Big Man said ...
DMGYou come to this website all the time and you still think black people have similar points of view because they have similar skin colors.
That's a damn shame. You telling me that you and I think alike? Or me and CNulan? Or you and DV?
Come on man, that's a mind trap. Black people come with all different type of mindsets. The myth of PWIs (predominately white universities) is that the promote diversity. I went to Howard. I met rich kids, poor kids, African, Rastas, Trinis, Dominicans and all other types of black folks. And some not black folks. Diversity was reality at Howard because skin color doesn't have anything to do with diversity. Howard attracts students from all over the world, and thus, provides its students with exposure to ever sort of person they could ever want to meet.
Only most of them have black skin.
As for the uproar over homecoming queen at Hampton (Make sure you get that right before I have to shank ya... Real HU over here) or the problem with white folks at Morehouse, it ain't a biggie.The backlash from PWI's when they feel that there are too many black folks seeking position of authority is well documented. Hell, they'll let niggers play on the teams, but won't let them coach.
All groups segregate. It's amazing that white folks have been able to flip the script and convince so many black folks that they need to be in the vanguard of creating diversity by subjecting themselves to being the only black spot in a cup of cream. It's crazy how they've convinced us that integration is the key to success, while there is tons of evidence that the black community was more close-knit and powerful when he stayed together.
White folks goinna convince black people that going to school where you represent 5 percent of the population is "good for you" but then refuse to do that SAME damn thing themselves the majority of the time.
That's my point. Sure, lots of these PWIs offer great educations.
Ain't nothing wrong with getting educated wherever you feel comfortable. But, the important thing is being comfortable. There is no reason for black folks to subject themselves to mistreatment just to hang out around white folks in college. Later for that.
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How was the diversity of thought at Howard? Much in the way of say, conservative ideology? How much leftist ideology? What was the ratio of Democrat to Republican to Libertarian? On balance, what is the roster of speakers, seminars and guest lecturers every year. I'd be interested to know.
Jonathan
Gotta be honest, I don't know.
But, given the myriad of studies documenting the intense liberal bias at most of America's universities, I would guess it was probably more liberal than conservative it you were just checking for political affiliation.
Then again, black folks, on average, are actually far more conservative in thought and lifestyle than white folks, so I don't know.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Lil' man,
Do you go from blog to blog talking out both sides of your mouth?
lil' man says,
Diversity was reality at Howard because skin color doesn't have anything to do with diversity. (my emphasis)
Jonathan goes on to repeat the "conservative" understanding of diversity as ALLOWING conservative thought.
And although these notions are partly true, they still don't tell us what diversity IS and what is the motivation to promote it?
Diversity IS. The universe is Diversity. Therefore, the attempts above are simply attempts to control the environment and the DEGREE to which we will pursue differentiation and discrimination.
Those who push "diversity" in the name of "inclusion" and to the exclusion of "exclusion" are largely Radical Autonomists seeking to manipulate the game board in their favor.
So when lil' man says "diversity" ISN'T a myriad of skin color AND force integration is questionable, but on his own blog he stands as an anti-capitalist, he is acting as a radical autonomist seeking to manipulate the environment (the diversity) in his favor.
The question is what is HIS endgame...?
...Reads a lot like black separatist supremacy?
But, you have to kind of hide that?
Right, lil' man?
Thor
Or should I say Pot?
You, of all people, have the nerve to question me about where I spend my time on the internet? About going from blog to blog?
Didn't we already have that conversation about motes and beams over at my spot?
My statements are clear and concise. My meaning is obvious and understood by all. Nobody has a problem understanding what information I'm trying to convey.
I don't have to hide what I'm saying. Don't have to manufacture definitions and spend my entire online experience on other people's blogs hoping to gin up support for my thoughts.
What I did was set up a blog. Start writing what was in my mind, and voila, people started coming around to hear what I had to say. No naked pictures. No curse words. No booty-shaking videos. Just the printed word.
So, obviously folks want to hear what I'm saying. Now, why don't you go resurrect one of your blogs, start talking about radical autonomy, radical liberalism and your new-fangled definition of capitalism and draw in the folks who want to listen?
Jesus didn't have ANY problem getting folks to listen to Truth. If that's what you're spitting, you should be just fine.
"My statements are clear and concise. My meaning is obvious and understood by all. " Big Man
Consensus?
OK.
E'rybody knows what you mean. Congratulations.
At Howard I experienced a rich and deep diversity of ideas and experiences unencumbered by any actual or imagined notions of racial limitation or the tyranny of Group Think.
Black wasn't an issue. It was an opportunity.
We were taught free men define themselves while slaves wait to be defined.
At this blog I don't just talk about diversity. I demand it. For the mundane, but polite, is still mundane.
DV
You an intelligent cat.
Yet, you took this quote
"My statements are clear and concise. My meaning is obvious and understood by all."
And got a search for consensus. Come on now, you reaching.
I'm seeking to inform. I want folks to get the message because I think the message is serious business.
Now, the road is narrow, but some folks are still gonna make it. I want to help as many folks as possible make in down that road.
That ain't your aim. I like that. You have your own goals, your own purpose. I understand your distaste for the mundane.
Then again, Gamaliel thought Christianity was just another mundane cult.
lil' man,
Is it wrong for me to ask of you a little coherence in your written thoughts?
What is diversity and why do people clamor for it?
And why do some people see it for the manipulating rhetoric it is while others try to marginilize them?
Is diversity YOUR strength?
Then how can it be MY strength?
Thor said:
"Is it wrong for me to ask of you a little coherence in your written thoughts?"
Now you know how it feels. Next time when you're preaching your radical autonomy, truth n pro-choice gospel, I hope you'll remember this.
Thor said:
"Is it wrong for me to ask of you a little coherence in your written thoughts?"
Now you know how it feels. Next time when you're preaching your radical autonomy, truth n pro-choice gospel, I hope you'll remember this.
Konwomyn,
It's you that HAS PURPOSELY REFRAINED from defining pro-choice and so it is you that adds to the unknowability of YOUR DISPOSITION. This is a fundamental attribute of the radical autonomist. That being another phrase I defined only to have others disagree BUT PURPOSELY REFRAIN from stating the nature of their disagreement. Again, we see a pattern of radical autonomy.
So when lil man talks of diversity, WHAT DOES HE MEAN?
Not skin color... That is not diversity.
What about forced integration? Lil man says that is questionable diversity too.
But what then is diversity?
And what do THEY mean when THEY claim diversity is OUR strength?
I say diversity IS...
And those that seek to increase IT the only way one can, BY BRINGING IN UNKNOWN VARIABLES, are trying to manipulate the main mechanism of action, i.e., the environment, to their distinct and unequivocal benefit.
Will you deny this as the reason you support "diversity?"
Thordaddy
I hear ya, but this was a general comment coz it's not exactly like you yourself come across as the most coherent guy here. Loadsa times you've been asked 'whatchu mean Thor, 'y'aint makin' sense man, whatchu mean' - not just by me - so your words to BigMan are applicable to you too.
Regarding pro-choice - I already stated that I don't believe in the pro/anti choice binary, but in that there are choices. What determines whether a choice is wrong or right depends on the values of that society and the prevailing circumstances governing that choice.
Diversity - it's a matter of perspective. Cultural diversity is never always a bad thing; a totalistic approach has never quite been my thing. It depends on whose needs are pushing diversity and for what ends.
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