Stern, focused on the part of Sunday's show when the camera cut to the five actresses up for the Oscar, including Sidibe, whom he referred to as "the most enormous, fat black chick I’ve ever seen.""You feel bad because everyone pretends that she’s part of show business and she’s never going to be in another movie," Stern added. "What movie is she going to be in? ‘Blind Side 2,’ she could be the football player.”
Howard accused Oprah Winfrey, who introduced Sidibe at the Oscars when the best actress nominees were announced, of lying to Sidibe. “When we look at you,” Winfrey told the 26-year-old from the Oscars stage, “we see a true, American Cinderella who’s on the threshold of a brilliant new career.”
Stern disagreed. “She told an enormous woman the size of a planet that she’s going to have a career,” he said during his broadcast. “Oprah should’ve said, ‘you need to get help, we don’t want to lose you.’ "
For Stern, Sidibe’s size is not just a problem for her career, but her health as well.
“You just want to say to her, listen, honey, now that you’ve got a little money in the bank go get yourself thin, because you’re going to die in three years,” he said.
Intellectual Insurgent said...
Intellectual Insurgent said...Bitter and hateful? Please.
Just amazed by the double standards employed by those who use vitriol in their comments to others on a daily basis and then pretend to be Jesus when they read a comment about a fat chick.
Get a grip. Really.
I am accustomed to the juvenile chastising from you Mahndisa, who routinely calls DMG and CNu and whomever else assholes and similar mature terms when they offend your fragile sensibilities.
But what surprises me is the MD for whom nothing is about race who made this about race. We weren't talking about Black women. We were talking about FAT women. That you conflate the two says much about you, not me.
Let's be real here.
So, if this little piglet was a crackhead who won an Oscar for playing...a crackhead...would you sycophants be standing and applauding her as "obviously talented"?
No.
If she were a crackhead, would you be offended by the suggestion that she is disgusting?
No.
If she were a crackhead, would you be offended by the suggestion that she would be found dead with a crackpipe in her mouth.
No.
But because you feel some warm fuzzy about a fat person in your life, you don't have the guts to describe her substance abuse - which is what it is to be so fat that you look like you are a balloon ready to pop - in the terms that you would use for a crackhead.
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Dag, took Howard Stern of all people to keep it really real. The sad part is you got people that would have said what Oprah said...then behing the girl's back say what Howard said. How is that even helpin'?
The fact that this disgusting heifer won the award for portraying a molested child is the real story. Too much like all the hype with Brokeback Mountain.
It seems, that to win an Oscar these days, you have to star in a Holocaust film, portray (i.e. normalize) a homo or child having sex.
As far as threshhold of her career, that's laughable. She'll be found dead in her hotel room in a year with a chicken wing in her hand.
Whoa! Sheeeit some of y'all got out the wrong side of the bed. II anyone can tell that perhaps she ought to lose weight for her health. However, from what I gather, she is a talented actress (and I will not see the movie) and an articulate woman. Disgusting is a really strong word and reeks of negativity and superficial judgments on your part.
Then again, the world wouldn't be so diverse if we all agreed on everything.
I guess since you are health conscious, her image might affect you on a deeper level...But disgusting heifer?!!! Damn!
II,
"It seems, that to win an Oscar these days, you have to star in a Holocaust film, portray (i.e. normalize) a homo or child having sex."
You are on it man.
Denzel for a crazy evil psychopath in Training Day.
Hali for doing it Doggy style with her husband's killer.
Monique for an abusive mother who let her husband finger a 3 year old.
All those roles and movies sucked and if it had white stars in them we would not even care to give them critical acclaim. Why do we want their approval so bad that we praise those movies? Precious was just as corrupt and sick as Brokeback! Just because it had Oprah, Tyler Perry production and some good looking lesbo chicks to look at:) ; we are supposed to go ohh and Ahhh!
That movie is just as unwatchable as Sidebe.
That is why I did not want to watch the movie. But it still doesn't justify talking shit about this woman who is trying to be a good entertainer and who didn't do none of us any wrong!
OK, yeah the girl is fat, actually morbidly obese, and her health is at risk. Actually I think she's ridiculously fat for her age, and whomever allowed her to get that big has as severely neglected her as much as a grossly underweight kid.
But to describe HER as disgusting and "dead with a chicken wing" is just out of line. I don't know why you think you are entitled to pass judgement on the girl. Do you routinely walk up to big black women and tell them they are disgusting to their face? I think you would not only get checked in about half a second, but you'd probably get knocked the FUCK OUT! (...don't think so? Try it tomorrow morning).
The girl got put up for an award (whether you think it "plantation" or otherwise) just about her first time out. She's obviously talented. I hope she gets her weight under control. Hollywood is suffering from rail thin women who obsess over losing more and more weight. I hope she doesn't end up going to the other extreme...like this one.
disgusting heifer
She'll be found dead in her hotel room in a year with a chicken wing in her hand.
Only the most vile and contemptible person could utter such words at another human. And you, Denmark Vesey, are a shame to your parents, wife, and children. You advocate for the rights of an unborn fetus but pile abuse on a human directly facing you. You say God don't make no mistakes but daily skewer God's creations if they wear anything greater than size 12 dress.
My deceased father was fat. He had more honor than you. At nearly seventy-one years old my mother is fat. She is far more intelligent and courageous than Dina.
As far as careers go Sidibe is younger than you and has surpassed anything you have ever done professionally. After all, you write and talk about her and not the other way around.
You know Jesus wasn't very original. Reciprocity and a sense of duty is common to all societies and functional organizations. That's the principle alluded to by the saying "honor among thieves." What made Jesus of Nazareth exceptional was what he said about the despised and outcast.
For most of human history people thought of the sick and poor the way you think of the obese. Disease and poverty were outward manifestations of spiritual and moral laxity. What Jesus said that was really inspired and exceptional was that God was actually closer to these people. It was a radical message to say that a leper and a pauper would get to heaven before a devout and prosperous man. Also radical was God in service of man rather than the other way around. That's the whole thing about the Sabbath being made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
Is Sidibe a person?
I'm often repulsed by big fat women (a long story) which is why I'll help any of them lose weight or become more healthy.
The girl seems happy with herself, maybe she has a thyriod problem - IDK
The woman I can't stand is Big Mo'.
Big Mo' lies to other big girls and says that "Big is sexy" - but then she goes on a diet for health reasons.
Big Mo' should have said, "Look Bigguns, we are slowly killing ourselves and we need to do something about it.".
Instead, she hates on Halle Berry.
You are confused Submariner.
I didn't say a damn thing to Sidibe.
I didn't say a damn thing about Sidibe.
I didn't make that comment.
I posted a video and an article from CNN.
I can't help but notice you directed your scorn towards me and not towards the Jewish Howard Stern, who actually made these comments to millions of people on his radio show.
The clip on YouTube has been viewed over 1/2 million times in 5 or 6 days.
I have no problem with your deceased father. I did not insult him.
I have a problem with that which may have killed him.
Suckering Plantation Negros into perceiving Fat as yet another Group Identity scam is a Hegelian Head Fake mixed with Eugenics Psycho-babble.
The young lady was not honored for her talent. She was mocked as a circus sideshow.
Playing an abused obese girl was not a stretch. The Academy is an organization as Jewish as the NAACP is black. (Well, actually that's Jewish too)
I don't consider receiving an Academy Award nomination for the role much of an "achievement".
It strikes me as just another meme.
It too was mockery.
As evidenced by the comments of Howard Stern and his black female cohost.
We discuss things on this blog people are conditioned to avoid elsewhere.
I invite people to say what they think and feel without the constraints of institutional conformity.
Were I to ever have the good fortune to meet Ms. Gabourey Sidibe I would congratulate her on her performance and introduce her to the dangers of eating cloned factory meat and to the wonders of raw coconut oil.
I would find honor in encouraging her to empower herself with good eating habits as opposed to placating her with self-serving words of praise for her "nomination", prescription drugs or liposuction.
Howard Stern is an idiot and trying to underplay the girl's talent and ability to go further in her career is stupid. She already has 2 upcoming roles.
She needs to lose weight for her own health. Her being fat does nothing to me so I don't feel the need to get indignant or insulting about it. Hopefully she will do what she has to do to better and prolong her own life for herself. Fuck the industry and what ignorant people on the internet say because clearly public opinion hasn't limited how far she has gone thus far and probably won't be able to do it in the future.
Surprised she didn't win a Nobel Prize too for being Black, female & obese..
@ DV,
"Playing an abused obese girl was not a stretch. The Academy is an organization as Jewish as the NAACP is black. (Well, actually that's Jewish too) "
Sho U Right!
Whether it is The EGO(Emmy, Grammy or Oscars) or the NAACP, every thing we accept by them usually come with a little hair on it. Jewish run and controlled.
Brother did not bring the NAACP into it's existence.
Most of us have no idea that the National Association for Colored People was founded by three white folks(two WASPS and a Jew) and that it was led and mostly funded until well into the 1990's by Jews and whites. It is understandable that after a hundred years some degree of historical Alzheimers may appear in the memory of the organization-as it does on the NAACP web-site-but perhaps it is time to remember the truth about how it all happened.
Several prominent Jews, including America's leading Reform rabbi, Stephen Wise, Joel Spingarn, a professor at Columbia, became the NAACP's chairman in 1914 and served off and on in that role until his death in 1939. His brother, Arthur Spingarn, headed the NAACP's legal struggle; he drew upon the expertise of Jewish legal scholar Felix Frankfurter.
The two Jewish brothers, Arthur and Joel Spingarn, an attorney and an academic, were among the most important leaders from the beginnings of the NAACP. They joined the organization in 1910 and remained actively involved for the rest of their lives, recruiting for its Board such Jewish leaders as the philanthropists Jacob Schiff(The Rotchilds Family) and Julius Rosenwald and Rabbi Stephen Wise. Contributions began to flow in. Jews also wrote most of the checks that bankrolled the fights of Martin Luther King and his Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC); of SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee; and the Freedom Rides of James Farmer and CORE (the Congress of Racial Equality). The one Negro they co-opted on the Board was Dr. W.E.B. DuBois in order for them to have credibility.
Damm, the NAACP's first black president was not elected until 1975, the first black Board chairman in 1935.
Joel Spingarn was a fiery speaker whose eloquence moved many audiences. At one rally he spoke the words, later to be immortalized by Martin Luther King, Jr., "I have a dream..." -damm.... he wrote the speech? His dream was of "a unified Negro population..."
When war broke out, Joel Spingarn joined the army as an intelligence officer and began to campaign for officers' training facilities for Negroes. Integrated camps were out of the question, but despite concerted objections and bureaucratic stalling, Spingarn managed to win over the Secretary of War and a training camp for Negro officers was established.How nice. The era of the original leadership of liberal philanthropic WASPs and Jews came to an end as members of the old guard retired or passed away. Whites continued to serve on the national Board, but the executive positions devolved to Negro lawyers, a group that had hardly existed when the NAACP began its work. They took over direction of the legal efforts to secure the rights of citizenship to American blacks, and funding from now on was supplied mainly by the membership. With the hands on all the funding especially from the Rothchild bankstas, everything coming out of the group was scripted. It is still so to this day.
You are being manipulated.
Suckering Plantation Negros into perceiving Fat as yet another Group Identity scam is a Hegelian Head Fake mixed with Eugenics Psycho-babble.
wow!
I'm often repulsed by big fat women (a long story) which is why I'll help any of them lose weight or become more healthy.
Dang! Now I think I know why all these chubby chicks were attracted to me since 8th grade.
But nothing against them, except for the fact that they are a BIG 'NO NO' for me from the beginning. Just like I know some friends that are not attracted to skinny-beach girls.
Same thing if they would smoke. NO NO!
Is that discriminatory? Or just a matter of 'taste'?
But, maybe I should've done something more to encourage them to be healthier.
But, what more can I do when some respond by telling me: "That is a 'dietary choice'"
Wow! SB broke it down. DV I see what you are saying but if you recall a few days ago you posted a pic of this gal and asked if she should be a role model. Conversation went to her weight and the plantation diet meme. In truth nothing very nice was said about her on that thread. Any fool can see that morbid obesity is a bad thing, but what is interesting is when someone shines so brightly that their talent surpasses their obvious issues.
C'mon DV, it is okay to show compassion. She and others like her on the so called plantation diet might be convinced to go a more healthful route if dialog could be more constructive.
Asking whether or not a person should be a role model based upon physical appearance is a bit superficial, although your point was duly noted...
I feel you M.
But understand that my point has very little to do with this young, 26 year old woman, personally.
I am challenging our collective prejudices.
Were Curtis Jackson to win an award you better believe the Negro Talk radio shows and church pulpits would have tons of comments about his worthiness as a role model.
When Jay-Z attended the inauguration with his wife, that Joyner cat on the radio, said Beyonce should be ashamed to be married to him and that he was unfit to be a role model because of his past.
Look at the comments of the Plantation MD nearly clapping his hands in glee when Dwayne Carter was sentenced to prison for what is essentially a victimless crime.
We make judgments about people based upon their physical appearance all the time.
A man with Gold & Diamond Teeth in his mouth is going to garner certain comments about his worthiness as a role model.
Understandably so.
Should a 400 pound 26 year old woman be exempt, simply because she is amiable, congenial, nonthreatening and ultimately pitiful?
What is a greater threat to our young children Thuggishness or Obesity?
Her weight and size are ALARMING.
Jaw Dropping Red Alert.
The underlying message in all of these fake little "nominations" and national accolades is "it's OK to be this fat. You can STILL live your dreams".
Bullshit.
Is it NOT OK.
Compassion for this young girl is not smiling and clapping our hands because of this dark movie about molestation.
Compassion is relating to her as if we expect something different.
Maybe this was written by you during a dissociative fugue state.
Get real.
Gabby won't live to see Lil Kim's age.
I find it beyond noteworthy that people here who are beyond vile in their comments to others, who consistently behave with no honor and otherwise talk an unbelievable amount of shit all of a sudden get self-righteous and find Jesus when there is commentary on a fat chick.
GTFOOH on that one hypocrites. You need to get a grip. Really.
"My Dad was fat", blah, blah, blah. This ain't about you Sub. Go tell your therapist about it.
Talkin' about honor. Please tell me what honor is there in desecrating your temple like it is a toxic waste dump?
Pfff...
II,
Don't be bitter because you were called out. Be better.
Anyway, you had that shit coming. I don't say anything here that I wouldn't say to someones face, that's the difference between your comments and mine. Because I'm certain, that if you said that to a larger black woman, she'd stomp a mudhole in your ass. I'm sure you agree.
"Look at the comments of the Plantation MD nearly clapping his hands in glee when Dwayne Carter was sentenced to prison for what is essentially a victimless crime."
Clapping in glee? No negro, you obviously missed it. I could care less about Dwayne Carter...just as I could care less about any star who doesn't have has game locked down. He got careless, stupid and worst of all caught.
If the man wants to tattoo his face...that's his business.
If he wants to carry a gun, that's his business.
If he wants to get high...that's HIS business.
If he gets caught...guess what, also HIS business.
Why should I get upset if he's stupid? Political prisoner my ass...GTFOH with that shit. You aren't fooling anyone except those who want to be fooled.
Whoa! II, why are you so hateful? Usually, posters here talk about people's behaviors as a basis for the shit talking. But not only did you call this gal out for her weight, you added insult to injury by calling her a disgusting heifer and then you prophesied that she'd be dead in a year. So much for constructive criticism eh?
If you want to talk about a disgusting heifer, why not direct your vitriol towards women who do disgusting things like the people on the board at NARAL? Or people that murder and or torture children? Those types of people are really disgusting, but some fat gal with good acting talent doesn't equate to the negativity you've thrown her way.
And since Submariner commented about his personal experience, he was sharing how he's affected by this issue. One thing you have to understand is that a lot of us DO feel like we are our brother's keepers and that we are family. Given your individualistic anti communatarian diatribes in the past, you may not get it.
But when you insult an innocent Black woman like that who never did shit to you, you need to understand the consequences of your rhetoric. I do find what you said personally insulting to my sister and woman with whom I can identify.
DMG was honest. You know you won't go up to any fat chick- Black or White and say that to them. As to Submariner, nothing about his post was selfish at all; he was sharing his feelings. Nothing wrong with that.
The truth is that this blog highlights differing life philosophies. As much as I disagree with CNU, when he gets on folks for not coming up with ACTIONABLE solutions he is right.
DV, have you sent this gal a fan letter with some dietary recommendations? Given that you are into health and fitness, why not? What about you II? You once sent me an email about drinking smoothies in the morning time to control appetite and weight and I listened to the IMMENSELY helpful suggestion you gave. My husband and family loves smoothies. So if you come at a person with positive and constructive solutions, they are more apt to listen.
Bitter and hateful? Please.
Just amazed by the double standards employed by those who use vitriol in their comments to others on a daily basis and then pretend to be Jesus when they read a comment about a fat chick.
Get a grip. Really.
I am accustomed to the juvenile chastising from you Mahndisa, who routinely calls DMG and CNu and whomever else assholes and similar mature terms when they offend your fragile sensibilities.
But what surprises me is the MD for whom nothing is about race who made this about race. We weren't talking about Black women. We were talking about FAT women. That you conflate the two says much about you, not me.
Let's be real here.
So, if this little piglet was a crackhead who won an Oscar for playing...a crackhead...would you sycophants be standing and applauding her as "obviously talented"?
No.
If she were a crackhead, would you be offended by the suggestion that she is disgusting?
No.
If she were a crackhead, would you be offended by the suggestion that she would be found dead with a crackpipe in her mouth.
No.
But because you feel some warm fuzzy about a fat person in your life, you don't have the guts to describe her substance abuse - which is what it is to be so fat that you look like you are a balloon ready to pop - in the terms that you would use for a crackhead.
Thanks Mahndisa. And you II are a remorseless bully. Too bad for your kid.
Yes II, I have people in my family who are crackheads and recovering crackheads. I have never once described any drug abuser as 'disgusting'. I have cried over their irresponsibility, I have cried over their uncontrollable urges to self destruct, much as I have lamented my own failings in this regard. NOBODY is perfect. One person has an addiction to food, the other to shopping, the other to health food eating to the extreme. We all have issues to overcome in this life.
To label a person 'disgusting' for their own shortcomings is a myopic way of looking at the world. It does not allow for self improvement. It does allow for those to sit back and deconstruct a person, finding little holes in everything they are and do. It does allow for the development of very sick people who will never be happy with themselves.
You can talk about double standards but that really allows you to escape responsibility for the hatefulness you spewed towards this gal who never did anything to you but be fat and successful.
Everybody here has acknowledged that she ought to reduce for her health; nobody has called you out for that at all! What you got called out for is the hateful spirit with which you commented about her in the first place!
Again, what are you going to do to help her? Again, your suggestion to me about smoothies was very helpful. What do you suggest for her?
It's cool SB, we all have crosses to bear...And yes II, I don't deny that I've behaved badly sometimes. To be honest at times, I find myself laughing writing this shit, and at other times I am more serious. But I totally agree that calling people assholes was wrong of me.
Now, I've admitted to my failings. What about you? I suspect you won't acknowledge anything about your failings because I've come to realize that you think you are perfect. If you can never admit to your shortcomings you will never be able to grow as a person.
And in all fairness, I would like to apologize to all of you for times when I've acted an ass.
Brother Sub.
I don't think II is being any more of a bully than you are being passive aggressive.
I actually think II is moving a conversation through a very uncomfortable stage, that people rarely address.
Are her comments biting?
Yes.
Are biting comments unique to II?
No.
What makes her comments biting is that they are directed towards a group of people we have been conditioned to pity and look the other way.
She makes an EXCELLENT point by referring to the substance abuse at the heart of what will ultimately take the life of this young woman.
In the grand scheme of things, II is expressing more love towards her than either you or Mahndisa who want to play the meme game that "Fat" is an identity ... deserving of protection ... as opposed to a behavior that kills people.
I'm a bully now? Ha!! Now that's just laughable. Comedy Gold.
What am I doing to help her?
Dropping the b.s. pretenses that none of this is her fault, that being hideously fat is ok and is something to be applauded.
What am I doint to help her?
Not patronizing her with pity.
Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
This woman does not just need to "reduce her weight". Just like a crackhead doesn't just need to give up crack and, voila, all is right. Any person who hates themselves so much that they would treat their bodies like a toxic waste dump day in and day out has such severe spiritual decay that no smoothie recipe in fan mail will fix.
But again, back to the point I was making, your P.C. filters by which you justify your sudden conversion to Jesus needs to be adjusted.
That I have smokers in my family, does not remove the subject of the nastiness of smoking from the discussion. If someone puts up a photo of a smoker with that nasty hole in the throat, shall I respond that I am so offended that someone suggested that smoking is disgusting, and I have family members who can't control themselves, boo hoo? Grow up kids.
If you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, it's best you go take up knitting.
Yep II as is your want, you send out more insults, avoid answering questions posed to you and then say that if someone cannot handle the conversation they ought to leave. *Yawn*. This is predictable.
DV you are misinterpreting what I've said. Neither Sub nor I said that FAT is an identity at all. Everybody's acknowledged that morbid obesity is bad for health. That is certainly not the same as making a character indictment on someone because of their weight, as you did tacitly a few days ago and as II does now.
Everybody has issues. And II if you have smokers in your family, hopefully you've talked to them about it and asked them not to smoke around you and your child if not for their health then for yours. Right? That is what you do when you have people in a family that do things with which you disagree. Or you can always ban them from your home, which sometimes works too.
I answered your questions about crackheads. Because I don't label them as disgusting, nor have I ever, you move onto the next subject and toss out insults. Get real. You can do a lot better by applying analysis to the situation.
Succinctly:
1.You said something hateful.
2.You got called out because of it.
3.That's it.
4.You ought to send her a note with some healthful eating suggestions. Otherwise really you are just talking mess!
Goodness Mahndisa, I said nothing hateful and I most certainly did not get called out on it. Rather, I had to suffer the pathetic and hypocritical double standards of people who sling a whole lot more shit than I on a given day and then pretend to be Jesus when someone else does it.
That's it.
The only people who got called out today are the patronizing racist hypocrites who probably wouldn't have even put on this phony show of Mary Poppins indignance if there were a photo of a fat White chick at the top of this post.
Jamie Foxx did a pretty good impersonation of Mo'nique if y'watched the movie you'll get it.
@II,
"The only people who got called out today are the patronizing racist hypocrites who probably wouldn't have even put on this phony show of Mary Poppins indignance if there were a photo of a fat White chick at the top of this post."
This ain't my fight, but your statement above is right on. I think I said the same thing yesterday when I talked about the value of the movie. Second, I have read much worse on this site directed at "specific individuals", so the PC comments has me a little concern. I did not take your comments against Sidibe as "personal" and I also have fat relatives and did not experience the outrage. Last week DMG's comments were much more alarming on abortion and the unborn.
I think that the fact that she is still a kid might be driving some of the anger but that is still just a guess.
What is amazing however, is the defense of Sidibie at the expense of so many of the Plantation execution plan that is currently going on while we speak. The anger at Sidibie (emotions and fears that must be addressed) could be used in a better format to stop the mass culling. The anger says a lot about us in a deep "rescue/victim " drama kind of way. 30000 black babies killed from 20 days ago did not even register a blip of anger vs. a "celebrity " young lady that was being hit at (good or bad) . There is something deeper here that a lot of people have identified with and owned.
In conclusion, I admire your courage and have no uneasiness into looking into why this topic makes everyone so pissy. I truly know that you are not vile and mean spirit and/or cruel human and just thought that you ought to know.
This isn't about you calling out a fat Black chick II. No it is about your mean spirit. Who is racist?
Saying that someone is dangerously out of shape and is in need of help is a lot different then calling her a disgusting heifer.
HW, I don't think that anybody would say that the girl isn't endangering her health. But calling someone a disgusting heifer is pretty rude to someone that never did anything.
My father who I loved was fat. I estimate he was 300+lbs and he died from cancer when I was 16 years old.
He was an honorable man who always wore a suit and tie. Got his cleaned and starched shirts delivered to him in boxes from the Chinese laundry right there on Eastern Parkway. He had a preference for cowboy boots sported an afro with thick sideburns and huge pinky ring. Drove a blue Buick, Skylark I think, with white leather interior and was a regular church attender who debated theology with the rabbi who lived in the next apartment. Dad named my brother and me after obscure passages in the Bible.
I miss him dearly and I reject the notion that he was disgusting or less worthy of adulation and respect. You see I was raised in the tradition of the Beatitudes. In this tradition one identifies with the object of scorn, ridicule, and suffering. It's how I practice medicine and approach the current subject.
The first twenty years of my life were spent in Sunday school, midnight church services on New Year's Eve, and midweek prayer groups. Even my pursuit of career in medicine was an emulation of my favorite evangelist Luke.
My turn away from formal religion and fundamentalist teaching came because of deepening study in biblical exegesis and the inability of religious authorities to confront tensions and contradictions in the Bible and deal honestly with antecedents of Christ in pagan traditions. The final break was the current embrace of the prosperity Gospel and mega-churches. For me the soundness of my decision is affirmed when I read DV say that you calling Ms. Sidibe a "disgusting hieffer" shows more love for her than me defending her personhood.
Simply because I'm fairly agnostic and don't subscribe to myth does not deny that my moral and ethical outlook is firmly rooted in the social Gospel.
Your dissociative disorder is more glaring now then ever before II. If you don't think calling someone a disgusting heifer is mean spirited, then you done lost your mind.
Race? I didn't make anything about race. Sidibe is a fat black woman. And I don't think you would go out of your way to call a fat black woman like her a disgusting heifer to her face. Don't get it twisted.
Just say you were wrong, and move on. Don't make it worse. I'm consistent in my insults. Internet, telephone, videoconference, face to face. Doesn't matter.
Submariner, your statements were heartfelt. But I think the fogue states are pretty apparent here, coupled to a sense of grandiosity where people cannot acknowledge their mistakes. Seriously.
You practice medicine from a social gospel perspective like you actually want to help people and that is admirable. You understand that helping a person to grow and better themselves will not occur if the person is vilified for their failings. Thanks for your sensitivity. Sometimes I wonder if I live in twilight zone posting here.
Sub,
Peniel Joseph is your brother? Wow. You must have fantastic conversations around the holidays. Didn't realize you were Haitian. My (step)father is from Petit Guave. I understand about losing a father at a young age.
You were fortunate to have learned from him for 16 years.
Word up Mahndisa. And for the record, I hated the movie Precious. In my estimation it ranks right beside Birth of A Nation in its negative caricature of black folks. And I thought Ishmael Reed's critique in the Guardian was accurate and incisive.
Just listened to the Jamie Foxx parody and didn't interpret it as humor but biting wit and skillfully applied scorn for an undeserving award. I really wish this post had been about the movie and its merits or lack thereof. Instead it seemed as if DV and II would have been OK with the Oscar nod and attention if Sidibe were Megan Good.
"I reject the notion that he was disgusting or less worthy of adulation and respect." Sub
I reject it too.
I reject the notion that YOUR FATHER who sounds like one hell of a man was disgusting or that HE was less worthy of adulation or respect.
I support the notion that cancer is disgusting.
I support the notion that obesity is disgusting.
I support the notion that anorexia is disgusting.
I support the notion that diabetes is disgusting.
I don't think FAT is who your father WAS.
FAT is no more a group identity than is CANCER.
Describing Ms. Sidibe as merely "fat" is like describing the US Debt as "troubling".
The US Government is bankrupt.
Discussing the extreme obesity of Ms. Sidibe could save a few lives.
Maybe 20 years from now a man can refer to his honorable father ... who is STILL HERE ... because this issue was addressed as a problem instead of a chance to play victim politics.
Well Sub, you, me and HW seem to agree on the reason why the movie is tantamount to 'poverty porn'. I understand that peoples' stories need to be told but there is so much imbalance in the depiction of us, as you aptly noted. Nobody in my immediate family will see that movie nor seems to have a desire to do so. I DID watch some clips from it and the acting was phenomenal. Then again the acting in Oedepus Rex was also phenomenal but it certainly isn't something I'd rush to see in the theatre or anything!
DV suggestion, why don't you post a healthy recipe once a week from your wife's kitchen? I promise you that recipes with good pictures motivate people to change their eating habits.
Pa blye, DMG, c'est neg nou ye. Here's a story about my grammar school.
DV, I hear that. Fine we can label her morbidly obese. And nothing would please me more than to tax refined sugars like tobacco and alcohol. But to be called PC or a hypocrite because I take umbrage at calling someone a disgusting heifer because she is obese? Like I said the role would not be more appealing if she were svelte.
Submariner,
"Disgusting heifer" may be biting and offensive, but it most definitely characterizes a deadly situation. "Morbidly obese" on the other hand is more fluffy BUT EQUALLY OFFENSIVE because it sugar coats the DEADLY situation at hand. This girl could literally die at any moment due to her excessive weight.
And then there is the exploitation WHICH IS COLLABORATIVE that sells this DEADLINESS and downplays its severity. Did your father sell his obesity in this manner? I doubt it and so it is wrong for you to mix your personal experience with the larger cultural implications of selling DEADLY LIFESTYLES as normal and mainstream. Making celebrity of it with notions of 400 pound Hollywood "starlets" is bordering on the absurd. This, I believe, is the "disgusting heifer." A perverse collaboration of exploitation and desperation that ultimately serves as a benign culling.
If you are suggesting an interpretation of the position of obesity in the Bible it is associated with drunkards.
In the country folks associated obesity with wealthy folk. That's because historically poverty has been associated with hunger, not well fed people.
Mahndisa,
Your hypocrisy and bipolar disorder was fully exposed when you happily co-signed IWAW's calling someone a "dumb nigga" about 20 seconds after giving me some juvenile lecture about talking "mess".
The contrast is actually quite telling.
"Disgusting heifer" - hateful.
"Dumb nigga" - "I agree with you IWAW". He is probably gay too".
Your hypocrisy speaks for itself.
Hey II, that guys ACTIONS made the comment fair game. YOU have chosen to insult the fat chick simply for being. There is a difference. But you are right; I shouldn't be calling people outside of their names. My bad.
And yourself? As to calling me bipolar that is pretty lame. If you review the content of your posts you might be identified as an orthorexic with dissociative disorder. But I haven't said you are afflicted with those things because I don't know for sure. You might try to stop speculating about my mental health as well.
Your mean spirit and hatefulness speak for themselves.
One last story before I step off. In my capacity as an ER physician I routinely see people at their worst moments and they openly confide in me. A patient of mine, a 29 year old woman who looked nearer to sixty, died last year. She was a frequent flyer in and out of my ER each week for several years. She had AIDS and kidney failure and was so rude and threatening to staff that no outpatient dialysis center in the entire city would treat her so she had to come to the ER three times a week for dialysis treatment. Because of noncompliance issues she was not prescribed HIV antiviral agents.
She was once found passed out in the emergency department bathroom with a crack pipe in her hand. She routinely presented intoxicated. And of course she was always asking for narcotic pain medicine as her high came down and she went into withdrawal. I always dreaded when my turn came up to see her. But just once I had a conversation with her. Turns out she'd been repeatedly raped since she was eight years old. Now she was an adult dealing with the consequences of a number of poor decisions and habits acquired over the years.
After I heard that it was hard to be as judgmental as I was. I didn't become her friend or advocate. I didn't look forward to seeing her. But I didn't resent her either.
I think every one has searing experiences which make them who they are. For me there are two. One was being a kid waiting what felt like the entire day at Brooklyn Union Gas Company as my mom applied for home heating assistance just to be denied later and told that her gross income was I think a hundred dollars over the limit. We spent a week or so without heat and warming pots of water on an electric hot plate to wash up. Another enduring memory is standing with my mom on an 1199 picket line on Madison Avenue as her union went on strike against Mount Sinai Hospital.
I tend to identify with the outsider. Poor, gay, fat, Muslim, whatever I imagine myself (or now that I'm a dad, my daughter) in that extremity and rationalize what would I want for justice. So something like waterboarding strikes me as abhorrent because I could picture what it would be like to be tortured. Or if Sidibe were my daughter I think how would I react if I read the passages above. Now I know that is not how most self-professed Christians feel. They believe in submission to immutable laws. That's why I'm an apostate.
Now if DV or II actually worked with the morbidly obese or whatever label Thordaddy prefers then they would have credibility with me. But they don't. Call me a Plantation MD or Negro MD or sell-out, soft, sucker, bleeding heart, politically correct, passive aggressive or whatever you want. But I'm in the ring nearly everyday. I'm actually talking to mothers about their overweight kids and telling them not to by soda and soft drinks or if they absolutely must then make it Diet Dr. Pepper or Sprite Zero or V-8 Fusion Light. I'm telling guys to make and pack their lunch to work the night before rather than order out and to start with 12 minute walks three times a week and build up in 3 minute increments each week to reach a goal of 30 minutes. I literally tell them that they will end up in a nursing home by the age of 40. I don't tell them that they are are disgusting heifers defiling God's temple. That's just not helpful. If you have personal experience showing otherwise I'd like to hear it.
When all the silly charges of hypocrisy and reactionary digital slapping are over and done with; Submariner is truth.
If an alcoholic told me alcohol was poison or a crackhead told me crack is wack would I reject the message because an addict told me? No.
So why is hypocrisy a legitimate defense against a very basic principle of humanity: to treat another person as a human being. The point is not who told you but what was said; all of the DV.net collective has twisted life values but truth is truth.
Sure, sometimes I cringe a little when I see a morbidly obese person and I feel like crossing the street when I see a drunk; and that could be said to be repulsion of some sort. That's why to an extent the later response II made (posted up by DV) makes sense to me, but not as licence to call an obese person or a drunk disgusting but as faya for me; its chastisement.
You all are missing one very important thing.
No
One
"Called"
Gabe Sidibe
Anything.
Gabe Sidibe
Is Not On This Blog.
Over the past year 2 Billion people experienced an image of Gabe Sidibe at some point or another.
1.99 billion people were struck by her extreme obesity.
Some people express it as ... "Oh ... well isn't it wonderful that even a morbidly obese person can be nominated for an Oscar" (self-serving intellectual look-at-me masturbation)
Some people are extremely turned off by the site of that kind of fat... and did not bother to disguise their disgust or camouflage it as "concern".
I contend these two expressions are essentially the same thing.
The Goody2Shoers are breaking their arms in their eagerness to pat themselves on the back for essentially NOT SAYING what they also thought.
This effort to limit the discourse to a Cpt. Save A Ho narrative is lame.
LOL! I think that sista's been called alotta things and not called called alotta things as well on this blog.
Nah there's two types of people, past the faux praise for the fat Black Girl:
"Some people are extremely turned off by the site of that kind of fat..."
i. do not bother to disguise their disgust or camouflage it as "concern"
ii. wonder whether its right to feel digusted when the feeling registers as such.
BAM!!!
KW is truth.
Accept no substitutes...,
KW,
I have no intention of seeing the movie Precious or reading the book Push. Not interested in that story. Also I don't know this girl. I don't find her physically attractive. I think she appears physically unhealthy. But I don't know if she's a disgusting human being or if she's the most loving person on this planet. I do know that I won't make a judgement about her based soley on her personal appearance. Maybe some people are able to separate the person from the corporeal being.
On the other hand, I would have NO problem if II commented on a video of her acting like a spoiled brat and throwing tantrums, etc., as this would be commenting on her behavior rather than body habitus.
Maybe II works for Disney. She calls this obese woman "disgusting". This seems to be similar logic that Disney cartoonists use. All the evil people are physically ugly, or otherwise repulsive. Good guys have blue eyes and little noses, bad guys have long "hooked" semitic noses, dark eyes, etc. You see the theme.
Or perhaps II would like us to stick to the theme of judging the content of a persons character by their physical appearance and begin to refer to her from now on as an evil terrorist who will be found in a hotel room blown up with C4 residue on her hands within a years time?
Not as comical as chicken grease, but uses the same twisted "logic".
Which would you prefer II? Character or physical appearance?
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