Tuesday, April 06, 2010

Satan Worshipping Freemasonic Megalomaniac or Self-Hating Secret Mulatto?

22 comments:

Unknown said...

Bof'

Denmark Vesey said...

If J. Edgar Hoover is a "mulatto", who isn't?

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Naw you don't know anything about his history. He was mixed and had ancestry out of Mississippi; slave relations in fact. You cannot minimize his heritage as a motivation for his behavior.

As to whether or not he was a freeMason...he likely was. But FreeMasons are not satan worshippers. I don't know where you get off saying that.

FreeMasons saved my Grandpa James life in the early 1950's, as he was a freeMason.

Stop lying.

Denmark Vesey said...

Yeah M.

And a "self-hating mulatto" saved my uncle Lamont in 1976.

You have much to learn about Freemasonry.

You have much to learn about Denmark Vesey.

I don't lie. I free Plantation Negros with the truth.

Anonymous said...

If J. Edgar Hoover is a "mulatto", who isn't? hilarious!!

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

My Grandpa James is a FreeMason and an ordained minister. He is not a satan worshipper at all; being one would go against everything he did in his life through the Christian ministry.

Sure, there are some Freemasons that are misanthropic but this occurs in any organization.

My Grandpa ain't a devil worhshipper nor a closet homosexual. Because when you attack the FreeMasons that is what you are doing.

I don't think you are aware of their history. There is also a distinction between Black and white FreeMasons. Grandpa James is Black.

Unknown said...

Got alot to say... won't say it...

Big Man said...

Actually, from what I've read, DV is on target with the Free Masons.

Cats who used to be a part of the organization have reported some disturbing practices, particularly as you rise higher in the group.

MR, just because your Grandpa was a good man doesn't mean he wasn't caught up in a bad group. Lots of folks who are low on the totem pole have no idea what those higher up in the organization are trying to do. It happens all the time.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Big Man show some references that show the organization is evil. Just because some people do bad things doesn't make an organization evil. the UNIA showed us that...As to the Masons, y'all need to look up the BLACK FreeMasons and all that they've done to help Black America...

Big Man said...

MR

I just did a Google search on Masons and evil. Turned up the same sort of stuff I stumbled across years ago.

If the stuff you read doesn't give you pause, then so be it. I'm suspicious of ALL secret societies and organizations.

As for Black Free Masons, black folks created their own groups because white folks wouldn't let them in theirs. Just like frats and sorors.

Just because some folks do good, doesn't make an organizations positive.
Just because some folks do bad, doesn't make an organizations negative.

My thoughts on Masonry are based on the oaths they require people to swear and the things they focus their attention on. The fact that there are good men who are Masons is not surprising. Why would it be?

But, that has nothing to do with the aims of the organization.

Most folks only get to the surface level of groups they are involved in. Why would the Masons be any different?

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Sure Big Man what you are saying is applicable to any organization. And since I am not a Mason I don't know what they are doing. I can only speak to what I know that they've done in the past. A lot of men from my Grandfathers generation that were successful are Masons and also Frat brothers. My Grandpa James is also an Alpha brother.

Yes, the Black Free Masons came about because the white ones didn't accept them into their organization. My belief is that the aims of the Black masons were/are quite different than the aims of the general Masons; at least this was true some time ago.

You can read a lot online but when it comes to topics like this, I see more conspiracy theory sites than anything else.

Sometimes I question the veracity of some of these claims.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Can you point to a legitimate site that highlights the evils of freemasonry?

KonWomyn said...

Mahndisa,

It needs to be said that throughout history there have been different Masonic movements. In the Bible there are reference to Kings Solomon and David belonging to a Masonic order, the Knights Templar.

Haile Selassie I was also a mason but HE was NOT a member of the Killuminati. This point always gets confused among conversations with Rastas because people tend to associate Masons with the present-day secret societies.

Maybe some, Black Masonic movements in the US are possibly different and have little connection with the Killumnati which Big Man and DV refer to. Here's an article and an early book that looks at the history of Black Masons in the U.S.

I'm not Stanning for the Plantation, I think its always important to differentiate and not whitewash ALL Masons, regardless of historic or geographic location or even cultural practice, with the same brush.

Concerning J Edgar Hoover and his mixed heritage, Makheru gave some good reasons as to why Hoover's secret mixed lineage had been found out. There never would have been a Hoover the Crossdresser, the Freemason, Fed Cracker or whatever you might wanna call him.

Therefore, IMO pitting one versus the other is a looking at things from the wrong angle. Constructing such a binary is due to not knowing or a failure to appreciate the historical context to both of which I'd suggest going back to read MB's comment.

KonWomyn said...

Typo:
Concerning J Edgar Hoover and his mixed heritage, Makheru gave some good reasons as to why Hoover's secret mixed lineage had been found out.

It should read:
Concerning J Edgar Hoover and his mixed heritage, Makheru gave some good reasons as to why Hoover's secret mixed lineage could not be found out.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

OK KW, your take is reasonable as always. Have you read the book you linked to?

KonWomyn said...

Thank you Mahndisa. I've read parts of it like the early history of Masonic movements and the Chapt on Prince Hall - but never finished the book. Some of it is informative, bec its written at an early period, but for that same reason some of the claims are a bit 1xtra like Prince Hall being superhuman and some of its written in an almost laudatory fashion abt White folks.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

OIC, KW I will check it out. BTW do you check your email from the profile page? I sent you a note but am not sure you got it.

Big Man said...

KW

I read the Wiki link, I didn't see the portion about Solomon and David.

What's the reference on that?

KonWomyn said...

Manhdisa

I just checked it now, thanks! Writing back now.

Big Man
Check the Grimshaw book I linked and also checkout some of the work by Joanna Brooks all of whom suggest that the King Solomon's Temple was built by the Knights Templar and that's where their HQ was - however JS Ward has a book called Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods (on Google Books) that suggests several middle Eastern Masonic groups claimed to have built the Temple. I've only looked thru the Ward book now but it looks interesting because it gives a historic account on the diff movements across the globe.

I've got a deadline so won't be playing with y'all tonight, so later y'alls.

uglyblackjohn said...

Weren't the original Masons just an engineer's guild?

Many from my family are PH Masons or Eastern Stars, BGLO's, Knights of Peter Claver, etc.
But I'm not a joiner, so effum all.

Plane Ideas said...

Hoover got in the way of cultural evolution of America but now he is a dead mulatto mason not revelant nor interesting...A footprint to step on..

Anonymous said...

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