Monday, July 25, 2011

Michael Fisher Explains Why Hip Hop Is Bad


 
"Maybe I spoke about my cash flow because Im 5'10 and fair skinned and not tall and dark ."

Michael Fisher said ...
And that, my friends, is the essence of modern "Hip Hop"

Allow me to quote myself from the very first post of my, now inactive, blog:

"Around 1990 a conscious decision was made by a small number of record executives and artist managers out of Los Angeles that the best way to get young black men to buy records (black women were already buying tons of records featuring R&B) was to appeal to the most powerful fantasy alive in the average young heterosexual male: Unfettered access to attractive, sexy, young women.
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Denmark Vesey
said ...
The Mike Fisher phenomenon is interesting but not rare. The battlefield of the recording industry is littered with the mutilated corpses of music industry executives unable to adapt to the changing business model and cultural sensibilities that occurred soon after the explosion of what we call "Hip Hop".

Prior to the Hip Hop era the recording industry was nothing more than sharecropping. Instead of tobacco or cotton, the harvest was wax. All the record labels were run by Jews who established a parasitic oligarchy that funneled the vast majority of the profits generated by songwriters and performers directly to the distributors pockets. Artists were forced to sign draconian publishing contracts and mechanical licenses that made them de facto indentured servants. Though their art generated enormous revenues most lived their entire careers in perpetual debt, and many died penniless. The story is all too well known.

After the early years of Chuck Berry and race records, as the nation emerged from the turbulent 60's, and black artists became a bit more aware, the recording industry business model evolved slightly. It didn't due for Jews to be in direct control of black artists as in previous years. With the exception of the Clive Davis charade, the days of the Jewish "A&R" gave way to the occasional black "owned" record label and a handful of black "executives" employed by the record label to "manage" their stable of highly profitable black artists.

When the dynamic new art form called Hip Hop exploded from the streets of New York and soon galvanized the attention of the world, it was initially marshaled by that thin layer of black overseers whose job it was to funnel profitable money makers to the Jewish record labels. Unbeknownst to the Plantation Negro trustees of the record labels, they were not only marshaling raps, scratches and 808's, they were also opening the door to black business acumen learned in the streets.

Reaganomics and the War On Drugs produced a young black entrepreneurial class that not only applied their genius and talent to making music, they applied it to making money. It didn't take long before this wave of new talent saw through the sharecropping business model of old and sought ways to remove the unnecessary middle men. It's no mistake that former drug dealers, schooled in the arts of distribution, management and marketing, like Master P and Cash Money Records, were among the first recording artists to own their own masters.

The same skill set involved in breaking a new record is not much different than the skill set necessary for breaking a brick of cocaine. Hustlers thrived. Lames fell to the way side. That layer of black music industry "executives" who worked directly for or in some cases with the record labels found themselves squeezed out. Those who thought their educations would endear them to the Jewish distributors who wouldn't want to work directly with these ... crude ... street level ... niggers ... soon found themselves without a job. Out with the old ... in with the young.

Seeking to rationalize their dismissal many crafted Byzantine conspiracy theories rationalizing their personal demise. Initially these theories foretold of Hip Hop's inevitable "downfall". Thirty years later Hip Hop thrives. Now the ideology of the failed Negro Executive centers around the "destructive nature" of Hip Hop ... (the implication is "see what you get when you don't involve me").

When it comes to Hip Hop, I see a glass that is 3/4's full. I see a bastion of Duboise's Talented Tenth that looks vastly different than the legions of neutered and conformed establishment produced Undercover Plantation Negros many had come to expect. I see and hear raw expressions of art, ideas and empowerment leagues ahead of what is produced by our more conventional outlets. Between the lines and behind the lyrics is one of the last bastions of truth in a vast desert of lies and deceit.

On the surface are there distasteful lyrics? Of course. Anything examined in isolation is damnable. Rappers play the cards they were dealt. We live in an era of secular fanaticism. The same people condemning Hip Hop TiVo Desperate Housewives. Hip Hop examined as a whole is one of the few institutions capable distributing empowering memes. Hustle Hard.

27 comments:

Illmath said...

Yeah I always inject that GSBS! You know I do that on purpose DV. I start from Africa and work backwards. West Africans down to Scandinavians. Im somewhere in the middle. Yes this really is Illmath

keith said...

This piece has a gang of errors in it!

I'm too tired to deal with this shit tonight, but if nobody gets the job done by tomorrow I'll be all over this bullshit!

Peace!!

uglyblackjohn said...

What's the difference between Donald Trump and P Did?
Did the Donald believe the hype of Scarface too?

(The street bully gets women because he is the dominant male in his environment. The financial bully get the girls because HE is the dominant thug in HIS environment. The intellectual bully can't usually say the same.)

Anonymous said...

Hey Mike,
I don't know what inspired you to write this or who you were thinking of when you did, but you make some pretty questionable assumptions in your analysis.

You seem to believe that "average of young adolescent boys, including black boys, feel wholly inadequate in facing young women.."
On what basis is this assumption made that Black Boys feel inadequate yet from day one they are learning how to throw game? Anyone who didn't learn it off the streets was being given mack lessons in the rhymes. From the most decent to the most perverse to the most thuggish: Fresh Prince n Jazz, LL Cool J, 2 Live Crew and Eazy E. Even today, you really think even Soulja Boy looks-deficient as he is, lacked the nerve to chat up a beautiful woman before he sold a record - puhleaze. Being a Don aint abt being pretty or being ugly its how you throwdown.

And then you go on to say:
"Watch the average Hip Hop video. What is it about? Some ugly guy to whom the average girl in the street would not give the time of day is sitting in a mansion throwing money at beautiful black
women who coo-coo all over him."

Again maybe I'm missing context here or I can't relate because I didn't grow up in America/The West, but the average hiphop video in the 90s wasn't an ugly dude macking. Those who were marketed as the Romeo's of Rap weren't ugly, at least looking at some of the most successful ones: LL, Fresh Prince, Heavy D (Heavy not Ugly) Tupac, Snoop (Thugs not Ugly), Tribe Called Quest (Conscious Not Ugly)

And speaking of consciousness n thuggishness; the 90's were the best years of those genres of rap or the party feel good vibe - not always chatting up a girl.

Finally on Biggie - wow!iCan't even comment on that, it just feels like someone getting their hate on.

...one

KonWomyn

Big Wayne said...

Yeah. Mike made a couple (minor) errors in his assumptions. The most major of which was to make a general statement applicable to all people in any demographic group. Generalizations don't exist.

However, if one can remove his personal relationship to hip hop and its generation, one would realize that Mike has made some very astute assertions. The trick to pimp evolution was 1000% on point, whether or not you admit it. It's gospel.

I think most of the opposition to what MF asserts here is emotional, rather than rational or logical. He's not attacking you. Stop getting offended.

And I neither heard, nor read the hate in Mike's comments. What I read was just a look at (some forms of) hip hop....beneath the surface, behind the closet doors.

" Again maybe I'm missing context here or I can't relate because I didn't grow up in America/The West, but the average hiphop video in the 90s wasn't an ugly dude macking. "

You're kind of supporting Mike's assumptions here, KW. BTW, I agree 100%, this is not what hip hop USED to be about. That's what it's about now. Most of your comments are about 90's hip hop. Hate to be the one to tell you, but that was 2 decades ago. Kwame, Heavy D, Kool Moe Dee and The Fresh Prince aren't exactly burning up the charts nowadays.

Mike Fisher, I can't believe I'mma say this...but keep droppin knowledge.

KonWomyn said...

Big Wayne
When I read Mike's piece it seemed to me he was talking about the 90s that's why I responded citing hiphoppers of that era. And that's why I opposed to the things abt ugly guys n pretty girls - if I misinterpreted and he's talking about present day then yea cool, maybe he's right. But I still feel swagger can divorced from looks; swagger's a look in itself that's been marketed to the point that fine or ugly is no longer the standard of how one is looked at.

...peace

Professor Big Wayne said...

" But I still feel swagger can divorced from looks;"

Agreed.

But you can't just pick up swag from watching music videos. Many think they can. Those are the "trick/pimps" MF speaks of. But that's not swag, it's impersonation. It's A-C-T-I-N-G.

Swag is developed over time as a result of past successes, in any arena. It's the confidence built from achieving goals, specifically ones which were originally viewed as unattainable.

Swag is the result of developing one's self-confidence, not impersonating another's.

Swag doesn't have the loudest mouth in the room, nor does it brag about its past or current conquests. Confused "trick/pimps" do that. If you got real swag, pulling "one of the hottest chicks in the game" or securing a six figure payday is just another day in the life.

Those with real swag look upon the others as posers. Wannabees.

There is certainly a distinction.

KonWomyn said...

Hey BW
Shoot that was meant to be "swagger can't be divorced from looks"
That was a typo; chalk it up to being a Mad Monday...I def hear ya Bra. Co-sign. IMO Swagger is as much a social construct as what defines ugly or fine - it's 'born' in you or its something acquired over time. The evolution of Common is a perfect example...

"Swag is the result of developing one's self-confidence" BW

Exactly!
Considering this, in terms of MF's statement uptop; this is where I disagree. Y'can't reduce someone like Jay or Fiddy to being ugly or fine and having baaad women in their videos as asserted above. Putting swag aside in this case would be a pointless statement. Swag is looks; so its not just "an ugly dude pushing up on a girl" (even tho I know what MF's getting at) but who-got-game/dont-got-game is pushing up on a girl.

It'd be insufficient and somewhat reductive to continue to speak in terms of ugly/fine when this era of hiphop, continually reminds us Swag is the definition of Fine and
1 It's inextricably linked to one's persona, and its subjective. This is the chief determinant in whether one can be described as attractive/fine rather than good looking.
2 It also becomes more complex in the hiphop game bec it also asserts a certain kind of monetary value (not always) and masculine power, among many other things.

...peace

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"The Mike Fisher phenomenon is interesting but not rare. The battlefield..."

DV, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not a glimmer of an idea. None.

Besides, I'm not one of the pre-Hip Hop music executives al la Jim Tyrell etc, I am one of the Hip Hop music executives.

Now, let's put your shit to the test. Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?

Denmark Vesey said...

Mike, I invented Hip Hop. I am personally responsible for the success of a group called "Public Enemy".

Ever heard of them?

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Mike, I invented Hip Hop. I am personally responsible for the success of a group called 'Public Enemy'.

I see, and in what capacity did you function and what exactly did you do that made PE successful?

Denmark Vesey said...

LOL.

Just messing with you Mike.

Bra, I understand you were a tremendous promoter. Back in the day. Congratulations. And much respect.

But please stop implying that your involvement ... as a business functionary ... not as an artist ... back in the 1980's ... somehow endowed you with a monopoly on insight into the meaning, significance and value of Hip Hop today.

Lil Wayne's "A Milli" is just as 'revolutionary' and potentially empowering as was Chuck D's "Fight The Power".

If you know what you are hearing. These young cats are doing things with the music and opening new channels that never even occurred to your generation.

Problem is old cats ... hate to admit they are old.

They would rather reduce and dismiss an entire art form than acknowledge that they are simply out of touch.

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"LOL.

Just messing with you..."


First off, you are woefully incompletely informed about my involvement with Hip Hop.

Be that as it may, as you are presenting yourself as an expert, you have yet to answer the question posed to you:


Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?

Denmark Vesey said...

"First off, you are woefully incompletely informed about my involvement with Hip Hop. " MF

What other "involvement with Hip Hop" have you had Mike that makes your little conspiracy theory about what is bad about Hip Hop today remotely more relevant?

It reads to me more like a rationalization for your personal failings in the business.

"the average of young adolescent boys, including black boys, feel wholly inadequate in facing young women." MF

What psychological studies can you reference to support such a broad ridiculous and categorically sweeping generalization such as that Mike?" MF

Are you a trained psychologist? Are you speaking solely from personal experience?

"Watch the average Hip Hop video. What is it about? " MF

There is no such thing as the "average Hip Hop video".

That's like asking what is the average movie about?

Mike, snap out of it.

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"What other "involvement with Hip Hop" have you had Mike..."

If you had been anywhere near the Hip Hop music industry, you'd know, DV.

Now, once again, DV since you are such an expert:

"Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?"

Denmark Vesey said...

"Around 1990 a conscious decision was made by a small number of record executives and artist managers out of Los Angeles" MF

Tell me Mike, did this small group of executives in Los Angeles turn into owls after this collective "conscious" "decision"?

Michael Fisher said...
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Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Tell me Mike, did this small group..."

Still trying to divert? Come on, DV. You're the expert on Hip Hop and the Hip Hop music industry. Right? So...

Once again, DV since you are such an expert:

"Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?"

Denmark Vesey said...

Divert? LOL.

Mike. YOU posted your dissertation on Hip Hop, swagger, "black boys who feel wholly inadequate facing young women".

YOU posted a treatise about "society teaching them the most direct way to access women is material wealth".

YOU posted about "unattainable fantasies of young boys to have power over other boys" exclusive to Hip Hop.

And of course consistent with your Plantation Negro training you attributed everything to the engineering of white men who ... of course ... are in complete control of everything.

Now, certainly you are not suggesting because you worked for rappers back in the 80's booking concert tours ... FOR THEM ... that you are qualified to make these blanket statements in 2009 ... WITHOUT CHALLENGE.

Come on man. I'm trying to work with you here. People are laughing at your tragically poorly developed understanding of Hip Hop.

Yet, you want to reduce this conversation to a competition of Hip Hop employment track record? OK. Fuck it. You win.

I didn't USED TO WORK for rappers. Never.

You did. Congratulations.
...

...

...

So.

Can you rap? Are you a Hip Hop artist?

Do you listen to Hip Hop?

Do you understand the vast differences between Young Jeezy and Young Joc?

OK. OK. You worked with Public Enemy and Chuck D ... before Young Joc was even born.

That's not enough Mike to pop the shit about an art form that transcended you long ago.

Not a good look bra.

And once again, other than Public Enemy ... every rap project you touched after that was a failure.

And Public Enemy would have been Public Enemy with or without you.

Someone else would have booked their concerts.

Not to dismiss your contribution. But stop trying to play "Spook By The Door" because of being in the right place at the right time 20 years ago.

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Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Now, certainly you are not suggesting because you worked for rappers back in the 80's booking concert tours ... FOR THEM ... that you are qualified to make these blanket statements in 2009 ... WITHOUT CHALLENGE."

DV, once again you show that you have no idea what you are talking about. I never worked FOR rappers or booked concerts FOR them. That's the task of a booking agent. Booking agents are employment agents. They go look for people and companies who will employ their clients and get paid by their clients for that job search. That is they go looking for folks like yours truly and one of my companies. Plus I started out in the 1980s. I retired in 2005 'cause I got bored. Though I'm currently working on a project involving one of your Hip Hop heroes because his attorney asked me to as a favor.

Fact is, DV, you just showed that you don't know jack about the simplest structures within the industry.

Now, I didn't ask you whether you "didn't USED TO WORK for rappers. Never." I asked you a very simple question:

"Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?"

What it be, "Denmark Vesey"?

Michael Fisher said...
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Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"every rap project you touched after that was a failure."

Now that's interesting. Since you supposedly know so much about my "rap projects", what rap projects would that be, DV?

And don't forget to answer this one:

"Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?"

What it be, "Denmark Vesey"?

Denmark Vesey said...

Mike, couple of years ago, you regaled us with a tale of a "female rapper" ... whose "lyrics were tight" ... but she failed to get a deal because she wasn't "cursing" and "rapping" about the subjects all powerful "white" executives wanted her to rap about.

(That's why she didn't get the deal. Couldn't possibly have been because she was wack)

Later you regaled us with a tale bout how "Ice Cube" was a sell-out because he refused to do a tour with you after some Jews in LA told him not to do it with you.

(Not because he couldn't possibly have just not wanted to work with you)

Other than Public Enemy Mike ... what artists have you had anything to do with on an artistic level ... that qualifies you to speak unchallenged about the failings of rap music.

And since you want to pretend you didn't hear me the first time.

I HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR ANY RAPPERS OR ANY JEWISH RECORDING EXECUTIVES. NEVER. NOT ONCE.

Michael Fisher said...

DV...

"Mike, couple of years ago, you regaled us with a tale of a 'female rapper' ... whose 'lyrics were tight' ... but she failed to get a deal because she wasn't "cursing" and 'rapping' about the subjects all powerful 'white' executives wanted her to rap about."

Huh? WTF are you talking about? The only female rapper I managed for a while I got an album deal on Profile Records and the main reason she didn't take off was because Cory Robbins did exactly the opposite: Not allow us to do authentic videos depicting Bronx gangsta life.

As to Ice Cube, I doubt O'Shea Jackson, even knows who I am.

So that's the extent of your "knowledge" about my "rap projects", Mr. "Hip Hop industry expert"?

Now. I didn't pretend not to hear you I read your statement fine. My question was:

"Which Hip Hop artist(s) have you been involved with on any level and what was the nature and the duration of your involvement?"

What it be, "Denmark Vesey"?

uglyblackjohn said...

DeeVee - I still can't understand how YOU like most of today's commercial stuff.
It's like wearing pret-a-porter instead of couture.