Keep It Trill said ...
Genocide-Lite: Mass Birth Control For The Black Middle Class I didn't know it was quite this bad, but finally read it in print from a Yale University study. I'll break it down in a way they can't and wouldn't dare: A college education for a black woman is the most effective form of birth control. "Although black women were more likely than white women to have children early in their academic careers, 45 percent of those born between 1955 and 1960 were childless at age 45 compared to 35 percent of white women born in the same time period."
The study, which is the first to review longitudinal trends in marriage and family formation among highly educated black women, found that black women born after 1950 were twice as likely as white women never to have married by age 45 and twice as likely to be divorced, widowed or separated.
38 comments:
When ya edge-uh-cation
'Bout tolerance n nondiscrimination???
Then ya can't tell tha difference
'Tween procreation n self-annihilation...
In fact, duh good thang tuh do
Is getcha self so smart
U b like CNu...
Say ya son
Justa parasitic blob of goo...
Ain't got no rights
At least 'til tha age uh two...
But this cat PICKED seven
Thatz cuz he got so much edge-uh-cation
Don't even believe n heaven
This ain't tha path Trill...
Think it right tuh killya blood
Nigels who think like that
Summuv tha most diabolical duds...
They so radical autonomist
Foolz thinkin' they b studs...
But tha act so c thru
Look it up and c CNu...
Keep it Trill...
Lookin' at tha stats
Ain't goin' solve marital ills...
But when ya break it down racially
Then ya gotta b ready
Turn back duh clock radically!!!
Cuz this disease uh integration
Itz solution = segregation...
This tha foundation uh black supremacy
But this uh fact
Blacks ain't 'sposed tuh c???
'Stead got busters like CNu
Practicin' radical autonomy!!!
Givin' smart blacks uh bad name...
Crushin' God-ordained marriage
Sayin' two doodz just tha same...
This insane...
But so many black chicks
Practice tha principles that play tha same game...
Thatz y so many chicks hit fo'ty
N feel anonomously lame...
They ashamed!!!
Invested n uh porfolio uv diversity???
Means they gave time tuh tha otha
Now tha clock stop tickin'
Manless... And can't b uh mother...
Broke with fat bank accounts...
This accounts fo' tha misery
Thinkin' how ya got robbed
Invested n diversity!!!
Nondiscrimination n tolerance
Worst investment 'vice ya eva c!!!
Buttcha didn't c it
N now ya do...
So Keep it Trill
N wull c howya come thru???
DV, thanks for the shout out and the compliment. It really put a smile on my face yesterday.
Educated White woman will marry blue collar White Males...Educated Black Woman don't marry working class or Blue collar brothas!
The Emergence of the Educated Anti-Black Male Females, Cynthia Tucker, Condolezza Rice, Lisa Vaquez...
Personally I think the problem goes much deeper than women chasing their dreams. College is only but one of many factors. A woman isn't going to marry herself; so where are the stats on men, are the educated brothers delaying/avoiding marriage too? Whose more likely to avoid/delay men or women? How many of those educated males and females are same-gender loving or in prison or marrying outside of their race?
If you have any info of this nature, please post it KIT. It's important to get to grips with the whole issue, not partial info that is gender-divisive and fodder for the traditionalists.
Thordaddy,
Whatchu mean by:
"Turn back duh clock radically!!!
Cuz this disease uh integration
Itz solution = segregation..."
So why do only sistahs have this problem?
I don't think co-eds of other races do.
Do bruthas just not like smart sistahs?
Konwomyn,
Who helped overturn laws against interracial marriage?
Black dudes wanting white chicks?
Or, black chicks wanting white dudes?
How does the answer to this question help explain the current problem of black women with no men or children?
Does coercive integration have anything to do with it? Does thinking about the evil of segregation have anything to do with???
If this is a racial problem then its roots are in the racial past.
Thordaddy
If this is a racial problem then the roots are certainly in the racial past then you need to go back much farther in history to give appropriate validity to your claim. Pushing for inter-racial marriage is inextricably linked to the slavery days when White women had affairs with enslaved Black men and White men had illegitimate babies with enslaved Black women.
Personally, I'm not sure if this is neccessarily a "racial problem." Not to minimize the concern, I think it's also an evolutionary reflection of the development of present-day 'Western' and 'Eastern' (i.e Japan, Singapore) civilizations. The need for self-preservation via reproduction and reproduction as a supply of labour in a post-industrial society is no longer as great a need.
Greater economic and social freedom for both men and women has now meant indulgence in hedonistic and material pleasures outweighs the need for family which is increasingly seen as a "financial burden" and "career suicide" for those who want to get ahead.
IMO, reduced reproduction and marital rates among Black women in America are only a microcosm of a much bigger, global trend - albeit with it's own complexities and group-survival consequences.
...peace
"Greater economic and social freedom for both men and women has now meant indulgence in hedonistic and material pleasures outweighs the need for family which is increasingly seen as a "financial burden" and "career suicide" for those who want to get ahead."
and you wonder what the issue is??
Konwomyn,
Notice the autonomist's desire to generalize the problem. Black females that hit their forties manless and childless become a bigger societal problem than the particular black female and her beliefs and choices. This way, a black female's loyalty to liberalism is not usurped by any higher loyalties.
Also notice that when a solution is self-evident, it is the position of the radical autonomist to simply act as if they don't understand what the solution is. Again, this is an attempt to protect one's liberalism.
The solution to the problem is not holding integration as highest principle, not let marriage be defined out of existence and restrain one's autonomy so that real loyalty and commitment can prosper. Is that not the essence of marriage?
Thordaddy,
There's no wish to "generalize" but to locate the problem within a wider global context. Talking about things in isolation can be a good thing in illuminating the problems of a specific culture but it can also be dangerous because it's a breeding ground for mysoginist finger-pointing.
This is no less valid than a historic or racially-centred critique and I'm quite sure some of the commenters here are quite capable of giving an informative view in that context.
If liberalism taken to it's extreme seems to be the only way it's understood by an anti-liberalist then that narrow view needs widening to engage in productive discussion rather than to label all that is contrary one's worldview as autonomist (which you see as "inherently evil" and "destructive").
On what basis is "integration [held] as highest principle" and for whom? The motivation for the right to inter-racial unions was because they were illegal and criminalized.
If the solution is self-evident then provide it, seems I'm a little slow here. Unless you're suggesting something else; segregation is not only an impractical but anachronistic idea posing as a solution.
Konwomyn,
If you and a man where the last two blacks on the planet, how would segregation look especially in relation to integration?
Again, you were drawn to this post by a particular problem. But just like Trill, you purposely avoid drawing any truthful conclusion by making the issue general in nature.
First, black women who are nearing forty manless and childless represents disorder. Disorder meaning that which goes against order.
Second, in an increasingly liberal society, the black woman who is nearing forty manless and childless has to be assumed as choosing such a state of affairs.
Third, the cognitive dissonance is in the fact that these black women's first principle are responsible for both their careers and education, but also their blossoming emptiness at being manless and childless.
The solutions are very straightforward and no global consensus is needed.
Thordaddy,
You’re conflating issues here. Extinction is not always related to or resultant of integration, self-preservation is not always the causal and correlation of segregation.
If we were the last two Blacks; only thing that would concern me is whether or not we’d get together to have Black children or if we’d get with other Latino or South Asian or Native Australasians and have mixed race children with them who’d hopefully re-populate the world’s Black people.
If you refuse to engage with what reasons inform her ‘choice’; if indeed it is choice and not circumstance.
What happens at a global, national, local level and what has happened in the past are all things that shape one’s autonomy. Inasmuch as you might want to look at man-less, childless 40 year old Black woman in isolation of her current or past surroundings – local or global, cultural and economic, I fail to see what it offers by way of analysis.
The global is as relevant as it gets. There are many parallels to be drawn and some insight to be gained. Look at the way industrial and post-industrial societies have developed.
Allow me to re-iterate:
“The need for self-preservation via reproduction and reproduction as a supply of labour in a post-industrial society is no longer as great a need.
Greater economic and social freedom for both men and women has now meant indulgence in hedonistic and material pleasures outweighs the need for family which is increasingly seen as a "financial burden" and "career suicide" for those who want to get ahead.”
...one
Please tell me you guys are out not suprise by this? I have several AA friends who can't or don't understand why there are no men for them. DV.... males get a chick! Females act like a woman to draw a male to you.It ain't about your education, really1
Konwomyn,
Look at your pattern of thought. The closer we get to defining the particular problem-black women near forty manless and childless-the more you need to generalize the problem. Trill does the same thing. She opened up with genocide-lite and ended with a comparison to white women. Huh??? You mean in 2009, black women nearing their forties manless and childless didn't choose so? That's what these black women tell themselves???
That's why they're so messed up. They can't take responsibility for the fact that they chose to be manless and childless because they never imagined the emptiness that would come nearing their forties.
The solution is cheap. Black women need an ideological conversion. Whether their fellow black men can provide is another question? DV is trying.
Konwomyn,
The reality is that the farther towards radical autonomy one goes the less idea they have of anything particular. If you reread your thoughts one starts to get the impression that you really aren't sure whether being a black woman nearing her forties manless and childless is a real problem?
In fact, can you tell us why a black woman nearing her forties manless and childless even has meaning let alone the meaning of despair and disorder?
Ok Thordaddy so for these close to 40 Black women unable/unwilling to take responsiblity for their actions - what "ideological conversion" do you propose?
Not segregration, that's a wrong prescription.
Konwomyn,
Because you see integration in absolute terms then it follows that you see segregation in the same way if we are to assume you wish to be consistent. Problem is, the tendency to see integration absolutely is a function of liberal orthodoxy. If nondiscrimination and tolerance are held as highest principles then a program of absolute INTEGRATION is required.
This is what many black women did. They were fully integrated because the principles were so fantastic. All the burdens of wife and mother could be tossed aside never to be lamented.
THESE BLACK WOMEN WERE WRONG.
Their desire for public integration weakened their desire for personal segregation. The kind of personal segregation that says I long for a black man and black children as my irreplaceable legacy.
TD IS SCHOOL.....
Thordaddy,
Generalizing and looking at what's going on everywhere else are two very different things with two very different purposes. It's of interest to me to know why my +-30 yr old Black friends in NY and Philly are single and childless and why my +-30 yr old Black friends in South Africa harbour the exact same fear of marrying late, at best, or never finding someone at all.
So if my concern isn't voiced explicitly as passionate, then consider this the primal stages of joining the dots rather than push the same ol' same ol' 'blame women' for their 'choice' to be manless. The problem is alot more complex than that; I know this.
Understand, from a historical point of view, that integration was a response to enforced segregation.
How might 'personal segregation' have been marked out when women became the breadwinners - say for a single parent who's been abandoned or widowed?
Or the girl who is the only person in the family who academically bright enough to be sent to university pushed through right up to Master's level and when she comes out she has to get a good job to do her family proud? There the notion of an 'imagined' 'personal segregation' conflicts with a direct and real familial demand so the 'imaginary' is put on the backburner for a few years and before you know it, girlfriend's fast approaching 35 and no propositions anywhere on the horizon.
And again considering reality; how might 'personal segregation' have been marked out when brothers are too busy playing the field or chasing their own cash dreams to settle down? And if the myths that 'there are no men out there' or 'men are intimidated by educated women' have even a grain of truth to them, what then for 'personal segregation'?
It's all well and good to suggest things, but they've also got to be applicable to the everyday.
...peace
Konwomyn,
The implication is that black women nearing their forties manless and childless is a problem for black women. But you have yet to articulate why this is a problem? If it is a problem for the simple fact that black woman is manless and childless then it is a simple fact that black woman chose it this way. The attempt to provide an infinite number of different motivations for an increasing number of manless and childless black woman only points to a solution that lies in the individual black woman and takes it out of the hands of some kind of global solution.
Thordaddy
You're being overly-simplistic just coz you want to make a point. his is a problem not only for Black women but Black men too. There's no point in advancing an imaginary 'personal segregation' as possibilty of Black legacy when its a gender-specific and gender-limited propostion.
No attempts here; simply real narratives and examples which show how the notion of 'personal segregation' is inapplicable. The global is quite relevant Thordaddy; the prison industrial complex capturing brothers on the daily in the US is comparable to the AIDS virus and emigration exodus by males affecting SA.
The economic and social freedoms/burdens for women in both parts of the world also tells me the shift in the functioning of society has everything to do with that woman's 'choice'. Of course some women choose to be manless, but of the ones I know; that's hardly their choice but dictated circumstance.
Konwomyn,
The problem with black women nearing their forties manless and childless is that it goes against the natural order of things.
But if you don't believe in the natural order of things because you're an atheist or worship an autonomous god then there is no problem. Literally, THERE IS NO PROBLEMS at all. Just unfulfilled wants and desires that call out for a global solution. That solution is to simply make marriage and procreation meaningless via radical autonomization.
Konwomyn,
The primary way liberalism advances itself is by simply proclaiming a need for more liberalism. If black women who are childless and manless are just victims of cicumstance then the obvious solution is more liberalism. But liberalism is exactly why more black women are manless and childless. So what's the solution other than a return to more traditional ways?
Thordaddy,
More liberalism? Why? That's an understanding of extreme liberalism which is inapplicable in this case and I'm not even sure if extreme liberalism wld prescribe that - how does extreme liberalism combat the want for children other than IVF or substituting children with pets?
And in a normal libertarian view; how about finding out what's happened to society's values towards marriage first of all. And second of all where are the men when these women are making such choices? Why the resistance/avoidance to engage Black men in this problem as this is evidently a problem for the 'legacy' of both Black men and women. Why the refusal/avoidance to engage with global issues when aside from eco-social freedoms/burden being an issue, hedonistic liberalism is spreading just as fast. I thought this might be of significant interest to your radical autonomy meme but alas I was wrong.
No I'm not an atheist and yes I do believe there is a natural order of all things; but to say something goes against the order without understanding why is to me, no closer to a solution to problem as handing out 'get married' pamphlets on a street corner.
I can't explain anymore than I already have as to why I see things as globally connected; but if you choose not to then that's your perspective.
I don't know if there'll be a return to traditional ways with the way biotechnologies are developing and re-configuring the family unit. There's also been the emerging fashionable lifelong partnerships where ones never marry but 'live together', some preferring to be childless within those unions. How to re-centre the child as the future of our human existence is something that ones got to struggle with from all angles; even the Green Nazis preach against more children and reduce children to a carbon footprint. All very sad and it might be that people hit rock bottom first before realising the spiritual and material importance of pro-creation.
...one
Konwomyn,
Why liberalism???
Because that's the only real work other people will be willing to do in order to unburden the manless and childless black woman. They will only work to define the problem out of existence. This is very much your direction as it is not clear that you think a real problem exists because a real solution doesn't either.
The answer to this is not only the recognition of the particular problem, but an understanding that the only solution is a return to tradition.
Anything else simply represents a self-evident redistribution of freedom.
Just trying to keep it real, dx. Radical autonomists hate keeping it real!
@KonWomyn
This is the type of bullshit espoused at http://blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com/
Yea Anon and that's why men will never get that this is totalistic not gender-specific problem for as long as they erase themselves from the scenario.
Thordaddy,
Reality is relative; if you think that's what you've represented even though you've ignored the historical or present-day narratives presented to you and conveniently side-stepped the issue of men - then hey, do you.
Even if it means passing off some vague notion of 'personal segregation' with no real applicability or plausible historical basis is your understanding of reality - do you Bra, that's your gwan.
But please DON'T incorrectly suggest I weigh up real problems as recognizable by real solutions because either you don't get my drift or you choose not to because your very fixed anti-libertarian position comes undone.
As I've said I don't know if a return to traditional values is possible given the way in which societal attitudes and biotechnologies towards reproduction are rapidly changing.
If being uncertain now equates not realising there's a problem then let that burden of misinterpretation be with you and let me concern myself with why this condition exists and what will happen to the manless/womanless childless 40+ tribe if/when they hit rock bottom.
...peace
Konwomyn,
We've already established that black females nearing their forties without husband and children is a problem. But if it's not really fixable then the only answer is more liberalism. More liberalism simply defines the problem out of existence. Your global analysis does the same thing. It says that single black females nearing their forties childless are victims of circumstance. This means the solution is out of their hands and in the hands of others. But how can this be in a radically liberal society? How can black females claim that it was not their adherence to liberal orthodoxy that made them manless and childless? I mean, are black men just supposed to force black females into marriage and childbirth?
...both brutha's and sista's have had a tryin' time not fallin' prey to a viscious system that has diliberately targeted minorities and their relationships...IMO we are livin' in a cultural experiment to normalize destructive human behavior...and have become desensitized to the folly of such behavior...healthy families are critical to the sustainability of any society...i'm sure both sista's and brutha's want healthy prospects for healthy relationships, but because of political, social, economic and whatever else factors that has become a challenge....recognizing this for myself i've learned to turn inward to find solutions....needing serenity to accept the things i cant change the strength to change the things i can and the WISDOM to KNOW the difference...we've all made choices with regard to our "lives" but if we are still dissatisfied we should look at what "we've" contributed to that dissatisfaction seeing that "we" may not be able to "buck the system" collectively at its contribution least not at this time...but i can buck the system from an individual level...restructuring my value system to not only enhance my life but also to create new possibilities for those things that have been a challenge ie a healthy committed relationship....i think more contructive dialogue between sistas and bruthas are needed....and stop the finger pointing....we've all contributed....but it will take courage to talk openly
peace
Thank you dx for some truth and sense.
@KW
i feel whatcha sayin'
you're very welcome
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