and imagery is very much apart of film and does not become filtered so abruptly." GC


genius

Thordaddy said...

The drawback from looking at rap from an artistic framework IS THAT THE FRAMEWORK is highly fluid. "Art" is now little more than perpetual self-creation. These private schoolers gone thug wild or these thugs going mainstream doing dumb daddy films is evidence of this self-creation. These cats MAKE MONEY by being nothing in particular BUT still seem real as hell BECAUSE they're living exclusively in the NOW.

These entertainers and sport stars ARE LARGELY PUPPETS embodying the radically autonomous lifestyle.

They GET PAID TO BE the meme.

What's the meme???

Mass white self-annihilation/ black "supremacy."

Picked, plucked, cultured n crunked...

We call it entertainment and pay a big fee.

HotmfWax said...

Thordaddy is the Truth!!!!!!

Come on Fellas.

Get out of fantasy land.

These boys are not creating culture.

They are being created.

They are not even writing 50% of this stuff.


Ask Rock and Roll.

They cried when they found out they were created in a Laboratory.


The songs remain the same.

For the last time......

The elites don't leave culture to chance,

they create it.


learn about:




Tavistock Institute and
Culture Creation

Tavistock Institute
Culture Creation

Tavistock Institute
Culture Creation

Tavistock Institute
Culture Creation

Was Hip Hop created by undesirable forces ? huh!?

2 turntables and a microphone?

-jeeez

Thordaddy said...

N advanced liberal society
We have the "default elite..."

Run the street,
Like momma's teet,
The grapevine deep...

They put us to sleep,
Right afta they let us skeet skeet,
We n uh dream of fleshy pink...
But these females goin' too wayward
N the joint startin' to stink...
We on the brink!!!
Gotta deconstruct these elite,
Y we still gotta uh chance to think...
We beat'm with TRUTH

BE WE MUST GET THEM IN THE RING!!!

They fortified,
We autonomized,
Like uh chain without the link...

That's how they stay...

the "default elite..."

Denmark Vesey said...

"Heard muhfuggas sayin'
they made Hov ...
make Hov say,
well make another Hov."

Jigga

The Doc said...

"Negros can't be saved.

Everybody aint going to make it.

Political Meme?"

I'm paraphrasing here, DV, because when you said that it immediately came to mind. There was this CO on an MTV scared straight special. He practically snarled at the camera as he said something like this, "I mean, what am I supposed to do, some 18 year old boy, been in jail since 16, now he got a 16 year old girl and she's pregnant with his child. Both of them got no prospects, no future. What am I supposed to say? *insert plastic smile here* 'Good luck, I hope it all works out for ya!' NAW IT AIN'T GON' ALL WORK OUT FOR YA! You wanna know what I hope? You know what I hope? *through gritted teeth* I hope they don't become my GOTDAM NEIGHBORS, that's what I hope."

The Doc said...

"One thing I can say about Cube is that he still got some back stock for you to go to. He can look as Walt Disney as he want to, but he still got Americas Most and Death Certificate on the shelf. No matter how whack his now music is. "

Cube once said, he never burned Hollywood down like he always said in his songs, but he burned his way through Hollywood in such a way that now, he can pretty much write his own ticket. If he wants a movie made now, it gets made. I can't knock the man's hustle for that; not a lot of brothas can say the same.

Thordaddy said...

Thing about ice cube is when he was young at least he had the benefit of being young and ignorant. He was selling a vision more desperate than his outlook. Thing is, he wasn't buying his own outlook, just selling it to some wayward black. He sold the break between cause and effect and never understood THAT HE HELPED MAKE the mean streets with its mean memes.

Now he works for a co-opted Disney that is at the forefront in the deconstruction, emasculation and transformation of Man into new male. And it is quite "bizarre" given his NWA start. "Niggaz with Attitude" takes on a whole new homosexual slant... Easy... E... We know you butt up.

Anonymous said...

wax

They cannot create it, but they can buy it. To have a Wayne, there has to be a burning desire, a love for the art. I read something were the Beatles were created. The start of mind control through music. I doubt that theory. You don't create talent with money. Desire and passion is the largest part of the art making process.

In an interview Jet Li rejected people calling him talented. He was saying that he worked hard to get to his station. Many times he wanted to give up, he cried, but the encouragement of his couch & family supported him when he gave up. Eventually he made it because of his persistence.

To have a Wayne, Wayne has to have it in his heart. Tyson quite because he gave up along time ago, in his heart. Even though he continued to have fans that were awaiting his comeback, the old Tyson, Iron Mike. Despite millions awaiting him, Iron Mike never returned, because the passion had long since dissolved.

I do believe you have scouts, just like in sports. We recruit you to the winning team. If they are innately working for the winning team, leave well enough alone. If they are showing signs of consciousness and they are a great influence, by out their conscious. If they reject, Tupac'em. Tupac had a relationship with H. Rap before he died. Jimi Hendrix had contact with Black Panthers before his death. John Lennon gave financial support to Panthers before his death.

Nation says that Elijah Muhammad made Malcolm. You can't make Malcolm or Muhammad Ali. There hasn't been another Malcolm or Ali yet in the Nation.

No, these people are genuine self made constructions from life experiences. The issue is if they can be bought or not. Dave Chappelle couldn't be, but is content with what he has, otherwise he would've allowed his conscious to be purchased.

Anonymous said...

Thordaddy, I believe Cube sincerely believed in what he was spit'n at the time. If you check his interviews when he was with NWA, you could tell that HE REALLY HATED COPS. He made every interview political. That was an angry Negro. It became obvious that he was the driving force behind the NWA anti-establishment attitude.

He hooked up with Chuck D obviously because of his growing passion to express consciousness through his work. The atmosphere also allowed it. Remember, this is a moment in history when black youth are on the world stage since the Black Panthers. They did not have any representation in media, the older black community joined the media bandwagon in blaming the youth for society's degeneracy. They were fighting hard for air time. Being demonized yet still pushing. So this is not about having some vision, these artists were reacting to the American juggernaut. David vs. Goliath. Keep in mind, these are the CHILDREN of activists out of the 50's & 60's. So there is no denial that there is still some values yet present. Only these youth are like, where the eff is all that progress we had coming.

Cube is that, not some anomaly with a unique vision. Chuck D didn't start off with the intention to rap, but he always swore if he was in Run DMC's position when news reporters would ask incendiary questions, that he would give them a mouth full. Chuck D did not start on a political tip, he was reacting to the bullsh!t media.

The media has embraced the rapper todday. They love the rapper. You don't see preachers steamrolling over rap albums today, like what was done to Snoop. You don't see major networks demonizing the genre. Because Honeytcomb cereal wants to use it every Saturday morning for kids. It has proven to be the quickest narrative that's as long as a 60's commercial spot. It has proven to market items without having to pay a dime. It does the work for you.

You don't have to sponsor these dudes to make self-destructive lyrics, they are programed. Nothing to resist against anymore. No one trying to hide the voice. They don't tell you the selection process of who makes it is by their standards.

Thordaddy said...

Self-creation and self-annihillation are the two sides of the same radically autonomous coin. Both sides seem like the real thing, but one's an illusion and the other is death.

Yeah, these cats are "creating," but they aren't tellling us who they really are. Their "art" may seem a reflection of themselves, but NOW there is another reflection. Self-creation BECOMES THE ART. The ability to morph is the art. The ability to redefine is the art. Art is now anti-art. If you think you can see it then "art" has to change. If you think you get it then "art" has to change. If you think you've grasped it then "art" has to change...

Thordaddy said...

Gee-chee,

But the underlying theme is clear as day. Liberation from white supremacy. NWA made cops the embodiment of white supremacy and quite predictably railed against them. And it is the predictability of it all that stands as the refutation to an underlying desire for freedom.

Take the mean out the street and the cops off the beat...

ice cube WAS THE MEME...

He became exactly WHAT HIS MUSIC REQUIRED...

And now he is exactly what Disney requires...

Deconstructed, emasculated and reconstructed...

At base is a radical autonomist.

Denmark Vesey said...

Nah

Nah

Nahhhhhhh

Gee.

Um. Um.

Don't see it like that all Pawtner.

I reject the Hip Hop Messiah narrative which measures the value of rap artists by the authenticity of the artist's desire to lead black people to the Promised Land.

Artists don't tell people what they "need" to hear.

Preachers do that.

Artists don't tell people what they want to hear.

Politicians do that.

Artists interpret the needs and feelings of people, reconfigure them and present them in a manner which helps people understand themselves.

Big. Fid. Jigga. Lil Wayne. Geniuses at it.

Powerless, Plantation Negros & Plantation Crackas surf the empowered swag of cats who paint pictures of self actualized ... "autonomy". (Fist tap TD)

Biggie's and Fiddy's liberal use of the gun metaphor is no different than Mario Puzo's and Francis Coppola's use of the gangster metaphor to humanize the epic saga of a family of Italian immigrants.

Calling Curtis Jackson "fake" for his role as 50 Cent, makes as much sense as calling Al Pacino "fake" for his role as Michael Corleone.

These cats use words to paint pictures.

Their Narratives work while most Negro narratives fail ... not because of 'record industry' patronage ... but because they bring a level of insight, style, intelligence, rhythm and soul to the table like no other.

I'll put what Wayne and Fiddy are writing today up against what Ralph Ellison and James Baldwin were writing any day of the week.

Anonymous said...

"I reject the Hip Hop Messiah narrative which measures the value of rap artists by the authenticity of the artist's desire to lead black people to the Promised Land.

Artists don't tell people what they "need" to hear.

Preachers do that."-DV

I read over my post again...

I'm confused, what part are you referring to?

HotmfWax said...

"Heard muhfuggas sayin'
they made Hov ...
make Hov say,
well make another Hov."

Jigga

Come on Bra! :)

Smiling with this Nigga Killa.

Which one of you brother ain't going tell me Bra is not a freemason?

Anonymous said...

I didn't say Cube was preaching. I said the atmosphere allowed it. That was a time when Khalid Muhammad and Farrakhan were on Donahue. Cube was on Oprah. Sistah Souljah was used as leverage by Bill Clinton to show he may be Democrat but he ain't taken sh!t from no rap niggers. The conversation was blazing hot. That was the landscape. If you didn't mention "Africa","something with the word black in it," "wheels of steel", or the Feds, cops, Reagan, Bush, or Daryl Gates, then you weren't capturing the landscape. That wasn't preaching then, it was the conversation. Today it would be preaching because the conversation is about shiny things.

HotmfWax said...

@Gee
"wax

They cannot create it, but they can buy it. To have a Wayne, there has to be a burning desire, a love for the art. I read something were the Beatles were created. The start of mind control through music. I doubt that theory. "

Interview with Griff from PE-


Griff - You gotta understand something, the main reason they wanted to do this, is because young whites were paying attention to black rap artists.

Caller - Oh yeah.

Griff - It wasn`t a thing to have Led Zepplin and The Beatles, John Lennon and some other people, Elvis, up on young white, Johnny and Susie and Ashley`s walls. But no, when Public Enemy was a group that Ashley and Johnny started paying attention to in white suburban America, ohh it became a problem. N.W.A, Ghetto Boys, Ice T, Ice Cube, it became a problem, it became a very, very serious problem, and they said in the book that the aim of the "12 Atonal System", designed jointly by British Intelligence operatives at Tavistock, they were going to "devise a system of music that could program a mass music culture, capable of eroding the morals of it`s listeners".

Caller - Yeah, and there you have present day rap.

Griff - Exactly.

Caller - It`s toxic.

Griff - All the way out of Tavistock Intitute in Britain. Now we gotta understand here who has (unintelligible), you see how far and deep it goes? I did some futher research in a book called"The First Millenium Edition of the American Directory of Certified Uncle Tom`s", on page 236 it talks about how, erm, black people had control of Hip Hop, but when young white business men came in and started to set up subsiduary companies because their parents and uncles and relatives owned the distribution companies, they began to Niggarize rap music. They wanted to promote the Niggarisation of rap music, so it became popular for N.W.A (Niggas With Attitude) to call black people "Niggas" and "bitches" and "hoes" and get away with it. They set up N.W.A to neutralise Public Enemy. But in order to be up in that $20 million to $50 million club, getting to the Jay Z thing, Tupac and Biggie had to be taken out of here in order that Jah Rule, DMX and Jay Z to step up in the place that they are in, right now.

Caller - I always felt that P Diddy had, erm, and I still feel it, like, that Biggie was his sacrifice. I`m so convinced that this man had more to do with it, like, you know what I`m saying?

Griff - No, I know exactly what you`re saying. All the evidence points to the fact that he had something to do with it. Puffy wasn`t no real rapper or nothing like that, but as soon as Biggie was off the scene, he came out with his album.

Caller - Yeah.

Griff - And now he`s up into the $300, $400, $500 million dollar club.

HotmfWax said...

cont-
Griff - But it was Damon Dash, it was Suge Knight, Irv Gotti and Jay Prince that got together in a private meeting, wanting to put together a distribution company to distribute rap music. Jay Z, as I`m told, Jay Z was the one that was called in by the "Hidden Hand", by the Illuminati, and they gave him a $40,000 a night room at the (unintelligible) that he spent the weekend with Denzil Washington and some other people sipping $20,000 bottles of Crystal, him and Beyonce. By the time he came off of that trip the split between him and Damon Dash, began. All 4 of those brother I mentioned had to do a blood sacrifice, they had to sacrifice someone, if they wanted to take the oath and be up in the $20 to $100 million club. And they did. Damon Dash sacrificed Alieyah, because that`s who he was engaged to, Suge Knight was itting right next to Tupac when Tupac got taken outta here, Irv Gotti, him and his brother got put up on a public trial for racketeering charges and fraud, Ashantii was supposed to be their sacrifice but she got out of it, and then last but not least, Jay Prince the owner of Rap A Lot records out of Texas, he was overheard and known to want to ink a deal with Pimp C. Pimp C at that time was on the air blasting homosexuals that are in rap music, and in the music industry. And they found Pimp C, in a hotel, dead...

Griff - We can`t put anything past these people. You see Kanye West, his initiation into the Illuminati, he wrote the song, or did the music for the song for Jay Z"Lucifer, Son of the Morning", that was his initiation into the Illuminati. Now Kanye West is in, and Kanye West`s Mom ended up on a slab, dying. That was his blood sacrifice."

Thordaddy said...

Gee-chee,

But cube played the part THAT HELPED MAKE the atmosphere. He wasn't just effect, but cause, too...

Just like now... But his cause has progressed while his effect remains to be seen. Following-up on the Tim Allen/Robin Williams genre is almost to absurd to contemplate.

Cube has passion, but where is it moving cats? The best we can say is that he KEPT IT real. The worst we can say is that HE MAKES IT real.

His work for Disney can't be pawned off on the "atmosphere" when you a "Nigga with Attitude."

Anonymous said...

^^

I feel it Wax. I think I read your post to say these dudes where groomed for the takeover. I understand the concept of switching out pieces from the board. This is the most powerful form of communication around the world. It's America's Weapon X. I think the realization kicked in with Michael Jackson. If you can have the children of racists Arabs (of Najd descent) break dancing with white gloves on, I can only imagine the light bulb that appeared over the head of the manufacturers of propaganda.

HotmfWax said...

Good Starter Kit.

The Industry Exposed.

HotmfWax said...

@DV,

"The successful rapper imposes his memetic will to satisfy his self interest.
Get Money.
Everything else is talk.
You want raise consciousness?
Get Money & Raise consciousness."

Yea Bra, all a part of the Tavistock meme- be careful with this....

The Century of the self

-the plan follows Bernays , Freud, psycho babble into the Frankfurt school.

"We must shift America from a needs- to a desires-culture. People must be trained to desire, to want new things, even before the old have been entirely consumed. [...] Man's desires must overshadow his needs."

To many in both politics and business, the triumph of the self is the ultimate expression of democracy, where power has finally moved to the people. Certainly the people may feel they are in charge, but are they really?

The Century of the Self was about the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests?

Basically, the Frankfurt School believed that as long as an individual had the belief - or even the hope of belief - that his divine gift of reason could solve the problems facing society, then that society would never reach the state of hopelessness and alienation that they considered necessary to provoke revolution. Their task, therefore, was as swiftly as possible to undermine that possibility.

To do this they called for the most negative destructive criticism possible of every sphere of life which would be designed to de-stabilize society and bring down what they saw as the ‘oppressive’ order. Their policies, they hoped, would spread like a virus—‘continuing the work of the Western Marxists by other means’ as one of their members noted.To further the advance of their ‘quiet’ cultural revolution - but giving us no ideas about their plans for the future - the School recommended (among other things):


1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family


One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud’s idea of ‘pansexualism’ - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women.

To further their aims they would:

• attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and take away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

Do you find it strange and suspicious about rap music that almost every famous rapper from Jay-Z to Notorious B.I.G to Tupac to Lil' Wayne are all linked by an absent father but all have gone on to fame and fortune....could be an off shoot of Project Monarch..it is strange how rap music promotes all the moraly wrong things in life and these rappers are worshipped....

• abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
• abolish all forms of male dominance - hence the presence of women in the armed forces
• declare women to be an ‘oppressed class’ and men as ‘oppressors’
· merging or reversing the sexes or sex roles;
· abolishing the family as we know it’

Munzenberg summed up the Frankfurt School’s long-term operation thus:
‘We will make the West so corrupt that it stinks.'

HotmfWax said...

cont-

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. ‘Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness’.
They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

Creating an identity that says , "i love me"- good thing.
Creating an identity that says- fuck them other niggas(can't be saved). Get money(more than you can ever need)- nothing new Frankfurt School/Tavistock.-NWO Culture creation machine.

HotmfWax said...

@Gee-Chee

" I read something were the Beatles were created. The start of mind control through music. I doubt that theory."

I got too much love for you to leave you hanging-

The Satanic Roots of Rock

Under the the strict guidance of EMI's recording director George Martin, and Brian Epstein, the Beatles were scrubbed, washed, and their hair styled into the Beatles cut. EMI's Martin created the Beatles in his recording studio.

Lockwood and EMI

EMI, led by aristocrat Sir Joseph Lockwood, stands for Electrical and Mechanical Instruments, and is one of Britain's largest producers of military electronics. Martin was director of EMI's subsidiary, Parlophone. By the mid-sixties EMI, now called Thorn EMI, created a music divison which had grown to 74,321 employees and had annual sales of $3.19 billion.

" EMI was also a key member of Britain's military intelligence establishment." (i.e connected to Tavistock)

< http://educate-yourself.org/cn/colemanbeatlesandAquarianConspiracy01mar07.shtml >
The Beatles and the Aquarian Conspiracy

The 12-atonal system consisted of heavy, repetitive sounds, taken from the music of the cult of Dionysus and the Baal priesthood by Theo Adorno and given a "modern" flavor by this special friend of the Queen of England and hence the Committee of 300.

Tavistock and its Stanford Research Center created trigger words which then came into general usage around "rock music" and its fans. Trigger words created a distinct new break-away largely young population group which was persuaded by social engineering and conditioning to believe that the Beatles really were their favorite group. All trigger words devised in the context of "rock music" were designed for mass control of the new targeted group, the youth of America.

The Beatles did a perfect job, or perhaps it would be more correct to say that Tavistock and Stanford did a perfect job, the Beatles merely reacting like trained robots "with a little help from their friends"--code words for using drugs and making it "cool."

The Beatles became a highly visible "new type"-- more Tavistock jargon--and as such it was not long before the group made new styles (fads in clothing, hairstyles and language usage) which upset the older generation, as was intended. This was part of the"fragmentation-maladaptation" process worked out by Willis Harmon and his team of social scientists and genetic engineering tinkerers and put into action.
Tavistock connection is The Aquarian Conspiracy - LSD push

< http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341573.shtml >

It Was Twenty Years Ago Today,"...That Crowley Drugged World Away: CIA psyops of 1960s-
author: webweaver

HotmfWax said...

final-

Tavistock brought the Beatles to the United States ... an integral part of "THE CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN," URH (489)-2150-Policy Research Report No. 4/4/74. Policy Report pre-pared by SRI Center for the study of Social Policy, Director, Professor Willis Harmon.

Lysergic acid, "LSD," so conveniently provided for them by the Swiss pharmaceutical company, SANDOZ, following the discovery by one of its chemists, Albert Hoffman, how to make synthetic ergotamine, a powerful mind-altering drug. The project was financed through one of their banks, S. C. Warburg, and the drug was carried to America by the philosopher, Aldous Huxley.

The new "wonder drug" was promptly distributed in "sample" size packages, handed out free of charge on college campuses across the United States and at "rock" concerts, which became the leading vehicle for proliferating the use of drugs.

The book: Beatles, Rock'n'Roll & Mind Control," by Ben Gunn, 1999;
< http://www.illuminati-news.com/rock_and_mc.htm >

Without massive media hype, and without almost around the clock coverage, the hippie-beatnik rock, drug cult would never have gotten off the ground; it would have remained a localized oddity. The Beatles, with their twanging guitars, silly expressions, drug language and weird clothes, would not have amounted to a hill of beans. Instead, because the Beatles were given saturation coverage by the media, the United States has suffered one cultural shock after another.

The men buried in the think tanks and research institutions, whose names and faces are still not known to but a few people, made sure that the press played its part. Conversely, the media's important role in not exposing the power behind the future cultural shocks made certain that the source of the crisis was never identified. Thus was our society driven mad through psychological shocks and stress. "Driven mad" is taken from Tavistock's training manual. From its modest beginnings in 1921, Tavistock was ready in 1966 to launch a major irreversible cultural revolution in America, which has not yet ended. The Aquarian Conspiracy is part of it.

< http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/rock-and-mc.htm >
Beatles, Rock'n'Roll & Mind Control
by Wes Penre, February 28, 1999

The Beatles were made "Members of the British Empire" by Queen Elizabeth II of England in the 60's. The Queen is one of the highest Illuminati members on this planet. If the Beatles were so "rebellious" and against the system as John Lennon always said they were, how come the Queen accepted them? Quite recently Paul McCartney was knighted as well. Elton John is another example of a number of artists and actors who have been knighted. The ONLY ones being knighted by the Queen of England are those who have served the Illuminati Agenda well. Things are not what they seem to be. We have been severely tampered with and extremely deceived.

Of course Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones has been knighted too.

makheru bradley said...

Can Old School Rap? A 62-year-old kicks ever body's butt on youtube.

Pants on the ground
Pants on the ground
Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground

With the gold in your mouth
Hat turned sideways
Pants hit the ground
Call yourself a cool cat
Lookin' like a fool
Walkin' downtown with your pants on the ground

Get it up, hey!
Get your pants off the ground
Lookin' like a fool
Walkin' talkin' with your pants on the ground.

Get it up, hey!
Get your pants off the ground
Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground

http://news.about-knowledge.com/pants-on-the-ground-youtube/

Thordaddy said...

When your fundamental belief is atheistic quantum evolutionary theory THEN THERE IS A SCRIPT TO FOLLOW.

When you believe something came from nothing and that something is NOW then you accept the idea of a definitive and therefore measurable material configuration that is NOW. The material components of the NOW are so infintesimally small that it seems to be ALWAYS NOW. There is no division or schism in the NOW. The NOW is the "absolute truth" and thus the backdrop in which evolution plays out NOW. The evolutionary "thinker" recognizes the ability of an intelligent designer to manipulate the definitive material configuration NOW. He also recognizes that the potential reconfigurations are near infinite. He thinks something comes from nothing and has it in his mind that he is a self-creator. In this he sees the ability to alter absolute truth and have the NOW he wants.