Submariner said...
Since I've seen UBJ whom I greatly admire drop a few comments on these related threads, I feel obliged to do a bit of cognitive infiltration. An honest and fair appraisal would reveal that this debate has nothing to do with physiology and biochemistry. It's why I would suggest that DMG not take it so seriously. Slip a pebble of uncomfortable truth in Denmark Vesey's fashionable wing-tips and move on.
The ideas being milled here are not new nor revolutionary. It's a deep seated angst and fear of modernity that came about with rise of capitalism and was confirmed by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The only defense against this modernity are discipline and art.
That's why the opposition to vaccines and pharmaceuticals.
But of course, as our host acknowledges, discipline only goes so far. It certainly did not prevent his aching knee. And the prohibition against pharmaceuticals did not apply to the sedatives and narcotics used in the arthroscopic surgery to treat his modest ailment. Neither does detailed examination of synthetic compounds apply to the inks comprising his permanent body art.The concept of vaccination, for example, is verifiably not a creation of modern or even Western medicine. (Oh yes. West of what? Surefire rhetorical target.)
Furthermore, Denmark Vesey unknowingly revealed the depth of his crippled epistemology by promulgating that the introduction of attenuated viruses and bacteria can impair human functions but that exposure to naturally occurring microbes does not. And Louis Pastuer, contrary to the dishonest appropriation cited here, along with Robert Koch developed the germ theory of disease.
Certainly, this model is not perfect and doesn't explain every observation.We've come to learn that factors specific to the host are essential.
Good health is primarily determined by a functional immune system, with intact skin being the most important, serviceable roads, clean water and food, adequate sewage treatment and waste disposal, and good social relations.
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There are other cancer types which show a diminishing incidence. However, as I alluded to with the references to capitalism and nuclear weapons, you are justified in your fears and concerns.
But this bete noir of yours has nothing to do with alleviating the suffering of human beings just as the recent post on Tiger Woods had nothing to do with a genuine concern for his marriage or emotional wellbeing. These are vehicles for your convictions and your brand of idealism.
Discussions about health allow you to to advocate discipline. If someone is ill it's because they were vaccinated, made poor food selections, or took a prescription drug. Not because of toxic emissions from gasoline powered motor cars, tattoos, cell phones, or a fad diet.
With respect to social relations art becomes the overarching virtue. So male-female bonding is more visually pleasing than male-male or female-female pairing. This artistic sensibility extends to the indulgence of sexual partners. So whereas most observers focused on the lack of restraint Tiger Woods showed in his assignations you treated it as artistic license.
The lens of discipline, however, was applied to the behavior of a professor's recent encounter with a police officer but artistic prerogative, i.e.truth, was the standard for an athlete berating a referee or punching an opponent in the face or a rapper's interruption of an acceptance speech. Nowhere is this hermeneutic more fascinating to exercise than studying your treatment of Barack Obama.
While many, formerly including myself, view this as inconsistent or irrational, I've come to see this as the permutations of separate rational entities with different imperatives. One is art and the other is discipline.
Aaaaaahhhh I don't know about all that Sub.
But I do know I told you "Save Darfur" was a hoax.
It was a hoax.
I told you the "Green Revolution" in Iran and the death of Nada was made for TV.
It was made for TV.
I told you the "H1N1 Pandemic" was a hoax designed to enrich pharmaceutical companies.
It turned out to be a hoax designed to enrich pharmaceutical companies.
Submariner I told you the "vaccine" was largely untested and unsafe.
The "vaccine" was largely untested and unsafe.
I told you Obama was God's son and that he was elected Captain of a Hi-Jacked Titanic ... after it had been run into an iceberg ...
Hit me with a better explanation.
Submariner I told you Tiger's Mea Culpa was a "digital public stoning" and had little to do with Tiger. I told you it is actually a meme with far reaching implications regarding individuality, manhood, citizenship and dogmatic secularism.
Take my word for it.
As a matter of fact ... peep my archives.
I call a lot of shit in advance.
Because Sub,
I see past your polysyllabic civility and I detect a rather cliched appeal to authority and over-intellectualized conformity for the sake of conformity.
'DV. You can't possibly mean these things ... no one else said them."
'DV. You can't possibly mean these things ... you are not the first to say them."
"DV. Genetically modified food, cloned meat & High Fructose Corn syrup are not the ONLY reasons for cancer, diabetes and hyper-tension, or the reason alzheimer's is killing 100 times more people than AIDS! Everything in mod_er_a_tion!"
'DV. Yes there are over 780,000 Iatrogenic deaths each year due to adverse drug reactions, medical error, infection and unnecessary procedures ... but you did have arthroscopic surgery back in 1993!
So quit frontin' DV.'
Of course you mean these things. Your sincerity is not in doubt.
I think he called you schizo.
Right here:
While many, formerly including myself, view this as inconsistent or irrational, I've come to see this as the permutations of separate rational entities with different imperatives. One is art and the other is discipline.
Like art and schizo are two different warring entities housed in one body. That's an interesting take. Sometimes art is dominant, other times discipline is dominant; it all depends on the situation.
^^LOL
Whatever it is ... it certainly spawned some psychobabble right thurr.
This part always cracks me up. When cats start channeling Sigmund Freud instead of just
...
dropping
a
better
link.
So you didn't see that?
You didn't notice that on the other thread Submariner made "Discipline" his one word comment as if that was the dominant personality at that particular time?
Or, are you saying that you did notice that comment and you just think it's hogwash?
That was the first time I've ever seen someone called schizo so slickly. I was impressed with the way Sub did it.
Anyway, I'll leave y'all to hash it out.
I don't see it as schizophrenia. Discipline and art are just the main virtues through which he examines issues.
His convictions are just that. His convictions and unable to be adhered to in the exact same fashion by anyone else.
Biochemistry and pathophysiology are mere contraptions for a framework comprising theology rather than science. The difference is that he takes no risk.
You've heard him. His children were born in a world-renowned hospital. If anything went wrong he was nestled safely in the bosom of conventional allopathic, i.e. plantation, medicine. He also pays taxes. And he wears a seatbelt and fastens the kids when he drives. Nothing revolutionary or even nonconformist about these acts.
Damn Sub! You are the chorus in the Greek tragedy;)
and don't forget, he's the quintessential poster child - and activist advocate for - unsustainable conspicuous consumption too...,
LOL. ^^
The A Students rationalize their delayed comprehension with psychobabble conspiracy theories designed to obscure the obvious: their Plantation Emperor has no clothes.
I guess it is easier to reduce, than it is to explain why cloned pig meat, dismembered on an assembly line and soaked in urine, is not all that bad of a thing for people to eat.
It is certainly is easier than trying to convince people that grown men with titties is a not only a good look ... but "The Way of The Warrior".
Characterizing the diversity of expression that is Denmark Vesey as inconsistency is like calling Ali's dancing indecisive and his jab ... offbeat.
Come on Sub.
You got Big Man and CNu so eager to see you do to DV what they couldn't do ... they're wearing pompoms and doing splits.
Tell us again.
The $Trillion Plantation Medicine business does more good than harm because _________________ _______________ ?
"The difference is that he takes no risk. "
Au Contrare Mon Frere
What is "riskier" than a hospital?
What is "riskier" than eating factory meat?
What is "riskier" than 100 million doses of vaccines with live attenuated viruses?
The appreciation of the Holocaust Industry you euphemistically call "allopathy" had something of a learning curve.
They got first baby with a handful of "vaccines".
They got my second with 1.
They got my last with none.
They got the first baby with the epidural.
The second and 3rd none.
Breast fed all three.
Eat as organic and unprocessed as we can. Kids have never had factory meat. No farmed fish.
No autism. No ear infections. Few colds. No allergies (accept my boy with vaccines). Good grades (accept Snack in math) Run. Catch. Tackle & Fight.
Aint nobody in the family had a plantation drug since. Not even an aspirin.
Sub, you confuse Health with Sanction. You speak as if the medical apparatus of the Plantation is somehow a ... safe harbor.
Please look at the products of the Evil Triplet of Plantation Food, Plantation Pharmaceuticals & Plantation Medicine.
Diabetes, cancer, obesity, autism, infertility, heart disease ... slow, multi-generational, death.
I mean it's not all bad. You can extend the lives of cancer victims. You can extend the lives of AIDS patients. You can prescribe drubs for ADD. You can perform liposuction on the obese.
But where is the 'health' in Health Care? Where is the healing in allopathy?
Other than my arthroscopy in 1993?
More plantation "discipline":
Serious birth defects linked to the agricultural chemical atrazine
http://www.naturalnews.com/028222_atrazine_birth_defects.html
@DV
"Please look at the products of the Evil Triplet of Plantation Food, Plantation Pharmaceuticals & Plantation Medicine."
I think that you left off a fourth sister -Plantation Justice System. :)
"Doctor Gets Court Order to Confine Pregnant Woman Against Her Will"
http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/doctor_gets_court_order_to_confine_pregnant_woman_against_her_will
For the record, I just thought Submariner's comment was funny. I always appreciate good use of language.
As for me wearing pom poms, I didn't see it.
I don't believe I've ever tried to spar with you about "Plantation medicine," or "Plantation food."
From what I've seen, that turns into a battle of copy and paste and links, which, frankly, is a little tedious to read.
Besides, I haven't made up my mind who is right, the natural acolytes or the traditional medicine folks.
I'm pretty much operating on a case-by-case basis when it comes to vaccines and food. If I feel like it's smart, I do it. If I feel like it's stupid, I don't. I don't have the same hard and fast convictions as the rest of y'all when it comes to those two topics...
Back to the background.
Not so fast Big Man.
Once again you have arrived at the fork in the road ... and tried to go straight.
There really aint no room for both sides of the fence in this discussion.
And to be honest, you do quite a few things, you know are stupid.
Like eating eating cloned animals created in a factory.
Think about what you are saying: "I haven't made up my mind who is right, the natural acolytes or the traditional medicine folks."
What is traditional about chemotherapy?
What is traditional about a multi-billion dollar vaccine industry?
What is traditional about Genetically Modified Food?
What is traditional about cloned chickens with genetically enhanced breasts?
What is traditional about Statin Drugs?
What is traditional about antibiotics?
What is traditional about High Fructose Corn Syrup?
No Big Man.
Disagree with me if you want. But please understand my point.
Allopathy is neither "Traditional" nor is actually "Medicine".
It is a business.
It operates like a religion.
Its practitioners are priests.
Its customers behave like members of a cult.
You don't "believe" Big Man.
You have faith.
Not trying to do anything 'to' you sir but treat you with respect and dignity. Merely engaging in some selective cognitive infiltration for the benefit of your readers. You know I generally avoid these threads.
As I said earlier I enjoined the conversation only because I saw UBJ on the scene. Hopefully he and others will consider another perspective. They may very well agree with your conclusions. I agree with a lot of what you write. If I didn't then I would treat this forum like Fox News. But I must say that if I felt as strongly as you do about modern medicine then I would never have even had my child delivered in a hospital or succumbed to intervention for a mere toothache of the knee.
Not calling you inconsistent either. Quite the opposite actually. Just making your readers aware of how you submerge the conflicting imperatives of art and dispicline or, in the specific cases of your children's births and your arthroscopically reconstituted knee, tensions between security and discipline.
You are beyond persuasion. I accept that. And not trying to subject you to ridicule or contempt either.
Oh, one story for your readers before stepping off. Two nights ago just as I was nearing the end of my shift (problems tend to arise just as you're about to go home) I was called by the nurse to the bedside of an eighty-something year old nursing home resident already admitted with pneumonia and waiting to go upstairs because of an acute drop in blood pressure and labored breathing.
The guy was definitely checking out. In three minutes he was successfully intubated by me. Then I had a chance to review his chart and recalled too late that he was a Do Not Resuscitate.
Unfortunately I ordered paralyzing and sedating agents for the guy so if I pulled the breathing tube and disconnected the vent he would definitely die. So because of my medical error he was admitted to the ICU and used valuable resources and manpower.
Medicine is practiced by human beings. With all our flaws and prejudices. My story probably confirms Denmark Vesey's suspicions and distrust. I could see that.
But for the fair-minded observer I hope it shows how medical errors and adverse outcomes especially in hospital based medicine can be more complex and less cynical than what passes for legitimate criticism here. For anyone interested, the incomparable Atul Gawande has a book on the subject worth reading.
DV
You once argued with me that "right" and "wrong" are subjective, but now you're telling me I can't walk straight.
That's funny.
Like, really, really funny. I'm actually chuckling.
I feel you Sub. Your discourse is a cool breeze.
Beyond persuasion?
How so?
I don't get the impression you are attempting to persuade.
But I am.
I am attempting to persuade you to use your influence as a medical doctor to reinvent the prevailing paradigm of Plantation Medicine.
Imagine the positive influence of a young bright black medical doctor extolling the virtues of natural and unprocessed foods while championing a NO TO GMO campaign as memetically powerful as the JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS propaganda peddled by the Reagan Administration in the 80's.
African-Americans view the practice of modern medicine much like former slaves viewed the government - as a savior.
They have been taught they need Health "Care" ... as if good health is a product to be given and taken away by some powerful monolith.
Not until that slavish relationship with the medical INDUSTRY is broken will African Americans take control of their health.
Until then they are glorified slaves with mortgages and credit card debt.
"But I must say that if I felt as strongly as you do about modern medicine then I would never have even had my child delivered in a hospital or succumbed to intervention for a mere toothache of the knee." Submariner
Modern medicine?
Is that what it is called?
That's awfully presumptuous Sub.
You are ignoring the monopolistic practices of the AMA.
Calling allopathy "Modern Medicine" is like calling The Federal Reserve, "Modern Banking".
It really misses the point.
Again. I didn't have my children yesterday.
I had them before I knew what I know today.
If I had a baby tomorrow it would be a completely Natural Birth.
He would NEVER see the inside of Cedars Sinai, a vaccine needle, circumcision cutters, blood samples, or epidurals.
If my knee started acting up again I'd be the first to get a little scope.
Why?
Because it works.
Why not the rest of Plantation Medicine.
Because it doesn't work.
So come on Sub.
Work with me. Let's write a book or something and get to the business of saving black folks lives.
It's cool to chuckle Big Man.
But the next time you are presented a plate of factory meat, the reality of what you are eating will cross your mind.
You will eat it anyway.
But the meme has been planted. Only a matter of time before it sprouts.
Mission Accomplished.
Oh, and this link is related to an earlier discussion about schools intruding on students.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/84715297.html?cmpid=15585797
Subby,
The other day I asked you about your feelings about Cass Sunstein (because you praised him the first time you spoke of CI) and did not hear back from you. This is your second time that you have used the term "Cognitive Infiltration(CI)" and not gotten checked for it.
In a 2008 academic paper Cass Sunstein, (Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs), advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups and websites that advocate "conspiracy theories/alternative thinking" like this one, and others surrounding 9/11, Anti- Health care, etc. etc.
He even wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.
Sunstein's article, stated that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."
By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories/alternative thinking have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. Therefore, Sunstein argues that, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.
Sunstein, also suggests that the government should "enlist nongovernmental officials" in the effort to rebut the theories. It might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."
Sunstein argued that "government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories." He suggested that "government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."
Sunstein advocates in his article for the infiltration of "extremist" groups so that it undermines the groups' confidence to the extent that "new recruits will be suspect and participants in the group’s virtual networks will doubt each other’s bona fides."
Ed Lasky at American Thinker said that Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors.'"
So subby, you told DV that "Not trying to do anything 'to' you sir but treat you with respect and dignity. Merely engaging in some selective cognitive infiltration for the benefit of your readers."
Do you achieve your goal by creating doubt "in the minds of the new recruits" and for whom? Discipline? Dude, There are no contradictions. whenever you find one check your premise.
I am just completed amaze how hard people fight for the viewpoint that the machinery is not corrupt (The Plantation). How much more proof do you people need? Good God.
Denmark
If that was your goal, I could have told you that you succeeded long ago.
All you had to do was ask.
Of course I think about the things I read here, why wouldn't I? What would be the point of reading the thoughts of all the folks here if I didn't think about those thoughts?
So, I've thought about abortion from different angles, food from different angles, healthcare, religion, sports, family life and several other issues.
Sometimes I think "I'm going to try that." Other times I think "Nah, that ain't for me."
I'm curious, did you think I would deny that or something? When have you known me to be a liar?
Hot Wax
Actually, I think you're off base good sir.
Submariner is engaged in one of the oldest activities here at Denmark Vesey.com. That would be the game of competing memes.
You and Denmark are advancing one meme, Submariner is advancing another. Our host places no limits on which memes can be advanced. That's why cats come here to try out their latest theories on how the world works.
So, if Sub is tweaking you and DV by using that phrase, or if he's honestly admitting to working for the government, what's the big deal?
He's advancing a school of thought. Folks have to make their own decision. There is nothing wrong with him presenting and opposing point of view, regardless of his motives.
Why does it bother you so much?
DV thanks for the compliment. I think you'd be surprised to learn how contrarian many of my colleagues are.
No offense Wax but you came at me wrong before and Mahndisa checked you on it. And the close of your last comment confirms that we have nothing to talk about.
Great question Big Man...
I have asked myself that question many time. Am I really my brother's keeper?
You see Big Man, I have been knowing a lot of this information for like 12 years (PE in the house) and every year it grows exponentially larger. I have been called every name in the book ESPECIALLY BY our kind in my fight against the Plantation. I have said to hell with my people many times. I never had the "nuts" or "guts" to lay it out like DV (I only Send out Daily emails to friends etc.) and take all the bullshit that goes with trying to enlightening people of color. However BM, if you can't take a look around you and see that the PTB has increased their sense of urgency to our demised, and that we do not have much time to sit and bicker about our survival is the crux of why it bother me so much. Fuck all the verbal sparring and rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. These mugga fugga are trying to kill you and your family(Forgot about the swine flu shot?) at a more rapid pace. (Chemtrail vs Contrail) Barium Sulfate anyone? Forget about the "dozens" with each other and lets learn how to fucking use some "nines" against these bastards.
It really bothers me in the fact that "we" sanction or oppressor, praise our looters, play victim and have no desire or moxie to fight.
Chill on the "witty" intellectual discourse stuff, we are in a war!!!!!!!
DV has challenged me(mentally) on the fact that I really don't care about my folks because I never had the courage to put it out there like he has, therefore I am trying really hard to support, but BM when people argue for why a poison is good for you and that you are a moron for even questioning the poison....that is why it bothers me so much.
Respect-
Sub,
Thanks for that eloquent and thought-provoking argument. You get my vote for the "Denmark Vesey's Intellectually Aggressive Thought of The Week" (No DV this isn't abt pompoms and cheers, I'm no Stan of the medical industrial complex; just recognizing game.)
Sub what's your moral and medical position on DNR orders; you referred to the patient as though he were a consumer of resources, an object and not a real person. Were you speaking merely in economic terms or is that how you feel about DNR patients?
Hot Wax
You are passionate about your position. Cool. Ain't nothing wrong with that and I can see that you feel like it's important that others get that information.
What I'm saying is that everybody here is passionate about their position. And, from what I can tell, there is no ban on opposing positions. Anybody gets to say anything about everything.
The only check is that your ideas get scrutinized and possibly attacked. I think that's fine.
You seemed to be trying to silence Submariner and you accused him of being a plant for the government. At least that's how I read your comment, please correct if I'm wrong. And your accusation was based on a phrase he used on several occasions.
My point was, whatever his motives, he only has keystrokes at his disposal. Like everybody else here. Outside of DV, everybody is on equal footing. All you gotta do is spit what you have to say, and folks will align themselves as they see fit.
So, even if Submariner is working for the feds (which I doubt, I think he was just clowning) all he has are words and ideas. And you and I and everybody else here have the same weapons. Now, you could be upset that "Plantation Medicine" has a larger platform than you, but that really isn't relevant on this blog. In this situation, it's a fairly even playing field.
A few more things.
I think the idea that black folks lack the will to fight is incorrect. Most black folks distrust the medical establishment and the government in general. Blacks folks are willing to listen if you give them a message that resonates with them.
I don't believe DV's purpose is to convert folks to his way of thinking. In fact, on numerous occasions he's said that's not his purpose. So, I don't think this blog is tool of conversion.
I can respect that you feel disrespected, but that's a normal thing around these parts. Hell, that's normal in life.
Blacks folks are willing to listen if you give them a message that resonates with them.
Is conspicuous consumption a necessary or desirable aspect of resonant messaging?
Big man,
Thanks for the feedback...Always looking for constructive criticism. Not trying to silence anyone. Not feeling disrespected. Not trying to put Deep Sub down.
The facts were:
Read his Blog Subrealism on Jan. 16? where he brought up CI and reference Cass. Saw 2 more references to it by him this week, therefore I ask him for feedback which he left alone. When I saw it today I called it like I "saw" it. It came across as subversive to me no matter how "kind and peaceful and well thought out it always might seems."
Advocating(using his terms) anything to do with Cass (CI) would be like DV saying that the president of Monsanto is the baddest moe foe on the planet.
Cass wants to poison and regulate what you and I are doing right now with these keystrokes.
Is he from the other side?
Like you said: Doesn't matter
Personal attack?
Not at all.
First time I was reactionary, second time- I own it 100%. I actually read Sub's website before I formed any opinion.
I welcome the scrutiny and hope that everyone gets what they need to get from DV's site.
Like you said -just keystrokes- no anger or hate to anyone. (just my viewpoint)
Namaste-
CNu
Necessary? I'm not sure, but I think it's effective.
Desirable? Depends on who you ask.
I think humans have a nature urge to consume, and all of us have a predilection towards greed. Conspicuous consumption is typically just a melding of those two impulses, with a little pride mixed in.
Hot Wax
I'm pretty sure, not certain, but fairly sure, that subrealism is CNulan's blog.
That's all.
Subrealism is the proprietary blog of CNulan.
I think humans have a nature urge to consume, and all of us have a predilection towards greed. Conspicuous consumption is typically just a melding of those two impulses, with a little pride mixed in.
conspicuous consumption is a core symptom of dopamine hegemony...,
dopamine hegemony is the antithesis of Black supremacy
the antithesis of Black supremacy is pure deviltry
here's a symptom of Black supremacy
imitation highest form of flattery
conspicuous Blackness?
accept no substitutes...,
My mistake BM.
On Subby's first comment where he mentioned CI , You click on the word CI and it sent you to a site called Subrealism and gives you the info on Cass and CI. I automatically assumed(go ahead insert joke here) that Subrealism and Subby had a tie in. Still relatively new in these part. However I did ask for feedback from Sub and got none which made me feel that his views were promoting Cass. Again it his continued choice to keep on using the words "cognitive infiltration" that gave me the hebbie jibbies.
But like I said , I am a big boy and can say that I was incorrect in saying the website was his but still feel rather strongly about his use of the term CI along with his methods of "producing the other side meme" and what it means to the free form discussions like the stuff on the blog. No harm, No foul.
Just wanted to call attention to CI and its meaning in this context. As I said BM it is never Personal. I wanted people to learn that creating doubt by subversive means has been out here for a long time .
Subs said that was not his intent. OK.
It is not.
Respect.
I've never seen anything like that video Cnu just linked to. I think I had a mild heart attack from lackosoulitis!
sheeeeeiiiiittttt......,
step away from the hatorade Mahndisa.
them arkansas ZTA girls brought it.
Unless of course, you mean to suggest that the audience was mistaken and that you see something that they all missed?
Heh! Yes, I've seen other sororities step and their well coordinated yet soulless performance truly paled in comparison.
Trust.
KW I was speaking in terms of the allocation of labor and matériel. I think you said once before you're in grad school. There's this wonderful (and short) book The Anthropology of Economy by Stephen Gudeman in which he divides economy between the realms of community and market. I highly recommend it.
The DNR is ethically and morally valid. Last year we had the experience of my wife's grandmother being taken to the hospital with pneumonia. This woman had a presumably cancerous lung mass and multiple medical issues but was cared for at home by her daughters.
I was not present but the ER doc persuaded the daughter to override the DNR and put her on life support. The woman had a protracted course in the hospital and died about a week later with all kinds of tubes and gadgets in her orifices and the family greatly distressed.
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