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"Oh Shit! ... GMO Food Sterilizes People ... And It's Really A Form of Population Control?"
"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider - founder Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
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Were We All Kunta Kinte? Or Are We Also Mansa Musa?
Barry Goldwater 1909-1998
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. "
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
"It Is Easier To Change A Man's Religion Than It Is To Change His Diet"
Private Prison Industry
2,000,000 human beings in American prisons and counting
IS THIS LITTLE GUY A PERSON?
The founders of the American state understood that the proper functioning of a democracy required an educated electorate. It is this understanding that justifies a system of public education and that led slaveholders to resist the spread of literacy among their chattels. But the meaning of "educated" has changed beyond recognition in two hundred years. Reading, writing, and arithmetic are no longer sufficient to decide on public policy. Now we need quantum mechanics and molecular biology. The knowledge required for political rationality, once available to the masses, is now in the possession of a specially educated elite, a situation that creates a series of tensions and contradictions in the operation of representative democracy.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. P
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Louis Pasteur
"The Microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything."
Beverly Johnson. Beverly Hills. 1978
"Bra! Tell Me About It!"
"Most of the trouble I have had in advancing the cause of the race has come from Negroes."
Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the The McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '
"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
Lord Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science On Society (Routledge Press: New York, 1951).
"At present the population of the world is increasing at about 58,000 per diem. War, so far, has had no very great effect on this increase, which continued throughout each of the world wars.. War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove effective. If a Black Death could spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. The state of affairs might be unpleasant, but what of it?"
Denmark Vesey For President 08
1. Troops Out Of Iraq Immediately. Like By Monday. 2. Money Owed To Haliburton and War Contractors Be Given Directly To The Iraqi People 3. Complete Electoral Reform 4. No Corporate Conglomerate Will Be Allowed To Control More Than 5% Of News Market 5. Federal Reserve Abolished 6. For-Profit Prison Industry Abolished
*George Orwell (1903-1950) English novelist, critic
Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness... If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... The great enemy of clear language is insincerity... The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it... To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle... For a creative writer possession of the truth is less important than emotional sincerity.
“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society will be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.” – Zbigniew Brzezinski
God Don't Make No Mistakes
Gordon Parks 1912-2006
"I suffered evils, but without allowing them to rob me of the freedom to expand."
Great Grandmother Harris
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55 comments:
Again, facts seem to always elude you don't they?
Your scorecard is wrong DV. Here's how it looks from my perspective;)
1.African origins of Christianity check
2.Germ theory of disease NOT CONVINCED of your perspective
3.Polio vaccine hoax NOT CONVINCED of your perspective
4.OPV origins of AIDS NOT CONVINCED of your perspective
5.GMO Eugenics tool check
6.Natl Health care hoax undecided
7.CO2 global warming hoax undecided
8.Green revolution hoaxcheck
9.Processed salt danger yes, but not convinced of that pink salt you mentioned!
10.Darfur hoax undecided
11.H1N1 vaccine danger CHECK!
Given the fact, that Palestine and the surrounding area (and thus Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) is part of Africa historically, culturally, and geographically, that everyone knows that too much salt is dangerous to one's health, and that anyone who read a book knows that Planned Parenthood's leaders were WHITE SUPREMACIST eugenicists, that check list ain't all that impressive. It's like being proud of proclaiming that one said that water is wet. As for the rest... (((shakin' head))). Have you read at least a little bit of Hegel in the meantime, "DV"?
Why did Judas, rat to Romans while Jesus slept?
Because Jesus needed him to.
Hello Sista M.
I like your style. Let's go through your list.
"1.African origins of Christianity check"
"2.Germ theory of disease NOT CONVINCED of your perspective"
You will be. Deconstruct a bit further why vaccines don't work.
3.Polio vaccine hoax NOT CONVINCED of your perspective.
You will be. Research the sudden surge in diagnosis of "spinal meningitis" between 1957 & 1959, 2 years after the introduction of the Salk vaccine. You will see that what was previously diagnosed "polio" was later diagnosed "spinal meningitis", creating the illusion that polio had disappeared. Complete Hoax.
4.OPV origins of AIDS NOT CONVINCED of your perspective
LOL. Come on M. Stop playing. Hilary Koprowski, the virologist who developed, the oral polio vaccine with LIVE MONKEY virus ... tested it on 1 Million Africans in the Belgian Congo between 1957 and 1960.
Where did the first AIDS case appear?
...
...
(jeopardy music)
...
Ding! That's right.
The Belgian Congo, in 1959. An adult African male.
What's the Plantation Explanation of how the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus jumped from monkeys to humans?
That's right. The "Cut Hunter Theory". You know, an African hunter cut himself killing a monkey and was contaminated by the blood.
Bullshit.
Africans been eating monkeys for thousands of years. But AIDS pops up after Hilary Koprowski (completely financed by the world's #1 Eugenics organization, the Rockefeller Foundation by the way) injected 1 million Africans with LIVE MONKEY VIRUS.
Mahndisa. Just go on and give your boy a check.
5.GMO Eugenics tool check
6.Natl Health care hoax undecided
Think about it M. "National Health Care" is an insurance scam. A money payment scam. It guarantees the people collectively pay the salaries of fools like DMG, who wish to monopolize health care.
The shit's a joke. What in the Fuuug have corporate doctors healed? Other than triage they are complete quacks.
7.CO2 global warming hoax undecided
You will be. The Global Warming hoax is predicated upon the assumption that man made CO2 emissions are causing the earth to heat up. BULLLLLLLLLSHIT.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant, but a naturally occurring atmospheric substance.
CO2 makes up .054% of the atmosphere.
Volcanoes produce far more CO2 than humans.
Animals produce more CO2 than volcanoes.
Decaying vegetation produces more CO2 than animals (remember Gore’s explanation for why the red line is so squiggly?; He left out half the explanation.)
The OCEANS produce more CO2 than vegetation, animals, volcanoes, and the puny, insignificant amount of CO2 humans produce.
Another scare scam to get your loot Mahndisa.
8.Green revolution hoaxcheck
9.Processed salt danger yes, but not convinced of that pink salt you mentioned!
You will be. If processed salt (iodine) is toxic ... what's less processed than Himalayan pink salt? Name another salt with a higher mineral content. (minerals are what you need from salt. not iodine. That's a Plantation myth)
10.Darfur hoax undecided
LOL. Yeah right. LOL. Come on. Regime change in another oil rich black Muslim country is just .... toooo convenient.
11.H1N1 vaccine danger CHECK!
Mahndisa. Your boy is 11 for 11.
Don't let the Potato Head Plantation Negro haters get you twisted.
About virology and AIDS... it is a well known fact that Salk used infected monkey kidney tissue to build some components of his vaccine; they even teach this in school now. However, I cannot give you a check because I believe in the germ theory of disease at this time and the research on HIV disease in terms of how it works is necessary.
DO I think HIV disease is manmade, possibly. But some mechanisms you've discussed on your blog seem glaringly incorrect to me.
Global warming and all that is another can of worms. I do believe that humans are poisoning the planet and if you came out to the valley some of these days, you'd see it for yourself. Since the anti environmental toxin folk are aligned with the greens, no check for you...
Salt? Hey, for people who don't have enough iodine in their diet table salt can be a good thing; all in moderation though. The pink Himylayan salt seems to have bacteria that gives it that color and I am unaware of any benefits associated with that bacteria.
As I said before, I use sea salt, table salt, kosher salt for various applications.
I like to stay out of Darfur discussions. But when I was wanting a salty taste a few minutes ago, I went for the BRAGG liquid amino acids that is not fermented and far healthier than soy sauce:)
Hey,
I see some peops are extra-salty right now; DV is School. And that's the TRUTH. Its not some Plantation Class where students learn in a hierarchical fashion with few challenges to the Professor; this is each one teach one street style. In my time here I've learnt as much from DV as I have from the other regular intellectual insurrectionists. If y'all think you're a beast then rack 'em up, stack 'em up. Put up your own score cards of how well you think you've done versus the Plantation or versus DV to elevate the game and sooth your bruised egos, otherwise fall back.
As much as y'all ego-trip, hate and cuss it out; y'all lurve The School of DV. It's a choice to be here. Of all the hundreds of thousands of blogs at your fingertips, you're spoilt for choice, but still DV.net is The Chosen One. And for some it's been the Prime Choice for YEARS. Why? Because y'all dig it; the drama, the battles, the jokes; y'all love it. Calling this a 'toddler's playground' is nothing but love and appreciation from the smartest toddlers with record attendance. Awww, sweet.
Where else in the blogosphere does one get a combination of the brightest minds and baddest lyricists bringing it HARD, thread upon thread? Game recognise game; even if game doesn't alwayz see eye to eye.
This right hurrr is GSBS in virtual play & mad props to DV for the playground.
...peace
Extra salty? LOL! hehehehehehehehehehhe
On the scorecard:
On Climate Change Hoax: I'd see it as Climate Change Vogue because its cool to be green these days; for the pseudo-conscious its something they can pretend to sound smart about and keeps hippy activists busy as social rebels. Politically its a voting ticket; and on the global change front its a moral-economic tussle between the poor and rich nations.
Granted there are serious questions abt the links between CO2 emissions and global warming, but it doesn't mean that the earth's resources are not finite, nor does it mean that the world's focus should be placed on this soley to the extent that other pressing enviromental issues like biodiversity play second fiddle or issues like combatting global poverty or dropping the debt get shafted like what happened at the G8 Gleneagles Summit in 2005, Scotland.
On Darfur Crisis Hoax: I'd have to go back through the archives to see what DV said, but I trust he knocked the West's favorite celeb philanthropists Bob Geldof, Anglelina Jolie and George Clooney.
The shrills for US military intervention were based on an oversimplification of the political issues and misnaming of this as 'religious' or 'Arab v African' conflict.'
Darfur was also another push towards AfriCom; the setup of US military bases in Africa. (Bush's imperialist agenda Obama, Clinton & Susan Rice are shamefully continuing & with great haste.) On Darfur I'd recommend you read opinions on Mahmood Mamdani's Saviors and Survivors. In the book and other articles he talks about the US's military agenda driving the Campaign:
"One needs to bear in mind that the movement to Save Darfur – like the War on Terror – is not a peace movement: it calls for a military intervention rather than political reconciliation, punishment rather than peace....Iraq makes some Americans feel responsible and guilty. . . Darfur, in contrast, is an act not of responsibility but of philanthropy. Unlike Iraq, Darfur is a place for which Americans do not need to feel responsible but choose to take responsibility."
Research the sudden surge in diagnosis of "spinal meningitis" between 1957 & 1959...
Denmark Peasy got that from Viera Scheibner, a retired geologist, who has written:
"Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis....... According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That's where all those 30,000 - 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination."
Research Viera Scheibner, and you'll realize that Denmark Peasy's analytical skills are comically lacking. I suggest starting with the footnotes in Scheibner's Wikipedia entry. ("A great number of critics have questioned her qualifications, research abilities, and honesty.")
UBM,
Re: Schreiber
Fair enuff you disproved her credibility in the last thread BUT there were other more credible sources that were cited showing links between polio and leukaemia as well as spinal paralytic poliomyelitis. Lest ones forget...
KW, why you even bother to respond to that fusterclucked ad hominem that made a combined erroneous appeal to authority and appeal to popularity?
UBM has proven time and time again that his exclusive area of subject matter expertise consists in cobbling logical fallacies to attempt to sway or distort views of others....,
Thank you CNu. Nowhere does UBM dispute the substance of Schreiber's point - or DV's. He just makes a snarky comment about her "qualifications" (read: Plantation approval) and thinks that ends the discussion.
Given that no one reading this blog is an expert on virology... somebody's gonna have to appeal to authority somewhere.
Denmark Peasy constantly appeals to the authority of quacks, conspiracists and lunatics.
CNu... I think your muffins are done. You'd better check.
hot fresh rice pudding w/cream and raisins soaked in triple sec with the unabsorbed liquor thrown into the custard for good measure.
bellies full, family happily reading the paper and playing centipede and asteroids.
I'd ask about your peeps bee-hotch, and what cold takeout leftovers you grumped up on this morning, but then, that'd be just plain mean - wouldn't it?
I had a hot Spam 'n' cheese sammich... with sweet hot mustard. And I loved it.
Happy Sunday to you and yours.
Yeah ... UB.
I hear ya man.
But you only person this thread with cancer.
When it comes to choosing which authorities to heed, your credibility is obviously lacking.
Isn't that like a man with bad credit giving financial advice to the solvent?
Apparently your lapdog loyalty to the epistemological cartel I call the Plantation is not serving you well.
^ Au contraire, Pierre. I speak as walking, talking proof of the basic functionality of the medical establishment.
I was diagnosed with the Hodgkins 26 years ago. At that point, they broke it down thusly: Go through this chemo regimen, and you got an 80 percent chance of being alive five years out.
I went for it. And sure enough, they handled that shit.
The fact that I've been grubbing on donuts and fried chicken ever since is my fault, not the medical establishment's.
Matter fact, the only conspiracy going on is doctors conspiring to keep me alive in spite of myself.
Well aight then big ups. I stand corrected.
I give credit where credit is due.
If it aint broke don't fix it.
DV...
"I hear ya man.
But you only person this thread with cancer."
"DV" blaming the victim...
My mom died of cancer, asshole. And she never ate or did anything unhealthy in all her life. Fucking retard.
Mike,
Should you be angry with our host or pity him?
If he were just some guy with below average intelligence, I'd say pity him because he can't help it.
However, there have been several times I've actually believed him to be a rather intelligent person. Because of this I feel anger rather than pity is in order, as he continues along the path of ignorance when all along this path there are signposts and people trying to guide him back toward the truth. Our host with his myopic views, instead steadfastly remains on his path.
March on, MOTI, march on...but eventually you may want to get your nose out of the air long enough to see that the road of ignorance dead-ends and that you are approaching a cliff.
"DV" blaming the victim...
"My mom died of cancer, asshole. And she never ate or did anything unhealthy in all her life. Fucking retard." "MF"
Oh.
My fault "Mike Fisher".
I didn't realize healthy people died of cancer.
Notice the Plantation Negro capitulation to the notion that cancer ... "just happens" ... like getting struck by lightening.
And notice the Plantation Negro, MD right on the scene to enforce that meme with radiation, chemicals and vaccines.
No.
Cancer is as preventable as is tooth decay.
You don't wait until your teeth rot to treat them, why wait until your gut rots or your blood gets poisoned?
If cancer disappeared tomorrow half of the "MD's" in America would be out of business.
Thus the emphasis on cancer "treatment" instead of prevention.
LOL. Funny thing is. A brother celebrating healthy organic natural food, sunshine and Vitamin D ... is the "villian" and these old ass anachronistic out-of-step, dusty faced, fat gut Plantation Conformists selling synthetic monkey virus, anti-freeze and mercury, bend over backwards to play the "victim".
Go figure.
...perhaps if you knew that "cancer" is not one disease and that all cancers do not arise from the same etiology you'd change your statement. Details, man. Details.
You aren't the villain for promoting sunshine. You are the villain because you simple don't know what the fuck you are talking about, but your ego won't let you admit it. You are attempting to dispense medical advise without understanding basic science. You have no basis for your arguments against medicine.
Again, guy with big, loud mouth, and a soap-box leads the masses astray. What are you going to tell the folks who don't get vaccinated, but rather take your Vitamin D supplements/sunshine who get a severe form of H1N1 and languish on a respirator for weeks on end?
My bad?
^^ Again ... the Negro MD is delusional.
He seems blind to the reality that since his brand of medicine managed to hi-jack and monopolize the health care apparatus of this country ... CANER HAS EXPLODED. Yup. ALL of them.
People practiced medicine and used science to better our health for thousands of years before these little medical schools the AMA and The Rockefeller Foundation wrapped themselves in the flag of "science" and formed a de facto KNOWLEDGE MAFIA with the help of the government.
Now little unimaginative morons like The Negro MD actually thinks the machine that produced him represents science... exclusively.
Your "MD" is nothing more than a union card Doc.
On your watch, Americans are more unhealthy than they've ever been.
Yeah. You can keep them alive with drugs. But they are the walking dead.
Walk away from that shit Doc. Use your education. Go natural.
It's the future.
People are walking away from Plantation Medicine by the droves.
It's inevitable. The better educated and the more informed people become, the less sense you make.
Don't get left behind.
DV...
"People practiced medicine and used science to better our health for thousands of years before these little medical schools the AMA..."
Well, "DV" I suggest you snatch the next time machine and mozy on back in time to your golden era of health care when the average life expectancy of a human being was 32 years, as in the mid-nineteenth century. Or 46 as in 1900.
Like I said. Retard.
(((shakin' head)))
(((shakin' head))) "MF"
More like he {{{{bumped his head}}}}.
Mike, what improved 'life expectancy' more, improvements in sanitation or the advent of drugs like Oxycontin?
Increased carrying capacity with industrialized food production or mass "inoculations".
LOL. Crackas got you "black Yale "militants" buying his bullshit while you PRETEND to fight him.
... "retard"? (This Negro done turned into an eleven year old white girl on me.)
UB. Talk to your boy.
Obviously sanitation had to do with it. Problem is, "DV", that your "golden age" health "professionals" didn't practice it. It was scientific effort that got it going. And, naw, Penicillin, anti-biotics, advances in surgery and the like had nothing to do with the increase of life expectancy. Right "DV"?
Like I said. Retard. And the levitation/owl folks who follow your quackery ain't much brighter.
How many times do I need to repeat:
CORRELATION
DOES
NOT
EQUAL
CAUSATION
Are you blind? Deaf? Just can't read? Or stupid?
I'm thinking the latter.
Well the correlation coefficient seems to be rather high in this case. Even other doctors are acknowledging that she likely had a bad reaction to the vaccine.
...I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me that you've calculated the correlation coefficient?
With an n=1?
That was a diagnosis of EXCLUSION. And actually, I have not seen one article that confirms anything. They all say it may have been, which is a far cry from confirmation.
Oh, wait, found a online news article that says the CDC found 5 reports of dystonia since 1991, out of a BILLION seasonal flu vaccines...there, you can crunch your correlation coefficient numbers now. Let me know what you come up with...because, I'm here to help you. :)
Now you know you are being ridiculous asking me that. I have no data on her to perform such a calculation. I was speaking figuratively, and simply meant that if the doctors who commented knew her physical condition before the vaccine, and she changed nothing in her environment around that time,it is highly likely that the vaccine reaction caused her condition. Ergo a high correlation coefficient that vaccine could have caused such damage. You can discuss correlations with one data point if you wish; this is called auto correlation. In fact, a discussion of auto correlation is crucial when you only have a sample of 1.
But since you know very little of mathematics, I will provide this link for you in good faith.They incorporate the auto correlation coefficient measure as a tool for assessing goodness of fit between actual v theoretical values.
Again, randomized double blind studies showing efficacy of vaccines please? We are all waiting for the smoking gun. You've not yet produced it. From what I've researched there have been very few studies done in this way to test the vaccine efficacy, ethics reasons being a bit of an impediment...
This discussion is just one reason why my patience for doctors, or those who claim to be doctors is so limited. You chastize everyone for discussion medicine, but try discussing statistics and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about but are too ignorant and prideful to admit it.
This goes back to the fact that you could not answer the question I posed to you months ago and skirted around it. There is a paired T Test which is good for affirming or rejecting the null hypothesis for the same data points both before and after an intervention. If you look at say blood pressure before an intervention then give a drug then measure the blood pressure after the intervention with the same subject, you are fine to do a paired t test. Clinical trials studies use this measure quite a bit. Your ignorance is glaringly obvious.
"Well the correlation coefficient seems to be rather high in this case."
So now you are saying you have no basis for this statement. Thank you. You used the word "coefficient" like you knew what you were talking about.
It is NOT highly likely, correlation, causation...etc, etc. we've been over this. You tried to sneak a big word in and got caught, just admit and move on. You made a mistake. Don't compound things with your elementary stats class drivel.
you made a mistake because you don't know anything about statistics. like I said the only word I forgot was auto correlation coefficient. the fact that you don't know jack shit about elementary stats and didn't figure that out for yourself shows your ignorance. Again, where are the randomized double blind studies showing the efficacy of vaccines?
BULLSHIT.
You weren't thinking of auto correlation when you made your statement.
You know that.
I know that.
You aren't that clever.
And it does not apply in this situation. You pull this stats crap from deep within your bowels with almost every discussion, and it's tired.
That womans disease state is an n=1 with not even a half dozen similar cases over almost 20 years and over a billion people vaccinated. You are stretching hard on this one. I suggest phoning a statistics professor friend to talk you down.
Perhaps you've never heard of the word:
COINCIDENCE.
Auto correlation is relevant to this discussion because we only have a sample of one.I am sure that an autocorrelation coefficient measurement would be appropriate to her case, for whatever parameters they measure. If you knew anything about statistics, the qualifier auto would not have been necessary as it would have been apparent what I was talking about. Now the word auto is explicit so that you can do the research and see how it is defined and used in clinical trial studies. Too bad you didn't read that radiation and dosimetry paper I linked to earlier, it might have taught you something about relevant stats measures...
I can see quite clearly that you try to hide your lack of knowledge in certain areas by tossing about insults and blowing hot air. Where is the substance? There is none. Where is the knowledge of stats? It isn't there, which is why you cannot answer anything I've asked of you. You lack the knowledge, the werwithal and critical thinking ability.
Last chance, where are the randomized double blind studies showing the efficacy of vaccines? Stop ignoring the question and answer it.
That womans[sic]disease state is an n=1 with not even a half dozen similar cases over almost 20 years and over a billion people vaccinated. -DMG
This is why you are glaringly ignorant of statistics. When one has a small sample where an intervention was performed, there are two measures that come to mind to see whether or not the intervention had an effect or not. The paired t test and then an autocorrelation coefficient measurement. The autocorrelation coefficient measurement is crucial because it requires us to measure our parameters both before and after the intervention and tells us whether or not the states are likely correlated or not.
I am sorry that your ignorance prevents you from learning about stats and which measurements are appropriate for what situation. But since pre med programs don't require you to take calculus based statistics or go much farther than the second semester of calculus, of course you are at a disadvantage.
Chin up old boy and read.
As to your ignorant statement above, you have conflated population statistics with sample statistics. It doesn't matter that putative vaccine reactions are rare in the general population because we are discussing a sample of 1 where it is highly likely that she had an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
Why would I read a read a radiation paper THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OTHER THAN TO COVER UP A STUPID STATEMENT YOU MADE EARLIER, when we are discussing something as simple as 5 in a BILLION...WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that the vaccine is the cause?
When you hear hoofbeats do you think of horses or zebras? I'm thinking you think of zebras. I'm again finished talking with you. As always, you've proved yourself an unrepentent moron. You don't understand the concept of conincidence, fact, evidence, or really anything. Do you know the age of onset of adult-onset dystonia? Do you know her age? Do you know what other risk factors this woman had? Do you know what other substances, drugs, supplements she'd been taking for years prior to this event? Do you know if she's faking?
No. You don't. You watched a few minutes of Fox, and started spewing pseudo-scientific garbage.
Last chance my ass. You've time and again proven to be well...just dumb. Look on the other thread.
..and now you've proven at last that you have not concept of basic statistics....supposedly YOUR subject. Laughable.
By the way my dear. I took the engineering calculus. I wasn't a "pre-med" so to speak. What are your credentials? I'm waiting to hear about your doctorate in mathematics. If you are so dense as to try to make something out of nothing then there's no hope for you.
Mahndisa...
"Auto correlation is relevant to this discussion because we only have a sample of one."
I'm no expert, Mahndisa, but wouldn't that require some kind of time series in the context of which that single sample would be auto-correlated?
DMG if you cannot see the tie in by reading that paper to the discussion then like I said, you don't know very much about statistics. Taking three or four courses in engineering calculus is not the same as taking a course in calculus based statistics. There are some concepts that you have conflated as I said above and your ignorance and unwillingness to admit this shows your unrepenting attitude.
Again you are simply blowing hot air without truly understanding why you are arguing. It is really a shame. Most engineering student's I've known are not required to take calculus based statistics so again, have you? Because if you have I am certain we'd not be discussing this fairly simple issue.
Fish auto correlations can certainly pop up in times series models to see if the data points are truly randomly distributed ie if they are correlated or not, because as I stated above, you want to observe a parameter at one time and then see what that parameter is doing at a later time. This simplistic model is the basis for why auto correlation coefficient measurements are so important and clearly lends itself to clinical trials studies and studies on efficacy of drugs and processes...And if you want to get simpler, a paired t test would be appropriate to look at parameters in your sample both before and after an intervention. This can either verify the null hypothesis or NOT.
If you only have a sample of one person, you can still grab a lot of information from this one sample because you can measure various parameters like blood pressure, resting heart rate, white blood cell counts etc before the vaccine injection then afterward.
This is simple stuff. Here is a link for a better explanation of its usefulness.
I appreciate your question Fish; it showed that you have some familiarity with the concepts and aren't afraid to discuss them. If I stated anything wrong, I'd freely admit to it. The problem is, I haven't.
Fish, here is the relevant text from the link above:
"Autocorrelation is a correlation coefficient However, instead of correlation between two different variables, the correlation is between two values of the same variable at times Xi and Xi+k. "
Mahndisa,
In addition to Basic, Biological, and Medical statistics courses...the last two graduate level.
You are making ALOT of assumptions, stop being bullheaded. You are doing quite a bit of stretching for very little gain.
This is coincidence at best. There is no objective proof that the etiology of this woman's condition is vaccine related. In another article it says she shopped around and saw something like 60 physicians before she got the diagnosis she wanted.
The assumptions come into play when you do not wish to admit your ignorance of statistical measures relevant to discussing her condition. You have not said that you took calculus based statistics at all. Notice that you said basic biology and medical statistics. I've taken a stats class for med students before and there was no rigor there. Perhaps this is why you don't know the difference between population and sample statistics and why you were unfamiliar with auto correlation measures or why you didn't know what a simple paired t test was when asked about it a few months ago.
If she shopped around for sixty physicians before she got a diagnosis it's likely because they could not make heads or tails of her condition and referred her to specialists. In very rare disease states this is quite common. As a doctor I am sure you are famliar with sphincter of Oddi. Since dysfunction there is so rare, sometimes it takes people twenty or more years to get a diagnosis. Does that mean that they aren't sick or does it mean that the usual medical doctors don't have the expertise to diagnose and treat these issues?
Get over yourself.
I guess we can all just agree that not only are you nuttier than a bag of peanuts, you'll do ANYTHING to continue a long lost fight.
The condition is rare. There's no indication that the vaccination is the culprit. Please stop, you are embarrassing yourself and probably losing credibility even with your fans.
As far as SOD is concerned there are ALOT of reasons people have pain and discomfort post cholecystectomy. That's not the first diagnosis one jumps to.
Can you stop now? You can't give any evidence that the correlation coefficient is high...or that there is any correlation at all. Move along, you got boring two days ago.
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Salt: We require electric impulses. Water that has been purified (say, osmosis) isn't a conduit anymore then our bodies will be without minerals. The minerals are required, iodine being one. Also, we don't need the chemical that keeps the refined salt from clumping so when it rains it pours.
I can't speak to DV's strange owl thing.
"You can't give any evidence that the correlation coefficient is high...or that there is any correlation at all." DMG has no more evidence for his position as well. We can draw our own conclusions.
My M.D. has an 'all of the above' approach. He encourages the sunshine and vitamin D thing. He is kind to allow an individual who is more comfortable with only a M.D. approach but is honest and helpful with other things as well. This seems to encourage trust.
My M.D. will leave his practice if gov't takes over health care.
Smile,
"DMG has no more evidence for his position as well. We can draw our own conclusions."
Please don't so easily say that our statements are on even ground. My statements are backed up with evidence...VOLUMES of evidence, by the way. Mahndisa was attempting to use words she expected nobody here to recognize. She did not calculate the correlation coefficient, because she COULD NOT. So she attempted to pull out another obscure equation to justify her first ignorant statement. She's not speaking from a position of knowledge and experience. Your comment above is spoken out of ignorance of BOTH subjects. But again...believe who you want. I really could not care any less.
If your physician, is encouranging extra Vitamin D instead of or with vaccination, he should probably read the literature a bit closer. Nobody is saying not to get enough sunshine, or not to try to live a healthy life by eating a good diet, and doing the right things for your body. But if people in places like Tucson, Arizona or Charlotte, North Carolina are dropping dead 10 hours after feeling a bit sick from the flu, you may want to rethink your Vitamin D and Sunshine strategy. And perhaps you may want to refamiliarize yourself with the latitude and hours per year of sunshine of places like say Mexico City...where there was quite the outbreak of H1N1--and not just among the malnourished. Please, smile, if you can find a correlation between H1N1 novel influenza and latitudes/average hours of sunshine post it. By the sunshine/Vitamin D theory places like Scandinavia and the southern tip of Argentina should have had excessive incidence of H1N1 outbreak and death.
And if your physician leaves his practice because of "government 'taking over' health care...good fucking riddance", he's probably more interested in dollar signs than vital signs in the first place.
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