Is this another Drugged Up Patsy / False Flag Operation?By David Gardner
Last updated at 3:34 PM on 28th December 2009
About an hour out he went to the lavatory for 20 minutes. When he returned he told neighbours he had an upset stomach and covered himself with a blanket. He was seen fidgeting under it, then fellow passengers heard popping sounds and smelt smoke as Abdulmutallab tried to ignite the device.Passenger Jasper Schuringa, a Dutch film maker, heard a noise like a firework and saw smoke rising from several seats away across the aisle. He said: 'When I saw the suspect was on fire, I freaked. I didn't think. Without hesitation, I just jumped over the seats.'
Chaos erupted as the 32-year-old Dutchman grabbed Abdulmutallab and frantically searched him. His right hand in bandages, Mr Schuringa said: 'I took some kind of object that was already melting and smoking out of him. He had put something on fire that was hidden in his pants.'
Mr Schuringa shouted for water and tried to put out the flames with his hands. He said a liquid dripped on to the floor, where two pillows burst into flames.
Passengers screamed as the flight crew scrambled for fire extinguishers. 'It went very quick,' said Mr Schuringa. 'I grabbed the suspect out of the seat because if he was wearing any more explosives, it would be very dangerous.
'We took him to first class and stripped him to make sure he had no more weapons, no more bombs.'
Abdulmutallab appeared to be 'in a trance', he added. 'He was staring into nothing. The whole plane was screaming, but the suspect, he didn't say a word.' When Mr Schuringa rose to get off the plane after the prisoner was led away in shackles, his fellow passengers broke out in applause.
Lieberman, Specter open to pre-emptive Yemen attacks (Of Course! Bomb yet another country hated by Israel! That's Always The Answer To An Attack On America!)
Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) were on Fox News Sunday describing Yemen as an emerging hotbed of terrorist threats — and calling for pre-emptive action against the failing Islamic state on the Saudi peninsula if necessary.Lieberman: "Somebody in our government said to me in Sana’a, the capital of Yemen, Iraq was yesterday’s war. ... Afghanistan is today’s war. If we don’t act pre-emptively, Yemen will be tomorrow’s war. That’s the danger we face."
Small Doors Lead To Big Rooms.
73 comments:
Who primarily stands to profit from the widespread proliferation and acceptance of this narrative?
OK, look I'm all for questioning, but the cat's dad said his boy was suspect. Dude had explosives in his DRAWS, fly unbuttoned, trying to ignite his own NUTS...
You aren't trying to say dude was set up. Are you?
It seems as though the bigger issues here are the lock step agreement on the right and left when it comes to these wargames and a political system that replaces whores that plant seeds of manufactured consent for the pimp behind the curtain.
KP
KP,
Yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but I really wish people would quit painting dudes that hop on planes with explosives as innocent patsy's that don't know any better.
First thing to recognize is that "jihadists" worship an autonomous god. Meaning, this god can be arbitrary and unknowable. This means the "jihadist" CAN DO ANYTHING TO SERVE HIS god.
Add to this an increasingly radically autonomized society that feeds into alienation and the desire to do what you want intensifies. Further, the ability to go undetected is enhanced.
In short, the patsy's conspiracy will die after a few more of these.
DV thinks these BELIEVERS ain't really in the game. Nah bra, you ain't no ostrich.
I wish cats would stop playing checkers when the game is chess. This "incident" is being used to expand silly airport security measures to further lock down and demoralize Americans and to expand the "war" (strategic attacks designed to agitate and perpetuate conflict) to Yemen.
CNu asks the right question.
KP illuminates the operative point.
Obama is on the air as we speak parroting little NeoCon sound bites about "chasing Al Qaeda and those responsible to the ends of the earth yada yada."
How do we now Mossad didn't pay / drug some dunce to fumble with this contraption on this flight?
15 minutes after this happens ... JOSEPH Dual Citizen LIEBERMAN is prodding the US to attack Yemen and painting the country as the Al Qaeda HQ.
GTFOH
DV,
The problem with your take is that jihadis hustle too! They are motivated and the game board is WIDE OPEN to make big plays. These jihadis are RADICAL AUTONOMISTS at root and can represent the one man cell.
When radical liberals say "diversity is OUR strength," what do you think they mean other than concrete America ceasing to exist?
The same cats bungling our security in an attempt to increase it have many radical jihadis seeking to assert themselves in a win-win situation.
You don't have to pretend like the jihadi doesn't exist because you despise our liberal swine. You can despise both as they work in concert to take our AMERICAN freedoms.
"This "incident" is being used to expand silly airport security measures to further lock down and demoralize Americans and to expand the "war" (strategic attacks designed to agitate and perpetuate conflict) to Yemen."
Ever hear of opportunists? Why do you so often believe things are being orchestrated by some "Mano Negra", rather than idealogues simply using incidents like these as opportunities?
Umm, just because you arrange your checkers like chess pieces don't mean you are playing a game of strategy.
You see conspiracy where there isn't one. You've blow your entire wad on small things...so what's gonna happen if you REALLY do uncover a real conspiracy? Your credibility has already long ago been used up.
Don't confuse your paranoia for analysis.
And Doctor, don't confuse your unwillingness to use your brain for intelligence.
All that followed 9/11 was planned well before 9/11
DMG
You of all people should know that less freedom is easier to protect. If you can't see a concerted effort between radical autonomists of the leftist and jihadist mold seeking to lessen our freedoms so we are easier to "protect" then you're either foolish or complicit. Now, you're down with mandated vaccines and so you seek an easier protection. Does this mean you seek to diminish our American freedoms, US Marine?
II,
Are you saying imperial-minded jihadis aren't real?
DV,
The problem with your take is that jihadis hustle too! They are motivated and the game board is WIDE OPEN to make big plays. These jihadis are RADICAL AUTONOMISTS at root and can represent the one man cell.
When radical liberals say "diversity is OUR strength," what do you think they mean other than concrete America ceasing to exist?
The same cats bungling our security in an attempt to increase it have many radical jihadis seeking to assert themselves in a win-win situation.
You don't have to pretend like the jihadi doesn't exist because you despise our liberal swine. You can despise both as they work in concert to take our AMERICAN freedoms.
Nahhh. Nah TD.
"The Jihadis" & "The NeoCons" are one and the same.
Part of the same Hegelian head fake.
"Jihadis" with access to airplanes and explosives and made for TV fuck ups, are no more "Jihadis" than are you.
They are actors in a play.
Remember the "black Muslim weed smoking ex-Cons" arrested months back in New York planning to bomb "American & Jewish targets" in New York after being offered cash and drugs by and FBI informant?
Guess they were "Jihadis" too, huh?
Nah man.
There is as much apostasy within Islam as there is within Christianity.
19 "Jihadis" no more represent 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide than GW Bush represents 2 billion Christians or Paul Wolfowitz represents 13 million Jews worldwide.
"DV"...
"This 'incident' is being used to expand silly airport security measures..."
Well, what do you care, "DV"? As you've let us all know in no uncertain terms, being (besides Lord Monkton) "The Blackest man On The Planet" you successfully do not submit to any airport security searches whatsoever.
That's right "Michael Fisher".
We know you "Black Militants from Yale" take your shoes off in the parking lot in your efforts not to offend Massa.
OOoops. I mean ... "The Global System of White Supremacy".
Are you saying imperial-minded jihadis aren't real?
As real as unicorns and leprechauns.
Seriously though, a bunch of turban-headed, camel jockeys whose families were nothing but bandit marauders until 50 years ago are hard to take seriously as anything more than charicatures of "bad guys" in children's cartoons or video games.
DV,
When ole dude iced baby killer tiller, dude did so with righteous indignation. Pretending these indignant jihadis ain't in the midst, on the field and ready to make big plays for allah is foolish. If some radical elite white/Jew autonomist is playing the other side to our detriment then we HATE THEM TOO. An enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy.
II,
How is that on the one hand many are plantation, but imperial-minded jihadis--cats who want to kill infidels for allah--aren't real?
For real, imperial-minded jihadis don't exist?
Um um...
Nah TD.
You still got it twisted.
DV don't hate neither one of 'em.
To do so would be to lose the game before it even started.
"Jihadis" are not Islam.
"Likudists" are not Judaism.
The people who attach Islam to the hips of the so-called Jihadis
and
The people who attach Judaism to the hips of ZioNuts
are the same people.
Neither Muslim
nor
Jew.
The enemy is hate. The enemy is lies.
Not a religion.
Not a belief.
Not a color.
So back to it, why has Yemen all-of-a-sudden leapt back to the forefront of strategic interest?
Is it Aden?
Is it a foothold in logistical proximity to Iran and to Pakistan - with no controversy with regard to basing both significant naval and ground forces, as might be the case in the UAE or Oman?
Cause as best I can see, the heatup on Iran fixing to start quick, fast, and in a hurry.
DV,
You act like Islam isn't trying to immobilize its enemy. Much like the radical autonomist, maximizing one's autonomy CAN BE ACHIEVED by minimizing the autonomy of your enemy. In this we have competing manifestations of radical autonomy both working to minimize our autonomy. Both the leftist and the jihadi have divergent aims, but ultimately both seek to reduce our autonomy in their growing sphere of influence. The jihadi and leftist attack the airline industry, one looking to control its bureacracy and the other seeking to ground it in order to stop its intrusion into Islam.
DV,
So submitting and killing infidels ISN'T jihad? Then what is jihad?
"You act like Islam isn't trying to immobilize its enemy." TD
T,
"Islam" can no more try to do anything than "Yoga" can try to do something.
The dialectic is fundamentally flawed.
Participation in that meme is inherently self-defeating.
Any plane bombed by a Muslim hurts Muslims 1,000 times more than anyone else hurt in that airplane.
It is not in the interest of Islam for any Muslim to bomb anything.
In fact, the enemies of Islam, have a greater motive to bomb in the name of Islam than do Muslims.
Now ... who really sponsored this drugged up patsy on Christmas day?
So back to it, why has Yemen all-of-a-sudden leapt back to the forefront of strategic interest?
Why Yemen?
Ummm ... Just as "Climate Change Treaties" were decided long before Copenhagen ...
I'm sure the decision to expand the "war" to Yemen was made long before Kunta Abdullah Kinte set off a bottle rocket on a flight to Detroit.
The NeoCon / Likudists / Straussian / Masons / Luciferians announced waaaay back in 96 that their goal was to destabilize the entire Arab world and manage a state of perpetual chaos.
The concept of "Yemen" is a political abstraction with little real significance.
I don't see any particular significance.
Do you? Hip us.
DV,
Cats follow creeds. The more "truthful" they are the more passionately they are followed. A god that lets you do anything is a god to worship. AND IT EXPLAINS THIS DUDE'S ACTIONS AND PROFESSED BELIEFS.
To claim that jihadis aren't operative because they don't exist is to defy reality. Meaning, you are engaging in your own radical autonomy.
II,
Why not? You seem to have made a name for yourself doing just that.
A motherfucker can walk right up to you, present a business card, DNA sample, and video diary of him and ObL himself chillin' in the cave, plotting to blow something up, and you'd still find a way to say it's a U.S. lead conspiracy.
Whatever, y'all have fun with this one. Hope Mr. Privledged Nigerian's nuts were burned off.
DV,
Yemen is a hot bed of radical autonomy. You have a mass of dudes READY TO DO ANYTHING for allah.
TD,
With a few dollars and the resources of the national intelligence apparatus in short time one could have a mass of Jews READY TO DO ANYTHING for Santa Claus.
There are extremists everywhere. Propping certain extremists up as representative of a completely different whole is a HEAD FAKE.
Most of the violent opposition facing the US today is a response to occupation.
Not an irrational desire to meet Allah or to be given 72 Virgins.
lol..,
This thread has devolved into a regular clown cavalcade.
One set of speculators accusing the other set of speculators of wiseacring,
the peasant screaming his monotonous one note "explanation" for everything in the world he fails to comprehend;
radical autonomy
the whole set to a backdrop of ahistorical and purely speculative nonsense in the form of David Livingstone's inane chindribble.
The right-wing of Beelzebub's garden is in full effect.....,
^^ LOL. Yes, Yes.
And don't forget the inevitable "My links are better than your links" Malthusian Thought of The Day.
Let me guess:
There is some rare mineral essential to produce energy ... found only in Yemen ... and if we don't get more of it before the next lunar eclipse ... the earth will form an icecap along the equator drying up the world's supply of pork rinds causing mass food riots and global genocide. The only survivors will be Star Trek devotees armed with pneumatic air cannons.
Craig clown,
Why don't you copy and paste something.
The dude said he was doing allah work because ALL the real players are BELIEVERS.
Does it matter if anti-Islamic forces facilitated in this debacle?
TD,
If yesterday CNu brainwashed, drugged and duped Kunta Abdullah Kinte into attempting to destroy an airplane with fireworks and lighter fluid in order to kill "Radical Autonomists" ...if he trained Kunta Abdullah Kinte to say he was an online "follower of Thordaddy" ... and if today remote controlled drones were crisscrossing the skies of Southern CA attempting to bomb TD ... would it matter if radical autonomists facilitated the debacle?
DV,
One thing is clear. Cats want to do what the fugg they want to do. Including you... You a believer, too. You play memes that light your face. Leave these other cats in deep
dark space. What's DV? He said this and then said that different meme. Sometimes he Green and down with McKinney. Sometimes he blue and down with ole Denny. But sometimes he red like kid with his nanny. He says jihadis just some misguided patsies. IT DON'T MATTER when they got the bomb, G!!! Who pulled they strings is INDIVIDUALLY irrelevant if you misfortunate enough to be in proximity to this radically autonomous repellant. They ready to kill infidels under the influence or out of affluence. These jihadis be candid and fluid. Repeating they creed, "in the name of allah, yes I can do it."
DV,
Lol!!! Yeah, dawg... Everything matters. So if there is two enemies and you're trying to tell me that there is just one then it matters as to who's pulling your strings???
^^^there ARE TWO enemies...
The drive to do what ever one wants to do is paramount and universal. The trick is to justify it if what one wants
to do diverges from doing Truth. Meaning, the game today is justify my slurry of sin. This is most readily attained through radical autonomy. Radical autonomy is the belief that one may do whatever one wants to do as truth is equivalent to false and blowing up a plane of infidels in the name of allah is fulfilling this radical autonomist's "truth."
Craig,
Who are the players in this reallocation of resources? If this is all just a tug a war over control of energy resources then how do jihadis get factored out? Do Muslims really have a claim over the oil in the Middle East that couldn't be easily usurped utilizing your first principles? And if this energy struggle is ultimately tied to making sure the greenback remains the most saleable commodity, are you as an American on that side?
Aren't key provisions of the PATRIOT Act due to expire soon? If so, the timing of this belated 4th of July show makes sense.
I can see the press conference now.
Eric Holder and Obama in faux solemnity - "we really wanted to restore the Constitution and return the illusion of the rule of law. however, a jihadi who wanted to blow his balls off with firecrackers (leaving him completely impotent for those 72 virgins he would allegedly meet in heaven) ruined it. Sorry America."
And now the police state goes into high gear with body scans and God knows what else.
The police state is getting its ducks in a row for something and it has nothing to do with Yemen.
Does this have to do with Obama's recent presidential order relating to Interpol agents?
For Immediate Release
December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL
AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO
ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
except that Interpol is an investigative rather than true police agency...,
this would be in line with treating such incidents as criminal offenses rather than acts of war and empowering coalition investigative agencies to do their utmost to help get to the root of these criminal rather than military matters.
second, the TSA doesn't even have an appointed administrator yet, Obama's appointee having been held up in Congress because he won't assert an anti-union stance.
Is it Aden? – CNu
Most probably.
“It's there. There's no doubt there's oil there. You don't know until you study a lot further just how much is there. But it has commercial potential. It's got high potential…” --Thomas E. O'Connor, the principal petroleum engineer for the World Bank, who headed an in-depth, three-year study of oil prospects in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's northern coast. (1993)
This oil vein supposedly runs from Yemen across the Gulf of Aden to Somalia.
Cause as best I can see, the heatup on Iran fixing to start quick, fast, and in a hurry. – CNu
Yes sir, and that sudden heat, if certain pundits are correct, would be designed to disrupt the current protest movement in Iran before it becomes a true democratic revolution which would use the oil wealth to benefit the Iranian masses. This is definitely not what Anglo American imperialists and Zionists want to see happen.
http://www.countercurrents.org/cooke281209.htm
Yes sir, and that sudden heat, if certain pundits are correct, would be designed to disrupt the current protest movement in Iran before it becomes a true democratic revolution which would use the oil wealth to benefit the Iranian masses. This is definitely not what Anglo American imperialists and Zionists want to see happen.
My puzzlement intensifies Bro. Makheru.
I was under the impression that the "Green Revolution" in Iran is supported by anglo-american interests, much as the Shah was supported by these interests in his day, and the fantasy narrative which had Walmarts and McDonalds sprouting up in a "liberated" Iraq in the imaginations of that invasions architects.
That said, I find it keenly interesting that the hapless draws bomber was the scion of a Nigerian anglo-american satrap (finance minister) and that he "represented" (at least in his own mind) the populist outrage against the anglo-american rape and pillage of Nigerian resource wealth and good governance that has been underway in that country now for decades.
I hold firm to the opinion that Israel is a garrison state puppet in this undertaking, given the damage likely to be inflicted upon Israel if it pre-emptively attacks the Iranian nuclear infrastructure.
230 billion barrels of Iraqi/Iranian oil is directly in the crosshairs. Yemen may have oil of its own and that's just a pot sweetener - but I think fundamentally - Yemen is a neutral staging point for massively increased military operations in the Gulf whose primary focus will be Iran.
As anglo-american warsocialist and banking interests stand principally to profit from this heatup, and anglo-american interests will certainly control access to that final vast ocean of oil, I think it safe to conclude that Yemen is a final maneuver in the end phase of the Petro Great Game.
Of course, WW-III is what will result from this escalation, as neither Russia, China, or Pakistan is liable to sit idly by as this endgame unfolds...., and assuming the scope and intensity of WW-III can be controlled, then it will be anglo-american interests that primarily profit from the war much as they did from WW-II.
Bradley,
What would be the effect of democratizing the oil revenues in Iran? Ideally, it means GREATER AUTONOMY for the average Iranian. Clearly, in this most primitive of games, one must ask of the benefit TO OUR AUTONOMY that greater Iranian autonomy brings? Certainly, the wrestling over the second most saleable commodity on the global market is tied directly to all of our AUTONOMY.
I get this feeling that you are more than willing to sacrifice the autonomy of Americans for some faulty notion that the energy in the Middle East is mainly Muslim energy? And therefore Muslims should be the primary recepient of the autonomy that energy wealth brings. I say the guy that can dig deeper, take it, tap it and make it cheaper is the keeper. And why pretend like Muslim interests AREN'T using jihadists to seize this most valuable of resource? Is this legitimate in your eyes?
What principles are guys like you and CNu utilizing when you condemn the aggressive acquisition of oil?
What principles are guys like you and CNu utilizing when you condemn the aggressive acquisition of oil? – Thor-child
Principles??? – ROTFLMBAO. A Pilgrim wants to know what’s wrong with theft and genocidal wars of aggression. There’s nothing more useless than speaking a language which criminal minds have no capacity to comprehend, so I’ll defer to the courageous one, Major General Smedley Butler.
[War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people.
Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.
In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.] --
Smedley Darlington Butler, Major General - United States Marine Corps [Retired]--1933
Bro. Makheru is truth!
Accept no substitutes...,
Bradley,
Don't be a clown. Who owns that oil in ME? What do imams, jihadists and allah represent other than the finger pointers, muscle men and brains behind the war?
If there is only one side warring THEN THERE IS NO WAR. Who is the other side that is warring and what do we call your obsfucation in identifying the other party other than sympathy for Islam?
Who owns the oil other than those that can allocate it? All your tripe is just an attempt to put those allocation powers in other hands.
Bottom line, if Islam comes to control major energy resources then you will be ready to submit to its dictates. In fact, you're already subservient.
Td ... Td ... Td
"Islam" can no more "own oil" than "Yoga" can "own oil".
"Islam" can no more wage war than "Vegetarianism" can wage war.
Islam v. The West is just another flavor of the Left/Right paradigm / Hegelian Headfake.
DV,
Just like nobody "owns" the pigskin on the football field and thus it becomes a matter of who wants it more, whoever takes the "capital" gets the capital and may then proceed to score.
Make no mistake, in this game of ruthless capitalism the RUTHLESSNESS is the direct result of worshipping AUTONOMOUS gods whether it be Islam's autonomous god or liberal "Christianity's" god. The desire to pretend as though OIL does not mean AUTONOMY for jihadist interests in the ME is either the result of wanton submission or blind naivety. Further, the desire to incorrectly identify the nature of "American" interests in the ME is a simple attempt to smear the masses with the actions of radical liberals as it is radical liberals, TRUE TO PRINCIPLE, that may do WHATEVER NECESSARY TO MAXIMIZE THEIR AUTONOMY.
It is in this light that guys like you, CNspew and bradley expose yourselves. You guys live to MAXIZE YOUR AUTONOMY by any means necessary. Yet, you pretend as though "American interests" maximizing their autonomy is illegitimate. And further, you pretend as though THERE ARE LIMITS ON WHAT ONE CAN DO TO MAXIMIZE THEIR AUTONOMY even when they WORSHIP autonomous gods.
This war for ENERGY is a direct assault against your take. A take which isn't entirely clear other than to say America must pull back on its desire for performance enhancement.
But just not this American, DV...
TD,
You are falling into the Hegelian trap.
This is not a contest between varieties of "autonomous Gods".
This is just another battle in the ongoing struggle between a Creator God and a God of Apotheosis.
Islam is one of the last bastions of genuine God worship anywhere.
The cats lying, fabricating intelligence and killing people with remote control drones are white boys playing God - Apotheosis.
The ... oil ... is an afterthought.
There is nothing we could possibly want from or through Yemen that we can't already have.
The current government is a puppet already releasing choreographed requests for the US to invade and kill its "Al Qaeda" militants.
This latest bit of drama is designed not to acquire additional oil ... it is designed to perpetuate war, and conflict.
The ultimate goal is to achieve an insane gnostic vision of apocalypse and to invite the return of the anti-Christ as messiah.
They believe war for the sake of war will bring forth their god of evil.
It is in this light that guys like you (niggers) expose yourselves.
rotflmbao...,
now THAT is some comedy muhphuggin gold...,
no matter how long and assiduously you pet that mangy peasant DeVil, it was only a matter of time before it turned and bit your hand.
such, after all, is its nature. a nature it can no more transcend or overcome than a dog can shed its fleas....,
Oh come on Levarrrrr ....
TD. Didn't say "you niggers".
You wrote "niggers".
Because Plantation Negros luuuuuuv to be called "niggers" by white boys.
Gives you a chance to cop out an play victim.
Pussy move man.
Some Plantation Negro shit.
DV,
I can get with your gnostic take and even the idea that there is some genuine god worship in the ME. But if the cats are worshipping a god that is abitrary in his dealings then cats are worshipping an autonomous god. Autonomous gods let the worshipper DO ANYTHING.
OK. TD.
Let's examine the issue through that lens if you insist.
"Autonomous gods let the worshipper DO ANYTHING."
Who in today's world ... is just "DOING ANYTHING"?
The invaders, occupiers, killers of children via remote control, the liars about WMD's, the users of cancer causing depleted uranium weapons, the perpetrators of the Climate Change Hoax, the perpetrators of the H1N1 Pandemic Hoax, the marketers of abortions and engineers of genocide ...
or
cats who pray 5 times a day. Never invaded anybody and are doing what we all would do if we were bombed and occupied - fight back?
DV,
I've already conceded that the liberal "capitalists" in America have much influence in the ME. But it is their liberalism that allows them to operate UNIMPEDED. Yet, this same formula works in Islam. The GENUINE WORSHIP of an arbitrary god (the gnostic view) allows the worshipper to strap bombs for 72 virgins and kill infidels with righteous zeal. It ain't ALL OF THEM, but that is INDIVIDUALLY IRRELEVANT when you're next to the jihadist ready to PRACTICE HIS FAITH.
Are you trying maximize American autonomy or Islam's?
And the same cats you claim are killing Muslims in the ME are the same cats claiming "diversity is our strength" thereby increasing YOUR probability of being next to a jihadist practicing his faith.
This is RADICAL AUTONOMIST versus RADICAL AUTONOMIST.
What is the one man jihadist but a radical autonomist?
What is the liberal "capitalist" but a radical autonomist?
Gives you a chance to cop out an play victim.
lol,
"victim"?
sheeeeiiiittttt......,
you the one playing "can't we all just get along" across species lines Scratch.
I know the nature of a thing and discriminate accordingly.
this knuckle-dragging peasant has always been beyond redemption - it's owned through and through by what you ignorantly and inaccurately term "luciferians"...,
"The GENUINE WORSHIP of an arbitrary god (the gnostic view) allows the worshipper to strap bombs for 72 virgins and kill infidels with righteous zeal." TD
TD. A couple of days ago, a remote controlled drone came from over the horizon and attacked a village compound in Yemen.
30 people, many of them children, were burned to death in the explosion and resultant fire.
Why?
Some sick ideologue SAYS that a religious cleric in the compound once exchanged emails with the Ft. Hood shooter.
Now.
Had a drone come over Santa Monica Blvd. and struck a home in Bel Air ... killing a rabbi and 30 other people including children ... A nuclear strike of someone would be imminent.
Characterizing / Reducing the resistance of Muslims to the aggression that has cost the lives of over 1 MILLION of them during this past decade - as "jihadist" or an attempt to experience "72 Virgins" ... is a ZioNut meme that you seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker.
It is a meme designed to dehumanize the Muslims and to remove the possibility that their fight is just from the discourse ... WHICH (ironically) sets the stage for this ... RADICAL AUTONOMY ... which seems to serve as your memetic foundation.
I don't fear Muslims bra.
Aint no Muslim trying to inject my children with fake H1N1 vaccines.
Aint no Muslim slipping cancer causing GMO foods into the food supply.
Aint no Muslims trying to trick my country into forfeiting our sovereignty and subject ourselves to an unelected global government by lying about "Climate Change".
Aint no Viet Cong called me Nigger. (LOL. Ali was sooo ahead of his time)
Whaaaaat are you talking about Levarrrrrr?
Dude didn't call you a nigger.
You. Made. That. Up.
On some Tawana Brawley shit.
What's next he raped you and wrote bad words on your naked ass with excrement?
Dude is just having a discussion man. A healthy debate.
Why you need to dehumanize the cat? Make him into Lucifer or whatever it is you are saying?
Can't hang?
Can't go toe to toe with a white boy?
Inventing racial epithets and putting those words in another man's mouth?
That's a False Flag operation.
Come on bra.
Since when does the Great CNu get down like a Michael Fisher?
It is a meme designed to dehumanize the Muslims and to remove the possibility that their fight is just from the discourse ...
Their fight is just? What fight? To murder cartoonists, filmmakers and novelists for insulting their religion? Or to spread Islam by force of arms?
By the way, DV... it surprises me not at all to see you spread that particular Ali meme. MUHAMMAD ALI NEVER SAID "Ain't no Viet Cong called me Nigger." He never said it.
But then, you're a sucker for that kind of easily disproved bullshit... ain't you, DV?
CNu...
CNuttin'...
You discriminate so much... You down right predictable.
You like John Edwards in black face...
You in the dungeon slayin' the dragon...
Yeah TD blow fire...
Already got you on my memetic bandwagon...
DV,
It sounds like you believe in some kind of harmonious seperationism?
Drones killing innocent Muslims is a evil thing IF THAT WAS THE INTENT.
If the intent was to kill a violent jihadist then there is the opening for justification.
UBM,
Isn't there a few sensible liberals that recognize the killing of screenwriters and cartoonists is allowed by allah and therefore will be practiced by his worshippers in our ever diversified environment?
Why you need to dehumanize the cat?
To provide counterpoint to your futile and childish attempts to humanize him.
People who kiss dogs in the mouth should be shot with hot pee.
Make him into Lucifer or whatever it is you are saying?
Stop playing dumb DeVil.
You know e.x.a.c.t.l.y. what I'm saying.
The peasant has deified - and will defend to his very last breath - the psychopaths you sloppily handwave at as "luciferians".
That's what ignorant sycophants do.
There is nothing more plantation than a peasant conditioned to act contrary to its own self-interests.
Quit playing captain-save-a-ho...,
Can't hang?
Can't go toe to toe with a white boy?
jigaboo please...,
I don't lay down with dogs,
and I don't get up with fleas....
^^^ This the same clown advocating for a "green devolution" in America.
These fools got other fools clamoring for INTERMITTENT energy consumption (clamoring for limited production) CONTROLLED by an increasingly ARBITRARY elite.
"
These fools got other fools clamoring for INTERMITTENT energy consumption (clamoring for limited production) CONTROLLED by an increasingly ARBITRARY elite." TD
I mean CNu. Bra. You know I love ya man.
But TD got you on this ^^.
All the insults in the world fail to hide the validity of this point.
These fools got other fools clamoring for INTERMITTENT energy consumption (clamoring for limited production) CONTROLLED by an increasingly ARBITRARY elite.
See, laying down with dogs has got you carelessly fixin your mouth to lie like one.
I'm on record as an advocate of the 2000 Watt Society - and for good reason.
Moreover, you're well aware that I put my money and my efforts where my mouth is with regard to accomplishing this aim.
The applied methodology I've devised for accomplishing this end puts nearly all the controls for achieving enhanced efficiency on the consumer side of the energy production/consumption equation.
I do this work because I'm interested in a sustainable future for my chirrens and for yours - and I'll do whatever I can to make that possible.
As for your favorite troglodyte, even a single erg of energy squandered on his and his spawns' oxygen-thieving asses strikes me as an inexcusable waste. It genuinely pains me to think that he and his undeserving ilk might ultimately benefit in some manner, form, or fashion from my work...,
CNothing,
As you say, this is a resource war and the means to acquire said resource are what's in dispute.
When you speak of efficiency, it isn't clear whether this comes from a top/down scenario or whether you are preaching self-sufficiency and a turn away from the advanced economy.
If you can explain how a reduction of 12,000 watts to 2,000 watts per capita without a reduction in standard of living is feasible through more efficient production then clearly you have a top/down regime in mind.
Efficient self-sufficiency = production WITHOUT POTENTIAL for excess capital profitability.
Yeah yeah aight C.
Dogs. Flees. Troglodyte. Spawns. "Oxygen thieving". "Underserving ilk"...
"Save the world" by limiting them to 2,000 watts per day.
Cool.
Sounds like more misanthropic Malthusian bullshit to me.
Under the auspices of "saving the planet", human beings are hindered with an arbitrary and impossible to maintain "energy consumption quota" that effectively and forever characterizes additional human beings as a threat and danger to "earth".
More of that Sci-Fi predictive programming Malthusian / Avatar "humans are bad" ... "nature is good" / reduce the population before it is too late Luciferian mind fucks.
2,000 watts per day? Saves the planet huh?
How about this? Limit muhfuggas to 2% Body Fat.
That could save the world too.
All people more than 20 lbs. overweight have to pay a ... FAT ASS TAX ... to a global government ... Headquartered in Switzerland ... of $1,000 per pound per year.
That will reduce consumption too.
If you want to reduce the population, let the Third World increase their standard of living.
Limiting the energy consumption of developing nations guarantees their poverty, guarantees 3rd World population growth, and ultimately sets the stage for genocide.
Sounds like more misanthropic Malthusian bullshit to me.
DeVil,
I'm not trying to find a discursive, existential, or any other type of middle ground with Farst and his ilk. That's not ever gonna change, so there's no point in you continuing to try to force it to.
Put down the Collins/Livingstone crack pipe and read something fact-based about the scumbags that Farst deifies and will fight for to his dying breath.
Carroll Quigley and the Anglo-American Establishment.
Have you also enlisted in their cause DeVil?
Under the auspices of "saving the planet", human beings are hindered with an arbitrary and impossible to maintain "energy consumption quota" that effectively and forever characterizes additional human beings as a threat and danger to "earth".
Sheer ignorance.
Po folk in the hood here squander 12,000 watts per capita with no "quality of life" benefits to show for it. Compare and contrast that with an affluent Swiss citizen enjoying a much higher living standard on 5000 watts, or an affluent Bermudian getting by on 2000 watts because she's infinitely more mindful about what she uses and how she uses it.
You're well travelled, so you know I'm not lying.
If you want to reduce the population, let the Third World increase their standard of living.
Net available energy supplies useable by humans within existing technical and infrastructural contraints is finite and declining.
So the less energy Americans waste, with no benefits to show for the wastage, the more available net energy there'll be for other folks.
Limiting the energy consumption of developing nations guarantees their poverty, guarantees 3rd World population growth, and ultimately sets the stage for genocide.
lol..,
the stage was set by GHWBush twenty years ago. We're now in the third act - getting poised in Yemen to complete the strategic hangman's noose around Iran.
2,000 watts per day? Saves the planet huh?
How about this? Limit muhfuggas to 2% Body Fat.
That could save the world too.
Nah, better still, restrict vain, posturing, metrosexual muhphuggas to 20 pair of shoes and only 15 bespoke suits.
It's the wasteful effeminate shop till you drop clowns who skew societal values and promote frivolous wastage who need to be put in check.
"I'm not trying to find a discursive, existential, or any other type of middle ground with Farst and his ilk. " CNu
Whoa. Whoa.
Wrong again Levarr DeVante Malthus.
Aint nobody trying to achieve some "middle ground" between CNu and TD.
I'm just pointing out that your endless turrets like insults do not serve to make your argument any stronger.
"Po folk in the hood here squander 12,000 watts per capita with no "quality of life" benefits to show for it." CNu
So ...
The Malthusian answer is to limit the energy consumption of "Po folk", so they can be as "efficient" as the Swiss?
G.T.F.O.H.
Make "Po Folk" NOT "Po Folk" and their energy efficiency will take care of itself.
Reducing industry, exporting jobs and taxing people is a FORMULA to keep people poor.
Eventually you Malthusian nerds will arrive at the conclusion that the only cure for poverty is death.
(Watch the solar powered abortion clinics pop up like mushrooms)
"Net available energy supplies useable by humans within existing technical and infrastructural contraints is finite and declining."
1) Superstitious Malthusian Pseudo Scientific Myth.
2)How do you know energy is "finite"?
My bespoke suits employed 11 people. The wingtips are made from the leather skins left over from you cow eatin' muhfuugas.
Plus. I look good em.
Limit muhfuggas to 2,000 calories per day.
I'm just pointing out that your endless turrets like insults do not serve to make your argument any stronger.
That's Tourette's son, and if making a strong argument or refraining from insulting rhetoric was a prerequisite for spouting off hereabouts, then you would have to ban your damn self.
The Malthusian answer is to limit the energy consumption of "Po folk", so they can be as "efficient" as the Swiss?
The intelligent answer is to make ALL folk energy literate and energy aware so that they can become discretionary energy users in control of their energy consumption - that's the part that pains me about good work falling into the hands of undeserving peasants whom I'd personally just as well see fall into the hands of righteously punitive jihadis.
Make "Po Folk" NOT "Po Folk" and their energy efficiency will take care of itself.
lol..,
given your quasi-vegan pretensions alone, you're about as personally energy inefficient as it's humanly possible to be.
as for the ridiculous notion of increasing the living standard of the Po, increasing the literacy, numeracy and utility of these same folk would be a good starting point.
what exactly do you have to show for yourself in any single one of those dimensions of social/cultural uplift?
Reducing industry, exporting jobs and taxing people is a FORMULA to keep people poor.
DeVil, devil, devil, devil, devil.....,
sigh....,
why you peddlin this *victimology* shyte to me brah?
talk to your favorite peasant.., or his sidekick coonstructive feed-on-black
These sycophants not only deify the authors of the processes you cryin about, these fools rationalize and justify their warsocialist predation as the pinnacle of western civilization.
Eventually you Malthusian nerds will arrive at the conclusion that the only cure for poverty is death.
if you didn't have straw men to argue with, why you wouldn't have anything to argue with at all Beelzebub.
posing and headfaking like you actually care about any current or prospective victim of either poverty or death-dealing.
(Watch the solar powered abortion clinics pop up like mushrooms)
lol..,
Realizing you can't go toe-to-toe on any of the factual points raised thus far, you trying to change the subject one more time again?
Let me repeat the factual statement you're ducking;
"Net available energy supplies useable by humans within existing technical and infrastructural contraints are finite and declining."
2)How do you know energy is "finite"?
That's a nonsensical question Scratch.
Let me bring it back down from the airy-fairy realms of childish imagination, and back into the real world where anglo-american death dealers have once again reintroduced an opportunistic narrative in support of putting boots on the ground in Yemen.
Net.available.energy.supplies.useable.by.humans.within.existing.technical.and.infrastructural.constraints - can be and are routinely measured and evaluated and those measurements are available in the public domain. it's how the resources are priced for the purposes of investment on the supply side and cost on the demand side.
Plus. I look good em.
Limit muhfuggas to 2,000 calories per day.
Go head awn miss wallace simpson, you work it grrrrl....,
Y'all been getting it in.
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