At 186,000 miles a second, light travels a long way in one year. It takes light 50,000 years to cross the galaxy we call M104. It has 800 billion suns and is 28 million light years from Earth.God Don't Make No Mistakes
DMG said...
"God don't make no mistakes"I've realized this was bullshit since I was 5...cause all I had to do was look around. But if you really want to pursue this...
Please explain the anecephalic neonate, the little one born with congenital diaphragmatic hernia and pulmonary hypoplasia, the precious newborn with double outlet right ventricle, or Tetralogy of Falot, imperforate anus...should I continue? I got a whole book of congenital abnormalities.
If your god does exist, he makes an awful lot of mistakes.
Denmark Vesey said ...
What makes you think any of that is a mistake?
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True. As harsh as it sounds sometimes I think babies come to us for a very short time to teach us lessons and almost everyone I've ever met who had a kid that died has come out of it wiser and obviously damaged.
And regarding the concept of God, the cultural aspect is pretty telling. Here, we would want to remove a parasitic twin from a person, but in some places, the whole body with the parasitic twin is revered as a GOD and if you look at depictions of the Indian Gods, they are often depicted with more than four limbs;)
There is a saying some more or some less, "if horses created a god it would look like a horse."
Give me a plausible reason for an anecephalic child...
You can avoid the question all you want and make excuses for the god you made up in your mind.
Everything for a reason my ass.
Give me a plausible reason for an anecephalic child... DMG
It is not God, but man's doing. A woman on epilepsy medication, insulin or who's been exposed to lead or mercury is at higher risk of giving birth to a baby with this specific foetal deformity...Being a doctor, I suppose you know all this, so what are you saying?
At 186,000 miles a second, light travels a long way in one year. It takes light 50,000 years to cross the galaxy we call M104. It has 800 billion suns and is 28 million light years from Earth. -DV
The universe never had to prove it's existence to anyone as a precondition for its existence. Yet the Creator of the universe (of unsolved mysteries of other life) is challenged to validate His own existence.
'An archaeologist discovers an ancient spear head and a human skull. He deduces that some ancient indigenous man fashioned the spear head. Right next to it he deduces that the skull is free of a designer and came into existence on it's own."
(I think) The Death of Satan, How Americans have lost their sense of Evil
Beautiful Gee Chee. Beautiful.
What's remarkable is the arrogant ignorance of the technocrats completely oblivious to the jaw dropping absurdity of their radical empiricism.
without which the pseudo-luddite larooshian ruh-tards wouldn't know jack shit about the speed of light, {or very much else for that matter either}
I asked the Plantation MD why he assumed "congenital diaphragmatic hernia and pulmonary hypoplasia, the precious newborn with double outlet right ventricle, or Tetralogy of Falot, imperforate anus" ... was a mistake?
He attempted to dodge the tsunami of his ignorance with feigned aggressiveness.
Low-level technocrats ... like low-level Freemasons ... really believe they are part of a cult of 'good'.
Only upper echelon cultists are conscious of the quest for apotheosis.
This parrot with a stethoscope pretends to scorn 'God' because he is playing God.
He really believes he is a "healer".
Dude is glorified pharmaceutical sales rep with a title.
Chickenpox?
First thing out of his mouth is a product by Pfizer.
(Satan as C Corporation)
^^ Yeah Yeah CNu
You "know" the speed of light better everybody else.
But you still eat cloned factory meat that gives dudes titties.
Can't be but so smart.
KW,
"A woman on epilepsy medication, insulin or who's been exposed to lead or mercury is at higher risk of giving birth to a baby with this specific foetal deformity...Being a doctor, I suppose you know all this, so what are you saying?"
Being a physician I also know that anencephaly is not a modern disease that showed up when medication for epilepsy or insulin arrived on the market.
You sure you want to debate that with me the causes of neural tube defects?
I'll give you another chance, and pretend I didn't see your last post.
You DO realize that I don't believe that there IS a god to make the mistakes found in congenital anomalies. Right? You cannot prove that your particular flavor of supernatural being is infallible.
Gee-chee,
You've just assumed that your god is this creator of the universe. Yes, you need to prove that your god is anymore legitimate than Odinn, Anubis, Zeus, Shiva, or the rest.
I suppose some of our Muslim readers may even dispute you on this.
Only upper echelon cultists are conscious of the quest for apotheosis.
rotflmbao...,
Larooshifer unselfconsciously parroting his pasty little up-line superiors in the cult of Lyndon H. Larouche is some real comedy gold....,
MOTI,
So, I'm supposed to answer your lame ass question when you dodge every question I've ever asked you?
Maybe you should actually look up the diseases I've listed before opening your mouth. I mean imperforate anus is a gimme. Then again YOU may not realize this...since you constantly shit from your mouth and have no need for a rectum or anus.
You are truly laughable. You've made intellectual cowardice into museum quality art.
DMG,
No debate here, I asked you to 'xplain.
@Gee-Chee,
Nice words Bra. I got it.
But I told you about arguing with psychopaths.
You see, the technocrats(psychopaths) only have only one dogma (Any Rand) . A=A . A THING IS A THING. Only what can be observe can be scientific.
THE EXTERNAL.
Eventually they always get punked by a greater con man"(insert demon name here)" , that will use a Null A Theory, and fuck em with them with the un -observed internal. Understanding and knowing the concepts of "Experience"- vs. "Consciousness" would be something good for them to explore . But since they only know the external-they refuse to look into the abyss of their sub- consciousness and what is the cause of all the vile that they are currently spittin. Their epistemology only needs to identify for them to be right ,therefore they have no respect of anything quantum that I think that you are trying to show them . They are deathly afraid of the internal construct and how it works. Fa real Bra...GC just listen carefully (quiet).....listen to the scorn in their tone at your beliefs , listen to the lack of compassion, love and understanding for any thing greater than themselves, listen to the hatred of all things inward and any conversation about the possibility of a creator. When someone argues that hard and that close minded for the "non belief" of a cause greater than oneself-beware. Fear is behind it. . The technocrats poor "ego" won't stop screaming at the IB self ," I am in Charge!!!", "Do what Dow Wilt!".. "I am God". Plain and simple GC...... Fear, nothing but fear. These boys are really pussies. Put them on the clock( a burning airplane?) and they will be begging to/ and for their maker. Poor babies have no idea what inside the mind looks like, Never examined anything that could lead them into a more spiritual direction. Once they truly realize how wonderful this construct of Consciousness vs. Experience is on earth, What happen when spirit meets matter, What is this thing called life and the concept of eternity , then and only then will their simple limbic brain evolve to understand their secret cravings for LOVE & Light. they'll be ah-right.:)
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What kind of attention-starved, new-age nipple head says;
But I told you about arguing
before dropping 356 words worth of indecipherable, argumentative nonsense?
some muhphuggaz just need to wax sober for a minute or two....,
The "Mistakes" are "Life" itself.
Those diseases are just variations of life.
Only information is perfect - life requires some variation from the program.
Yep,
Sober enough for me to clearly understand the "doomsday scenario that your can't way to bring in" is brought in by these criminals , instead of your" fat ass" lies about over population, lack of resources, and "peak this and that" bullshit meme. Niggers getting robbed and you want to blame it on decent people as greedy and shiftless muggas using up resource (techno "con "man) and then got the nerves to be jumping in on a concept of an internal manifestation of what a creator might be in our minds . Dude you just hate. Nobody can discuss God or life on this site with some witty negative ass comment by ya Bra. You are so talented, but yet choose to give it away in your own array of " indecipherable (Pot calling the kettle black?) Bullshit! " (People being kind too you Bro- not everyone gets what the fuck you are talking about either. )
You, know the rules baby,... In the land of the blind... the one eyed man is king. Keep shitting on any other view points( but your own techno lies).. in the hope of having no one else seeing your deceptions.
I ain't in the dark Bro.
Nobody can discuss God or life on this site with some witty negative ass comment by ya Bra.
what's in your mind is of no more concern to me than what's in the mind of cockroach wax.
wait.
on second thought,
that's not a fair appraisal of the roach.
I actually hold the mental life of the average roach in much higher regard than the hypergraphic nonsense that's been gushing out of you.
You've just assumed that your god is this creator of the universe. -DMG
True. Most of our information is based on trust factors i.e. scientist, prophets, instructors, politicians, revelation, voices in your head.
Yes, you need to prove that your god is anymore legitimate than Odinn, Anubis, Zeus, Shiva, or the rest. -DMG
The statement "If your god does exist, he makes an awful lot of mistakes" is illustrative of anthropomorphic attributes. So that statement is true. So, you are asking, "If" which concept "exists"? The concept of a "pre-eternal diety" or the concept of an anthropomorphic diety. If it's a pre-eternal deity, you can only say I don't believe, period. “Mistake” is an anthropomorphic attribute and is not of use. You cannot say, "Your perfect god makes mistakes." Then the use of the word 'mistake" would only negate the use of the term "perfect." Like saying, "You woke up dead." However for the latter the term “mistake” only reaffirms the intended nature of an anthropomorphic deity. Modeled in human likeness, sleeps, awakens, ignorant of;
“…White man with a beard sitting on a throne with a magic wand in his hand”-Brand Nubian
Present an image of Zeus and I can point out anatomical illustrative mistakes. Because he is intended to signify human attributes. A “God” that is conceptually without description cannot be rendered as such, because there are no anthropomorphic attributes to exert. There is no such depiction as “preexistence without origin/eternal without end”, “unlike His Creation’. So the only thing that applies in this case is “I just don't believe in that”, as you have made clear. So to answer, you affirm what we both agree on. Human attributes i.e. “mistakes” is appropriate to a deity that’s conceptually anthropomorphic. You can only delegitimize one anthropomorphic deity with another as demonstrated in the film Conan, when Conan’s companion argues that his sky god is above “Crom” Conan’s mountain god.
I suppose some of our Muslim readers may even dispute you on this. -DMG
Regardless the faith, the "omnipotent deity" concept is apart of all Abrahamic traditions. Even though Christianity's trinity may conflict with the definition of monotheism, it's still an intended concept in Christianity.
Regardless the faith, the "omnipotent deity" concept is apart of all Abrahamic traditions.
on careful review, I think you'd find that omnipotence and omniscience are divine attributes devised by medieval scholasticism - rather than in the scriptural texts of the traditions in question.
KW,
This group constantly attempts to blame diet on every disease known to man. Neural tube defects have been described quite well over the last couple hundred years. If you are a believer in an omniscient god, then congenital anomalies are indisputable and contrary to his knowing all. But the bible and every other religion will try to conveniently sweep this under the rug with inane utterances such as, "...the lawd works in mysterious ways", which is a folksy way of saying, "I don't know what the fuck is going on so I'll attribute it to some invisible force in the sky who "knows" better".
Please give me ONE plausible reason an all knowing god would visit a disease such as imperforate anus on the child of one of his dedicated servants? And please spare me the "testing" their faith crap. If he's all knowing, he doesn't need to test anything...he already knows the outcome (or more precisely all possible outcomes).
If you are sincerely interested, it makes more sense to discuss, the word that omnipotent has been translated FROM, rather than the etymology of a word, by its TRANSLATED nature, does not retain its Semitic connotation.
If you are sincerely interested
in good faith, please proceed..,
I'm sure nobody is after the etymology of the word "God."
If they're going to sincerely invest their belief and practices in the thing, then it is incumbent upon them to understand the actual nature of the thing in which they're invested.
e.g., misunderstanding of the word mistranslated as "salvation" has folks professing and believing a "something for nothing" fairy tale entirely unrelated to the authentic practice and teaching.
when actually understood to mean the "turning of the mind" - BY EFFORT - that it actually means - it profoundly alters the substantive meaning of all gospel teaching.
Gee Chee I'll assume (and please correct me) we are using the Christian definition of "God". Or what the vast majority of so-called "Christians" believe today. That's the only thing that's relevant.
There are several instances that the bible states that god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
Omnipotent is an easy one: can he create something so heavy even he cannot hold it? If he can't he's not omnipotent, and if he can he's not omnipotent.
Omniscience: If he's all knowing, then what is the point of believing in him? If he knows all including all past and all possible and impossible future events, there goes free will.
Omnipresent: If he's everywhere at all times (and omniscient and omnipotent) how and why does he let his people...his most faithful, and innocents small children say sitting in the back seat of a car right before a horrible accident, or the smallest of torture victims, or say newborns in an earthquake in Haiti, not only die horrible deaths, but alone and long suffering before breathing their last breath?
Is that the god you worship? Who allows the torture and suffering of innocents? Mysterious ways...indeed.
DMG
Theistic evolution rather than interpretations from religous books provide some form of answer for me. Whether God makes mistakes or not isn't the question, but how nature's processes take place such that a baby is born with congenital defects.
The argument that God does/does not make mistakes is between the Church and atheists to dispute some of the happy clappy jazz Christian churches spit as truth and by churches shut down the atheist claptraps, but neither of those disproves the existence or probes what God's perfection is.
KW, do I read you correctly as not arguing for the perfection of deity?
(frankly, outside of medieval scholasticism, such arguments seem quite meaningless and silly to me - utterly irrelevant to the question of non-human intelligence)
DMG,
I perceive resentment in your words. I am reminded by them of my younger character in search for truth. If you are going to mention the word 'God', then I advise you to not ignore your philosophical inner-self which I consider to be the main tool to seek for spiritual revelations, and perhaps the answers to the questions you are looking for.
I won't put myself in the position to answer your questions. But, tell me DMG, do you see beauty in those 'mistakes', do you see love?, do you feel compasion? is there a lesson to be learned? Or am I asking all non-sense once again?
I understand your frustration for being a witness of the injustice all around us. And because of this it is easy to blame "the invisible force in the sky" as you call it. I used to blame everything on it too. When I couldn't see beyond what my eyes could see.
DMG, is LOVE Omnipotent? is LOVE an infinite power?
DMG, is LOVE Omniscience? is LOVE an infinite knowledge?
DMG, is LOVE Omnipresent? is LOVE
everywhere, everytime, all the time?
If you base your concept of 'God' to a scripture, dogmatic belief and religion then you are just limiting your questioning to just that.
There is no such thing as an external invisible force in the sky, because everything is part of ONE. And you, believe it or not are part of it, that's all I can give you now and all you need for now. :)
Ces,
Do I see beauty in a child with his guts pushing up into his thoracic cavity who is suffocating from his first "breath" out of the womb? Do I see beauty in a kid born without a brain, and is essentially a large earth worm?
Ces, I don't blame an invisible force in the sky, because I don't believe there IS ONE. I'm annoyed with people who are otherwise intelligent bringing up this bullshit so they can conveniently sweep life's tragedies under the rug, dismissed as "the lawd works in mysterious ways".
Believe in whatever you want. One is just as good as the next. Odinn seems pretty interesting, as does Anubis.
Just quit pushing your gods into my schools, politics and everything else.
Thanks, but I don't need a lesson in "love".
Believe in whatever you want. One is just as good as the next. Odinn seems pretty interesting, as does Anubis.
Just quit pushing your gods into my schools, politics and everything else.
Thanks, but I don't need a lesson in "love".
Sure, I can believe in anything that suits me, so do you. Believing that there is a God it is no different than believing there's none.
The issue here like KW said in another post, it is not if God makes mistakes or not. If there isn't any force beyond what you see, then what causes this injustices? nature? I would assume nature is not just then, neither perfect.
I was not trying to push anything on you my dear friend, neither to give you a lesson in "love". My intention was to encourage you to share your philosophical approach about the subject. But I now convinced myself, that must be even more challenging than humanity's search for God's face.
The statement was that god did not make mistakes. My reply was that if there was a god (and I don't believe there is) that he made mistakes often. I'm not interested in sharing anything.
The fact is that life in most of the world is brutal and unforgiving. Instead of spending my time worrying how to please an absentee landlord, I choose to help alleviate some of the suffering. If you all want to get on your knees and carry on talking to the air, fine. I'll be doing something constructive that gets far more results then your wishes on the wind.
The statement was that god did not make mistakes.
what makes them then? In your words...
My reply was that if there was a god (and I don't believe there is) that he made mistakes often.
I know. Again, what causes the "mistakes"? In your words...
I'm not interested in sharing anything.
I should've known that, what can you share anyway? :)
The fact is that life in most of the world is brutal and unforgiving
Really?
If you all want to get on your knees and carry on talking to the air, fine.
Don't mind that. Do you talk to yourself?
I'll be doing something constructive that gets far more results then your wishes on the wind.
I don't know Dr. Words might be of some use sometimes.
Ces,
They are not mistakes, because there is not god to make them.
You DO realize that I was debating the non-existence of god, right?
I called them congenital anomalies. There are a myriad of reasons written in volumes of textbooks and scientific journals. Feel free to go down to your local medical university and request access.
Words are only of use when there is someone to hear them. No, I don't talk to myself, however I do think and ponder. If praying calms you down, and helps you to focus, more power to you, but when you are finished, I suggest getting off your knees and doing something.
I'm sure nobody is after the etymology of the word "God."
If they're going to sincerely invest their belief and practices in the thing, then it is incumbent upon them to understand the actual nature of the thing in which they're invested.
e.g., misunderstanding of the word mistranslated as "salvation" has folks professing and believing a "something for nothing" fairy tale entirely unrelated to the authentic practice and teaching. -CNu
What’s going on here is that you are investigating words by their sacerdotal origins i.e. Koine Greek (Eastern Church), Attic Greek, Latin (Western Church) etc. Abrahamic faiths are not sacerdotal, they are sacred languages i.e. Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic (Semitic), Sanskrit.
Translating from sacred languages into sacerdotal languages, then finally into other languages kills the nuances and abstractions of its Semitic origins (the case for any language). The Bible is a compilation of these sacerdotal translations. Revelations weren’t revealed as “the Bible”. Just like all of these Jimi Hendrix albums after his death are obviously songs taken from a combination of previous albums and/or studio sessions. We understand the Greeks had anthropomorphic ideas about their deities. So what you argue is accurate, but applying that only to text locked into sacerdotal parameters. Christainity is of the Abrahamic tradition but Abrahamic traditions is not Christianity.
Words are only of use when there is someone to hear them.No, I don't talk to myself, however I do think and ponder.
So, I assume you use words to think and ponder, since everything we think about is based in our limitation of words and terms. What is the difference between words in paper, words verbally expressed and words in your mind?
Are any of those any more tangible?
Based on your statement that words are only of use when there is someone to hear them, I would then assume that your words are of no value to yourself since the words that are created in your mind are only heard by the same mind that created them. And never heard by any one else since no one else can listen to your thoughts. Therefore, your thinking and pondering would be of no value.
DMG,
What is the difference between that who expresses his/her inner-self to that supposedly invisible external supernatural force through verbally spoken words and that who thinks and ponders to his/her own invisible internal self/mind?
Or better yet, what is the difference between that who expresses words towards an invisible force being that god, love, justice, or anything that is not tangible through music and that who repeats the words & the music silently in the mind?
If I tell you apples exist and you tell me apples don't exist, aren't we still talking about the same thing?
Do wormholes exist? I do not know, do you know? I do believe they do exist, do you? Even if you don't I think you understand the concept of it, right? Or would you simply neglect the possibility of their existence?
Then I would say we both understand the concept of them without knowing what exactly they are. Only in concept, but not in experience.
In other words debate over something we cannot comprehend is useless when there is no constructive approach to the debate. There is only disregard of our theoretical concepts, which is destructive.
Do you believe in creativity DMG?
Is creativity limited? is Knowledge or Science limited?
If not, which I think is the case then why would the self/mind be limited to that of itself & the external knowledge it acquires only?
Why neglect the possibility of an unlimited spiritual/knowledgeable higher connection?
There is creation in prayer, just like there is creation in music or your thoughts. You could either express them or keep them to your inner-self.
Prayer is an art just like any other art of expressing.
...And about your suggestion...
Thanks.
Gee Chee I'll assume (and please correct me) we are using the Christian definition of "God". Or what the vast majority of so-called "Christians" believe today. That's the only thing that's relevant.-DMG
No, the Abrahamic definition of “God.”
There are several instances that the bible states that god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
Omnipotent is an easy one: can he create something so heavy even he cannot hold it? If he can't he's not omnipotent, and if he can he's not omnipotent.-DMG
No. There are entire sciences dedicated to the Attributes of God. You define your understanding of “God” through anthropomorphism (you’re going to make me use this word until it’s depleted into oblivion). How to believe in Him is in three categories. The Intellectual Necessity, The Intellectual Impossibility, The Intellectual Possibility. You have given an example of the Intellectual Impossibility. Believing “God” makes himself into a human, a spook, lives in heaven (confined to space) etc. Giving form, size, direction to God is anthropomorphic. It is not intellectually sound to believe an elevator moves up, down and side to side all at once or sitting and standing simultaneously unless you’re Rosa Parks, by taking a stand by sitting down. He is All Powerful, but "All Powerful" in Abrahamic constructs are not defined by Western mythologies.
A reporter tried to tell Malcolm (don’t remember word for word) that the majority of the black community didn’t look at him as their representative. That they regarded people like Jackie Robinson, Louis Armstrong, Lena Horn etc. as their representatives. Malcolm told him, “Who are these people? Actors, athletes, trumpet players, stage clowns. Show me in the white community where trumpet players and athletes are their representatives.”
The reporter was trying to define success or progress for black people. This Western measuring stick of deification is based on warlocks & magic wands.
Omniscience: If he's all knowing, then what is the point of believing in him? If he knows all including all past and all possible and impossible future events, there goes free will.
You have freewill to intend an action. That is freewill. He manifests your intentions into existence. Western construct of free will is that the action comes into existence by the created agent not the Creator. You intend to do something and it is willed into existence. You may get sick and take a remedy and it cures you. For your actions to manifest it is by His willing it into existence.
Omnipresent: If he's everywhere at all times-DMG
He is not everywhere. Everywhere is created. He is pre-Existence. He is not in heaven, the toilet, glass of milk. Anthropomorphism...attributing creation to God. These are places and directions none of which can contain Him. If He is in heaven he is dwarfed by His own creation.
(and omniscient and omnipotent) how and why does he let his people...his most faithful, and innocents small children say sitting in the back seat of a car right before a horrible accident, or the smallest of torture victims, or say newborns in an earthquake in Haiti, not only die horrible deaths, but alone and long suffering before breathing their last breath?-DMG
I think this statement is disingenuous because you mark the parameters of cruel, by your own survival. Why isn’t killing both animal and plant a cruel act just to feed your gut? Have you ever been attacked by anything you put on your plate? Well, just as you retain the right to function as you please for your own selfish concerns, the Creator retains the right to do as He pleases with what He has brought out of non-existence. If I through away a hat or burn it, it's my property and I do as I please. It's not for you to criticize me. You don't know the wisdom behind my decision. It could have flees in it.
The concept of these faiths are defining their purpose and duties by revelation. None of which support the idea of a Utopia. That is a concept only attributed through the passage of death.
Is that the god you worship? Who allows the torture and suffering of innocents? Mysterious ways...indeed. –Cnu
What you are saying is that if a “God” existed, you would blame him for what you find discontent in. Yet you abandon your principle when the deity factor is removed. Is the Earth responsible for killing innocents, is the passage of time evil for making people turn old and die, wind or tsunamis are evil for their destruction? Step off a building and gravity kills you. Where is the maliciousness at work?
What’s going on here is that you are investigating words by their sacerdotal origins i.e. Koine Greek (Eastern Church), Attic Greek, Latin (Western Church) etc. Abrahamic faiths are not sacerdotal, they are sacred languages i.e. Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic (Semitic), Sanskrit.
No. That's not in fact what's going on here.
If you are sincerely interested, it makes more sense to discuss, the word that omnipotent has been translated FROM, rather than the etymology of a word, by its TRANSLATED nature, does not retain its Semitic connotation.
Still waiting for that discussion.
Is it pending GCVision?
because at this juncture, you've agreed with my statement;
on careful review, I think you'd find that omnipotence and omniscience are divine attributes devised by medieval scholasticism - rather than in the scriptural texts of the traditions in question.
but not yet offered any facts about original "sacred" languages to substantiate the claims you've made for them.
Is that the god you worship? Who allows the torture and suffering of innocents? Mysterious ways...indeed. –Cnu
Did I write that, or did DMG write that?
It's not a contest.
Take your time.
But please do better than the "because I said so" political propaganda pimps, hard at work pushing their "forced-birth" agenda.
All this philosophy without application of Occam's razor.
Doods profess atheism OR worship autonomous gods IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THEIR AUTONOMY.
Doods UNDERSTAND that worshipping The One True God is, by practice, discriminatory and therefore A RESTRAINT ON ONE'S FREEDOM.
These cats advocate abortion FOR A REASON.
These cats argue against the knowability of God FOR A REASON.
These doods cool with the original eugenicists FOR A REASON.
What's the reason? Simple... Absolute freedom... Extreme liberalism... Radical autonomy... They warring with God or defining Him out of existence and hoping there's not hell to pay.
Gee Chee,
"There are entire sciences dedicated to the Attributes of God."
I don't think science and god belong in the same sentence.
Having a science degree or two, I'm unfamiliar with a science dedicated to the attributes of an abstraction created by a random desert people.
You are arguing about a particular god. Just because he is popular here doesn't make him anymore valid. If you want to believe in that particular fairytale, feel free.
You ever wonder why there are the "big three" religions? Why a certain groups mythology and cult has now become pervasive in our society?
Doc ... Doc ... Doc
Damn Bra
Do yourself a favor. Read Gee gain.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing.
Don't be embarrassed because you are encountering something with which you are unfamiliar.
Don't be ashamed because you are engaged in a conversation with men who are more knowledgeable and who possess a greater depth of understanding on this subject than do you.
This is school. We all learn from each other.
Stop posturing.
You don't have to keep up the Know-It-All Medical Doctor facade while you are here.
While you were being trained to stick your fingers up men's asses Gee Chee was contemplating the essence of divinity.
Appreciate this education you didn't have to borrow money to receive.
CNu
"KW, do I read you correctly as not arguing for the perfection of deity?"
No, by use of the word probe I was referring to probe-as-in exploring the perfection of God, rather than probe-as-in question the perfection of God.
MOTI,
Gee and I are engaged in a conversation. I don't think he needs your help.
So far I have never needed your help. I suppose there's a first time for everything...but I just don't see it anytime soon.
I don't know why you continue to think all of my knowledge somehow stems from my studying medicine and science. Perhaps you are one dimensional, but I don't share that attribute with you. Actually, I haven't quite figured out in what subject you believe you are an expert or at least knowledgeable. You've got alot of opinions, but so far no substance. Again...you've already been measured and weighed.
Back to you Gee Chee.
Well since you ask DMG ...
I am the world's leading authority on Plantation Negros.
I've been studying them for years.
This blog is part of my dissertation.
You are one of my primary subjects.
Continue ....
No. Sadly you aren't even that. Surprisingly I've found even more psychotic no-nothings on these here "intertubes".
Not sure why you are starting on that dissertation now, you haven't been advanced to candidacy. Shit, negro you haven't even been admitted to the program.
Anyway, you don't need a dissertation to get a GED. Ask Thordaddy, he got his by sending away cereal boxtops.
OK. You Right Doc.
You win the insult contest.
Congratulations.
Just like you won our debate about the H1N1 "Pandemic".
MOTI,
The record is clear for anyone who wants to peruse the archives about who won what and when.
If you weren't intent on describing the Pandemic as a "hoax" I probably would have left you alone...but no you had to ratchet it up, like everything else into conspiracy theory.
The definition of Pandemic was met, therefore H1N1 influenza reached pandemic levels. It had been explained to you ad nauseum that the vast majority of people would have mild disease, but a small subset of patients would require critical care services, which had the potential to overwhelm the system as almost happened in Australia and New Zealand last summer. Actually, just found out yesterday a few counties over there are close to 10 patients being treated in the ICU with H1N1 confirmed respiratory failure, some with septic shock and secondary bacterial infection. Shit, even I thought the threat was over a couple of weeks ago.
Look man, all I'm trying to do is slap you into reality.
This little off the cuff, no facts needed blog of yours is entertaining, but why you all want to perpetuate false and misleading information is beyond me.
I'm not here to change your opinions. Keep them. Just be prepared to debate them. and don't get mad when someone calls you out. And there's no need to make shit up. Especially in this day and age of almost instant information at your fingertips. You'll be found out in a matter of moments. Why bother lying?
Whatever. It would be more fun debating you if you decided you wanted to live in this reality, rather in the DV-Universe.
Enjoy the day, I've got work to do now.
"Enjoy the day, I've got work to do now." DMG
LOL ...
We've got to get this cat on stage.
He's a comedian.
With a stethoscope.
What do you think? Is it time to graduate DV.net to video?
DV,
DMG said "If you weren't intent on describing the Pandemic as a "hoax" I probably would have left you alone...but no you had to ratchet it up, like everything else into conspiracy theory.
The definition of Pandemic was met, therefore H1N1 influenza reached pandemic levels. It had been explained to you ad nauseum that the vast majority of people would have mild disease, but a small subset of patients would require critical care services, which had the potential to overwhelm the system as almost happened in Australia and New Zealand last summer. Actually, just found out yesterday a few counties over there are close to 10 patients being treated in the ICU with H1N1 confirmed respiratory failure, some with septic shock and secondary bacterial infection. Shit, even I thought the threat was over a couple of weeks ago."
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Oh DV! These boys killin me.. Monkey Juice all the way to 2012. Puffy Hit it......" Won't stop, Can't stop, Bad Boys in the House".
Oh lawd! LOL. these motherfuckers are so talented. We got Niggas to stick :)
They forgot to tell DMG that this pandemic is suppose to last to Feb. 28 2012!
"Eileen Danneman has uncovered document showing that the US Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius has extended the pandemic emergency to 2012 on March 5th, 2010, with little or no attention from the media."
"SEBELIUS: HHS document EXTENDING THE PANDEMIC to 2012 (Federal Register March 5, 2010)
"Therefore, pursuant to section 319F-3(b) of the Act, I have
determined there is a credible risk that the spread of pandemic
influenza A viruses and those with pandemic potential and resulting
disease does or could constitute a public health emergency.
...and extends
through February 28, 2012."
In ain't ova!! Ain't no conspiracy. Free Monkey Juiice for 2 more years yall! Line em up DMG! Line em up.
Damm, with the ability to see into the future like that, Can I have next week lotto numbers?
LOL!!!! Ahhhh ...
Wax.
Maannnnnnnnn ....
Can you believe dude is STILL clinging to that Bullshit Money Making Toxic Scam?
Talk about a fragile ego.
Dude scared to take a hit.
Just admit he was tricked just like all the other morons who stood in line to get a shot they can't GIVE AWAY now.
It's really jaw-dropping to see someone pursue Plantation Negrodom with a vengeance.
H1N1 is STILL a threat the same way Y2K is a threat.
Waxy,
If you had read the literature on the subject, and the definition of pandemic rather than just guffawing like some street corner simpleton, you would know that a second peak of severe cases was expected THIS SEASON...as has been historically seen with seasonal influenza and with H1N1 described by the Australian/New Zealand investigators last summer.
So intent on trying to catch me up on a small detail (which you didn't) you completely miss the point. Your newly found internet lover is trying to argue a point nobody has made. He's expecting scenes from the movie outbreak, when he's been repeatedly told that's not the definition of pandemic.
Then the Southern Hemisphere gears up for THEIR flu season. We expected the peak near the end of January/early February. A cluster of severe cases is cause for vigilance. But you morons are happy to laugh it off. I am truly happy that nobody I know personally (outside of patients) has had severe disease...even my two favorite intellectual midgets.
Our host is afraid of the unknown, and believes there is safety in the numbers. He wants you to deny evidence and serious scholarship for the unlearned ignorant opinion of one man who does not even understand the basics.
Trust your life with the snake-oil salesman. Just don't come teary-eyed, hat in hand, sobbing, "...I..I..I fucked up". We'll help your sorry ass, but we still don't want to hear it.
"Trust your life with the snake-oil salesman. Just don't come teary-eyed, hat in hand, sobbing, "...I..I..I fucked up". We'll help your sorry ass, but we still don't want to hear it." DMG
you see that?
do you see the apotheosis?
these dudes work the same was religious cults.
believe in us ... or else you'll be sorry!!!
these trendy little Sci-Fi Negro atheists ... pretend they don't believe in God because they want to be God.
They refuse to believe the body can heal itself without their interference.
watch this:
Hey Doc.
Please show us reason to believe the H1N1 Vaccine helped more people than it harmed.
MOTI,
I don't care what you believe.
Since you are moaning about CNu not "answering your question directly", I'm going to ask you a direct question:
At 3:45am, when you or one of your children can't breathe, and lips have become ashen, and you are panicking because they can't get a breath where are you headed?
Whole Foods?
GNC?
Your garden for some herbs?
Or to see Submariner in the ED?
And about the H1N1 vaccine...you unwittingly have already answered that question. One of the differences between the Southern Hemisphere and Northern Hemisphere H1N1 influenza experience is that we had a vaccine in time for flu season. They didn't.
I'm not interested in doing your homework for you, but I'm benevolent. NEJM. I've posted it before. 28.7 cases per million population were admitted to the ICU during a 3 month period, with confirmed infection of H1N1 virus...if that were so here we would have seen almost 9,000 ICU admits in the US. I'll look forward to the data probably early this summer.
Dude,
They extended the date to two years from now. Will the pandemic last that long?
LOL.
How do they know? Why not only til the fall then?
BTW,
for $5, what disease have vaccinations eliminated or cured?
Bra, You know that I am the original "Germ theory is a Hoax" person, so you never have to worry about me sayin "I fucked up". Send me some polio and any other thing you got in that lab, I ain't scared. You are poisoned from the inside out, not outside in therefore- ship your sample H1N1 so I can hang that shit on the wall:)."
Why don't you tecnocrats just let us be with this so call killer virus :) if we want to be. Why yall got try so hard to inject me with following :Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen
Neomycin Sulfate: Immunotoxin
Polymyxin B: Neurotoxin
Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin
Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin
in order to help me.
Have you ever read the pandemic laws for level 6? Mother fuckers are allowed to force vaccinate you or kill you-that is a nice choice. Why not just let me stay in my house. Martial law muggaFugga-Control of the scared masses-" help man in white coat, I don't want to die" Aren't we still at level 6? When dey goin pull it back man?
Seriously Bra- just be honest- fraud.
Wax,
You know...I had begun a reasoned explanation, then I realized who I was writing to and erased what I'd written. You don't deserve an answer because you are...well, just fucked up in the head. Oh, sorry perhaps I should have said "phugged" up to make it more palatable for you delicate types.
Let you be? I don't recall anyone herding you into a corral to be vaccinated. I do know a husband who just buried his wife a few days ago, and is feeling guilty about encouraging his wife not to get vaccinated. Late 30's mother of 3. There are consequences for your actions. Just spare me the tears and pleading. You've been warned. You can't say there wasn't any information.
Doesn't matter what I say, you aren't interested in truth. You are interested in hearing your own twisted words. Maybe this is therapy for you. Maybe this is how you cope with things you've experienced in life...I don't know. I don't really know you. I do know that you are quite delusional.
Seriously, wax. Get some help. Perhaps medicine failed to completely heal someone you know. Sometimes there is cure, no surgical treatment that will help. Physicians and surgeons don't raise the dead or accomplish the impossible. Sometimes folks just gotta die.
Do you mean Phase 6: community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO Region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way" Yes, actually I've memorized it.
Point me to the "laws for level 6" and since you know we are at Phase 6, where are these "martial law" protocols? Or have you been reading the "Prison Planet" blog again? Finally checked that out. That guy should be sedated. It's amazing how people can blatantly lie about something, but be allowed to broadcast it on the airwaves.
Seek help. That's not a dig at you. I think you really have some problems to sort through.
Is there a GOD out there that's gonna torture me for not believing in Him/Her/It?
If so please bring forth your EVIDENCE...
If not... Fuck are we wasting time on some bullshit for?
Let's get free!!!
Peace!!
Keith,
God will not torture you. He will simply give you in death what you always wanted in life, radical autonomy. The real thing is hell.
Hahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahah!
Flu shots futile: study
Nursing Home Test; 'Didn't find' proof immunization stops virus
"What troubled us is that [shots] had no effect on laboratory-confirmed influenza," said Dr. Roger Thomas of the University of Calgary, lead author of the paper published by the respected Cochrane Library.
"What we were looking for is proof that influenza ... is decreased. Didn't find it. We looked for proof that pneumonia is reduced. Didn't find it. We looked for proof deaths from pneumonia are reduced. Didn't find it."
National Post-by the respected Cochrane Library.:)
Hahahahahahahahahah!
IF YOU (CNu, not me) are sincerely interested, it makes more sense to discuss (for you to discuss, not me) the word that omnipotent has been translated FROM, rather than the etymology of a word, by its (TRANSLATED) nature, does not retain its Semitic connotation.
It’s on you CNu not me. I’m not attempting to pick apart an ideology with one sacerdotal term. I was trying emphasize it by explaining sacerdotal & sacred. I actually thought that cleared it up. It’s not taking it anywhere. If your curiosity is overwhelming:
Qudra
Now you have the proof you were probing for…or do you? So why is this part of the discussion of any importance to you if you can’t discern the dalil? It’s only picking teeth. Turning the thread into a spool.
The Real Pandemic
Wax,
You know...reading the title of a news story on a published study isn't really enough to make an argument.
In between your pathologic laughing, maybe you could actually READ the article that you sent. Perhaps the part that said "so few residents were tested".
But this is sort of the M.O. of your set. Half truths, studies taken out of context, cherry-picking sentences.
I can call you a complete moron until my lips turn blue, it won't do any good. Your mind is probably beyond retrieval.
Whatever, be ignorant. It's your choice. You are again declared noise and are back in the Thordaddy category.
Where there's any indication of exceptional and original knowledge or understanding GC, I probe for verification.
Having now determined there's nothing here but a sample/remix - I can move along secure in the knowledge of not having missed anything.
Keith,
God will not torture you. He will simply give you in death what you always wanted in life, radical autonomy. The real thing is hell.
How the fuck do you know that?
Dood,
Whenever my attention is soiled by one of DeeVee's "favorite most ignorant white boy's" comments - I tend to imagine him as a pasty version of Bundini Brown's character Willy in the original Shaft.
You know who I'm talkin bout.
Bumpy Jonas' flunky who talks all that big isht to Shaft up front.., give it a try - I think you'll quickly appreciate the humor of the juxtiposition.
Which statement does not support ethnocentrism?
a) don’t think science and god belong in the same sentence
b) random desert people
c) Every civilization borrows from earlier civilizations, humans exist in an organic relationship to one other
This is for everyone else DMG not you. You contributed to the pop quiz so that would be cheating.
DMG, these terms and statements…I don’t know what to say. I mean I know you don’t care. Cool, cool. Apparently you don’t view the world outside of what sustains your immediate existence. But DMG, you can change, you can do it! [as some Van Halen 80’s guitar lick plays in the background]
You don’t have to become a conduit for some undeveloped reductionist theories of chauvinistic historians. Chuck D always tells black youth, “The world is bigger than America.”
“Random desert people” DMG? Like the news reporting a passenger flight out of Kenya crashing. “Two Americans and one British citizen died.” Any other nationalities are totally inconsequential. Just some ol' random jungle nirgas. Your ideas result from this type of colonial trauma.
“Drop more jewels than schools do or even TV news that’s design to fool you.”-MF Doom
One of those “random desert people”, a physician named ibn Sina (that has written several HUNDRED works on MEDICINE, MATHEMATICS, ASTRONOMY and MINEROLOGY) speaks about this. He believed disease disturbs the natural state, but also an unhealthy physical environment (water & soil) or diet, unhealthy ideas, emotions and states of mind. His theories thrived for/and were jacked some 900 YEARS LATER into modern psychology. That is a doctor for your degree or two. I had this Afrocentric/Egyptologist art instructor back in the days that referred to the European masters as “the masters.” He was humane and secure enough to recognize the contributions of other cultures. He was not locked into ethnocentrism. Amiri Baraka has explained that we do not want to become chauvinists were we only acknowledge our own culture.
Yes you may not have heard of science and god in the same sentence...ibn Sina was not the greatest achiever in medicine amogst “random desert people.” Other "random desert people" developed the hospital and the scalpel you love as an icon. Anotomy, astronomy, math, engineering is a whole 'nother "random desert people" subject. Indirectly you jock’n those who made no divide between the physical world and the spiritual. “Random desert people.” Your pedigree is probably just as tragic as mine, only I recognize it.
The point is not for you to care about historical events, obvious from your statements it’s something that’s inconsequential. It only stands to reason, since history usually invalidates ethnocentric theories, especially the ‘table-scrap’ culture tossed down to slave descendants. I dig the “American Melting Pot” song just like you on School House Rock back in the day, but you have no clue of cosmopolitan cultures that existed beyond the limits of your "degree or two."
In Kemitic spirituality (that you find so fascinating) scientific knowledge was only obtainable through PRIESTHOOD. Pythagoras learned from Egyptian priests. There is a huge culture of God and science that proceeded these Western constructs that you can’t seem to pry out of. The idea of science separate from god is a bastard ideology. This thinking is the spawn of the way Western Christianity treated their scientists as heretics. Killed them tortured them. So what you are pop’n off is some extreme reactionary tradition to one culture’s extreme oppressive tradition.
Because of the enormous influence of "random desert people" on Europe provoked Europe into exaggerating it's dependents on it's Greek and Roman heritage. That's why you all up on some Odin and thinking Jack Kirby did it.
Having now determined there's nothing here but a sample/remix - I can move along secure in the knowledge of not having missed anything.-CNU
Thats because you haven't figured out what it is that you didn't know to begin with.
Nah.
I've already forgotten more than you're capable of knowing.
That's right because you was about to break me off the etymology of the word "qudra" that I was dodging. Even though it was a transliteration and wouldn't be found in Latin texts. It's not that you didn't now, you just forgot that's all.
"I dun forgot what I's rememba'd"
-Amos and Andy
Gee Chee,
What makes you think I'd want to change into some conformist who worships the god(s) of a random desert people? Why is it that my ancestors gods and beliefs were reduced to "witchcraft" or "devil worship", only to be forced to bow down to the gods of the oppressor?
Yeah, random desert people--no more, or no less important than any other random people breathing air on this planet. Listening to their PR reps (you might know them as preachers), you'd think they were the chosen people. But if there isn't a big mysterious being doing any choosing then they aren't so important anymore (never have been for me). I respect their religion and culture, I just don't think I should be required to sing along.
I don't know them, their mama's or any of their kin. Please tell me what the wanderings of a nomadic tribe of people who don't like tasty pork products has to do with me...or my ancestors?
"Your ideas result from this type of colonial trauma"
Actually, just the opposite. The fact that you are worshiping the colonialists god should have already stopped you in your tracks.
Science and god do not belong in the same sentence.
One requires proof and evidence.
The other only require faith that you aren't just making up random bullshit.
I'll take the first thank you.
That's right because you was about to break me
lol,
you struck a pose, I left you hanging..,
Leave that history alone DMG. I pick Orientalism from between my teeth after every meal.
You wasn't talking all that stuff back in '97.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayWQGYHG2GQ
...and CNu worked the camera zoom and lighting
Gee-Chee,
I do like your West Coast braided mullet. Anybody tell you that you look like DJ Pooh?
Anyway, bring it on. I mean I won't stand a chance if this is going to be a dance contest, I'll just have to concede.
it was obvious what would happen...,
You read it wrong DMG. I'm in the red you in the white. Don't need belts and titles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0&feature=related
Pull yourself together CNu you barking up the wrong tree @ 4:30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prz9kRKl6GI&feature=related
Gee-Chee,
The key to a good YouTube link is it's brevity, and shows immediate impact.
Again...I look forward to the debate.
Naw, giving advice don't work for you. Just take orders and pop'a squat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSL5P0tnv80
Gee-Chee,
Are you...are you talking to me? Yeah, movie time is nice, but if you have something to say spit it out man.
What's that? You don't know how to debate?
Then perhaps it is you who should sit silently.
Oh...oh...you really thought you said something DMG? Lord (actually means keeper of the bread;give that up to CNu), you thought you made some kind of point. I apologize. I read it wrong. Thought you were on some ol' youtube battle.
EVERY point I made you thought you found a new argument to run up under. I saw your tactics and dropped it.
I suppose that was selfish of me because if it's about a sincere aquisition of knowledge I have no problem. But you are talking debate. Now Gee Chee made it clear that he understood that you don't believe in the existence of a deity (but you like Odin and Osiris & whatnot). Cool. I don't care that you don't believe. However, your whole language in attempting to argue the point were Western constructs. Which is common for a person that digs plantation quarantine. On the plantation we read maps upside down even though the oldest maps have Europe on the bottom. Well that is how you think DMG. With Europe on the top. Well, that's fine. You have adopted a different way of thinking.
What you have to understand is that you are trying to criticize ideologies that are not rooted in Western culture. I remember back in the day an American college student was catching up with an old friend on the bus. He was telling him how he spent time in Japan learning the language. He goes on to criticize the language as being grammatically inefficient. I was thinking, here is this fool finding fault in an ancient culture by his own piece meal culture.
That is basically what I see in your conversation. Then when you pop off like you think you made some point, you damn near kick over your whole computer trying to bust a cartwheel. You can't see that because you don't know both arguments. You trying to argue a point without first investigating the other side. If you understood the role of an Orientalist you would be able to detect that Gee-Chee heard your little argument before. You are not that invested in this information so someone like me is like, what's the use.
You havent said anything that an Orientalist hasnt already attempted to say.
OK DMG. Let's start with the first part of your statement.
"What makes you think I'd want to change into some conformist who worships the god(s) of a random desert people?
That never was the intent, and Gee-Chee made that clear.
"But DMG, you can change, you can do it! [as some Van Halen 80’s guitar lick plays in the background]"-Gee Chee
That was a joke. I am not trying to force recruit any finger pointers talking 'bout, "He went dat way boss."
"Why is it that my ancestors gods and beliefs were reduced to "witchcraft" or "devil worship", only to be forced to bow down to the gods of the oppressor?"-DMG
Stop. Explain this. Obviously you think you made a point. First off when you have been stopped in your tracks with all of these Latin/Greek base terms you were using and they had absolutely no strength in the point you were making you all of a sudden became "cultural." Now you talking that red. black & green jump suit Roy Wilkins was saving for just the proper occasion but you still sound like Sheriff John Brown.
So explain my "ancestors gods and beliefs were reduced to "witchcraft" or "devil worship", only to be forced to bow down to the gods of the oppressor?"
Elaborate on this DMG. You got me on the ropes. I'm loosing consciousness. Here is your opportunity before the bell rings.
See I ain't no aggressive ego tripp'n dude. I tried to allow you to bow out gracefully allowing you to think you had something. But DMG could just think he made a point and moved along. You had to come back and emphasized that you did something.
DV told you that this is subject matter you don't understand. So why you dwelling on it? At the end of the day, you running right back to what you say every time. "Why should I believe in a god" or "I choose not to believe." Cool, but don't start things up to keep suggesting someone is trying to make you a choir member or something. You made an error in your initial statement. Which is, "If your god does exist, he makes an awful lot of mistakes."
Broke off the inconsistencies of that statement and you've been softshoe'n ever since.
Gee Chee,
How do you feel about using the term Orientalist?
"Why is it that my ancestors gods and beliefs were reduced to "witchcraft" or "devil worship", only to be forced to bow down to the gods of the oppressor?"-DMG
That's a frustration alot of people feel and that's the reasdon why they turn back to African-centred worship and this becomes their way of recognising the Creator.
I don't really think you can come on DV.net with an anti-Xtian meme to disavow the existence of God among non-Xtian Christians & such. Not many of the God-believers on here are Stanning for Xtian ways so that type of argument is out of sync with people talking 'bout Eastern and African centred faiths.
Like Gee-Chee noted there is a contradiction in what you say - the way of worship of your ancestors was destroyed by the oppressors and you burn that - faya, but contradictingly you use the very oppressor's worldview to claim there is no God and uphold (Western) science...??? iCan't and iDon't get that.
KW, good faith discussion is a hopelessly corrupted lost cause at DV.net.
Too many "because I said so" extremists proselytizing - and no one upholding internally consistent standards of logic, language, values, and fact.
The only value consistently upheld at the school of memetic pimpology is "keep your pimp-hand strong".
^^ Lawd have mercy. LOL!
Too many "because I said so" extremists proselytizing - and no one upholding internally consistent standards of logic, language, values, and fact.-CNu
"Don't believe what CNu say,
cuz he going out like Kunta Kinte'"
Cnu, once your little "etymology rabbit out the hat" trick got tossed, and you started stutter typing, because you saw we started to take it outside the English language. You and Trapper John MG realized your entire library were the works of Dr. Kevorkian.
Like Doom say,
"Will he stutter like rookie "Yes, men"
or will he bring the butter like cookie "Chess Men"
I'm sorry geechee, did you say somethin?
Nope, just holding it down for Dr. Luther Brooks.
What happen to the youtube martial arts action CNu? I got some facts lined up for you.
How do you feel about using the term Orientalist?-KW
I'm sorry KW I wasn't trying to ignore your question. I know Trapper John MG been gett'n paged for the last half hour, hiding out behind a shelf of urine samples on the computer trying to gather some thoughts. I really don't want to start explaining too much. I want T.J.MG to come original.
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