"Not sure what that was but it doesn't have anything to do with real food, which includes pork." Dorcas' Daddy
DD,
Pork, meat, swine, hog, ham, bacon, ribs or chops.
Call it what you want. This is 99% of the "pork" consumed in America.
These are Cloned ... Genetically Modified ... Pig FRANKENSTEINS euphemistically termed "pigs" to give Plantation Negros the warm fuzzy illusion that they are still eating real food.
People who eat these pigs do as much damage to their bodies as the pigs fed genetically modified corn.
Look at the people waddling in and out of Walmart to buy this stuff.
They look just like the animals they are eating.
There's really nothing to 'argue about'. ______
Tofu and "meat substitutes" are Vegetarian Pork.
Genetically modified Food Imposters.
Vegetarians who eat that are Plantation Negros too.
Oh yes, I see--I always forget that I'm a 1%er, nothing weird like this going into my body. I chat with the dude who kills my pig, he can tell you who its momma was and what kind of (organic) table scraps it likes. You have created a strawman. Just because million of morons eat this garbage does not mean that this garbage is pork. It's no more pork than that GMO cotton oil (seriously, cotton oil?) is a vegetable.
What are you putting in your body?
I'm an omnivore descended from carnivores and I only eat the best food I can get my hands on. Veggies add flair, but the ideal food-- that means animals.
But we can't feed 6 billion people without CAFO pork and grain. But you can feed yourself and your loved ones.
Yeah, what you're showing here is nasty, but it's also not pork as far as I'm concerned.
True. The point of being vegetarian is to eat vegetables. Quorn is crap, IMO.
Those claims are only true if more people eat homegrown British beef. If there was an astronomical increase in the demand for tofu and soy sausages, I sincerely doubt those companies would spend more money clearing tracts of rainforest land to farm soya when the same soya they feed to the cows are the same fed to humans as Quorn. It doesn't make good business sense. Wouldn't it rather be a matter of re-directing feeds?
This article is exemplary of how to confuse people. Researchers publish conflicting studies all the time - and sometimes the media pushes it to the masses if its in their intere$t$. The Daily Mail does exactly this and has perfected the art of scaremongering and quoting people out of context.
"Doctors at Arizona's Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale believe the taco contained Taenia solium, a parasite that is surprisingly common in Latin American countries, and is often transmitted by eating pork.
Becerra said the snack made her ill for three weeks. And soon after, she began suffering seizures.
"I was tired and sick so it made it more difficult," she said. "I knew that this wasn't the way I wanted to live the rest of my life, with seizures."
She found that anti-seizure medication did not help her, and her condition worsened.
Doctors at the Mayo Clinic discovered Becerra had neurocysticercosis - a lesion in her brain, caused by the parasitic worm.
Last November, she was told that if she wanted to live a normal, seizure-free life, she would need surgery.
As an egg, the worm attached itself to the intestinal wall, and eventually moved into her blood stream and to her brain, said Dr. Joseph Sirven, who operated on Becerra."
Here's something on soya farming, I think meat industry might jst own the title enviromental homosexuality:
In 1998 the UK imported over 2,000,000 tonnes of soya products, mainly from the USA and Brazil, over half for animal feed. It is cheaper for UK farmers to rely on 'ghost hectares' of intensively-grown soya abroad, often in developing countries, than to rely on home-produced high-protein feed alternatives.
Transporting soya over 5000 miles to end up as a feed for intensively-reared livestock in the UK has serious environmental implications. The ghost hectares abroad for feeding British livestock (400,000 hectares in 1995) can undermine food and land security in exporting countries. In Brazil alone an area of 13 million hectares (equivalent to England and Scotland combined) is devoted to growing soya. This crop has replaced thousands of square miles of small farms, whilst its highly mechanised cultivation has contributed to unemployment and rural migration.
Perhaps we all can learn something from the places known as the Blue Zone. These are places in the world that produce the highest number of healthy centenarians. There are only five in the world:
Sardinia, Italy Okinawa, Japan Loma Linda, Ca Nicoya Peninsula, Costa Rica Icaria, Greece
What these five places have in common is that they mostly eat a mediterranean diet; nuts, seeds, vegetables, beans, breads, fish, and fruits. What is more important is that they eat whole, unprocessed foods, Dairy and red meat are the most limited. Their healthy lifestyle is more than diet and exercise though; it also includes family life, social community, and faith.
It is interesting to note that the only blue zone in the U.S. is Loma Linda, CA, a city filled with a community of people of the Seventh Day Adventist faith. I'm not one to push any particular religion on anyone, but it does raise the question if there is something about spiritual life that also has an impart on a healthy long life. The seventh day adventists in Loma Linda live an extra decade longer than the rest of the U.S. population. They suffer a fraction of the diseases that commonly kill people in other parts of the developed world and they enjoy more healthy years of life.
DV is onto something here y'all. Here is a quick Good Morning America clip on the lifestyles of people in the blue zone.
As long as pig eaters don't cast stones at those that eat dog or human fetus soup its cool.
That is disgusting. Some think culture is truth, or they simply don't think. Culture is too a religion, hellooo...
I know it is not time yet, but there will be a day where humanity starts to have more compassion for "lesser" beings, besides pork being the shiznizzle, healthy or not. Animal Farm is a good book.
Some of you guys up here have fallen into politicizing your food too much. What ever happened to ENJOYING food?
Saying that the body can do with less might be true, but what about the sensation of eating, smelling, chewing and swallowing some good food!
Meat is brain food! Meat is necessary for most humans. Grassfed beef, raw milk and fresh veggies are the best way to eat and live. There is nothing wrong with enjoying what you eat.
Yes, I've had friends who were bulimic and anorexic vegans before. They used veganism to cover up their true eating disorders. Ever try eating a steak around a bulimic or anorexic? IT fucking sucks!!!!
As to the Seventh Day Adventists, they are interesting because they have a restrictive diet AND they are intensely spiritual with a desire to advance technology. Loma Linda University was one of the first schools I knew of with a medical cyclotron back in the day.
Mahndisa said, "Saying that the body can do with less might be true, but what about the sensation of eating, smelling, chewing and swallowing some good food!"
That's all in the mind.
The less you eat over a longer period of time the less enchanted you are by the taste or smell of food. Having said that, I don't think anyone's chanelling orthorexic tendencies. Everyone on the thread seems to enjoy eating and has chosen what suits them best. Eating healthy will always be a highly politicized subject among non-meat, selective-meat and full-on meat eaters. That's jst the way it is.
I sincerely doubt those companies would spend more money clearing tracts of rainforest land to farm soya when the same soya they feed to the cows are the same fed to humans as Quorn.
lol,
Quorn has nothing whatsoever to do with soy. the third reich was the first to experiment with and perfect mycoprotein meat substitutes. Quorn, wonderful quorn, however, is a uniquely British vat grown mycoprotein product named after the small town.
there'll be MUCH MUCH more such crap on the menu in the years to come - oh, that and tasty, succulent long pig - for those few who manage to make it through the bottleneck....,
Aight then, thought it was soya. Still crap. If Quorn is made from fungus in a vat and processed into crap then that Daily Mail article contains yet another big untruth:
"meat substitutes imported from abroad such as tofu and Quorn would increase the amount of land cultivated, raising the risk of forests being destroyed."
KW - the DailyMail may be crap, but then again, it may just be trying to let you all down easy before the other shoe drops - vat grown meat and GMO vegetables from thanet earth are going to become cherished mainstays in the post-peak UK.
@ NEA - I lived in Loma Linda for one hot minute. There are no bars and only one market sells alcohol. The SDA's don't eat pork at all and limit their meat products to eggs, milk and yogurt.
The other towns in the Blue Zones seem to limit their calories but still eat some types of meat.
The less you eat over a longer period of time the less enchanted you are by the taste or smell of food."
How does that work? Measuring out portions and being modest in ones consumption doesn't necessarily translate into less enchantment with yumminess.
You are not a foodie! I am. That is the difference. I love to see, smell and taste aromas and experience the wonderousness of all things animal and vegetable. Indeed, I even make chitlins. Do they eat those where you are from?
There's enuff talk abt Thanet Earth and right-minded people are not in support of this abomination.
Since labour-based farming is no longer the future, this has massive implications for Lithuanian and Polish migrants coming to work on farms. On a global scale - what now is the future for the workforce of large estates owned by multi-national corps in South America and Africa?
Even for the locals; 550 people work in a glass monstrosity that provides 15% of the country's salad needs. That don't seem right.
And what GMO nation will flavorless hydro tomatoes and cucumbers feed - why not the sheeple's staple, the flavorless potato?
Don't get me wrong I L.O.V.E to eat, I won't say no to a plate of food, unless I'm fasting. It's not so much the food; it's more abt the fast. The more you do it the less you think abt food, because the body has become used to not eating and it's abt spiritual growth.
Nah they don't chitlins, but they eat trotters and some eat parts of the head. Beef and chicken intestines, feet and heads are also eaten.
They eat cats where I am from, for real, no kiddin'. But some got nothing to eat. They eat everything there. I mean, I used to eat some of that. Chicken hearts, intestines, bovine's kidneys. Yummy... You guys had guinea pigs? rabbit? fish testes? rana? Oh! Rana Fisher, but I mean a type of frog. It tastes like chicken.
I didn't know about the bars, but it doesn't surprise me since the community is strict on drinking and smoking. And yes, the strictest adventists don't eat meat at all and they take their seventh day sabbath rest thing very seriously.
I never lived in Loma Linda, but my little sister did and she received her BSN from the university. I am very familiar with their lifestyle because I went to an adventist boarding school for 3 years of high school and first year of college. In the high school, I was basically forced into being vegetarian and going to church every Saturday. The cafeteria did not serve meat and they took roll at church so no one was allowed to miss it. On Saturdays, they didn't allow work (even cafeteria workers had to prepare the Saturday meals the night before before sundown), TV watching, etc.. All we could do was read, hang out with friends, sleep, or take walks on the school's private beach.
I actually was very against vegetarianism for a while because I got really sick from the diet. I was badly anemic from not getting enough iron and needed to depend on supplements. And also vitamin B12 is one vitamin that I don't believe you can get from plant products. But overtime I've come to believe that a diet with minimized meat is the best way to go. One has to be very educated on nutrition to let go of meat completely and be healthy though.
M.,
I am with you regarding enjoying the taste of food. It's important. And there are always ways of cooking what you love in a healthier way without taking away too much of the good taste. You can train your brain to find foods tastier that you normally wouldn't. It just takes time, discipline, and the desire and motivation to get healthy.
Just shows that you don't know what protein is. But I've long ago come to the conclusion that you are intransigent, stagnant in your thinking. You've decided that you already have all the information you'll ever need, and there is no possibility that you are wrong.
And even though your "plantation" stuff is beyond played out, you stick to it...like you stick to your "monkey virus juice" standby. Shame. You give the same responses over and over and over again. It's a wonder you don't bore yourself.
When are you going to figure out that visiting your site is like visiting the circus...or more precisely the side show. It's always amazing to find people who actually think as you do. Whatever.
Chittlins seem wrong in every way! They are the viscera intestines of a pig! I wanna vomit! Gag!
If you are eating chittlins, you are eating fecal material. You might as well stuff your face with swine shit topped with some gravy and a side of potatoes. So-called "foodies" can savor that and call it a delicacy. Shit is in fact what you are eating. Thinking about it makes me wanna gag.
I have to stop writing now, or I might puke all over my computer.
what tickles me Mahndisa, is that if any of these Olive Garvey-ite folk trying to assert control over their diets as a proxy for lack of control over their lives only took a peek at the typical Japanese, chinese, or southeast asian diet - they'd find more than enough pork there to be utterly shocked and mortified - including of course, lots of savory offal.
Why little pigs used to be the protein foundation of the Haitian diet until "know it all/know better" meddlers engineered the slaughter of all those little swine.
Keep on eatin chitlins in full comfort of the knowledge that it just makes you a plantation coblanasian just like a couple billion others - international/worldwide....,
The status obsessed, wasteful lifestyle peddled hereabouts as expressive of "freedom" is the absolute antithesis of what humans who make it across the bottleneck will find themselves having to do.
Kid yourself all you want about whether this is a fear-mongering control gambit, or, the simple facts of the matter.
There are solutions, and there are those of us who work quite diligently on these, and then, there are other folks channeling pseudo-scientific garbage from old dead Birch Society doyennes fearful of their inevitable death and obsessed with controlling their diets, their bowels, and anything else they could do to escape the inevitability of their impending nothingness....,
Hehehe although appeals to the masses have never er appealed to me;), what you say makes sense. Evolution shows us that humans didn't start thinking in abstract ways UNTIL the consumption of meat proteins.
On a more serious note, food isn't something just to take in to get nourishment. Why do we have taste buds? Food is inextricably tied to cultural rituals and its role should not be minimized. Whenever I prepare chitlins, after the painstaking effort of washing them for seven hours, boiling them, seasoning them and then crock-potting them, I can't help but think of my ancestors who ate chitlins because they had nothing else to eat. Making chitlins and consuming them is honoring their sacrifice. Eating chitlins also honors the animal because we are using ALL parts of it and not wasting anything. This is what I truly believe in my heart. Not to mention the fact that I like the way they taste; especially when prepared similar to tripas. If the world is coming to an end as we know it, then resourcefulness will be of the utmost importance. Usually, those who are living in war zones and or under totalitarian oppression don't have access to everything they'd LIKE to eat, but generally eat what they MUST to survive. If shit came to shit, I would eat ANYTHING necessary to keep me alive and necessary to keep my family alive.
It bothers me that we've become so politicized with food that we look our noses down on some aspects of our cultural heritage.
I saw an argument on another thread saying that consuming cows milk takes away from baby cows, which is utter nonsense. Milk is produced when it is needed. Baby cows ain't starving none.
There are 6 tastes according to Ayurveda: Sweet, Sour, Salty, Pungent, Astringent, and Bitter. Excess in sweet, sour, and salty foods leads to obesity, unwanted growths, tumors, and stagnation.
The typical American diet consists of three tastes: sweet, sour, salty. French fries and ketchup, steak and BBQ sauce, mac and cheese, etc. Meat is mainly sweet, and salty. The ancient knowledge of food as a medicine must be resurrected or our future generations will quickly start resembling these steroid injected, hormone filled, unhealthy animals we see in American Farms.
Bitter cleanses the liver. Pungent helps break up phlegm. Astringent help reduce fat. Actually all the above help reduce fat. Add these tastes to your diet.
Taste has a profound effect on the psychology of the mind and the health of our vital organs. This is a lot of knowledge to drop...so I will try to keep it simple. The latest discoveries of modern science seem like echoes compared to the ancient wisdom of nature based civilizations. During an outbreak of e.coli, the US government gave a grant to The University of Kansas to find a substance that could kill this deadly bacteria. They discovered a common culinary spice known as clove did the job. Scientific studies have been conducted on other spices like turmeric, garlic, and ginger exposing their inherent medicinal properties. Columbus forgot to ask the Indians what other properties these miraculous spices had besides preserving meat. Don't wait till modern science tells you something is good. Trust the ancient wisdom. Check out what Ayurveda can do for you...
DV, thanks for continuing to expose the world to Truth. Truth shatters ignorance.
SHE I agree with everything you've said. Although I am a nth generation American and I know very few people who eat the way you've described, still many of us are reliant upon processed foods with nasty additives.
I also agree that food can be medicine. In fact, an acquaintance used meat as a medicine not too long ago. She has severe endometriosis and anemia. She had been a vegan for twenty years. Her doctor advised her to eat some RED MEAT to help her deficiencies and advised that she had to have SOME animal protein at least once a week or so.
Her health has greatly improved. What bothers me about many of these comments is that some people feel they are on a moral high ground because they don't eat meat and then talk shit about its benefits.
While I would never actively encourage anybody to eat processed meats, it bothers me that meat is equated to murder automatically when that is hardly the case.
We probably shouldn't mack down hamburgers every night; common sense could indicate that...however demonizing meat is not cool.
Just as raw milk has been used as a cure or treatment for disease or infirm conditions, meat can be as well. This is a wholistic approach.
I had pneumonia a few years back right before I got pregnant. My husband was laid off, no health insurance, and the pneumonia was a chronic condition (at that time in my life). I was craving two things: dandelion greens and tripas or menudo with lots of garlic. I firmly believe that these foods helped to save my life, since I was not under the care of a doctor, did not take antibiotics and KNEW the bug that was affecting me. From previous times, the organism was a mycoplasma.
I know that garlic has antibiotic affect and know that menudo is used for hangovers. In my case, my stomach was all messed up from the bug and the menudo helped to cleanse it. The tripe absorbs a lot of garbage that you excrete.
Not all meat products are bad! The dandelion greens and their juice acted as a bronchiodialator, antiinflammatory and aided in digestion.
YES She, we really should look at the ancient body of knowledge regarding food.
CNu Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans. Playing a numbers and pictures game does not answer HOW the 'excessive' herds shall be culled. The only way for the world's figure to come down to 100million would be a Chernobyl disaster on a grander scale - which would mean a whole continent would be uninhabitable. Or in present-day crisis should Haiti have been left without aid? Or should the starving or warring nations of Black and Brown peoples be left to die?...Sounds very much like cleverly disguised Cracker talk to me.
IMO the problem is consumption; the film quickly glosses over the touchy subject of consumption, yet the distribution and consumption of resources is heavily skewed in favour of places where these Malthusianists are resident.
I believe sustainablity is possible; if the UN predictions are right that the world's population will level off and fall after 9bln AND consumption patterns change.
I don't know how you propose to get through the 'bottleneck', but for me there is no bottleneck; just arguing that Yeshua feeds the multitudes.
"Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans" KW
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All that SciFi Comic Book Dooms Day Peak Oil Population "Bomb" Misanthropic "Biological Glob", "4 Legs Good 2 Legs Bad" shit is Malthus who aint nothing but a FreeMasonic springboard for Luciferian apotheosis.
Whewwwww ...
The Pro Pork stance should have tipped you off Kay Duuub.
What bothers me about many of these comments is that some people feel they are on a moral high ground because they don't eat meat and then talk shit about its benefits.
morality has nothing whatsoever to do with it Mahndisa.
without exception, the proponents of 3rd and 4th generation Jensenism hereabouts (all that acidic/alkaline rubbish) are simply off on a delusional self-control jag.
Problem is, much like iridology and colonic cleansing, (the other lesser emphasized aspects of Jensenism) - it's just so much neurotic nonsense having no bearing on one's general health and well-being.
To the extent that some of these folks accidentally work themselves into a steady-state hypocaloric intake routine, that might indeed have some long term benefits - and if hypocaloric diets were being intelligently advocated - then there might be something worthwhile here to listen to.
But that is decidedly not what is being peddled at denmarkvesey.
Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans.
Malthus gets an undeservedly bad rap for pointing out the simple fact that food supplies can only be increased linearly, while populations tend to increase exponentially - with the resultant mismatch yielding a great deal of unnecessary suffering. But then, these humans have repeatedly shown themselves to be no more prudent or rational in matters of collective self-governance than yeast.
With the possible exception of post Tokugawa feudal Japan which managed to implement and sustain a zero-population growth cultural self-governance strategy for nearly 400 years, keeping the human population of the Japanese islands at a very sustainable 28 million person level.
Playing a numbers and pictures game does not answer HOW the 'excessive' herds shall be culled.
The very fact that the means to accomplish this end have been manufactured and stockpiled to some incredible multiple of necessary quantity is more than sufficient to persuade me of its inevitability.
The only way for the world's figure to come down to 100million would be a Chernobyl disaster on a grander scale - which would mean a whole continent would be uninhabitable.
Nonsense.
There are at least a half a dozen biological weapons stockpiled in at least 6 national arsenals (US, UK, Russia, Japan, Iran, Israel) in sufficient quantity to do the job very expeditiously.
Lets see: anthrax , ebola, Marburg virus, plague , cholera , tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Coccidioides mycosis , Glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus , Psittacosis, yellow fever , Japanese B encephalitis , Rift Valley fever, and smallpox - have all been efficiently weaponized through multiple delivery vectors and would do the job very nicely.
Not to mention multiple biological weapons targeted at agricultural production, when WW-III breaks out in earnest, the primary concern is not going to be devastating populations, (that's a given) rather, it'll be containment as against the collateral or blowback effects from some of the agents used against target populations.
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take 'em to the basement tie 'em up and feed them pork sausages"
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Not sure what that was but it doesn't have anything to do with real food, which includes pork.
Enjoy your vegetables.
vegetarianism is environmental homosexuality....,
eat as many lovingly prepared piglets and chicks as you can get your hands on.
"Not sure what that was but it doesn't have anything to do with real food, which includes pork." Dorcas' Daddy
DD,
Pork, meat, swine, hog, ham, bacon, ribs or chops.
Call it what you want. This is 99% of the "pork" consumed in America.
These are Cloned ... Genetically Modified ... Pig FRANKENSTEINS euphemistically termed "pigs" to give Plantation Negros the warm fuzzy illusion that they are still eating real food.
People who eat these pigs do as much damage to their bodies as the pigs fed genetically modified corn.
Look at the people waddling in and out of Walmart to buy this stuff.
They look just like the animals they are eating.
There's really nothing to 'argue about'.
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Tofu and "meat substitutes" are Vegetarian Pork.
Genetically modified Food Imposters.
Vegetarians who eat that are Plantation Negros too.
Oh yes, I see--I always forget that I'm a 1%er, nothing weird like this going into my body. I chat with the dude who kills my pig, he can tell you who its momma was and what kind of (organic) table scraps it likes. You have created a strawman. Just because million of morons eat this garbage does not mean that this garbage is pork. It's no more pork than that GMO cotton oil (seriously, cotton oil?) is a vegetable.
What are you putting in your body?
I'm an omnivore descended from carnivores and I only eat the best food I can get my hands on. Veggies add flair, but the ideal food-- that means animals.
But we can't feed 6 billion people without CAFO pork and grain. But you can feed yourself and your loved ones.
Yeah, what you're showing here is nasty, but it's also not pork as far as I'm concerned.
True. The point of being vegetarian is to eat vegetables. Quorn is crap, IMO.
Those claims are only true if more people eat homegrown British beef. If there was an astronomical increase in the demand for tofu and soy sausages, I sincerely doubt those companies would spend more money clearing tracts of rainforest land to farm soya when the same soya they feed to the cows are the same fed to humans as Quorn. It doesn't make good business sense. Wouldn't it rather be a matter of re-directing feeds?
This article is exemplary of how to confuse people. Researchers publish conflicting studies all the time - and sometimes the media pushes it to the masses if its in their intere$t$. The Daily Mail does exactly this and has perfected the art of scaremongering and quoting people out of context.
As long as pig eaters don't cast stones at those that eat dog or human fetus soup its cool.
That's like tripp'n on someone for rocking LA Gear Jordan rip-offs and they got some Chuck Norris solo-flex sneakers on their feet.
GMO, franken food etc., etc. If none of thats stuffs bother you try this:
Taenia solium
Biggest issue in the processing plant above. It starts in the cute little piggies feet and nothing but nothing gets rid of it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium
http://www.drugs.com/condition/taenia-solium-pork-tapeworm.html
"Doctors at Arizona's Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale believe the taco contained Taenia solium, a parasite that is surprisingly common in Latin American countries, and is often transmitted by eating pork.
Becerra said the snack made her ill for three weeks. And soon after, she began suffering seizures.
"I was tired and sick so it made it more difficult," she said. "I knew that this wasn't the way I wanted to live the rest of my life, with seizures."
She found that anti-seizure medication did not help her, and her condition worsened.
Doctors at the Mayo Clinic discovered Becerra had neurocysticercosis - a lesion in her brain, caused by the parasitic worm.
Last November, she was told that if she wanted to live a normal, seizure-free life, she would need surgery.
As an egg, the worm attached itself to the intestinal wall, and eventually moved into her blood stream and to her brain, said Dr. Joseph Sirven, who operated on Becerra."
Here's something on soya farming, I think meat industry might jst own the title enviromental homosexuality:
In 1998 the UK imported over 2,000,000 tonnes of soya products, mainly from the USA and Brazil, over half for animal feed. It is cheaper for UK farmers to rely on 'ghost hectares' of intensively-grown soya abroad, often in developing countries, than to rely on home-produced high-protein feed alternatives.
Transporting soya over 5000 miles to end up as a feed for intensively-reared livestock in the UK has serious environmental implications. The ghost hectares abroad for feeding British livestock (400,000 hectares in 1995) can undermine food and land security in exporting countries. In Brazil alone an area of 13 million hectares (equivalent to England and Scotland combined) is devoted to growing soya. This crop has replaced thousands of square miles of small farms, whilst its highly mechanised cultivation has contributed to unemployment and rural migration.
Perhaps we all can learn something from the places known as the Blue Zone. These are places in the world that produce the highest number of healthy centenarians. There are only five in the world:
Sardinia, Italy
Okinawa, Japan
Loma Linda, Ca
Nicoya Peninsula, Costa Rica
Icaria, Greece
What these five places have in common is that they mostly eat a mediterranean diet; nuts, seeds, vegetables, beans, breads, fish, and fruits. What is more important is that they eat whole, unprocessed foods, Dairy and red meat are the most limited. Their healthy lifestyle is more than diet and exercise though; it also includes family life, social community, and faith.
It is interesting to note that the only blue zone in the U.S. is Loma Linda, CA, a city filled with a community of people of the Seventh Day Adventist faith. I'm not one to push any particular religion on anyone, but it does raise the question if there is something about spiritual life that also has an impart on a healthy long life. The seventh day adventists in Loma Linda live an extra decade longer than the rest of the U.S. population. They suffer a fraction of the diseases that commonly kill people in other parts of the developed world and they enjoy more healthy years of life.
DV is onto something here y'all. Here is a quick Good Morning America clip on the lifestyles of people in the blue zone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcCm2POXyhA&feature=PlayList&p=13A4D1137AACDD97&index=0&playnext=1
As long as pig eaters don't cast stones at those that eat dog or human fetus soup its cool.
That is disgusting. Some think culture is truth, or they simply don't think. Culture is too a religion, hellooo...
I know it is not time yet, but there will be a day where humanity starts to have more compassion for "lesser" beings, besides pork being the shiznizzle, healthy or not. Animal Farm is a good book.
Some of you guys up here have fallen into politicizing your food too much. What ever happened to ENJOYING food?
Saying that the body can do with less might be true, but what about the sensation of eating, smelling, chewing and swallowing some good food!
Meat is brain food! Meat is necessary for most humans. Grassfed beef, raw milk and fresh veggies are the best way to eat and live. There is nothing wrong with enjoying what you eat.
Yes, I've had friends who were bulimic and anorexic vegans before. They used veganism to cover up their true eating disorders. Ever try eating a steak around a bulimic or anorexic? IT fucking sucks!!!!
As to the Seventh Day Adventists, they are interesting because they have a restrictive diet AND they are intensely spiritual with a desire to advance technology. Loma Linda University was one of the first schools I knew of with a medical cyclotron back in the day.
Mahndisa said,
"Saying that the body can do with less might be true, but what about the sensation of eating, smelling, chewing and swallowing some good food!"
That's all in the mind.
The less you eat over a longer period of time the less enchanted you are by the taste or smell of food. Having said that, I don't think anyone's chanelling orthorexic tendencies. Everyone on the thread seems to enjoy eating and has chosen what suits them best. Eating healthy will always be a highly politicized subject among non-meat, selective-meat and full-on meat eaters. That's jst the way it is.
Quorn is crap, IMO....
I sincerely doubt those companies would spend more money clearing tracts of rainforest land to farm soya when the same soya they feed to the cows are the same fed to humans as Quorn.
lol,
Quorn has nothing whatsoever to do with soy. the third reich was the first to experiment with and perfect mycoprotein meat substitutes. Quorn, wonderful quorn, however, is a uniquely British vat grown mycoprotein product named after the small town.
there'll be MUCH MUCH more such crap on the menu in the years to come - oh, that and tasty, succulent long pig - for those few who manage to make it through the bottleneck....,
Stop plagiarizing my thoughts KonWomyn. Totally not cool.
Gee-Chee : ) Lol!
Aight then, thought it was soya. Still crap. If Quorn is made from fungus in a vat and processed into crap then that Daily Mail article contains yet another big untruth:
"meat substitutes imported from abroad such as tofu and Quorn would increase the amount of land cultivated, raising the risk of forests being destroyed."
KW - the DailyMail may be crap, but then again, it may just be trying to let you all down easy before the other shoe drops - vat grown meat and GMO vegetables from thanet earth are going to become cherished mainstays in the post-peak UK.
@ NEA - I lived in Loma Linda for one hot minute.
There are no bars and only one market sells alcohol.
The SDA's don't eat pork at all and limit their meat products to eggs, milk and yogurt.
The other towns in the Blue Zones seem to limit their calories but still eat some types of meat.
"That's all in the mind.
The less you eat over a longer period of time the less enchanted you are by the taste or smell of food."
How does that work? Measuring out portions and being modest in ones consumption doesn't necessarily translate into less enchantment with yumminess.
You are not a foodie! I am. That is the difference. I love to see, smell and taste aromas and experience the wonderousness of all things animal and vegetable. Indeed, I even make chitlins. Do they eat those where you are from?
I ain't eatin' no hydro.
There's enuff talk abt Thanet Earth and right-minded people are not in support of this abomination.
Since labour-based farming is no longer the future, this has massive implications for Lithuanian and Polish migrants coming to work on farms. On a global scale - what now is the future for the workforce of large estates owned by multi-national corps in South America and Africa?
Even for the locals; 550 people work in a glass monstrosity that provides 15% of the country's salad needs. That don't seem right.
And what GMO nation will flavorless hydro tomatoes and cucumbers feed - why not the sheeple's staple, the flavorless potato?
These are some interesting designs on vertical farms in NYC
Mahndisa,
Don't get me wrong I L.O.V.E to eat, I won't say no to a plate of food, unless I'm fasting. It's not so much the food; it's more abt the fast. The more you do it the less you think abt food, because the body has become used to not eating and it's abt spiritual growth.
Nah they don't chitlins, but they eat trotters and some eat parts of the head. Beef and chicken intestines, feet and heads are also eaten.
KW, tell us about hydro if you don't mind.
South America and Africa need the taste of GMO's before finding a solution.
Also, those designs are sick, back to ancient agriculture.
They eat cats where I am from, for real, no kiddin'. But some got nothing to eat. They eat everything there. I mean, I used to eat some of that. Chicken hearts, intestines, bovine's kidneys. Yummy... You guys had guinea pigs? rabbit? fish testes? rana? Oh! Rana Fisher, but I mean a type of frog. It tastes like chicken.
In other news...
I love all these health talks.
blackjohn,
I didn't know about the bars, but it doesn't surprise me since the community is strict on drinking and smoking. And yes, the strictest adventists don't eat meat at all and they take their seventh day sabbath rest thing very seriously.
I never lived in Loma Linda, but my little sister did and she received her BSN from the university. I am very familiar with their lifestyle because I went to an adventist boarding school for 3 years of high school and first year of college. In the high school, I was basically forced into being vegetarian and going to church every Saturday. The cafeteria did not serve meat and they took roll at church so no one was allowed to miss it. On Saturdays, they didn't allow work (even cafeteria workers had to prepare the Saturday meals the night before before sundown), TV watching, etc.. All we could do was read, hang out with friends, sleep, or take walks on the school's private beach.
I actually was very against vegetarianism for a while because I got really sick from the diet. I was badly anemic from not getting enough iron and needed to depend on supplements. And also vitamin B12 is one vitamin that I don't believe you can get from plant products. But overtime I've come to believe that a diet with minimized meat is the best way to go. One has to be very educated on nutrition to let go of meat completely and be healthy though.
M.,
I am with you regarding enjoying the taste of food. It's important. And there are always ways of cooking what you love in a healthier way without taking away too much of the good taste. You can train your brain to find foods tastier that you normally wouldn't. It just takes time, discipline, and the desire and motivation to get healthy.
What is Food?
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXpExvyGVpo
What is Food?
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIcTC3aaZsM&feature=related
Is it Hunger or Appetite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LOqeJYmkc&feature=related
Protein is protein. It's all the same after the ligament of Treitz.... eat what you want.
What you eat, don't make me shit.
"Protein is protein" DMG
How stupid.
Wrong.
Backwards.
Silly.
Anachronistic.
Pedestrian.
Peasant Like.
"What you eat, don't make me shit."
What Plantation Negros eat ... doesn't make them shit either.
Which is why you have a job slanging drugs for pharmaceutical companies treating diet related sickness with chemicals.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair
Just shows that you don't know what protein is. But I've long ago come to the conclusion that you are intransigent, stagnant in your thinking. You've decided that you already have all the information you'll ever need, and there is no possibility that you are wrong.
And even though your "plantation" stuff is beyond played out, you stick to it...like you stick to your "monkey virus juice" standby. Shame. You give the same responses over and over and over again. It's a wonder you don't bore yourself.
When are you going to figure out that visiting your site is like visiting the circus...or more precisely the side show. It's always amazing to find people who actually think as you do. Whatever.
M,
Chittlins seem wrong in every way! They are the viscera intestines of a pig! I wanna vomit! Gag!
If you are eating chittlins, you are eating fecal material. You might as well stuff your face with swine shit topped with some gravy and a side of potatoes. So-called "foodies" can savor that and call it a delicacy. Shit is in fact what you are eating. Thinking about it makes me wanna gag.
I have to stop writing now, or I might puke all over my computer.
Eat Vegetables Not Pig Intestines.
Go ahead and vomit if you want to. I could care less.More chitlins for me!
rotflmbao...,
what tickles me Mahndisa, is that if any of these Olive Garvey-ite folk trying to assert control over their diets as a proxy for lack of control over their lives only took a peek at the typical Japanese, chinese, or southeast asian diet - they'd find more than enough pork there to be utterly shocked and mortified - including of course, lots of savory offal.
Why little pigs used to be the protein foundation of the Haitian diet until "know it all/know better" meddlers engineered the slaughter of all those little swine.
Keep on eatin chitlins in full comfort of the knowledge that it just makes you a plantation coblanasian just like a couple billion others - international/worldwide....,
...And that 'strength in numbers' gospel is the very reason why self-extinction could be the inevitable fate of the human race.
Wrong KW.
Here is the problem in a nutshell.
The status obsessed, wasteful lifestyle peddled hereabouts as expressive of "freedom" is the absolute antithesis of what humans who make it across the bottleneck will find themselves having to do.
Kid yourself all you want about whether this is a fear-mongering control gambit, or, the simple facts of the matter.
There are solutions, and there are those of us who work quite diligently on these, and then, there are other folks channeling pseudo-scientific garbage from old dead Birch Society doyennes fearful of their inevitable death and obsessed with controlling their diets, their bowels, and anything else they could do to escape the inevitability of their impending nothingness....,
You too can be just like Olive was before she returned to dust.
Leaving a quack and a veterinarian to run her little temple of alimentary control. From the rooter to the tooter baby!!!
Cause you can never be too rich, too thin, or too in control of your own chitterlings....,
Hehehe although appeals to the masses have never er appealed to me;), what you say makes sense. Evolution shows us that humans didn't start thinking in abstract ways UNTIL the consumption of meat proteins.
On a more serious note, food isn't something just to take in to get nourishment. Why do we have taste buds? Food is inextricably tied to cultural rituals and its role should not be minimized. Whenever I prepare chitlins, after the painstaking effort of washing them for seven hours, boiling them, seasoning them and then crock-potting them, I can't help but think of my ancestors who ate chitlins because they had nothing else to eat. Making chitlins and consuming them is honoring their sacrifice. Eating chitlins also honors the animal because we are using ALL parts of it and not wasting anything. This is what I truly believe in my heart. Not to mention the fact that I like the way they taste; especially when prepared similar to tripas. If the world is coming to an end as we know it, then resourcefulness will be of the utmost importance. Usually, those who are living in war zones and or under totalitarian oppression don't have access to everything they'd LIKE to eat, but generally eat what they MUST to survive. If shit came to shit, I would eat ANYTHING necessary to keep me alive and necessary to keep my family alive.
It bothers me that we've become so politicized with food that we look our noses down on some aspects of our cultural heritage.
I saw an argument on another thread saying that consuming cows milk takes away from baby cows, which is utter nonsense. Milk is produced when it is needed. Baby cows ain't starving none.
About taste buds...
There are 6 tastes according to Ayurveda: Sweet, Sour, Salty, Pungent, Astringent, and Bitter. Excess in sweet, sour, and salty foods leads to obesity, unwanted growths, tumors, and stagnation.
The typical American diet consists of three tastes: sweet, sour, salty. French fries and ketchup, steak and BBQ sauce, mac and cheese, etc. Meat is mainly sweet, and salty. The ancient knowledge of food as a medicine must be resurrected or our future generations will quickly start resembling these steroid injected, hormone filled, unhealthy animals we see in American Farms.
Bitter cleanses the liver. Pungent helps break up phlegm. Astringent help reduce fat. Actually all the above help reduce fat. Add these tastes to your diet.
Taste has a profound effect on the psychology of the mind and the health of our vital organs. This is a lot of knowledge to drop...so I will try to keep it simple. The latest discoveries of modern science seem like echoes compared to the ancient wisdom of nature based civilizations. During an outbreak of e.coli, the US government gave a grant to The University of Kansas to find a substance that could kill this deadly bacteria. They discovered a common culinary spice known as clove did the job. Scientific studies have been conducted on other spices like turmeric, garlic, and ginger exposing their inherent medicinal properties. Columbus forgot to ask the Indians what other properties these miraculous spices had besides preserving meat. Don't wait till modern science tells you something is good. Trust the ancient wisdom. Check out what Ayurveda can do for you...
DV, thanks for continuing to expose the world to Truth. Truth shatters ignorance.
-SHE
SHE I agree with everything you've said. Although I am a nth generation American and I know very few people who eat the way you've described, still many of us are reliant upon processed foods with nasty additives.
I also agree that food can be medicine. In fact, an acquaintance used meat as a medicine not too long ago. She has severe endometriosis and anemia. She had been a vegan for twenty years. Her doctor advised her to eat some RED MEAT to help her deficiencies and advised that she had to have SOME animal protein at least once a week or so.
Her health has greatly improved. What bothers me about many of these comments is that some people feel they are on a moral high ground because they don't eat meat and then talk shit about its benefits.
While I would never actively encourage anybody to eat processed meats, it bothers me that meat is equated to murder automatically when that is hardly the case.
We probably shouldn't mack down hamburgers every night; common sense could indicate that...however demonizing meat is not cool.
Just as raw milk has been used as a cure or treatment for disease or infirm conditions, meat can be as well. This is a wholistic approach.
I had pneumonia a few years back right before I got pregnant. My husband was laid off, no health insurance, and the pneumonia was a chronic condition (at that time in my life). I was craving two things: dandelion greens and tripas or menudo with lots of garlic. I firmly believe that these foods helped to save my life, since I was not under the care of a doctor, did not take antibiotics and KNEW the bug that was affecting me. From previous times, the organism was a mycoplasma.
I know that garlic has antibiotic affect and know that menudo is used for hangovers. In my case, my stomach was all messed up from the bug and the menudo helped to cleanse it. The tripe absorbs a lot of garbage that you excrete.
Not all meat products are bad! The dandelion greens and their juice acted as a bronchiodialator, antiinflammatory and aided in digestion.
YES She, we really should look at the ancient body of knowledge regarding food.
CNu
Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans. Playing a numbers and pictures game does not answer HOW the 'excessive' herds shall be culled.
The only way for the world's figure to come down to 100million would be a Chernobyl disaster on a grander scale - which would mean a whole continent would be uninhabitable. Or in present-day crisis should Haiti have been left without aid? Or should the starving or warring nations of Black and Brown peoples be left to die?...Sounds very much like cleverly disguised Cracker talk to me.
IMO the problem is consumption; the film quickly glosses over the touchy subject of consumption, yet the distribution and consumption of resources is heavily skewed in favour of places where these Malthusianists are resident.
I believe sustainablity is possible; if the UN predictions are right that the world's population will level off and fall after 9bln AND consumption patterns change.
I don't know how you propose to get through the 'bottleneck', but for me there is no bottleneck; just arguing that Yeshua feeds the multitudes.
"Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans" KW
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You don't say.
All that SciFi Comic Book Dooms Day Peak Oil Population "Bomb" Misanthropic "Biological Glob", "4 Legs Good 2 Legs Bad" shit is Malthus who aint nothing but a FreeMasonic springboard for Luciferian apotheosis.
Whewwwww ...
The Pro Pork stance should have tipped you off Kay Duuub.
What bothers me about many of these comments is that some people feel they are on a moral high ground because they don't eat meat and then talk shit about its benefits.
morality has nothing whatsoever to do with it Mahndisa.
without exception, the proponents of 3rd and 4th generation Jensenism hereabouts (all that acidic/alkaline rubbish) are simply off on a delusional self-control jag.
Problem is, much like iridology and colonic cleansing, (the other lesser emphasized aspects of Jensenism) - it's just so much neurotic nonsense having no bearing on one's general health and well-being.
To the extent that some of these folks accidentally work themselves into a steady-state hypocaloric intake routine, that might indeed have some long term benefits - and if hypocaloric diets were being intelligently advocated - then there might be something worthwhile here to listen to.
But that is decidedly not what is being peddled at denmarkvesey.
Checked out your links and this borders on propagandstic idealism for Malthus' ideological Stans.
Malthus gets an undeservedly bad rap for pointing out the simple fact that food supplies can only be increased linearly, while populations tend to increase exponentially - with the resultant mismatch yielding a great deal of unnecessary suffering. But then, these humans have repeatedly shown themselves to be no more prudent or rational in matters of collective self-governance than yeast.
With the possible exception of post Tokugawa feudal Japan which managed to implement and sustain a zero-population growth cultural self-governance strategy for nearly 400 years, keeping the human population of the Japanese islands at a very sustainable 28 million person level.
Playing a numbers and pictures game does not answer HOW the 'excessive' herds shall be culled.
The very fact that the means to accomplish this end have been manufactured and stockpiled to some incredible multiple of necessary quantity is more than sufficient to persuade me of its inevitability.
The only way for the world's figure to come down to 100million would be a Chernobyl disaster on a grander scale - which would mean a whole continent would be uninhabitable.
Nonsense.
There are at least a half a dozen biological weapons stockpiled in at least 6 national arsenals (US, UK, Russia, Japan, Iran, Israel) in sufficient quantity to do the job very expeditiously.
Lets see: anthrax , ebola, Marburg virus, plague , cholera , tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Coccidioides mycosis , Glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus , Psittacosis, yellow fever , Japanese B encephalitis , Rift Valley fever, and smallpox - have all been efficiently weaponized through multiple delivery vectors and would do the job very nicely.
Not to mention multiple biological weapons targeted at agricultural production, when WW-III breaks out in earnest, the primary concern is not going to be devastating populations, (that's a given) rather, it'll be containment as against the collateral or blowback effects from some of the agents used against target populations.
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