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"Oh Shit! ... GMO Food Sterilizes People ... And It's Really A Form of Population Control?"
"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider - founder Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
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Were We All Kunta Kinte? Or Are We Also Mansa Musa?
Barry Goldwater 1909-1998
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. "
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
"It Is Easier To Change A Man's Religion Than It Is To Change His Diet"
Private Prison Industry
2,000,000 human beings in American prisons and counting
IS THIS LITTLE GUY A PERSON?
The founders of the American state understood that the proper functioning of a democracy required an educated electorate. It is this understanding that justifies a system of public education and that led slaveholders to resist the spread of literacy among their chattels. But the meaning of "educated" has changed beyond recognition in two hundred years. Reading, writing, and arithmetic are no longer sufficient to decide on public policy. Now we need quantum mechanics and molecular biology. The knowledge required for political rationality, once available to the masses, is now in the possession of a specially educated elite, a situation that creates a series of tensions and contradictions in the operation of representative democracy.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. P
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Louis Pasteur
"The Microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything."
Beverly Johnson. Beverly Hills. 1978
"Bra! Tell Me About It!"
"Most of the trouble I have had in advancing the cause of the race has come from Negroes."
Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the The McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '
"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
Lord Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science On Society (Routledge Press: New York, 1951).
"At present the population of the world is increasing at about 58,000 per diem. War, so far, has had no very great effect on this increase, which continued throughout each of the world wars.. War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove effective. If a Black Death could spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. The state of affairs might be unpleasant, but what of it?"
Denmark Vesey For President 08
1. Troops Out Of Iraq Immediately. Like By Monday. 2. Money Owed To Haliburton and War Contractors Be Given Directly To The Iraqi People 3. Complete Electoral Reform 4. No Corporate Conglomerate Will Be Allowed To Control More Than 5% Of News Market 5. Federal Reserve Abolished 6. For-Profit Prison Industry Abolished
*George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist, critic
Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness... If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... The great enemy of clear language is insincerity... The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it... To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle... For a creative writer possession of the truth is less important than emotional sincerity.
“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society will be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.” – Zbigniew Brzezinski
God Don't Make No Mistakes
Gordon Parks 1912-2006
"I suffered evils, but without allowing them to rob me of the freedom to expand."
Great Grandmother Harris
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Bra, I just had like the longest talk about this with my uncle. It is just worthless. LOL
I don't know what else to do, I try to compose myself. But the slave loves to defend its masters.
Talkin' about gmo is to better nature? You know? I am like... Where or what in the world have we done better than nature? Better nature? with rat poison?
Can we even do that? How arrogant it sounds. We should question that first before even tryin'.
Better nature? talkin' about feeding growing populations would be impossible w/o gmo. So here they come, the masters to save our asses again, before we all overpopulate and get nothing to eat.
In the other hand, these same slaves talk about taking care of the planet and global warming and crap.
I am just pissed brother. That's all.
xD
We have to change the way we live, period.
... and stop being so dependent.
DV,
The worst thing that they do with all this corn is create High fructose Corn Syrup(HFCS).
Consuming High fructose corn syrup is essentially consuming fat!
HFCS is in everything. Take your local corner Mickey Dees. Most people have no idea that there are only 7 items on the entire menu that don't have HFCS. The mugga fuggas even put it into their hamburger meats and nuggets .
There is nothing that we could do including working out, dieting etc., etc, that will help us from being Pigs if we don't eliminate this from our diets. People have no clue that at the non local food market ( Krogers, Publix, etc.) HFCS is the number 1 ingredient in the food items on the shelf.
Dr. Mercola gives us the best lesson in regards to HFCS and what is happening to us. Straight up Genocide! ( For all the scientist, you will enjoy this one.) -play the clip.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/HighFructose-Corn-Syrup-Alters-Human-Metabolism.aspx
BTW, they are taking this nasty GMO corn and feeding it now to all "Farm raised" animals. For example, if you eat tilapia (no more wild caught in the US), you are eating a fish that is being fed GMO corn and GMO soy and duck feather for its diet. They never ate this stuff before!!! You wold be better off eating shoe leather from a health perspective. Eventually all of our animal protein foods(See movie :Food Inc) are being switch to an unnatural diet of GMO corn and GMO Soy as its food base. The harm that this will do anyone trying to remain healthy is mind blowing.
Pathetic Americans live on garbage food and thus they have no resistance to any sort of germs. Yes, believe it or not hamburgers have no ability to fight disease, only promote it. Then these ignorant drones move like sheep to the slaughter to get their vaccines. The toxins infect their little pin heads and cause them all sorts of harm. Then they go back to the quacks who injected the toxins into them looking for some magic bullet. The quack then searches his bag of tricks for more poison. In the end the ignorant drone is rendered a drug dependent drooling pathetic fool.
Anonymous,
You don't know how right you are about the garbage food. Most people have no idea that that the world reject about 65% of our food exports. Even Russia said that the plantation chicken was garbage and banned it!
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/01/russia-bans-us-poultry-over-chlorine/
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BU3MH20091231
Russia? For real!? ... hard up Russia calling our food dangerous..LOL. Have we really fallen that far?
I caught the tail-end of a health program the other day and the guest was discussing addiction; that most people these days are addicted to something, whether it is drugs, food or whatever, and that society purposely constructs it that way. He discussed the role of dopamine production in the brain and how this fuels addiction.
Got me thinking about what CNu has coined the dopamine hegemony.
II, I agree with that. We are all addicted to something in a sort of way. Society reminds the human being of its weaknesses and desires which are fulfilled with short satisfactions. Dopamine is a natural substance produced in the brain, usually associated with good feelings, satisfactions, etc.
Mild elevations in Dopamine are associated with addictions. Nicotine, cocaine, and other substances produce a feeling of excited euphoria by increasing Dopamine levels in the brain. Too much of these chemicals/substances and we feel “wired” as moderate levels of Dopamine make us hyperstimulated – paying too much attention to our environment due to being overstimulated and unable to separate what’s important and what is not.
In an ADHD child, low levels of Dopamine don’t allow the child to focus or attend to anything in the environment, looking very physically hyperactive when running about the room or switching from activity-to-activity due to their lack of focus. As Dopamine levels increase above the normal range, our ability to focus increases to the point of being paranoid. Mild elevations make the environment overly stimulating and excited.
Source
There are also some scientific studies that say addiction is genetic, which makes some sense.
From a personal and spiritual point of view, not scientific; there is always a need for something to fulfill our lives in some way, and most people tend to fulfill those gaps with drugs, alcohol, television, food, sex and short satisfactions. Very few strive for long enduring spiritual satisfactions.
Then people with these habits in my opinion are satisfied with "artificial happiness". A feeling stimulated in the brain by chemical substances. Our own beings experiencing life look always to find new things to satisfy the body and the mind, not the spirit as many confuse the mind with the spirit. The only way to satisfy the spirit is if your mind enters a state of silence, neutrality, no thinking. And this is beacuse the spirit also needs to feed itself with inner peace.
Everything we feel is in the brain, created in the brain and stimulated by the brain. In other words reality only exists in the brain. Everything we feel, see and touch is in the brain, not outside of us. But the majority of people don't understand its own universal divinity and satisfies themselves with outside material, not inner peace.
I feel you Ces. Religion was designed to help people overcome those addictive impulses - to help them achieve their higher selves.
It is no wonder that the same people pumping drugs, alcohol, caffeine and HFCS into our society are the same who have hijacked religion and rendered it largely useless at a time when it is needed most.
Purity of religion, just as purity of food, is a threat. What did ThorDaddy say - if you are healthy, you are a threat. A spiritually and physically healthy person is dangerous. Hmmm...
So get control of their brains, their dopamine levels, and you control them for life.
Substitute religion and healthy behavior for all sorts of perverse addictions and you have a society of slaves.
All grains are poison, they all need to be heavily processed to be palatable and release their energy. Gluten kills some people, corn makes you itchy and irritates cows so much they can barely keep it down.
But brainwashed vegetarians believe otherwise.
Of course, if we all ate tons of veggies, lots of meat and nuts, some seeds and fruit, we'd need a population crash.
But nevertheless, that's what your body evolved to eat--grains just allowed a 20,000 year old population explosion to occur. Doesn't mean they're good for you.
But you'd have to get over your irrational fear of meat. Pork is the shiznizzle, properly sourced and organic, preferably from a small, genetically nonhomogenous population.
You don't actually need ANY carbohydrates to survive, they are simply not required. But grains are not food, and vegetarianism is not your genetic destiny.
Can't wait for some Ahi, spinach salad, fruit and veggies tonight when I get home--all grass-fed local and organic, from small farms.
Might cost 5x what your dinner does but money is an illusion, and good food is as real as it gets.
Keep eating that organic soy & whole grain wheat if you like.
I'll fulfill what millions of years of evolution prepared me to consume, you keep eating that stuff we only started processing 1000 generations ago.
Dorcas' Daddy, please explain to me why you say all grains are poison?
What type of grains are you referring to? and how is it that we don't need any carbohydrates to survive?
Dorcas Daddy!
My Man.
I always liked this cat.
No punk ass conformist.
And he's right.
Grains aint too far away from eating sawdust.
But you can keep the swine bra.
Aint nothing wrong with it ... but you can keep the swine bra.
WE ALL AINT SUPPOSED TO EAT THE SAME THING.
Any more than we are all supposed to wear the same clothes.
I look best in British cut flannel. Side vents. Brioni. My shit gotta hang right. No what I'm saying.
CNu can rock the Star Trek line at Walmarts cuz he can pull it off.
So ya'll pork eaters go 'head.
But peeps with cocoa butta complexions can't eat swine anymore than peeps with Ferraris can pump it full of cheap gas.
Ces, I read your posts, you are a curious smart guy, and I have enough respect for you to say-- do like my grandma said and LOOK IT UP.
But it's crazy what you learn when you seek knowledge not conventional wisdom.
I'm not anti all carbs, but they are not necessary. Fat is necessary, protein is necessary, vitamins and minerals and antioxidants--all needed.
But carbs are optional. And that's truth. I eat veggies for carbs (local & organic), but even without them I'd live a long healthy life.
C'mon you read this website, don't tell me you still believe everything you're taught.
Maaaan, all this talk makes breatharianism and conscientious tax objection seem like very, very rational choices. Why should one pay taxes to subsidize the production of mutant 'food' of GMO farms? Indirectly it's like involutarily agreeing for companies like Pfizer and McDonalds to pimp their poison.
And how can one ever really know if what they are eating is farmed naturally. How organic is organic? Acid rain still falls on the farms or land previously toxic decades ago is where the farm is now. And just because it's organic, it does not mean it's handled 'organically' i.e with care by the distributors. Documentaries on food distribution shows what goes on behind the scenes and it would be almost naive to think organic food is not handled the same way.
Like anything else, it's an industry, there's money to be made for the least possible cost of supposedly quality food. There are big dollars to be had from people who wanna eat rite and live long, so in a way you are still getting screwed by the Plantation when you go organic. IF possible, the best thing is to grow your own...or live on water and sunlight ; )
Dorcas Daddy,
I believe your statement on "Grains" and the "spiritual "of what you are trying to say. Grains have really never been necessary and according to Dr. Atkins(ATKINS DIET) regarding the invent of Agriculture by the Egyptians," was the worst thing that ever happened to Human health". However, I am probably the biggest Health Nut that you will ever meet, and just like previous post the symbols(words) we use might be screwing us up in regards to the use of the term "carbs". The 3 things we ingest when we eat are ; Protein, Carbs, or fats. Therefore the veggies that you talk about are considered "carbs " and in my research in this field is that the body really can't discriminate as much as we think it can in its search for nutrients while processing starch, protein , or fats from a very simple viewpoint. It is all the other variables(i.e. refined ), assimilation, amounts, nutrient content, enzymes and structural makeup of each. However, you are right and most Holistic Drs. that I have visited with say that you can get more from the cardboard box of grains than the grains itself.
Back to "Nutrients" and the "digestive process" for a quick minute for a point - Other factors my be more critical. It would not matter what we eat for example if you use a microwave to heat, because all of the digestive enzymes and nutrients would be destroyed. Empty useless calories to be stored would be all that happen . It's call Irradiation. The PTB has found out that this is cool and now has a plan under Codex and the WHO to irradiate all foods(veggies and fruits too) coming and going into this country and the World via the WTO in order to protect us:). Put anything "Organic" thru an irradiation process and it becomes useless. In the end it will always comeback to how will we get the nutrients that we really need for sustenance? Dick Gregory was the king of this . He survived for years via fasting and a simple Bahamian Powder(Chockfull of the right nutrients).
Dorcas' Daddy, I will LOOK IT UP.
But you really confuse me, carbs are in every food, there is no "avoiding it". Unless you mean carbs from seeds and grains specifically.
But if you consume fruits like cucumbers or tomatoes, I mean aren't you eating its seeds too? kiwi, do you take the seeds out?
I eat veggies for carbs (local & organic), but even without them I'd live a long healthy life.
How, what would you eat that doesn't have carbs?
C'mon you read this website, don't tell me you still believe everything you're taught.
I don't.
IF possible, the best thing is to grow your own...or live on water and sunlight ; )
I agree with you KW. How organic is the organic industry? But there is no doubt that organic food from the organic industry is of better quality than the non-organic and that is a fact. There are still processed foods in the organic family, anything that grows from the earth and served in your plate does not compare to food in a box.
I mean, I don't think organic eaters are striving for perfection and 100% purity of food, but better and decent quality. I don't think acid rain does more harm than the polluted air itself. If I think like that, than I just go to the conclusion that everything is poisoned.
I still agree with you that there is no better organic than your own organic, or at least small local farms that you can get to know. I don't know about the water and sun survivalist idea. Food is too good to let it go =)
Fat Protein Carbs
Only 2 are necessary for life, don't believe me(please, don't believe me, I'm some random on the internet) but you'll find it's true as you research.
I enjoy carbs--they are a drug, and moderation is a joy. I enjoy a glass of scotch and the occasional bonghit of chem-free outdoor too.
Your body needs glucose, not carbs, and protein can be synthesized to glucose in your body.
Protein and Fat is all you need. It only sounds crazy because of what we're taught.
It's true that you can't feed 6 billion people without carbs, but you CAN feed yourself and your loved ones.
And I don't even own a microwave, nor do I cook with oil, pan fry food, or buy organic not from within 100 miles (though I live in an environmental hotbed of small farms and ranches, so local food is plentiful--hurray for very Northern California!).
It makes eating a pain in the ass relative to most Americans, but easy compared to my ancestors.
You want to spark a revolution? Buy a share in a farm harvest and get a box of who-knows-what every week at your door. Nothing like getting some weird squash and figuring out how to use it.
A new, very good improvement to the Organics law was passed today. Still doesn't mean shipping the stuff around the world is good, but it's a nice step.
Dorcas' Daddy, glucose is a type of carbohydrate. It is not protein.
I'm still trying to understand where you coming from.
Thanks for sharing.
Let me say that I hear you, I used to LOVE fresh artisan bread, eat organic oatmeal for breakfast, all that jazz.
The process by which your body turns protein into glucose is gluconeogenesis. It happens to you every night when you sleep.
About half of the protein you eat can successfully be converted into glucose.
And let me just say that I was devastated when I realized the harm of grain and did not want to believe it--it is, after all, a drug I was addicted to. But you quickly stop missing grain for all but social reasons.
Someone earlier talked about Soy. The absolute most Garbage food in the world. Avoid Soy anything, GMO or not. Turns boys into girls. Monsanto's go to bullet. Another is Canola..no such thing as a Canola plant..it is made from GMO rapeseed plant from Canada.
I hear you DD, we don't use a microwave and recently installed a kitchen fan where the inlet for the microwave used to be. We heat our food up in the oven and eat local as much as possible. It can be a pain but fresh clean milk and good meat and veggies make my heart feel happy.
While I'm on my soapbox (breadbox?) I'll just run the list:
No grain
lots of meat
lots of fat
seeds & nuts
veggies
a little fruit and dairy
And
the only oil is EVOO (there is no such thing as a natural oil, they are all processed, even EVOO)
and NEVER COOK WITH OIL. Ever.
if you must cook with fat, cook with a natural fat that is solid at room temperature. It's much more stable and healthy. So
Lard
Butter
Tallow
groovy coconut oil (which is a solid)
Dorcas,
I think that you got this down, therefore, your thoughts on Dick Gregory - fasting 80 day and on a powdered nutrient supplements for the remaining year. Kinda made me think that food is overrated.:) Met him in Atlanta -for and old guy he sure was vibrant :).
Ok, I get you Daddy. xD
Soy is garbage wax.
Mahndisa, tell me about it. Its not easy. I am starving right now, there is no food in the fridge and there are no options in the street except for McDonalds, Wendy's or Dunkin Donuts.
Dorcas,
medium chain triglycerides MCT( extra virgin coconut oil) Can I cook with that?
Ces said
"I mean, I don't think organic eaters are striving for perfection and 100% purity of food, but better and decent quality. I don't think acid rain does more harm than the polluted air itself. If I think like that, than I just go to the conclusion that everything is poisoned."
True, but you can't help feeling a little defeated in your attempt to 'eat natural' if you still have to worry if the produce might have come from a farm where they once used DDT before it became an organic farm. And also, the money politics and global hunger issues tied to organic food makes me feel a little disillusioned with it sometimes. Wholefoods is laughing all the way to the bank because I might choose organic over fair trade and some orange farmer in Ghana looses out...Complicated.
...Yea food is nice, but that's taste and satisfaction - code for dopaminergic sensations poppin' off on the tongue and in the belly. Truth is the body can do with less and still be nourished.
The point of eating healthy is about discovering the power of the body and breatharianism is just about that. Granted there are some scam artists like Wiley Brooks who charges $10 000 to teach people how to become breatharians!
He also claims to be a breatharian but thinks it's okay to eat Mickey Dees once in a while. There have also been a few deaths from starvation but that's because those people chose not to eat for life. As a temporary thing; it's worth trying out. But only once you let go of food - otherwise you see inediacy as starvation and hippie masochism.
Tell you what--check out this cheesy guy if you want an approximation of my food mindset (minus the supplements)--he's got some weird little quirks, but hits the high notes.
DV's ayurvedic diet theories may be true, I don't really cook with coconut oil--must be the ancestral latitude.
Whoops, here's the link
Yeah, planting season is coming up and we are going to plant our garden in the next few weeks or so. We do it every year and the tomatoes, pepper and greens (collards and mustards) we grew spoiled us. Not only did we save money, but the flavors from the stuff we grew ourselves were insanely good!
BTW coconut oil is stable at high temperatures, along with peanut and palm oils. I cook with those oils in addition to lard and butter. Canola oil and many other types of oils make me have the dry heaves; particularly mustard oil and almond oils.
Coconut oil does have an aromatic smell that is sweet but it has a slightly perfumish after taste that I don't care for. So I use it in my son's milk every morning and we use it on our skin and hair. I coat yams with coconut oil sometimes before I bake them and they are good.
Damn DV - You trying to start a new race of smart healthy people up in here?
DV - Public Enemy Number 1
No KW, Not defeated. Just hurt in the battle and like everything else the soil cures itself.
I get your point, but see everything is complicated. So I try to make it simpler for myself. I believe the body can still nourish with less as you say. But there are other things involve before even trying breatharianism like spiritual peace and mental strength. It is a process, no doubt.
Holy crap, I just looked up what breatharianism is.
I'm going the other way, thanks.
I already live inside my mind too much--I'll even be hunting my own dinner this spring. Even finding good food in the modern world (even at the grocery store)can take you several hours each day--but that's pretty much what life is about for millions of years, yes?
Mind and body need balance. Feeding your brain light may be fantastic, but feeding your body air seems all yin and no yang to me.
If you want to get really twisted in the area of eating right, check this out:
http://www.rawlife.com/store/product.php?productid=19131
Got the book Quantum Eating and the Daylight Diet. The authors are big raw food diet gurus (i just could not do it-raw food all the time!) however their concept is a little bit back to nature and it might freak you out. I did like his "what time" to eat section though. His book daylight diet basically leads you back to primal level, (yeah, prehistoric man). As his theory about the moon cycle of 28 days correlates to 28 days to the female monthly, so does his theory on digestion only working with the sun (daytime) and the moon only working as a cleanser to the body's energy (night time). His simple premise is that food no matter how healthy, becomes putrified at night because of poor or non digestion. This coming from vegans!-Jeez! I am so nocturnal that I am a little worried :).
"His simple premise is that food no matter how healthy, becomes putrified at night because of poor or non digestion."
Putrefaction is the process of decomposing proteins (mostly animal proteins) by anaerobic bacteria (bacteria that do not require oxygen to derive energy or grow). These anaerobic bacteria live in your colon. I doubt they care whether the sun is up or down when substrate arrives for their consumption. However, circadian rhythms do play a role in movement of food through the gut.
Digestion time varies depending on the individual. For most healthy adults-- 24 and 72 hours.
It usually takes 6-8 hours after a meal for food to make it through your small intestine. Food enters the colon for further digestion and absorption of water.
Elimination of undigested residue usually begins after 24 hours.
But for complete elimination to occur it may take a few days.
You seem to be implying that putrefaction is a negative process as in meat decomposing in a garbage heap or something. That isn't an accurate description of the process.
I think a better way to talk about night time eating is to discuss night time energy usage and circadian rhythms many regulated by the pineal gland and melatonin. Since most people tend to slow down at night and utilize fewer calories it may be more likely that these calories will be stored as fat. However, I don't believe there are any studies proving that late night eating causes weight gain.
I don't usually eat large meals late at night (unless I'm visiting friends in Barcelona--they eat dinner rather late in the evening and seem to have few ill effects from the practice). But I can agree, eating a large meal right before bed could be uncomfortable.
So, who wants to discuss why it's thought that high fructose corn syrup is bad? Somebody give me a mechanism, or better yet walk me through fructose metabolism.
DMG, better yet explain to us why HFCS is good. What are the benefits of it? and why is it promoted like if it's natural?
It reminds me of PETA promoting all these GMO foods and saying they are vegan, lol. When some if not most are genetically modified with animal DNA.
From a personal experience, metabolism changes depending on our consumption of foods and times. I used to eat 6 to 8 small meals a day and that makes your metabolism go like crazy, if you know what I mean. Isn't that better for the digestive system to be constantly working instead of having less but bigger meals which eventually lead the system to store more unwanted calories and fats?
DMG, Dr. Robert Lustig who is out of UCSF's Endocrinology Dept. has written some papers and recently hosted a whole seminar on the dangers of high fructose corn syrup. He works at a credible institution and is well respected in his field. Check out a snippet here.
No Ces. You all brought up high fructose corn syrup and made all sorts of statements.
Back them up.
Those "change the subject" tactics don't work on me.
We aren't discussing what PETA said, or how many meals a day we should eat (I too eat and recommend smaller more frequent meals). Walk me through the mechanism of it's metabolism into energy. Or maybe Waxy can connect a mechanism to his genocide and conspiracy claim. If you are going to call something out tell me why, and use credible widely available sources.
I you all just want to compare recipes tell me you aren't interested in backing up your claims.
Mahndisa,
Don't give them hints. They made claims that go FAR beyond obesity. Let them fight their way out. Notice that I haven't come down on either side of the debate.
Thanks DMG on the Daylight diet feedback, I will check into it- like I said. I love me some mid night snacks :) therefore I am not advocating it(just searching for feedback). In the meantime , can you explain how my man Dick Gregory(1 year on Bahamian Nutrient Powder and 80 days fasting) did his thing as we talked about in the aforementioned question. I am blown away by what he did and as I said before, he made me think that all our discussions about food above might be irrelevant.
Also I am a big fan of Dr. Mercola(White Lab coat guy:))
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/13/david-wolfe-interview.aspx
Listen to his take on HFCS and his take on why people get sick. Do you really believe that HFCS is not dangerous? This is where modern medicine looses me again if that is the case because it is so obvious. It is like"fluoride is good for your teeth", now ingest large amount of it via tap water into your system(harmful) or mercury is OK , lets use it for a filling(deadly). That is what category" HFCS" is in for me, therefore the lack of trust of Drs. and modern medicine for me DMG. Help me out brother, I am serious.
By the way, your opinion on this Dr. comment about HFCS and its responsibility for obesity (should be on your level).Is he wrong?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/HighFructose-Corn-Syrup-Alters-Human-Metabolism.aspx
HW,
Dick Gregory's fast comes from years of fasting where one learns how to go without food for extended periods of time. It's not something you can do if you've never fasted before; I'd recommend fasting once or twice a week and having a meal at night then and as you become used to it try going consecutive days, maybe a week and buildup from there. Once you've managed that, one and three day water fasts and keep going. You will fail very quickly if you go cold turkey and suddenly going without food can be a shock to your system. It's a matter of getting used to it, I've never prob wouldn't do an 80day water fast but I've done 14 on lemon water only and 90days on juice with breaks in between. I enjoyed it and felt empowered by doing so. It's not for everyone tho' and I'd recommend someone reads up and makes an informed choice.
Eating at night is not really a no-no, like DMG said it depends on what one does with their night. I used to go on long runs at night (there's something abt running at night) so by the time I'd go to sleep I'd have burnt off quite a few calories from my dinner.
Thanks KW,
I have got a week under my belt in water fasting and I know how hard that can be but my fascination is in his Bahamian Nutrient powder "supplement follow up that he lived on for a year with no deterioration in health. I read the ingredients and it ain't much food ,substance, calories(but Chockfull:) of nutrients) Is he on to something that we are not discussing?
BTW, here we go again with the trouble I have with words(symbols) in written communication. :)
Putrefaction for me means "rotting" not digestion. So in regards to protein digestion, proteolysis (protein digestion) is different from Putrefaction (rotting) .
For example take Ground beef, it spoils rapidly at room temperature and whole meat does not; in fact a sort of predigestion can occur. Nucleic acids are release in the grinding process and this changes the structure of the meat. Similar action may occur when Ground Beef is introduced to our intestinal tract. Here the temperature situation is ideal for spoilage. If there is insufficient hydrochloric acid in the stomach or a lack of proteolysis (protein digesting) enzymes(happens in the chewing), the possibility of putrefacation (rotting) of protein is greatly enhanced with grounded up meat vs. whole meat. Rotting proteins in your intestines is not a good thing hence all the mega money in colon cleanse! Ah, I could be wrong...
Ok cool Wax, I thought you were only just starting out.
I looked up the ingredients of Dick Gregory's Diet Drink and I have qsns abt some of this stuff:
Isolated Soy Protein, Soy Protein Concentrate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Natural Flavors, Potassium Chloride, L-methionine, Magnesium Oxide, Cellulose Powder, Primary Grown Yeast, Ascorbic Acid, Guar Gum, D-alpha Tocopherol Acetate, Pectin, Xanthan Gum, Ferrous Fumarate, Kelp Powder, Magnesium Aspartate, Potassium Aspartate, Carrageenan, Dolomite, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Papain, Bromelain, Copper Gluconate, Wheat Germ, Manganese Sulfate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Acerola, Alfalfa, Carob Powder, Catnip, Chia Seed Powder, Date Powder, Dulse, Pumpkin Seed Powder, Rice Bran, Sesame Seed Powder, Sunflower Seed Powder, Wheat Grass Powder, Vitamin A Palmitate, Beta Carotene, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Vitamin B3, Folic Acid, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Chromium Chloride, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenite, Phytonadione and Cyanocobalamin.
Wax,
I don't know anything about Dick Gregory. I'm 42, eat from the grocery store, have 8% body fat, Blood pressure 117/68, resting pulse is still about 60 and don't bother with anything organic or whatever and don't work out beyond the occasional push up or run, and still do 3 miles in less than 19 mins. Does this mean my diet is better than yours? No. By that token Dick Gregory being energetic is merely anecdote.
Not a fan of Mercola. He's a business man, not a real lab guy. Many of his claims don't pan out, and he doesn't try to back up his statements.
Actually, I don't feel like listening to a salesman talk about fructose and glucose. Why don't you walk me through it instead.
I don't panic about high fructose corn syrup...because I know how it's metabolized. What's the difference between sucrose and HFCS? Panic leads you to false conclusions. I agree that ingestion of massive quantities of anything will be detrimental to your health...even the purest of water.
Wax,
Be precise with your words. When discussing breakdown of animal proteins in the gut, putrefaction is not synonymous with rotting and its negative connotations.
"Do you really believe that HFCS is not dangerous? This is where modern medicine looses me again if that is the case because it is so obvious."
What's so obviously bad about metabolizing fructose and glucose?
We have a mechanism to metabolize it. Having an occasional soda containing high fructose corn syrup isn't going to turn a kid from a normal size into a morbidly obese sick fat ass. Ingesting several cases a week most likely will. So is it something intrinsic about fructose or is it a fork to mouth phenomena? There may be
"It is like"fluoride is good for your teeth"
It is good for your teeth...but that's obviously another discussion entirely.
"now ingest large amount of it via tap water into your system(harmful) or mercury is OK , lets use it for a filling(deadly)."
You aren't ingesting large amounts of mercury in tap water. And if we were what do you think we'd see? I don't recall seeing legions of sweaty, bald, toothless kids with red cheeks, peeling skin and muscle weakness who are afraid to go out into the sunshine. Have you seen kids with acrodynia?
"That is what category" HFCS" is in for me, therefore the lack of trust of Drs. and modern medicine for me DMG. Help me out brother, I am serious."
Who you have problems trusting is your business. If you don't want to see me or my colleagues when you get sick, all I have to say to that is "keep it moving...you are holding up the line". Access to information is great...if you have the foundation to process this information. Googling astrophysics, listening to a few amateurs on YouTube or from sales reps selling telescopes doesn't make you an astrophysicist.
And by the way, physicians are selling folks cases of Mountain Dew, force marching them thrice daily to McDonald's or shoving Krispy Kremes down your throat at gunpoint. More often we are yelling "put the fucking fork down, turn of the playstation and move".
People don't want to take responsibility on why their little fat ass angel is morbidly obese. Instead of encouraging moderation in food choices, and movement, they want to blame somebody...anybody. Strange I drink the same water supply and frequent the same grocery stores as my neighbors and my family isn't fat. My wife likes a few things from Whole Foods, but mostly we just go to the grocery store. I say this in honesty. If you want to center your life and day around gathering food from certain places, more power to you. I have other things to do, and much of the world would be happy to have our water safety standards.
DMG is truth.
Accept no substitutes.
Doc,
As I stated to you before I am hear to learn and explore new things and not to battle or compete because the guy I was talking about was not Mercola but one of your highest ranking expert on this subject
Professor Robert Lustig, MD, a UCSF pediatric neuroendocrinologist, and an of the nations "fructose" expert. These colleagues of yours can't be dismissed so easily. Sometimes I think you are so frustrated with our perceived lack of a medical background that you are somewhat kurt and maybe, but maybe missed the content of what we are trying to say. (The Dick Gregory research and the formula question along with the topic of addiction,Breatharianism etc., was my way of trying to figure out the real question- "Can we eventual evolve to the point that food is unnecessary via science?".)
So take a little time and slow down because Dr. Lustig points on Mercola page is what I wanted you to look at( and House, you skipped it:)) so here goes again:
Lustig claims;
That rise of obesity is usually blamed on too much eating and not enough exercising, (like you also said) however he wants us to look beyond the obvious.
Robert Lustig
Yes, more Americans are overweight today than 30 years ago. Kids are still getting heavier, compared with prior generations of kids.
However, behaviors that some might refer to as gluttony and sloth are merely consequences of the true cause of the epidemic. Food was just as abundant before obesity’s ascendance.
The problem is the increase in sugar consumption. Sugar both drives fat storage and makes the brain think it is hungry, setting up a “vicious cycle”.
More specifically, it is fructose that is harmful not sucrose. Fructose is a component of the two most popular sugars. One is table sugar — sucrose. The other is high-fructose corn syrup. High-fructose corn syrup has become ubiquitous in soft drinks and many other processed foods.
Lustig recently presented his case against fructose in a recent UCSF Mini Medical School course on diet and nutrition, part of a series sponsored by the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute. He framed the obesity epidemic as a societal issue that pits the food-selling agenda of federal agencies and profit-seeking behavior of major corporations against public health needs.
BTW, DMG , he spends more time with pediatric patients. He is on the front lines of the world’s weight woes, treating kids who already are obese, a condition that sets the stage for health problems that begin long before these children become adults so don't dismiss him.
(Insulin and Leptin)
His groundbreaking studies more than a decade ago stimulated the development of his controversial ideas about metabolism and biological feedback in weight control. One not-yet-popular idea is that, calorie for calorie, sugar causes more insulin resistance in the liver than other edibles. The pancreas then has to release more insulin to satisfy the liver’s needs. High insulin levels, in turn, interfere with the brain’s receipt of signals from a hormone called leptin, secreted by fat cells.
He worked with children diagnosed with hypothalamic obesity, a disorder that can occur after brain tumor surgery. The children were making more insulin than was necessary for normal energy storage in fat cells. Lustig thought the kids were not receiving signals from leptin, which helps send a message that the appetite has been sated.
Lustig concluded that the children’s brains were fooled into thinking that they were starving. Lustig administered a drug called octreotide, known to block insulin release. Insulin levels fell; the children ate less, lost weight, spontaneously became more active and improved their quality of life.
Lustig tried the same treatment with obese adults, and found that a subset responded in the same way as the children with hypothalamic obesity.
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Eating stimulates secretion of insulin and leptin. The conventional view holds that insulin, like leptin, feeds back in the brain to limit food intake, Lustig explains. However, he does not think that chronically elevated insulin levels feed back negatively to curb eating. Instead, chronically elevated insulin blocks leptin’s negative feedback signal. Most people think insulin does the same thing as leptin it does just the opposite.
Lustig believes that fructose generates greater insulin resistance than other foodstuffs, and that fructose calories, therefore, fail to blunt appetite in the same way as other foods.
A Calorie Is Not Just a Calorie
Lustig also is at odds with mainstream scientific viewpoints when it comes to explaining how fructose is shunted through biochemical pathways and converted into fat and other molecules. DMG time!!!! In the Hizzzzhouse!
Unlike conventional calorie counters, Lustig does not believe all food calories have the same impact on fat storage and energy expenditure, regardless of whether they come from fat, protein or carbohydrate. Fructose, a type of carbohydrate, is not metabolized like other foodstuffs, and not even like glucose, the other major carbohydrate.
In addition, Lustig claims that fructose is just as bad as alcohol in causing fat storage in the liver — and in causing fatty liver disease.
He advances these controversial ideas primarily by citing already published studies, most of them by other researchers. But he also tries to enlist bench scientists in research collaborations in the hopes that additional studies will prove to others that these ideas are correct.
Sugar No Better Than Fat
Each sucrose molecule consists of one molecule of fructose joined to one molecule of glucose. In the gut, these two components are quickly split apart. High-fructose corn syrup is a less expensive mixture of glucose and fructose. There is no point in belaboring the difference,High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are exactly the same. They’re equally bad. They’re both poison in high doses.
Over the past century, Americans have increased their fructose consumption from 15 grams per day to 75 grams per day or more. The trend accelerated beginning about three decades ago, when cheap, easy-to-transport high-fructose corn syrup became widely available.
Much of processed food labeled “reduced fat” instead has sugar added to make it more palatable,however when it comes to harmful health effects, sugar is worse than fat. Consumption of either results in elevated levels of artery-clogging fats being made by the liver and deposited in the bloodstream. But fructose causes even further damage to the liver and to structural proteins of the body while fomenting excessive caloric consumption.
Four Simple Guidelines
He prescribes four simple guidelines for parents coping with kids who are too heavy:
Get rid of every sugared liquid in the house. Kids should drink only water and milk.
Provide carbohydrates associated with fiber.
Wait 20 minutes before serving second portions.
Have kids buy their “screen time” minute-for-minute with physical activity.
Fructose is abundant in fruit. Fruit is fine, however we should think twice before drinking juice or feeding it to our kids. The fiber in whole fruit contributes to a sense of fullness. It is rare to see a child eat more than one orange, but it is common for kids to consume much more sugar and calories as orange juice.Eating fiber also results in less carbohydrate being absorbed in the gut. In addition, he says, fiber consumption allows the brain to receive a satiety signal sooner than it would otherwise, so we stop eating sooner.
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Exercise burns only a modest amount of calories. But it does have other benefits. Exercise improves insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscle, lowering insulin levels in the bloodstream. Exercise reduces stress and, therefore, reduces stress-induced eating. Lastly, exercise increases metabolic rate.
The directive to balance active play with computer, video and TV time is the most difficult one to comply with. But failure to limit sugar intake appears to be the most predictive of poor weight control in children.
“You are not what you eat; you are what you do with what you eat and what you do with fructose is particularly dangerous.
“Fructose is a strange sugar.”
Fructose is strange because it is the sweetest sugar and yet has the lowest glycemic index, so it has little immediate effect on our blood glucose levels.
When we assign a baseline value of 100 to sucrose (table sugar), then fructose has a sweetness factor of 173, according to him.
Glucose, which we digest even faster, rates at just 74. Maltose, the highest glycemic sugar, is just 32, and high-fructose corn syrup, a mixture of fructose and glucose, has a sweetness score of 120.
Yet the glycemic index of fructose is only 19. That’s the average of six studies.
Many often wondered how fructose could be so sweet and yet so low glycemic and also wondered why so many people think that high-fructose corn syrup is bad for us (That's you Doc).
You have to study the tight relationship between fructose and advanced glycation end products (AGEs).
“ecause fructose barely registers in the glycemic index, it appeared to be the ideal sweetener for diabetics however,by defining carbohydrate foods as good or bad on the basis of their glycemic index, diabetologists and public-health authorities effectively misdiagnosed the impact of fructose on human health.
The trouble with fructose is its impact on the liver, which almost exclusively metabolizes it. That’s the key point.
It's different from glucose. That sugar goes directly into our bloodstream so that our tissues and organs can use it as energy, with only 30 to 40 percent passing through the liver.
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The more fructose in the diet, the higher the subsequent triglyceride levels in the blood. While our health authorities have focused largely on the health risks of high LDL cholesterol levels, he demonstrated that our triglyceride – fat – levels are even more important in terms of our risks for heart attacks.
And especially troublesome for people with diabetes is that high-fructose diets lead us to secrete more insulin, which in turn leads to more insulin resistance. That’s because fructose seems to block both the metabolism of glucose in the liver as well as the synthesis of glucose into glycogen, the way that the liver stores glucose.
It’s even worse, Fructose is perhaps 10 times worse than glucose in the way our bodies form AGEs.
The only organ in your body that can take up fructose is your liver. The first thing that eating fructose does is causing an increase in uric acid. Fructose inhibits nitric oxide, which would otherwise reduce our blood pressure. So fructose is famous for causing hypertension (high blood pressure).
The second is that fructose initiates what’s known as de novo lipogenesis, excess fat production….And then the last thing that fructose does in the liver is it initiates an enzyme….What happens is that your insulin receptors in your liver stop working….That means your insulin levels all over your body have to rise.
The name of the enzyme that fructose initiates in the liver is called “c-jun N-terminal kinase-1” or just JNK-1 or Junk-1. "It serine phosphorylates a protein in the liver called IRS-1 (insulin receptor substrate-1), thereby rendering it inactive. This induces hepatic insulin resistance."
Damning stuff House. In fact, we’re being poisoned to death by HFCS.
The trigger for the recent trouble with fructose began in 1978, when high-fructose corn syrup entered the market. The most common form, HFCS-55, is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.
HFCS is now the most common sweetener in the U.S. It has replaced sucrose (table sugar) especially in soft drinks, but it is in many other foods too.
But HFCS is only the tip of the sugar crystal. Sucrose is half fructose and half glucose.
Sucrose goes by a lot of names on the nutrition labels of the products that we buy in supermarkets and natural food stores. Probably no ingredient is more ubiquitous or goes by so many names as sugar. Sucrose includes white sugar, brown sugar, granulated sugar, turbinado sugar, and most of the sugar in regular and blackstrap molasses and almost all of the sugar in maple syrup. One of the trickiest names is “organic dehydrated cane juice.” I’m sure that it fools a lot of people into thinking they aren’t getting sugar. Sucanat is another name for dried sugarcane juice. So-called raw sugar includes demerara, muscovado, and turbinado. More than 100 different sucrose substances exist.
Even the natural sweeteners that you have been using occasionally have lots of fructose. From 90 to 97 percent of the sugar in agave nectar is fructose. Up to half of the sugar in some varieties of honey is fructose.
Even fruit, vegetables, and meat contain some fructose, both directly and as half of the sucrose in these foods.Among meats, corned beef and pastrami seem to have the most fructose, through their added sucrose content. But fruit, vegetables, and meat aren’t much of a fructose problem, because the total amount of fructose we get this way is minimal.
Between 1970 and 2003 our average consumption of fructose increased from less than half a pound per year to 56 pounds per year. We were never designed to take in so much fructose.
Now we know why we need to avoid this added fructose in our diet. But let’s not go to extremes. Our bodies were designed to eat the fructose in fruit and vegetables. That naturally-occurring fructose is not the problem. The trouble with fructose is all the fructose and sucrose that we have been adding to our food.
Doc this is coming from your plantation system and not me. Are they idiots??????
DMG, I believe that moderation is the key to a good quality of life. But HFCS doesn't seem to have any positive benefits whatsoever and regarding how it is metabolized in the liver- disturbing, from what I understand.
And to be clear, I know Lustig is a bit of a maverick but recent studies by other physicians and microbiologists have verified some of his statements. With that in mind, researchers have found that there is a link between HFCS and insulin resistance. See this link, study carried out by reputable institution with peer review.
Doc,
I just wanted you to not blame your patients as the victim of gluttony and sloth. We are much harder working than our European counter parts and probably diet 50 times more than them yet we are becoming the fattest moe foes on the planet. When all is said and done, HFCS will be the culprit. Hands down from the right side of my brain. Yes sweet CORN baby-that is what this blog started about.
Tru that!
Namaste
one last thing doc,
You are speeding again :) slow down!
" It is like"fluoride is good for your teeth", now ingest large amount of it via tap water into your system(harmful) or mercury is OK , lets use it for a filling(deadly)"
My statement above had a " fluoride and teeth and water ingestion" correlation. NOT MERCURY.
The Mercury portion was about your other brother in the cult(dentist) who stuck MERCURY amalgam fillings IN MY MOUTH at age 15. The leaching is health for me ain't it?
Respect-
Wax,
First off...condense, we all have jobs. I'm not dismissing Lustig (I wholeheartedly and without reservation dismiss Mercola). But I'm not a layperson, and I'm not so easily moved. He doesn't have any data. (Feel free to do your own pubmed search...three articles come up when key words Robert Lustig and fructose are searched...two of these are review articles. One article is from 24hour dietary recall...which isn't a very powerful study--even he wouldn't say it's powerful). The problem of childhood obesity is multifactorial, one factor is portion control. I'm asking you to explain your statements that include words like "genocide". Having said that, have you really read and understood Lustig's work on this subject? Let's not play games or try to score points. If you are telling me you understand the molecular mechanisms behind this and are willing to debate it, say the word. That's my background, I'd love to get deeper into the subject.
"Sometimes I think you are so frustrated with our perceived lack of a medical background that you are somewhat kurt and maybe, but maybe missed the content of what we are trying to say."
I'm only annoyed when you all make statements when you CLEARLY don't understand the subject matter. I know you don't expect to get called out on a blog about a scientific detail, but I refuse to let to let stuff slip by.
"Can we eventual evolve to the point that food is unnecessary via science?"
No. That would be stupid and the very idea goes against the very basics of biology. Slightly decreasing energy utilization is possible. I do it all the time in the ICU. But why would someone want to stop eating? Breatherism? Come on man...that's not even worth discussing.
Now about the Neuroendocrine stuff you posted. Yes, very interesting indeed thanks for posting it...but this hypothesis is not consistent with your statements. You seem to be suggesting fructose in any amount is harmful. Lustig is making a rather large leap by extrapolating observations made on a small subset to that of the general population. Sure massive amounts of fructose can be hazardous and is probably more accurate. Professor Lustig is being a bit sensational when he states kids should drink only milk and water (when those kids leave the house for the first time they are going to BINGE on soft-drinks...what you don't remember Todd Marinovich USC QB who never had a Coke?)
He states that years ago food was just as abundant, I'll look it up, but I think he's wrong. Also children expended FAR more energy running around and playing OUTSIDE and at school recess, and in gym class and afterschool sports and walking to school...etc.
It's an interesting hypothesis, I'll be interested to read the studies, as I have no interest in seeing him on Oprah or a blog. That's not science thats promotion.
Wax,
By the way...I got your fluoride and mercury thing, I'd corrected that to say fillings, but apparently the later version didn't get posted. My mistake. However, again how many kids with acrodynia have you seen?
Eating pig is like still wearing a Jheri Curl. That joint was in style (when Negroes were slaves), but it's time to pick up where we left off.
We eat better than any king or Pharaoh in the history of this planet. They didn't have access to the amount of meat that is available to us.
So what then was the eating habits of the layman, the common person. It wasn't extravagant large meals filled with meat, side of vegis. People sometimes had only one signature food for that day (be it meat, vegetables, fruit etc.).
Sometimes warm milk was it for that day. The less you eat as an adult the better. Just enough to keep away stomach pains. We're not working like how Negroes worked in the early 1900's and even they ate mostly beans.
My homeboy got rid of diabetes by eating beans and toast every day for one year. I know his family and he didn't cheat. That was it. He is healthy, athletic and toned. He's living. The reason why I can believe it is because my grandfather (who lived till 98years old; died from a broken hip) lived mostly off of beans and cornbread. Some meat plus greens and sweet potato but mostly beans and cornbread. He was a gravedigger turned carpenter.
Negroes be lucky to fit that kind of workout one month out of the year. Your body can live off of less than we think (speaking for adults not children). Proof is in the putting not diet charts. We live in a very calculated pie chart society. Grids & measurements. It's going to our heads. To many chef programs.
In Seattle I did two months of eating blackberries throughout the week and every once in a while ate some meat and/or bread on weekends. Blackberries grew wild all over the city so it was a convenient diet.
I road my bike all over the city (which is nothing but hills) and hit the gym. I built muscle mass and kept energy. I'm not saying blackberries are the key but little food as possible. That's the secret. We are not full time professional athletes with million dollar sponsorship (which calls for extreme workouts which leads to extreme eating). Sharecroppers ate less than us and we aren't working the way they worked. Sun up til sun down is real.
Lots of meat is not common to past generations. Hunting, killing, skinning, butchering aint no joke! I come from a family of hunters. My grandparents didn't get electricity till '68 and running water till '89. Poor. Shotgun house with an outhouse in the back.
Every season isn't dear season. Sometimes only squirrels or rabbit is all that's available, if you found them to shoot. You don't kill up all your chickens just to have meat on the plate every night. If you were poor (living by bare necessities) you didn't have a smoke house like you see on westerns. Watch Rawhide, even the glamorization of the wild west didn't have them boys eating meat every time they rested for the night. And that's Hollywood!
-Vinegar needs to be in the diet -dates
-beans
-meat once a month or once every few months
-greens (yuck) I'll still eat it
-sweet potatoes (yuck) I'll still eat it
-NO DOG, NO MONKEY, NO RATS AND NO PIG (LONG OR SHORT)
@ DMG - Is HFCS making many fat
(added to kids getting rides to school, playing more PS3 than football in the street, and the elimination of recess in many schools)?
Are we overfed but under-nourished by the many products containing HFCS?
Is HFCS addictive?
Are many storing more toxins in their new extra fat.
Are these toxins having a negative effect on us?
I will say that some of you seem to have a real issue with food. I agree that whatever we eat ought to be healthy and organic to ensure against pesticides and GMO's. However, some of you seem to be on the fringe and have an adversarial relationship with food. Eating meat once every few months is ridiculous! You don't have to eat a porterhouse steak every night but c'mon! This thread almost reminds me of discussions I've had with recovering bulimic vegans!
DMG, Read this on Sunday when you are chillin.
your comment "First off...condense, we all have jobs."
Hey Bra, you don't have to hit me back right away and i don't mind if you take your time to get back to me. However, You have said a mouthful in that statement :).
I think that plantation environment DV is talking was create upon that( chronos baby: we are so busy working, that I don't know if we ever are really alive). Rushing so hard and fast that we can't event spend the time to digest the good stuff, doc.
Remember this funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzqQFOSOT5c&feature=player_embedded
Therefore allow me to wax on the expansive again-
House(you remind me of him in cool way), You gave a me little bit about your background, therefore allow me to give a little about mine. I am 48 , rip to shit -about 3% body fat (pretty moe foe DV:)), got a little change, done a lot in the evil corporate world stuff-(good house nig stuff,got more paper etc. etc.,. In the past competed in triathlons(major magazine cover), competed in body building contest and all kind of physical shitty competitions ( even knew how to cheat pharmaceutically). major Adonis complex :). Learned about all the health and wellness aspect from Mayo clinic etc., etc I had unlimited resource(free corporate Amex to do anything I wanted) and access to tons of medical executives being a major (the good negro) corporate Suck up VP. Anything from your world DMG. I had unlimited access to everything and anything medical at my fingertips. DMG, I lived the Dr. Dre Lifestyle (Been there, Done That- video sums me up where I am coming from). Wine and dined with Satan 1 (Bush1) , satan 2 (Newt G.- almost my business partner) and satan 3 (obama).(Got pictures to prove). House, I am not bragging or souping myself up, but rather trying to paint you a picture that I am not just another internet crazy "conspiracy theory" nut case, but rather a guy that has live and is living both yours and DV experiences. I am speaking from the point of being in the shit. Not just making it up or wishing. One thing I can speak from a 25 years background of the Corporate (Drago-very rigid and mechanical) medical perspective/trainer to fitness and to DV's holistic approach. Without hesitation DV doesn't even know how right he is. The Cat ain't lying- that is the dope shit he is talking about-fa real bra!
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If I could only turn back time, and apply the lessons that I learned from the holistic approach, Black and White Bra, I wasted 20 years of my life with the corporate medical/fitness approach. Doc, I got the loot, I spent boo- ku in your industry. Also watch them murdered my Dad with Beta blockers so I got an edge. Watch them kill my wife's BF with Chemo (no one dies from cancer, only the treatment-sorry doc)
Anyway, now at 48, I am more fit and use about 10% of the effort that I had to using the best medical minds. I want to scream out to all these young cats who can't even keep up, "You doing it all wrong! :)". My proudest moment: Dude, I live in a country club neighborhood next door to some NFL players (one who just retired at 32) and he can't keep up with me. They all ask me for advice(All Holistic). My experiences with both sides(left brain/corporate-mechanical workout shit had me as a fat fuck at 230 vs. right brain DV method 185( in 6mths). The right brain method is so god damm easy, I feel like a rasta. Now comes the scary part; I play a lot of golf at my Country Club awith your colleagues. The most scariest thing about it (and this is no exaggeration ) your buddies (The doctors who are members)look awful- like death dude (with all that knowledge how come I feel that I need to find them a undertaker). Dude with all that medical knowledge you would think that they know what they are doing. One finally broke down and ask me for help the other day. Came over to the crib and ask me to show him what is in my pantry. The MF is a heart surgeon. Real Life DMG! Real Life! I am very eclectic and research anything in a minute , therefore I researched the average lifespan of MD's BAM- 58 years old WTF???. Sum tin wrong Doc. Slow down, it ain't worth it. BTW, Dentist have the highest suicide rate of the professional positions.What up with dat!?
DM,
Speaking of sum tin wrong. I had an awakening on my 40th birthday. When you understand the nature of our language, media, haste, go, go, condense , condense ,sound-bite society, and that any body that does the homework or the detail or "wax on the expansive:)" will be a conspiracy theorist or nut job. I decided then to be the conspiracy theorist. The freedom and joy and relaxation that comes from being in the Truth is awesome. That is why we all come to this blog- (it brings us joy! Truth always does)
I like what you have to say and respect it. But being the original Jamaican :), I can't do sound bites....
For example in 30 secs sound-bite. 911 - I am a wacko, however in 2 days - you would vote me in as president of the Truth movement. If I told you that Obama did not attend Columbia Univ again 30 secs- I am crazy. 3 hours- you would make me the head of secret service.Doc, it is not your fault most of us are truly slaves on the plantation don't matter how much money you are worth. My next door neighbor was worth about 400 million and as they take away his money(he has no were to go in the up and coming de industrialization of the US). he now has stop calling me a conspiracy theorist and said I was right and seeks my advice daily (The joy of patience)-little old black and stupid conspiracy nut from 5 years ago.
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I "feel" that I am real close to being a "freeman". Just getting rid of the remaining " Capitis Diminutio Maxima" and the other old school stuff (that is still kicking our asses) is al that is left to do:) . So many thing that we discuss could bring us to a greater illumination (watch out now) but under the god of Saturnalia the Judaic/Germanic left brain, kill, kill, kill, system that we are under it always seem impossible. Now as the "aftermath" kicks in(it is happening DMG, look around you-hell in a handbasket), the folks that were slaving to this beat have no place to go. Bra as I told you before, love and only love will get you and I to where we all wanna go. I don't have a rush gear, or the capability needed to be an expert on "spitting hot fire" of this lesser language (English). ///When you get more time you will understand that English was a specially created slave language and is the lesser of all language(100% left brain). ////
OK, with all that said (whew!), I am not in a race so if you ever have time, please , please, please,( it means l lot to me if you do) address the fluoride question, the mercury question, and the HFCS issues. I truly know you are a good and moral man with a lovely family, so I sincerely would like to know why would a man of such outstanding knowledge be OK with a single drop of fluoride in the water, a single oz of mercury in a childs mouth or HFCS to be made along with MSG or Aspartame. This is why I have to believe in the Genocide model DMG. Codex alm., Agenda 21, Eugenics, John P Holdren, etc., etc?? They are all easy to believe in if you answer the aforementioned questions honestly.
Namaste Homie,
ps-
I glad you like the the HFCS info. the rest is the details. and for God sake slow down :).
This is good stuff.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2007/1969924.htm
http://www.mendosa.com/lustig_fructose.pdf
http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/16479/trouble-fructose/2
http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/sugar-fix-author-blames-fructose-alone-for-obesity-but-taubes-counters/
2 other expert in this field Gary Taubes -Good Calories, Bad Calories, along with Joe Anderson of "AGEs and Aging – Sweet Suicide,” are now big fans of Lustig
@Rigmaiden-
"reminds me of discussions I've had with recovering bulimic vegans!"
Now that was funny! You killing me :)- I really do know some.
I remember back in the day before I cut church from my diet, I asked my Sunday school teacher about the Bible's place in liberation for those that adhere to it. He took it as me being adversarial towards white people. I didn't say nothing about no white folks, all he heard was "liberation."
I have an adversarial relationship with the amount of meat consumed, not with food. All meat is food, all food isn't meat.
Tyson wasn't adversarial to ease and comfort just because he worked out to achieve the KO. He was adversarial to being KO'd. Because one resists a measure of comfort to achieve a discipline doesn't imply a love for discomfort. Just look at it this way, I eat meat slower than you.
People smoke cigarettes faster than I do especially since I don't smoke.
A benchpress workout is resistance to weight/gravity for results.
Our obsession with comfortable ways of achieving results is why there are weight loss drugs. "Fun ways for your child to learn." Education can't be adversarial if a kid only understands 5 hours of tv everyday. You have to come up with gimmicks to teach. You competing with iphone under the desk.
I love food, but discipline is important.
Gee-Chee
Co-sign all the way. Eating cultures have radically changed over time and people eat more and move less. They eat more crap thinking it's food - no secrets there as to why America, Canada and the UK are the fattest nations on earth.
The body can definitely do with less and still work pretty well.
Bullimic vegans? - Nah, I don't have an eating disorder - people think I do and I've had 'gentle interventions' from well-meaning friends and fam, but they don't understand why periods of fasting are good for the body.
Everything in moderation.
Be Healthy y'all.
DMG said:
"And by the way, physicians aren't selling folks cases of Mountain Dew, force marching them thrice daily to McDonald's or shoving Krispy Kremes down your throat at gunpoint. More often we are yelling "put the fucking fork down, turn of the playstation and move".
People don't want to take responsibility on why their little fat ass angel is morbidly obese. Instead of encouraging moderation in food choices, and movement, they want to blame somebody...anybody."
Truth. Co-sign.
Alot of the times doctors are dealing with the resultant problems of gluttony rather than creating the problems.
IMO, the FDA needs to become Nazi-like on the junk people are eating and map out a feasible way to - strictly regulate food content, portion size and advertising. Make it mandatory for all shops that sell food to sell at least 5 fruit/vegetables. Parents who are obese or have obese children need a health visitor coming round to their homes to encourage them to eat right. While I don't think over-feeding a kid can be called child abuse; it is dysfunctional for someone to grow up unable to make proper food choices.
"My people perish for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4 v. 6
America must be the only country in the world where the poorer the Black folk (& White trash) are, the more obese they are. You step in the hood and never seen so many 300-lb porkers who eat fast food for a living but can't pay rent.
-Vinegar needs to be in the diet -dates
-beans
-meat once a month or once every few months
-greens (yuck) I'll still eat it
-sweet potatoes (yuck) I'll still eat it
-NO DOG, NO MONKEY, NO RATS AND NO PIG (LONG OR SHORT)
Keep the dates and figs, substitute prunes instead.
greens yuck?
sweet potatos/yams yuck?
no imagination in preparation.
the swine is divine.
and the long pig a sheer delicacy when properly roasted and seasoned - just don't eat the brains or sweetbreads.
Bulimic vegans?
My good friend Laura, she is like my sister. Never ate meat, no fish, no pork. Only tofu (which I don't like) and like rice. That poor girl was having some real issues with food and she had all of these... you know.
Always thinking she was fat, but she wasn't at all. She just had this obsession with being very thin, that is why she didn't eat much, not even her veggies. She definitely had some issues with her food and with herself. I used to make fun of her for eating all those 'greenies'. How meany of me, but how brave she is. She just got a lot skinnier, she is good. She eats fish now, 'cause her doctor told her to. She was falling into malnutrition.
That's what happens when you go to the extremes, either side is not good. I agree with DMG about that, portions are sure important, but where she lives the food is a different story. The cheap food is the good food there and HFCS does not exist and I don't see obese people either, one chunky here and there, but most young people are skinny beach dudes and dudettes.
My sister is another story, she is so busy with her life. Lots of work, lots of school. She doesn't have time for her own and she eats whatever she can get. She doesn't have time to do the groceries or prepare her meals or exercise. It's not only responsibility, you need dedication and time to even take care of yourself.
But I still havent't heard a word why is HFCS good for me, I mean I don't know all the science, but I get it, any poison you put in your body eventually will get out if you move more, true. Still, not so convincing, not good enough for me.
I simply don't eat beacuse is GMO shit modified with grasshopper DNA.
Guys, eat anything you like, we can't all eat the same things. Don't fall for indulgences though and try to make it organic if you can. Fasting is good, try it out. It gives you peace of mind and more control over your body and anxiety (if you got any).
Make it small meals, your metabolism will thank you and your colon too. I simply don't consume products with HFCS, I substitute that for fiber and good fats.
I lost a bunch of pounds since I stopped eating meats and started eating more live enzymes into my body. I am on my weight now, around 180, 6'0, thin but thick. I used to weight 220 when I was like 20, I had an obsession with bodybuilding.
Now I realize I don't need all of that to nourish my body, neither to build muscle. Veggie and fruit juices give me lots of energy. And now that I lost weight everybody in my family is like... "why are you so skiiiny? oh! that's 'cause you don't eat meats anymore", and most of my family are like a little overweight and they all try these weird formulas and magic pills to try to lose weight, lol. None of them ever asks me. I feel good, I look good.
My mother listens, but she forgets after an hour. She is got osteoporosis and some skin issues and her doctor just told her she is in risk of having diabetes. New doctor, 'cause the one before was trying to SELL her a diet. You know what I mean? Cool dude, but he was more into making extra profits than helping people and he won't ever remember the name of his own patients. I understand, he got a bunch of patients.
I keep insisting with my mother, she listens. She is just so used to the little junky food. She doesn't eat meats, but she is always eating these unhealthy snacks and does not exercise much because of her osteoporosis. It hurts she said, but she is there. I have to push her more, but at the same time she works mucho, and gets home tired, she'll be ok.
Life is Good! :D
btw KW, cool song!
This is silly, but funny.
Ces, you give a lot of advice for someone who think seeds and nuts are carbohydrates, and that the seeds in veggies are too (what do you think the rest of the vegetable is?).
As you all slink off to "everyone needs different foods," and "my nonsense diet I patched together myself (except when I break it) is ideal," are, um, well.....
Whatever you want to believe. The truth is your body is extraordinary and you can get energy from tons of sources, some are just much better than others, and your belief system doesn't change what's right.
You can get energy by standing next to a burning can of latex paint, but that doesn't make it good for you.
Enjoy your vegetables.
LOL Dorcas' Daddy. I'll smoke a joint to OUR health.
Dorcas Daddy:
"You can get energy by standing next to a burning can of latex paint, but that doesn't make it good for you."
ROFL!!!
Ces,
That vid is insane; the autotune is so bad, LOL!
Thanks for sharing. From the sounds of it your friend was borderline anorexic; she wanted to be thin and did in the most extreme way. It probably developed into body dysmorphia because she saw herself as fat yet she wasn't. In some ways I can understand that coz there is alot of pressure on females to look a certain way.
It's good that she's gotten help and I hope she learns more about the nutritional values of different foods and the body before she decides what she may/may not eat.
There is also another kind of anorexia called orthorexia where health freaks obsess more about what they eat and how much they exercise; rather than about weight. It's quite easy to fall into that trap if you become neurotic about food. It might take discipline not to eat crap, but that discipline can also become obsessive.
Everything in moderation.
Beef, what a relief
When will this poisonous product cease?
This is another public service announcement
You can believe it, or you can doubt it
Let us begin now with the cow
The way it gets to your plate and how
The cow doesn't grow fast enough for man
So through his greed he makes a faster plan
He has drugs to make the cow grow quicker
Through the stress the cow gets sicker
Twenty-one different drugs are pumped
Into the cow in one big lump
So just before it dies, it cries
In the slaughterhouse full of germs and flies
Off with the head, they pack it, drain it, and cart it
And there it is, in your local supermarket
Red and bloody, a corpse, neatly packed
And you wonder about heart attacks?
Come on now man let's be for real
You are what you eat is the way I feel
But, the Food and Drug Administration
Will tell you meat is the perfect combination
See cows live under fear and stress
Trying to think what's gonna happen next
Fear and stress can become a part of you
In your cells and blood, this is true
So when the cow is killed, believe it
You preserve those cells, you freeze it
Thaw it out with the blood and season it
Then you sit down and begin eatin it
In your body, it's structure becomes your structure
All the fear and stress of another
Any drug is addictive by any name
Even drugs in meat, they are the same
The FDA has America strung out
On drugs in beef no doubt
So if you think that what I say is a bunch of crock
Tell yourself you're gonna try and stop
Eatin meat and you'll see you can't compete
It's the number one drug on the street
Not crack, cause that was made for just black
But brown beef, for all American teeth
Life brings life and death brings death
Keep on eatin the dead and what's left
Absolute disease and negative
Read the book 'How to Eat to Live'
By Elijah Muhammad, it's a brown paperback
For anybody, either white or black
See how many cows must be pumped up fatter
How many rats gotta fall in the batter
How many chickens that eat shit you eat
How much high blood pressure you get from pig feet
See you'll consume, the FDA could care less
They'll sell you donkey meat and say it's
FRESH! For nineteen-ninety, you SUCKERS
-KRS ONE
Wax,
It's not that I don't want to read all that you have to say...but I DO have other pressing issues, like patient care, research projects and well a personal life (and I thought I wrote alot...).
I think we got off on the wrong foot. You immediately came out swinging at me, without knowing who you were up against. The stuff about age, and fitness were mainly to illustrate that diet need not be so special to stay healthy.
Also (and I need to make this short) having access to medical information doesn't make you a physician. It's not access it's how you are able to put the information together.
Foundation is everything, otherwise everything else is useless. Also be precise with your terms. Genocide is too strong a term for your thesis. It implies conspiracy to commit mass murder on the part of whomever manufactures corn syrup...and we both know that's well just silly. Why would you want to kill your customers? Doesn't make financial sense.
DMG
Good point.
Unless, you consider it from the angle of the cats on the blog who believe there is a desire to reduce population, while at the same time increasing wealth for a small minority.
So, corporations sell you products that kill you faster, but you have to buy them until you die.
So, you make money, and you don't have to worry about a whole bunch of humans cluttering up the world.
I'm not saying this is my belief system, I'm saying that under that belief system it makes perfect sense to use the word genocide.
"Only in America can you make a health buck,
and still keep your attitude on self destruct"
-MF Doom
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