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Giving death rate statistics and showing autopsy photos does the trick sometimes. Quality of life issues that arise from chronic obesity should also be highlighted. This story got to me and coupled to having a child, me and my husband really have made a serious effort to change our eating habits. But casting stones at people who are clearly out of control with their eating habits does nothing but put them on the defensive and cause them pain.
M.
With all do respect.
That is your interpretation of what I am saying.
If you don't mind, I'd ask that my argument not to be limited to your interpretation.
Maybe I am struggling to express myself, but what I hope to highlight is the acute disconnect between that which we worry about, and that which really threatens us.
We are incarcerating millions of Americans for distributing "illegal" drugs while prescription drugs kill twice as many people.
We are giving away more and more of our rights in exchange for police protection while we slowly poison ourselves with a diet DESIGNED to make us obese ... JUST AS the diet fed the animals is designed to make them obese.
This is not about any particular fat person, any more than dismantling the HIV Hypothesis is about any particular person with AIDS.
Ms. Sidibe is AN ALARM
OBESITY IS OUR NORM Mahndisa.
We need some MILLION MAN MARCH sense of urgency around this camp.
Please do not allow your personal discomfort to interfere with our collective well being.
Ms. Sidibe is not a bad person.
She has been poisoned.
And doesn't even know it.
If she and millions like her get insulted in the process of realizing that.
It is a small price to pay.
I'm confused, I wasn't suggesting what you believe at all. You asked what could be done to get people to realize that the so called plantation diet was poisoning them and same for obesity. My comment went to answer that question. Did you even see the youtube clip about the half ton teen? Shock value is what gets people to think twice about what they are doing, lest they end up weighing that much and becoming invalids.
This is not my interpretation of what you said, more or less a statement of some techniques that might get the message across. That was all. You are acting stoned.
If you really want to talk about someone who is disgusting, see this woman. She is actually TRYING to become the fattest woman in the world. I don't know who is paying for her food, but no matter what that is disgusting. Her behavior is abhorrent because it is endangering her life and she is not passing on good ethics to her children. She is promoting greed and excess as a fucking personal goal! She has serious mental illness and represents everything wrong with our society. Truly; she is wearing it.
The stop smoking campaign worked because it created shame. And made shame a culturally acceptable tool to be used against the smoker.
Non-smokers were convinced that smokers were a threat to their health, second hand smoke was killing some fictional number of people each year and, thus, it became socially acceptable to make snide comments to smokers, legally ban them from restaurants and bars in the name of health and socially ban them if you didn't want them in your home. And you can do all these things and remain P.C. (read: herd approval) in the process.
Let's contrast that with our recent exchange on substance abuse of another kind - food.
In contrast to smoking, obesity is considered a disability. Thus, to say anything about it is to engage in disability discrimination.
Once the dreaded word of "discrimination" is firmly in the minds of integrity-challenged Americans, shame is not an acceptable tool to use against fatties. Only excuses.
The same people who want to tax sugar and fats to modify behavior are the same people why cry that eating "healthy" is too expensive. With all those taxes, eating poorly will cost just as much and nothing will have been accomplished.
We are dealing with addiction, i.e. spiritual decay, whether we are talking about smokers or heifers. Treating them differently only makes the problem worse.
The more I think about this, the critical factor for the shame weapon to work is successful sale of the meme that the offending behavior is a threat to others. Without that foundation, the woman with a hole in the throat is the "morbidly obese" person - someone to be pitied.
That's why the anti-smoking campaign won't work to stop obesity. It will be a hard sell to convince people that someone else's gluttony is a threat to their own health. Without that sale, you can't use shame as a weapon.
Notice Big Pharma and the MD establishment's attempt to use that tactic against non-vaccinators. They say that non-vaccinators are a threat to others, they are the ones keeping "dreaded" diseases in circulation and that it is the kindness of the masses (i.e. herd mentality) that allows such threats to not be so bad...for now.
Watch as the vaccine campaign unfolds in the same way the anti-smoking campaign went down.
1. Deem them a threat.
2. Legally ban them from public gatherings (schools will be the first place).
3. Make it socially acceptable to shame them, ridicule them and ban them from informal gatherings.
This will happen to the unvaccinated before it happens to the piglets of America.
The reason why you were called out II might have to do with a differing interpretation of shame and guilt. You really seem to believe in shaming others as a motivation for behavioral changes and this might be consistent with your cultural heritage or religious preferences. There has been work done on shame based versus guilt based cultures and we have traditionally lived in a guilt based culture. Westerners believe that most Arab and Muslim countries employ shame based collective psyche.
Maybe that is the crux of the discussion.To you, perhaps shame is a culturally acceptable way to bring attention to serious issues a person may have.And people tend to be humiliated when they are shamed, ergo your biting comments about disgusting heifers and piglets.
Is the origin of the conflict purely a cultural one?
Mahndisa,
interestingly enough - DeeVee's "spiritual" guru, LaRooshian David Livingstone professes an exoteric variant of Islam, as well.
^^ yup.
And he professes the strange belief that a 4 year old is a person.
And he professes that piercing a child's skull in the 3rd trimester is an act of evil.
And he eats a diet that doesn't make him grow titties.
He's The Muhfuggah Mannnnn
If the conflict is a cultural one, then it is based on cultural precedent set right here in the Good Ol U.S. of A. Shame is what shifted smoking from a cool, vogue thing to do, a product advertised in medical journals and defended with zeal by the medical profession, to a habit that is widely and socially ridiculed, mocked and segregated.
That the campaign was so successful speaks for itself.
thanks DeeVee.
That's what I'll call him from now on "mr. muhfuggah man".
"Shame is what shifted smoking from a cool, vogue thing to do, a product advertised in medical journals and defended with zeal by the medical profession, to a habit that is widely and socially ridiculed, mocked and segregated."
Maybe in LA where people look down upon smokers (I went there once in my twenties when I was a smoker and was persona non grata at the club)...but where I live in Modesto people smoke as a matter of course.
Smoking is a vice that poor and young people employ. I have seen more young people smoke Newports because it increases their buzz and other types of cigarrettes lately. I am not sure how effective Stan Glantz shame tirade really was after all.
Some of my folks from Kentucky and Georgia still smoke and they look at you funny if you don't smoke out there. I think California and disdain for smoking is not necessarily representative of the whole of our country when it comes to smoking.
Complications of smoking such as COPD and cancer are considered a disability. And your right II. Shame is an effective tool. It's why you can't respond as DV did. "Maybe I am struggling to express myself, but what I hope to highlight is the acute disconnect between that which we worry about, and that which really threatens us." And later "Ms. Sidibe is not a bad person."
You on the other hand persist in asserting that people are in a state of "spiritual decay" and "piglets" and "heifer". This is precisely the technique used by Dick Cheney against your co-religionists. Disrobe your target of their humanity. Sit in your seat and hate. No effort on your part other than to shame them. And attack the people.
My suggestion on taxation is because it is tangible policy that may produce benefits. After all the costs would not be born by you. Maybe incentives beyond social criticism and isolation could be created that would favor healthy foods.
If I thought your way was effective then I would use it in my practice. But I can't. I would likely be physically assaulted by the patient or their family member. Or I'd end up like Dave Chappelle in that skit about keeping it real.
But it seems that for you the only way to deal with this is an outing or public abuse campaign. The anti-smoking campaign was not merely social stigma. It was policy including age requirements, severe tax burden, restrictions on advertising and placement in stores, premiums on insurance, and laws limiting the areas permissible areas to smoke in. Not merely, Oh that's gross.
And let's not forget the most important implement of all. The massive judgments awarded by courts against tobacco companies and making them responsible for hazardous outcomes.
And attack the people.
That should have read "And attack the people who try to assist the victim or seek alternate methods."
Though DeeVee plenty old enough to remember the original anti-smoking ads - you won't find any such artful finesse in his anti-du-jour screeds for the very simple reason that there is an acute disconnect between the various unfortunates he pretends to worry about, and the muhfuggah mens' for-profit disinformation agenda.
If I thought your way was effective then I would use it in my practice. But I can't. I would likely be physically assaulted by the patient or their family member.
I feel ya Sub. You probably experience similar frustration as my Sister, who is a pediatrician, who regales us with endless stories about fat children.
She complains constantly that she has to be P.C. in discussing obesity with the parents, but that the soft touch is hopelessly ineffective in changing behavior. She is convinced that the parents enjoy all the attention they get for having children with medical problems (Munchhausen By Proxy).
And those kids grow up to thrive on having medical problems, continuing it.
Why? Because no one called it out for what it is. One time, she lost her patience with parents who violated a dietary order on their hospitalized kid and went off on them. Accused them of trying to kill their kid, and threatened to report them for child abuse if she found another McDonald's wrapper in his room.
It didn't happen again.
A bucket of cold water is often more effective than a thick coating of frosting. I realize that people get stuck on words, but let's get to the reality of the issue.
No one ever quit smoking because someone sat down with them and gave them a boring lecture with pictures of black lungs. They quit because they got sick of being socially ridiculed, not getting sympathy for their illnesses, yelled at by friends and family, etc.
"No one ever quit smoking because someone sat down with them and gave them a boring lecture with pictures of black lungs. They quit because they got sick of being socially ridiculed, not getting sympathy for their illnesses, yelled at by friends and family, etc."
You are waaaaay wrong here II. I quit smoking cigarettes because I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. It exacerbated lung issues that I had and got me sick. My family making fun of me made me smoke even more. Some people do not respond well to negative criticisms. What made me quit was a concern for my health and the fact I had just found out I was pregnant. I wanted my son to be healthy.
Familial shame, peer shame and all that did nothing to help me whatsoever but cause intense feelings of shame, helplessness and depression. In all honesty it was the pictures of the black lungs and the fear of low birth weight babies that actually DID get me to change my behavior.
I think that feelings of guilt and shame are what kept me smoking for as long as I did. Every time someone in my family got on my case about it, I'd leave and chain smoke. This is how some people handle their stress; by turning more self destructive especially in the face of judgmental friends and family.
I hope you can adjust your parenting style so that it is not entirely shame based when your little girl makes a mistake. Otherwise she will have complexes. I am not joking right now either.
"f I thought your way was effective then I would use it in my practice. But I can't. I would likely be physically assaulted by the patient or their family member. Or I'd end up like Dave Chappelle in that skit about keeping it real."
I don't think there is anything wrong with being factually correct and blunt. I've told a patient with chronic unhealthy behaviors (alcohol, drugs, morbid obesity, etc.) that making it to his next birthday would be a stretch if he didn't make some changes. What I didn't do was make a personality judgement.
For smokers I refer to how the cost of smoking isn't limited to the pack a day they smoke, but adds up, or how quitting may potentially improve their sex life.
There's a difference in being direct versus being offensive.
No one ever quit smoking because someone sat down with them and gave them a boring lecture with pictures of black lungs.
Maybe but my mother told me that she quit smoking thirty years ago because my little brother asked her to stop. My mother-in-law stopped a little less than ten years ago because the habit was too expensive to maintain.
She complains constantly that she has to be P.C. in discussing obesity with the parents, but that the soft touch is hopelessly ineffective in changing behavior. She is convinced that the parents enjoy all the attention they get for having children with medical problems (Munchhausen By Proxy).
Tell your sister not to complain too much. As physicians we have a keen sense of duty to treat and it's hard not to criticize when someone's exercise of autonomy gets in our way.
And don't get me wrong. One must be stern at times. Credible threats and coercion are an essential elements in emergency medicine. But calling someone out of their proper name is not the way to get things done no matter how refreshing or good it makes you feel.
Just saw your comment DMG. Right on.
Mahndisa and Sub,
You both make my point that boring lectures and sugar-coating terms do not change behavior. They don't. Both Mahndisa and Sub's mom quit because of their children.
But calling someone out of their proper name is not the way to get things done no matter how refreshing or good it makes you feel.
So I assume that all the commenters on this site will follow this rule in future discussions.
I have no intent to change the way I describe things and do not expect others to change because I might get my feelings hurt. That's the risk we take when we come here.
Oh, and tying into Mahndisa's point, perhaps you should consider that the same logic you used as to how all the bullying didn't make you quit smoking will be equally ineffective in changing the descriptive terms I use.
It is comical that any of you thinks my tactic of being "mean" is horrible, but that you immediately use it against me thinking it would work.
You are what you supposedly abhor.
NO II, don't get it twisted. You are seriously projecting right now. If you look at what YOU wrote, you champion using SHAME as a vehicle to get people to change their behavior. Sub's Mother and me did not change smoking behavior because of shame; we did it for our children.
I told you that I don't respond to name calling as an impetus for change. I would sooner rumble with someone then change if I felt they were demeaning me.
Insulting and shaming people doesn't work. It does, however, make people be more secretive. You talk rough to a nine year old obese child and see her sneaking snacks from the fridge when she thinks everyone is asleep. I've seen this first hand and it is depressing.
Most interesting about this whole set of posts though is that you remain absolutely resolute in your defense of your previous words 'disgusting heifer' and continue to turn the discussion to those who you deem hypocrites.
Interesting, you cannot acknowledge your failings at all but like to point the finger at others for theirs.
I have no intent to change the way I describe things and do not expect others to change because I might get my feelings hurt. That's the risk we take when we come here.
You're a grown woman and can remain obtuse if you wish. But if you or your kid utter the words you use to someone's face then you will get a whole lot more than your feelings hurt. You'll lose friends, family, clients, potential employment, educational opportunities and more.
As Sub said before you are right on DMG! It is fine to be honest; that is what is demanded by your profession. But disgusting heifer is a far cry from saying 'you are dangerously overweight and may not make it to your next birthday without changing your habits.'
" CNu said...
Though DeeVee plenty old enough to remember the ..."
Batty Bwoys wanna spar ...
"mens' for-profit disinformation agenda." CNu
lol ...
Eating cloned genetically modified factory meat causes men to grow titties.
What part of that meme is "disinformation"?
A 4 year old child IS a person.
What part of that meme is "disinformation"?
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