DMG said...
MOTI,You aren't working with facts, and are basing your comments on emotions rather than science. I AM standing up for patients ALL patients, not just the black ones. Disagreeing with you doesn't change that...actually it just confirms that I'm doing the right thing.
I'm a doctor. I'm not a "black-doctor". I'm a doctor who happens to have been born to a black mother and father. There's a difference.
You are a charlatan. Your ethnicity is irrelevant.
Denmark Vesey said ...
DMG, Negro MD
Listen to me.
Open your eyes and see
50% of British GP's
Refuse to take the so-called "vaccine".
That is a F.A.C.T.
The vaccine was rushed to the scene
made with calf bovine, mercury, antifreeze and monkey kidney.
That is a F.A.C.T.
Africans are being injected with HIV as we fucking speak.
That is an F.A.C.T.
Saying you are not a Black MD.
Is just damn silly.
You sound like one of those punk MD's scared to say shit during Tuskegee.
Didn't want to lose their little J.O.B.s.
Whitey injecting black men with Syphilis cooties.
What you call "science" is killing our people faster than slavery.
Check the S.T.A.T.'s
Look at our rates of AIDs, Cancer and Diabetes.
And it aint just because black people are lazy, eat sweets or bone without Jimmies.
How are you standing up for patients? Negro Please.
Are you really saying it is safe to inject this poison into our blood stream?
Or are you just a House Negro MD repeating a Plantation Meme?
Brother speak up. Our people are in serious need.
Undercover Black Man said ...
Whitey injecting black men with Syphilis cooties.
White people did not inject black men with syphilis.Crack a book.
.CNu said...
See,when I wanted to make a point to you about both - vaccines and population control projects - I took you straight to the patent office.
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whenever you want to cut to the chase, as in "put up or shut up" - your interests cannot be better served than to look at the stripped down claims made by inventors to patent examiners.
You'll notice that DMG was given s.e.r.i.o.u.s. pause when confronted with the forthright claims made by the inventors of sterilization/castration vaccines.
something of that nature doesn't even compute in the typical commercial allopathic space. brah'man has to seriously stop and think about what it means for folks to spend decades perfecting sterilization vaccines that make both males and females allergic to their own reproductive processes. extending the benefit of the doubt, I can easily imagine how it might be very perplexing for a physician to think of a vaccine as a weapon system rather than as a medicine.
Denmark Vesey said ...
I hear you CNu. But I'm not convinced it is that deep.I mean. Does one really need to peruse patent applications to appreciate the dangers of injecting themselves with anti-freeze , calf bovine, mercury, monkey kidney cultures and other dangerous adjuvants suspected of causing autism and neurological disorders?
No.
Understand my contention. Everyone on this blog is aware of the dangers of the vaccine. Yet most will still get it. (I won't say no names Big Man)
Why?
Because to reject the Plantation Vaccine ... is to reject the Plantation. Plantation Negros would risk neurological damage or even death before they set foot off of the Plantation. True freedom is scary. Notice DMG NEVER addresses the ingredients of the vaccines and their relative benefit vs. risk ratio.
Why?
Because Plantation Negros are not concerned with WHAT truth ... but with WHOSE truth. To DMG the truth belongs to the medical industrial complex which accredits him, supplies him with his ego and employs him. To UBM truth is a monopoly controlled by Jews, who accredit him, supply him with ego and employ him.
Their visceral animus directed towards me is the same as any servant defending the hand that feeds them. I mock their masters. Truth is a long forgotten casualty.
158 comments:
I am a Black Nurse....and proud of it!
tgn
Go 'head Sista Nurse!
I am doctor. Period. This quote is found on a statue out in front of the old Cook County Hospital, I read it almost daily getting off the Blue line on the way to medical school. Maybe you should remember that as a nurse, you don't choose your patients.
"One doesn't ask of one who suffers what is your country and what is your religion? One merely says, you suffer, this is enough for me, you belong to me and I shall help you."
Whitey injecting black men with Syphilis cooties.
White people did not inject black men with syphilis.
Crack a book.
UBM aren't you kind of splitting hairs?
I don't get the correlation between saying "I'm a black doctor" and somehow denying people treatment.
Everybody has loyalties and priorities. We all keep a list of those priorities and loyalities in our heads and we make decions based on them.
The first three items on my priority list are God, family and black folks. Seems like a smart move to me given the realities of this world.
I understand the desire to avoid being pigeonholed as a "black doctor" or a "black politician" or a "black writer". Traditionally, this designation has been used to denote inferiority, and an inability to just a doctor, politician or writer.
But, that's a stupid way of thinking. When I say I'm a "black" anything, it's a way of re-affirming my connection to other black folks while also letting people know I have a particular skillset. I don't see it as a negative.
Pink
It sounds worse when you say somebody was infected with syphilis instead of saying that doctors gave them placebos instead of the proper drugs.
So, I understand why the distinction must be made.
Plus, UBM and DV got this love/hate thing going on where they take turns sniping at each other. Denmark call UBM a sellout, UBM calls Denmark an idiot who spreads lies. It's a familiar dance.
pink: read my link, then tell me what you think.
Nah Big Man.
It aint quite that simple Vis-à-vis UB and DV.
Peep the difference -
There is as much evidence the government intentionally infected black men with syphilis during the "Tuskegee Experiment" ... as there is evidence the Germans "gassed millions of Jews" during the "Holocaust".
My problem with Undercover Black Man is that he exercises a different level of due diligence when there is an opportunity to deconstruct a black meme ... as when there is an opportunity to deconstruct a Jew meme.
Let somebody dare question Jews...
Then he runs into a phone booth and emerges Cpt. Save-A-Jew hurling the "anti-Semite" epithet as if his LIVELIHOOD depended on it.
The author of the link Undercover Black Man so dutifully presents on his site is celebrated as a rationale, level-headed scholar only interested in the truth.
Yet there are historians in jail right now for challenging the contention that millions of Jews were intentionally killed in German concentration camps.
The Jews have so much power now, even questioning them ... has become criminal.
Injecting someone with syphilis vs. allowing syphilis to fester inside them while you pretend to treat them may very well be two different things.
Inventing impossible lies about mass gassings, (never has a single gas chamber nor the remains of thousands, let alone millions of Jews ever been found) seeking reparations to the tune of billions of dollars and founding the Zionist state of Israel based upon those lies ... is something quite different.
UBM is all over the black meme like Sista Pink said "splitting hairs".
And a mute muhfuggah about much larger lies.
I mock Undercover Black Man because of his Plantation Negro Hollywood self-hating duplicity.
But DV... if you can't get the facts of the Tuskegee experiment right... why should anyone trust anything you say about the Holocaust or anything else?
You're plainly ignorant.
At least Jews ain't that.
three little words DV,
the.bell.curve......,
after that, everything else is merely conversation.
^ Three words, Craig:
1000. Genomes. Project.
bell curve? CNu?
UB.
Come on man.
What happened? You sent a link to this site, to one of your Jew friends and now you are showing off hoping to get a writing assignment or something?
Ease up Bra.
They probably think you a punk anyway.
Just go ahead and email Abe Foxman and get it over with.
^ Who-da-fonk brought Jews up, DV? I was talking about Tuskegee.
The fact that that's your default tactic whenever I point to one of your idiotic drool puddles... that says a lot more about you than it does about me, boychick.
My man Bill Adler has a phrase for it: "Jews on the Brain."
This isn't worth my time or anyone elses. MOTI, you are a clown, and in the words of another nemesis (of which you clearly are not worthy): You have been declared noise.
2 fingers nigga...
"Then he runs into a phone booth and emerges Cpt. Save-A-Jew hurling the "anti-Semite" epithet as if his LIVELIHOOD depended on it."
lmaoooo
Nigga come out with a Hex of David on his chest and an S in the middle
Semiteman to the rescue!
DMG?
The Negro MD.
LOL.
Are you still here?
Do you know how fuggin' stupid you look bra?
Come on man. Your corner should throw in the towel.
Do you REALLY think you have supported your argument that people should submit to the H1N1 vaccine simply because you Plantation Medical Flunkies say so?
Come on man.
What is your point?
Tell the truth. After what I've taught you ... you won't even get the "vaccine" will you?
What kind of intelligent person injects anti-freeze and monkey kidney virus into their bloodstream?
I mean. UBM is a hater. Would love to prove ol' DV wrong. Dude about as Plantation as it gets. Got a mouth full of prescription drugs as we speak.
I got hunard dollas says UBM won't even get the vaccine after what he's learned here.
But I'm getting a little tired of this game anyway.
It's like beating a little boy at chess. Over and Over again.
Let's just call it a draw and you walk away with what's left of your dignity.
Cool?
UBM. "boychick"? Never heard of that one. Bill Adler? Best Hip Hop publicist in the business. Should you speak to Bill, say hello for me.
"boychick"?
LOL. You punk yellow niggas even spit like white boys.
Get A Chick!
LOL
UBM. "boychick"? Never heard of that one.
And you're in the music business??
;^)
You punk yellow niggas even spit like white boys.
DV, blowing his cool... in his own house!
Yeaaaah. Abe Foxman is scared of you.
bell curve? CNu?
yeah man...,
you know, UCBM's fundamentalist bible on the heritability of IQ and genetic inferiority of Black folks.
See,
when I wanted to make a point to you about both - vaccines and population control projects - I took you straight to the patent office.
whenever you want to cut to the chase, as in "put up or shut up" - your interests cannot be better served than to look at the stripped down claims made by inventors to patent examiners.
UCBM been believing that 150 year old racist tripe about selective breeding and heritability of IQ and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.., for 20 years - but when you get right down to it - there's no proof whatsoever in his shaky pudding.
ain't nobody filed no patents or made any claims of art in the space from which fundamentalist racist views have been mined.
he can pop that silly shit all he wants, but at the end of the day, it's just so much abstracted masturbation - or as I'm very fond of saying - "merely conversation"...,
OTOH
You'll notice that DMG was given s.e.r.i.o.u.s. pause when confronted with the forthright claims made by the inventors of sterilization/castration vaccines.
something of that nature doesn't even compute in the typical commercial allopathic space. brah'man has to seriously stop and think about what it means for folks to spend decades perfecting sterilization vaccines that make both males and females allergic to their own reproductive processes. extending the benefit of the doubt, I can easily imagine how it might be very perplexing for a physician to think of a vaccine as a weapon system rather than as a medicine.
^ Craig: Have you read more about the 1000 Genomes Project?
MOTI,
You are like that big mouth kid who continues to woof and claim victory long after he has been soundly whipped and the game is a vague memory. You've never even come close to check, let alone checkmate. You are...nevermind I've already told you several times. This is becoming kind of sad, and I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
David, I have no interest in speculative political rhetoric.
Put up or shut up time.
Either you have and can show me a patent for heritable intelligence related art, or not.
cue crickets....,
David, I have no interest in speculative political rhetoric.
But I thought you did have an interest in cutting-edge science, Craig. I mean, damn... an international research project to catalog human genetic variation? Comparing the genomes of Yoruba and Japanese and Utah Mormons and Italians and Mexicans...
Think of the hard knowledge (not speculative rhetoric) that will spring from the 1000 Genomes Project... or future DNA-mapping.
We can reasonably assume that the riddle of heritability and intelligence will be solved in our lifetimes. Don't you look forward to that day?
Or not. (And I wonder why not.)
David, I think you are likely a nice person, but your musings on heritability and intelligence are so off base as to be offensive. You have continued to tout this bell curve shit without really understanding what you are supporting. It is known that the book was created by people who wished to confirm their own biases and used statistical interpretations to do so. Notice how I said statistical interpretations... you can use stats to prove just about anything you wish, especially if you get to create the test of this ill defined concept of 'intelligence' to begin with.
Why are you so supportive this type of pseudoscience? You cosign with research of those who deliberately constructed the so called intelligence tests to support their own mess. Read this to see what I'm talking about.
Excerpt from criticisms of Bell Curve section:
"Disturbing as I find the anachronism of The Bell Curve, I am even more distressed by its pervasive disingenuousness. The authors omit facts, misuse statistical methods, and seem unwilling to admit the consequences of their own words. (p. 6)
Nothing in The Bell Curve angered me more than the authors' failure to supply any justification for their central claim, the sine qua non of their entire argument: that the number known as g, the celebrated "general factor" of intelligence, first identified by the British psychologist Charles Spearman, in I904, captures a real property in the head. Murray and Herrnstein simply declare that the issue has been decided, as in this passage from their 1970 Republic article: "Among the experts, it is by now beyond much technical dispute that there is such a thing as a general factor of cognitive ability on which human beings differ and that this general factor is measured reasonably well by a variety of standardized tests, best of all by IQ tests designed for that purpose." Such a statement represents extraordinary obfuscation, achievable only if one takes "expert" to mean "that group of psychometricians working in the tradition of g and its avatar IQ." The authors even admit that there are three major schools of psychometric interpretation and that only one supports their view of g and IQ. (p. 8)
But this issue cannot be decided, or even understood, without discussing the key and only rationale that has maintained g since Spearman invented it: factor analysis. The fact that Herrnstein and Murray barely mention the factor-analytic argument forms a central indictment of The Bell Curve and is an illustration of its vacuousness. How can the authors base an 800-page book on a claim for the reality of IQ as measuring a genuine, and largely genetic, general cognitive ability and then hardly discuss, either pro or con, the theoretical basis for their certainty? (p. 8) "
I remember the discussion on the genome project.
Put that one up again Denmark so the people can read it.
It was all based on speculation, as CNu has pointed out. UBM speculates that black folks are intellectually inferior and he believes this project will prove him correct, if I'm not mistaken.
So, he's already decided what he believes and is waiting for future proof to verify his belief. Sounds like faith.
But he don't believe in God.
Oh, and DV, I understand your point about the Jewish stuff. But, if UBM feels that Jews are intellectually superior, and he feels that an intellectually inferior black person is attacking them, then I guess he believes it's his duty to defend them.
Or maybe he has Jewish relatives and friends and he feels it's his duty to represent for them.
I really don't know.
But, I do know y'all go back and forth in the same dance with him calling you stupid and you calling him a sellout. That's the most basic explanation.
We can reasonably assume that the riddle of heritability and intelligence will be solved in our lifetimes. Don't you look forward to that day?
Or not. (And I wonder why not.)
rotflmbao...,
just like I said,
after 150 years of this pseudo-scientific self-stimulation, muhphuggahs remain as empty handed as they've ever been.
the answer is no David,
I have no interest whatsoever in;
1. perpetual motion machines
2. hollow-earth theories
3. racist pseudo-science
and I take for granted that ONLY the scientifically ignorant, deeply bigoted, and dangerously credulous DO indulge these musty old speculations as potential validation for their immoral and irrational prejudices.
excellent m rigmaiden.
which thanks to MSR and Big Man, brings me back full circle to my reason for invoking the bell curve in response to you David on this thread in the first place.
David wrote:
But DV... if you can't get the facts of the Tuskegee experiment right... why should anyone trust anything you say about the Holocaust or anything else?
kneegrow,
knowing what we know and have repeatedly demonstrated concerning this exceedingly shaky and dubious foundations of your generalized belief system and understanding of the world and humanity's place in it - why da phuk should ANYONE trust ANYTHING you say about ANYTHING ELSE under any circumstance EVER?!?!?!?
do you have any inkling how deeply compromised your mentality must be to indulge even a whiff of that bell curve stench?
seriously dood?
Not only does it compromise your credibility, it also calls into question your motivation on a fair number of topics on which you elect to hold forth.
Why else do you think I've gone round and round with you so strenuously over such an extended period of time?
I remain intensely curious to know how it comes to pass that someone with whom I share much background in common, could have wandered so far off the path?
Craig, you are so verbose. You could have easily said this:
But UBM... if you can't get the underlying bigotted arguments of the Bell Curve proponets right... why should anyone trust anything you say about the Holocaust or anything else? Hehehehehhehe
In any event, UBM you've said things that make sense from time to time but your credibility is shot when you invoke that silly piece of pseudoscience. Because the end conclusion of that reasoning is that you are inferior so must serve your masters. What a grim look at the world that thankfully I don't share...
Mahndisa. You could have easily said this:
UBM, why are you so eager to believe and promote that which cheapens, demeans and demotes black people ... while demonstrating a lap dog like loyalty to that which elevates, upgrades and empowers Jews?
I mean, the cat posts articles on his site splitting hairs about the Tuskegee Experiment ... while hurling the politically pregnant "anti-Semite" slur at a black man applying equal due diligence to a far more absurd claim about mass gassings of millions of Jews, that never happened.
Mahndisa: If you'll notice, I didn't bring up "The Bell Curve." I've never cited "The Bell Curve." I wasn't talking about "The Bell Curve."
I'm talking about the 1000 Genomes Project. Which has nothing to do with "The Bell Curve."
Craig would much rather harp on "The Bell Curve" than ponder the ramifications of the 1000 Genomes Project. That proves he's scurred.
To label the 1000 Genomes Project "racist pseudo-science" is ridiculous on its face.
Tell me something, though, Craig: Why don't you assume that the mapping of the human genome will prove your belief that intelligence has nothing to do with genes?
If you're right about the state of nature... wouldn't this new science of genomics confirm it? Why don't you welcome the 1000 Genomes Project for that reason?
Interesting.
I have no interest in it one way or another David. My point was simple and direct. Racist pseudo-science has produced no concrete results after 150 years of baleful wishful thinking.
If you'll notice, I didn't bring up "The Bell Curve." I've never cited "The Bell Curve." I wasn't talking about "The Bell Curve."
Obviously.
I brought it up as a debating tactic - deployed very successfully I might add - to devastate your general credibility by subjecting your own credulous beliefs and motives to critical scrutiny far more severe and far-reaching than anything you've yet sought to foist on our host.
My tactical objective now accomplished beyond my wildest expectations, I'm now done with the subject.
But please, if you are so inclined, by all means, pick yourself up off the floor, take the microphone, and see how you fare against Mahndisa and Big Man...,
Not me, I know what he believes already.
That's what works for UBM, and it's his life to live.
But, I do think his longstanding opinion should be mentioned whenever the discussion ventures into matters of race or intelligence.
It's just context for the folks who haven't read all the previous discussions.
How could you impact on my credibility by talking about something I've never talked about?
That, my super-intelligent friend, is known as the Straw Man fallacy. And the fact that you could bamboozle Mahndisa and Big Man with it says more about their quality of thinking than it does about mine.
The shame of it all, Craig, is that you -- having a genius-level IQ -- I'm sure have thought more deeply and honestly about this question than your politics will allow you to let on.
When you were kickin' it on the campus of M.I.T., are you telling me that there were tons of other black folks qualified to be there... who weren't?
Denmark
Post that old convo about intelligence and genetics again.
That, my super-intelligent friend, is known as the Straw Man fallacy.
I beg to differ sir. It was actually a circumstantial ad hominem attack - which had no bearing whatsoever on the truth or falsity of your claims wrt DV's credibility.
However, the way in which it served to recruit direct and devastating detractors put it in the highest echelons of rhetorical knife fighting.
Your chitlins are laying in a pile around your feet brah. I recommend that you pick those jokers up, pack em in, and use your help line to either get back on topic or see if you can muster some rhetorical assistance from farcedaddy, porche monkay, or anonymous.
If you not very careful, folks liable to start jumping up and down on those chitterlings, and you may want to keep them intact for future use.
This post and its comment thread go to the question of factual consistency and integrity wrt the safety and advisability of subjecting oneself to mass H1N1 vaccination which your president "strongly advises"...,
The shame of it all, Craig, is that you -- having a genius-level IQ -- I'm sure have thought more deeply and honestly about this question than your politics will allow you to let on.
which is precisely why I side with the angels on this topic.
When you were kickin' it on the campus of M.I.T., are you telling me that there were tons of other black folks qualified to be there... who weren't?
imoho - there were more cats in jail intellectually qualified to matriculate at MIT than there were folks admitted to Cambridge in order to abuse the privilege... bring that forward to today, I'd be willing to be there are twice to three times more intellectually qualified cats rotting in jail with the chops to get a brass rat than there are folks officially registered to do so...,
Your chitlins are laying in a pile around your feet brah.
Put. The crack pipe. Down.
Your horseshit bullying tactic can only work, Craig, if it intimidates your opponent into silence.
I, on the other hand, haven't backstepped an inch. I will continue to set an example by challenging the taboo surrounding the question of race and intelligence.
To the degree that anyone wants to engage me in conversation on the topic, I welcome it, because the very discussion serves to break down the taboo... and to allow others to think courageously.
imoho - there were more cats in jail intellectually qualified to matriculate at MIT than there were folks admitted to Cambridge in order to abuse the privilege...
Now I know you're bullshitting. You don't believe it. And you know I know you don't believe it.
For if it were true... then some of the young'uns you've been "mentoring" in K.C. would end up at M.I.T. before being diverted to a life of crime.
In other words... you'd be seeing all that nascent genius with your own eyes.
We know that ain't true, though, don't we, Craig? Them kids are not like you.
I actually see UBM's point on this.
Let the cards fall where they may.
Let us not choose the truth before we investigate.
Only caveat UB - Is let's do it all the way around. That sword cuts both ways.
Yawn.
Aren't y'all getting tired of this? We've done rehashed this "race and intelligence" thing to death. UBM ain't gonna change his mind. Obviously. I'd much rather have the genealogical breakdown of the 1000 year bred person that hides behind the moniker Denmark Vesey.
By the way, DV's direct male ancestor Askia Ishaq II being the sole child of his parents, was a known homosexual and died wifeless, mistressless, and childless with a knife in his back in the arms of his lover Al Hajj Ishmael Ben-Naqua on October 23, 1603.
Your chitlins are laying in a pile around your feet brah.
Put. The crack pipe. Down.
Your horseshit bullying tactic can only work, Craig, if it intimidates your opponent into silence.
Mahndisa gutted you like a fish son
Why you blowin all your hot woof-ticket breath in my direction?
I, on the other hand, haven't backstepped an inch. I will continue to set an example by challenging the taboo surrounding the question of race and intelligence.
To the degree that anyone wants to engage me in conversation on the topic, I welcome it, because the very discussion serves to break down the taboo... and to allow others to think courageously.
My, don quixote...,
such brazen mannishness.
"hold me back sancho, hold me back!!!"
rotflmbao....,
Nothing but air and opportunity separating you from Mahndisa's steppin razor.
go head on and get you some mr. courageous man!
f'real.
I'll go microwave me some popcorn and crack open a chill - put my feet up - and enjoy the total evisceration.
imoho - there were more cats in jail intellectually qualified to matriculate at MIT than there were folks admitted to Cambridge in order to abuse the privilege...
Now I know you're bullshitting. You don't believe it. And you know I know you don't believe it.
Look at that.
Now who's gone and committed the fallacy of extension?
For if it were true... then some of the young'uns you've been "mentoring" in K.C. would end up at M.I.T. before being diverted to a life of crime.
I haven't been at it long enough to realize the full fruits of the effort, but I've got three in the pipeline 5x5
In other words... you'd be seeing all that nascent genius with your own eyes.
I see it far more often than you'd like to imagine.
Not only, but whenever and wherever I see it, I cultivate and concentrate it.
We know that ain't true, though, don't we, Craig? Them kids are not like you.
Sho's you right.
They're not like me.
They're like themselves.
In fact, the two boys and one girl I have in mind are all autistic spectrum, so they're not like me at all.
However, they're each easily capable of doing and being whatever they want to be.
By the way, DV's direct male ancestor Askia Ishaq II being the sole child of his parents, was a known homosexual and died wifeless, mistressless, and childless with a knife in his back in the arms of his lover Al Hajj Ishmael Ben-Naqua on October 23, 1603.
Mike Fisher is a bad muhphucka.
and died wifeless, mistressless, and childless with a knife in his back in the arms of his lover
LOL. Mike I think you having flashbacks of when your wife ... I mean your ex-wife ... stabbed your punk ass.
Speaking of which.
Do either one ya'll Negros have a woman?
Seriously.
I'm just curious.
Well, Dv. I think the more intriguing question is: Does your wife, DV, have a man?
So Big Man and I are Cnu minions in this matter? Well whatever...UBM you know good and damned well that ever since I've seen you post here, you ALWAYS are quick to take an 'establishment' position to work as a foil for DV's musings. Interesting interaction to say the least.
However, let's be honest, even if you didn't invoke the Bell Curve you still believe in that books underlying conclusions, which is why you always insert something about qualifications and intelligence into the conversations. I cannot believe you still believe in the notion called intelligence when you haven't even defined what that is! And as I've said many times if the person who defines the term intelligence comes up with a test to measure it, then that person is participating in bias confirmation because intelligence is ill defined.
After all of these years, even racialilsts cannot even agree on what intelligence is...I can construct a test for intelligence out of my ass too. And virtually guarantee that only undergraduate physics students can pass it. I'll use these cats as a baseline for so called intelligence and see how you might measure up...
Don't you get it? Those who construct the test are those who get to tell you how to interpret its results.
I was IQ tested a few years back and will never forget the experience. The shrink asked me 'WHY IS FREEDOM OF THE PRESS NECESSARY TO A DEMOCRACY.' I did not understand the question at all. I told her that the question made no sense; that a democracy is mob rule and if the mob rules a publication unacceptable, then it could quickly go out of publication despite being truthful in its assertions simply because the majority did not want that information out. The shrink said 'TRUE, YES BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WANT YOU TO SAY?' I didn't get it. So she had to mark that question 'wrong' although she agreed with my answer.
A friend of mine later told me that the answer they were looking for was 'freedom of information'...
Another question they asked me what 'WHAT IS THE SPEED OF LIGHT IN A VACCUM?' I said 3*10^8m/s. She paused, and I said 'Oh you want it in miles per second? Geesh!' She smiled when I knew it was 186Kmi per sec.
If you cannot see that IQ tests are an exercise in bias confirmation, I think you're being intellectually dishonest.
Lastly, the 1000 genomes project seems interesting. But until you can define what is meant by intelligence and tell us how it is inheritable, you've no leg on which to stand in this area...
Wow. That's interesting Mahndisa.
Funny how intent UB is to determine 'which race is most intelligent'.
I'm waiting for the tests to determine 'which race is most greedy'.
Or ... 'which race instigates more wars'.
Or ... 'which race engineers most genocide'
Or ... 'which race lies the most'.
Or ... 'which race is most prone to usury.'
Or ... 'can obesity and intelligence coexist?'
Mahndisa, may I ask you something?
Do you know of any way to distinguish between a mentally retarded person and a person of normal intelligence?
And do you know of any way to distinguish between a "genius" and a person of normal intelligence?
Or is everyone indistinguishable when it comes to cognitive skills?
"Do you know of any way to distinguish between a mentally retarded person and a person of normal intelligence?" UB
Yes. I do.
Put them both in a room and see which one allows themselves to be injected with anti-freeze , calf bovine, mercury and monkey kidney cultures - to prevent a flu that could be prevented with a little Vitamin D in the form of sunshine.
UBM, to answer your question truthfully, you can tell a mentally retarded person generally by their actions and perhaps speaking patterns at times. With Downs Syndrome, there are physical characteristics coupled to MR. You don't need to conduct an IQ test to tell if someone has deficiencies in their reasoning skills. On that note, DVs point is well taken.
I have used the term genius before to refer to people that are talented in certain areas. But I don't think of the term as a categorization for intelligence because I don't believe in intelligence quotients at all.
Personal experience, particularly as a tutor has shown me that such categorizations do not do POTENTIAL justice.
Here's a story for you. I once tutored a ward of the state, a beautiful gal who had two kids by the time she was 18 and had dropped out of high school. She was functionally illiterate and was a student that was passed on from grade to grade simply due to overcrowding in schools and the fact that she never rocked the boat in class.
By all rights, she was a castaway of society. Too bad she never got individual help in math because she was, as you might say a 'math genius'. She could add numbers in her head and do complex manipulations with numbers, but she couldn't tell me what the number was called; Like she wrote 1 000 but didn't call it one thousand.
She was an interesting case of someone with poor verbal skills but HIGH math potential. Unfortunately, my letters to her teachers didn't do jack shit and like I said above, she dropped out of high school.
I don't know what happened to her, but a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
If Albert Einstein was in her position, he may have similarly languished in hi lifetime. BUT he had an uncle who helped him to develop his potential in mathematics and later developed some interesting theoretical physics. The difference between him and my gal was BACKGROUND. If she was born to an affluent family and had an Uncle who was a scientist, you best believe she'd have won a Nobel Prize by now.
This is why your quest to define who might be smartest according to genetic markers is so silly and basically non sensical.
Barring neurological dysfunction, many humans have the potential to be put in the so called genius category but far too many of us lack the background and don't have someone to give us that individual attention.
Get over it UBM, the IQ test is a sham!
dayyum....,
drank my chill,
ate my popcorn,
changed the channel long enough to pick up some groceries
put dinner in the oven,
and when I tune back in
what do I find?
nothing but a charnel house...,
ain't nothin left of David but tiny bits'o chittlin,
cracklin,
and some little,
barely visible morsels
of hogheadcheese...,
^ Craig, eat your pigs-in-a-blanket and let this conversation carry on without you, would you please?
Somebody might gain new insights.
Mahndisa, thanks for your thoughtful responses.
You wrote:
But I don't think of the term [genius] as a categorization for intelligence because I don't believe in intelligence quotients at all.
So you don't believe there exists a small subset of people who possess "reasoning skills" far above the norm? I think you're unusual in that regard, Mahndisa.
I suppose that most people have the experience of encountering individuals of extraordinary intelligence.
Most people, likewise, would have no problem grasping the concept that you couldn't replace half the undergraduate student population at Harvard with students from the University of Kansas... and expect those Jayhawks to outperform the Harvardites.
The difference between him and my gal was BACKGROUND. If she was born to an affluent family and had an Uncle who was a scientist, you best believe she'd have won a Nobel Prize by now.
That's a very unpersuasive proposition, Mahndisa. Not to mention unprovable.
It's up there at the same level of wishful thinking and rhetorical hokum as Bro. Nulan's declaration that U.S. prisons are just loaded with folks intellectually gifted enough to prosper at M.I.T.
If you believe that the only relevant difference between the average high-school dropout and the average Nobel Prize winner is luck... then we're truly talking at cross purposes.
I think most people are quite comfortable with the idea that some people are smarter than others.
now a brazen ad populum or fallacious "appeal to popularity".
David are you capable of articulating a single thought devoid of logical fallacy?
Somebody might gain new insights.
The more you express, the more apparent it becomes exactly why you succumbed to Murray and Hernstein's gobbledygook....,
seriously,
your utter inability to think/express absent logical fallacy - would function like pristine nutrient media for the bell curve infection.
What is smartness UBM? What you have said isn't provable either, nor could it ever be. You can map genomes till the cows come home and that still could not answer this elusive question of what is intelligence.
No, I am not an elitist in any capacity because I've met many 'smart' people who haven't had a fair shake in life to exploit their talents.
You discount the personal experience I have dealing with students, TEACHING and LEARNING from them in the process. You mentioned straw man's earlier, but now you've done gone and asked me to prove something via shifting the burden of proof. Do you know what factor analysis is?
Do you have any understanding of the statistical tools that these pseudoscientists use and how they've bastardized interpretation of data as a result?
Your whole proposition that some ethnic groups are smarter than others is 'unprovable' because again, you haven't even defined what intelligence is to begin with.
I'll leave you with this question:
Who is more of a genius, Jamie Fox or Marilyn vos savant?
Oh, is GW Bush smarter than you because he went to Yale?
Do you have any understanding of the statistical tools that these pseudoscientists use and how they've bastardized interpretation of data as a result?
Which "pseudoscientists," Mahndisa? I have appealed to no "pseudoscientists," nor referenced the work of any "pseudoscientists." So please leave CNu's straw man out in the cornfield where it belongs.
You can map genomes till the cows come home and that still could not answer this elusive question of what is intelligence.
You might be mistaken there, Mahndisa. Because one of the profound, paradigm-obliterating impacts of the mapping of the human genome is... genetic scientists might figure out how intelligence works at the DNA level.
There is at least the potential to figure this out. To wit:
"Scientists at The Queensland Institute of Medical Science (QIMR) have identified two regions of the human genome that appear to explain variation in IQ. Their work was published this week in the American Journal of Human Genetics and has drawn world-wide interest." (source)
Who is more of a genius, Jamie Fox or Marilyn vos savant? Oh, is GW Bush smarter than you because he went to Yale?
Who cares, Mahndisa? There is no public-policy implication to comparing the intelligence of any two given individuals.
The profound public-policy concern has to do with matters such as college admissions. Or law school and medical school admissions. Or other areas of society where blacks are under-represented at the elite levels.
Is such under-representation "unjust"? I don't assume so... because I don't know of any reason to expect that the proportion of black students admitted to Stanford Law should equal the proportion of black people in America.
Get what I'm saying? "Under-represented" compared to what?
I accept certain unequal social outcomes as reflecting the state of nature... not "institutional racism" or GSWS or anything else.
David are you capable of articulating a single thought devoid of logical fallacy?
Know what, Nulan? I'm still tripping on the fact that it never occurred to you to assume that the 1000 Genomes Project might settle this argument over the heritability of intelligence in your favor.
You simply dismiss that vast, expensive, labor-intensive, international research project as bullshit a priori.
Very telling.
David Mills...
"I accept certain unequal social outcomes as reflecting the state of nature... not 'institutional racism' or GSWS or anything else."
David is in great company here. Namely that of Thomas Jefferson. And who could ever doubt that man of reason and liberty? To wit:
"Comparing [the Negroes] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous."
and here...
"But never yet could I find that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration; never see even an elementary trait of painting or sculpture. In music they are more generally gifted than the whites with accurate ears for tune and time, and they have been found capable of imagining a small catch. Whether they will be equal to the composition of a more extensive run of melody, or of complicated harmony, is yet to be proved."
And then there is this gem...
"The improvement of the blacks in body and mind, in the first instance of their mixture with the whites, has been observed by every one, and proves that their inferiority is not the effect merely of their condition of life."
Hey
Measuring intelligence is a subjective and hierarchical way of determining the fittest. Its designed to suit prevailing views within a specific temporal context. How many have lived as mediocre people only to be celebrated as geniuses posthumously?
I think Mahndisa makes a brilliant argument. UBM, I don't see how homegirl v Einstein is 'unprovable' or how y'can dismiss those in prison when the measuring of intelligence in itself is a socio-scientific practice.
For me Alice Walker, puts into historical context what Nulance & Mahndisa & it just sums it up for me. (& no I'm not harking back to the past as symptomatic of PTSD, I like the way Alice Walker puts it & it can be applied to the contemporary)
From In Search of My Mother's Gardens
"What did it mean for a Black woman to be an artist in our grandmothers' time? It is a question with an answer cruel enough to stop the blood.
Did you have a genius of a great-great-grandmother who died under some ignorant and depraved white overseer's lash? Or was she required to bake biscuits for a lazy backwater tramp, when she cried out in her soul to paint watercolors of sunsets, or the rain falling on the green and peaceful pasturelands? Or was her body broken and forced to bear children (who were more often than not sold away from her)-eight, ten, fifteen, twenty children-when her one joy was the thought of modeling heroic figures of Rebellion, in stone or clay?
How was the creativity of the Black woman kept alive, year after year and century after century, when for most of the years Black people have been in America, it was a punishable crime for a Black person to read or write? And the freedom to paint, to sculpt, to expand the mind with action did not exist. Consider, if you can bear to imagine it, what might have been the result if singing, too, had been forbidden by law. Listen to the voices of Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Nina Simone, Roberta Flack, and Aretha Franklin, among others, and imagine those voices muzzled for life. Then you may begin to comprehend the lives of our "crazy," "Sainted" mothers and grandmothers. The agony of the lives of women who might have been Poets, Novelists, Essayists, and Short Story Writers, who died with their real gifts stifled within them."
What if being "under-represented" was in comparison to those over-represented not to the proportion of Black people in America?
You still haven't defined what intelligence is yet David. I am waiting.
Konwomyn, thanks for your salient comments here and for the compassionate comments on my blog. You have hit the nail on the head with your Alice Walker quotes. The anguish of seeing dreams dry up like raisins in the sun for generations and then this bullshit talk about some races are smarter than others makes my head ache.
I love the way the architects of oppression always hold the progeny of the oppressed responsible for their socioeconomic and educational plights, as if that was inheritable and has nothing to do with social and institutional structures MADE to keep us out of them...Sadly, David you've fallen for that irrational bull and that saddens me.
"The agony of the lives of women who might have been Poets, Novelists, Essayists, and Short Story Writers, who died with their real gifts stifled within them."
Since I'm playing the villain role tonight, KonWomyn, it's on me to ask: How many of those 18th-Century black women would've been poets or novelists or essayists... in Africa??
Let's shed a tear for those generations of women who died with their real gifts stifled within them because they were unlucky enough to be born into a society without an alphabet.
You still haven't defined what intelligence is yet David. I am waiting.
Instead, Mahndisa, allow me to quote from the esteemed geneticist Joseph D. Terwilliger, whose wisdom Nulan has invoked in the past. In an email to me, Dr. Terwilliger wrote several months ago:
"Intelligence is obviously heritable. If it were not, how can humans have more of it than mice or chimpanzees since the differences are all genetic. That is not really debatable.
"People can debate how one should measure it, or what it is, but clearly it is something and that something is heritable as are all brain structures and everything else.
"And we all know people who are smart and people who are stupid, ... so clearly there is variation in it. I mean none of this should be anything anyone has any real debate over."
Mahndisa insisting on a definition of what "intelligence" is... is like Mike Fisher insisting on a definition of what "race" is. A rhetorical square dance.
If you wanna get into the deeper levels of what this is all about, Mahndisa, I'll go there witcha.
David, you are giving mere desciptions of something that still hasn't been defined. You might say its rhetorical but you cannot propose to measure a quantity if you don't know what it is. And quoting Terwilliger is fine, if you care about what he has to say. What I'd like to know is what YOU think intelligence is, not that it might be heritable, or that humans are smarter than apes. And again, you are invoking measures where you haven't even defined a rubric under which intelligence can be measured, lest some iq test.
You also haven't addressed the issue that Konwomyn eloquently brought up or even me earlier, which is that potential can become actualized under the right circumstances. If someone is stuck in a socioeconomic spot that does not afford them to indulge in their passion or talent, then are they any less 'smart' then someone whose parents had the money to cultivate that talent with lessons and so forth?
Again, the question is What is intelligence?
And your half ass answer to her comment was very nasty and really did skirt the issue. The issue wasn't whether or not the women would be able to cultivate their gifts in Africa, it was that they were deprived of honing their talents because they were human chattels. Have you forgotten that?
David Mills...
"Mahndisa insisting on a definition of what "intelligence" is... is like Mike Fisher insisting on a definition of what 'race' is. A rhetorical square dance."
(1) So you go around using concepts and words without having an understanding of their meaning, (i.e. definition)?
(2) You're practicing diversion. Mahndisa dodn't ask you whether intelligence is inheritable. She asked you to define thie concept you are using.
(3) Intelligence as I define it obviously is inheritable and thus a function of biology. Though there is a question to which extent the ability to use one's intelligence is hindered or enhanced by social and environmental factors. Look at, for example feral children.
(4) Be that as it may, however, intelligence can't be inherited on the basis of "race" because the concept of "race" is biologically meaningless.
If you do find it biologically meaningful, then please do deliver a definition of race.
The issue wasn't whether or not the women would be able to cultivate their gifts in Africa, it was that they were deprived of honing their talents because they were human chattels.
Mahndisa, I'm trying to challenge the sentimental horseshit that people attach to discussions of slavery.
Alice Walker is saying black women's humanity was diminished because they weren't taught to read and write.
I'm saying that, if not for white people, Alice Walker's ancestors -- as well as her descendants -- might never have learned to read or write at all.
OK UBM but now you've gone and opened up a whole new can of worms and I've not the patience or wherewithal to debate the last statement you made. We have a different world view, one that is damner irreconcilable. I've learned that tonight. Goodnight then.
UBM:
You don't get Alice Walker. She wasn't talking about women in Africa but their subsequent oppression in America which severed their connection to their tradition, custom and lineage.
It has nothing to do with 18th Century women in Africa reading and writing - your use of a contemporary measure of intelligence is anachronistic and does not fit the context. Which is why I stated in the beginning the measures of intelligence are subject to temporal and cultural contexts. The measure of intelligence in traditional Africa was by their cultural standard not your imposition. And because contemporary measures of intelligence are based on a hierarchy - that is not a universal norm.
"Alice Walker is saying black women's humanity was diminished because they weren't taught to read and write."
Again you misunderstood its because "it was a PUNISHABLE CRIME for Black people to read and write."
"I'm saying that, if not for white people, Alice Walker's ancestors -- as well as her descendants -- might never have learned to read or write at all."
This and your no alphabet comment is a sign of pure ignorance and arrogance that cuts deep UBM. For someone who knows so much, you seem to have so little understanding. I think you need to crack a history book and learn about African writing systems and don't read it through the blinkered eyes of Joseph Conrad as you've shown here.
Here are a few writing systems to get you started Ge'ez, Nsibidi, Vai, Mende, Olmec and Meriotic.
...one
Good morning boys and girls.
gleaned any new insights yet?
rotflmbao...,
DV,
Next time yo boy call his self "fact checking" on you - remember the three little words by which his whole worldview was permanently and completely discredited,
the.bell.curve
after that, everything else is merely conversation..,
I think you need to crack a history book and learn about African writing systems...
KonWomyn, please tell me, from your own direct knowledge... what writing system did the Shona people employ prior to the 20th Century?
Rock art.
David:
You've shown that you don't really care about engaging these issues. Konwomyn has brought up very good points, in addition to the other posters here. You have Stockholm syndrome like a mutha...There is nothing I can do for you but pray;)
David, would you rather be a literate slave or an illiterate free person?
^ That's an interesting riddle, Fish. On one hand, the literate slave might be intellectually and spiritually equipped to plan his own freedom... and the freedom of others. At the very least, he could teach other slaves to read. Or document his own circumstance in persuasive writings that could turn the tide of history.
On the other hand, the illiterate free person... I mean, they walk amongst us today. And I couldn't imagine wanting to trade places with one.
How would you answer your own riddle, Fish? And why?
Mahndisa: You have already declared on this thread that the "elusive question of what is intelligence" is unanswerable... that intelligence is indefinable.
Why, then, would you want to hear my definition of intelligence? Nothing I can say would satisfy. That would just be a waste of my valuable time.
I'm too intelligent for that. ;^)
We're not in a college dorm room splitting a six-pack. I'm trying to challenge your preconceptions at a high level of sophistication. It would benefit you to accept the challenge.
So, Mahndisa... do you believe there exists among us a small subset of people who possess "reasoning skills" far above the norm? Or do you think most people's cognitive aptitudes are pretty much equivalent?
That is an interesting riddle Fish.
I'm finding the more 'literate', people are today ... the easier they are indoctrinated.
The easier they become bound to the Plantation.
The Plantation feeds people with master degrees plastic, toxic food ... and they eat it like loyal dogs.
Look at this DMG cat. Has a Medical Doctorate. Ignorant as hell when it comes to real health issues.
My great grandmother who lived into her late 90's had a much more keen sense of what was real, tangible and valuable than these so-called "literate" people today, although she didn't attend high school.
Makes you wonder what they are teaching in school.
Would you rather be a literate person with cancer or an illiterate healthy farmer?
You have already declared on this thread that the "elusive question of what is intelligence" is unanswerable... that intelligence is indefinable.
Wasn't the "declaration" confined to YOUR peculiar inability to properly define this indispensible cornerstone of your ideology?
do you believe there exists among us a small subset of people who possess "reasoning skills" far above the norm? Or do you think most people's cognitive aptitudes are pretty much equivalent?
Do you actually equate ratiocination - or as you put it "reasoning skills" with intelligence?
Because "reasoning skills" are by definition language based and thus, almost entirely learned.....
I'm trying to challenge your preconceptions at a high level of sophistication.
"sophistication" requires a degree of exactitude of which you seem entirely incapable.
It would benefit you to accept the challenge.
lol...,
some of the most patently ignant arrogance ever spouted on these intertubes....,
If you weren't such a clown, I'd take offense to your comments. You know, I don't recall EVER being enlightened by any of your drool. Because I'm an optimist, I continue to wait. Because, you don't know even the most basic facts of ANY subject you attempt to argue, you are an embarrassment. Your narcissism is no longer comical. Your only reference points are those conjured in your own cluttered mind. Seek help, because your paranoid musings are no subsitute for evidence and fact. By the way declarations from YOUR mouth does not make something fact.
It's now obvious that you only need me or Submariner in an attempt to legitimize make your health care screeds. I'm cutting you off.
David I'll take freedom over literacy any day. Why? I just have this distaste for being a slave.
You didn't answer my question though. Would you, David Mills, rather be a slave who is literate or a free person who is illiterate?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Of course Negro MD.
Cut me off? LOL
How many times you going to give this speech?
Go inject some black children with cow bovine, mercury and anti-freeze cuz the government and the pharmaceutical corporations told you it's safe.
Ooops. I mean. Go inject some 'multi-cultural' children with cow bovine, mercury and anti-freeze. (Because we know you are not a "black doctor")
Right. (Like Negro MD's ever have more than 5% non-black patients.)
JUST STOP PRETENDING IT IS SCIENCE.
It is pure profit and extremely evil.
The same people who manufacture the vaccine ... manufactured the VIRUS.
Not once did you EVER contribute any valuable health information.
You just PARROTED the Plantation.
What was that about prostate cancer? Oh. LOL. Yeah. Men should go get a finger stuck up their asses once a year until a medical doctor announces they now have prostate cancer.
Then they can get on the chemo drugs.
Brilllllliant.
Sciiiiiiiince.
Billions of dollars and medical research and that's the best ya'll can do?
Certified Sanctioned Quackery.
What about reducing toxins and purifying the diet?
Oh. Yeah. That's right. Not as much money in that kind of advice.
You'd rather sell them drugs. Just give lip service to prevention.
But anyway. Though you are too embarrassed to admit you learned anything - please suggest your patients maximize the amount of sunshine and vitamin D they get during this little manufactured pandemic.
Tell them DV said take 1 tablespoon of Cod Liver Oil and to get as much sunshine whenever they can. It will undoubtedly protect them from influenza more than the untested vaccine you are peddling for Baxter.
Cool?
No hard feelings. You were useful in exposing the gaping holes in Plantation medicine and the Plantation system all together.
If you didn't exist. I would have had to invent you.
David I'll take freedom over literacy any day.
But Mike... didn't you read that Alice Walker quote upthread? Don't you understand how vitally important literacy is to fulfilling one's personhood? Just imagine the agony of the lives of women who might have been Poets, Novelists, Essayists, and Short Story Writers... if only they had the ability to read and write.
To be literate is to have access to the accumulated wisdom of the greatest minds of the past. To be literate is to sail the ocean or climb a mountain from your living room chair.
To be literate is to be able to compete with a world full of literate and ambitious people.
"Just imagine the agony of the lives of women who might have been Poets, Novelists, Essayists, and Short Story Writers... if only they had the ability to read and write." UBM
Like NY Times Best Selling author Karrine "Superhead" Steffans?
"Just imagine the agony of the lives of women who might have been Poets, Novelists, Essayists, and Short Story Writers... if only they had the ability to read and write."
UBM why are you still misinterpreting that extract when I broke it down for you? You talk abt peops learning on this thread - sho' right, you're in schl dude.
You know, you are right (for the first time). You are absolutely right, I have stayed far too long. But, I have to admit there is something wonderfully hypnotizing about this level of abject ignorance and how you so proudly display your absolute stupidity, like some sort of strutting peacock. I couldn't turn my gaze away, because I could not believe someone would (or could) so fully embrace the antithesis of thoughtful logic. But there, as we can see you have done this very thing. Irrationaly, poorly constructed, paranoid rantings all carefully wrapped in some hip-hop vernacular to appeal to dullards who have been conditioned to "listen to the flow" rather than the lyrics, are all you have to offer. You rhyme OK, but you are like Coors: lightweight, with no flavor, Wonder Bread: form but no substance. You play on the dinner table rumors and fears of black folks, without shame. Whispering bile that reinforces irrational fears. You want to keep them from receiving the medical care they deserve, but I haven't figured out why, yet. Usually, your type is selling something. I admit that I kept waiting for the punch line, for something profound that perhaps I wasn't catching. But no, you really are as dumb as you come off. Not even puddle deep. You cannot be embarrassed, because you ACTUALLY believe your own bullshit (what was that Seinfeld line...if you believe it, it's not a lie). I've only ever encountered such depth of nuttiness on psychiatric rotations in medical school. You seem to be fixated on anything that is contrary to known facts. ANYTHING. But this is far beyond devil's advocate. You aren't debating anything. You are merely talking loud and sayin' nothing. But I've suspected your NPD since I arrived.
It's too bad. You do have some nice website skills. By the way don't waste a rhyme, I probably won't be reading.
Calm down Doc.
You advocate cow bovine, mercury and anti-freeze be injected into the bloodstreams of children.
I advocate sunshine and Vitamin D.
Everything else speaks for itself.
Hey DMG
I'd really have liked you to stepup and answer the questions posed by other peops here. Your response was crucial, errybody wanted to know what you had to say. But you've given little or no response at the best of times and dodged questions or woofed 'liar' at the worst of times. The more you woofed abt 'basic facts' the more you looked like were out of your depth with all the info presented to you.
This is a BLOG. A virtual platform where empty threats like "I'm cutting you off" are of no substance. Lol! Don't take things so serious bra, DV ain't yo' son.
Just breathe easy.
*Breathe*
Go to a happy place in your mind.
*Breathe*
Now, answer the questions asked by these peoples like you were talking abt swine flu with one of your "social castaways".
Ok
UBM why are you still misinterpreting that extract when I broke it down for you?
Not misinterpreting, KonWomyn, but re-interpreting. Because Ms. Walker revealed something she didn't intend to reveal.
And I'll say it again: If not for white people, Ms. Walker's black ancestors likely would've never learned to read and write.
I think that's an intriguing, challenging way to consider what slavery ultimately meant.
In other woids... instead of blaming whitey for all the black women who never became writers... why not thank whitey for all the black women who ultimately did?
UBM
And I'm reinterpreting you to give proper meaning to your words;
If it weren't for White Crackers, Black people would not have been deprived to learn to read and write in Western language systems. And when they did defeat the oppressor and assert the right to learn to read and write in these foreign tongues they wrote the most beautiful books, most lyrical poems and invoked the art of spoken word with a funkyness that could never, ever have been dreamed of.
Give credit where its due; Western languages are so much richer in meaning and have a variety of dialects to boast because they're now also owned by all peoples of colour scattered across the globe. If they'd stayed spoken by Europeans; they be as bland as British mashed potatoes.
^ That I can't argue with. Whitey invented the saxophone... but Coltrane had to show 'em what to do with it.
Culture is a two-way street.
Credit-where-due should be a two-way street as well. But self-righteous, grudge-bearing Negroes be all like, "Yeah, fuck whitey"... but yo... you can't knock Oxford and Cambridge.
Well, it appears this thread ended up at the exact same place as the one I referenced earlier on intelligence and race.
Ha we're getting somewhere, good. There is always a cultural exchange upon moment of contact between two groups - whether that encounter is mutual, unequal or violent. But denial of the impact of this encounter is fatal for both.
BTW Checked out your blog earlier and I see you're givng props to The Noisettes - nice. They rock this side of the pond, are they big in the US as well?
^ I had never heard of the Noisettes, KonWomyn. Just stumbled upon them on YouTube.
Well that was gr8 discovery UBM, they're pretty kewl.
David Mills...
"But Mike... didn't you read..."
David, is this your way of answering my question to you as thus: David Mills would rather be a slave who is literate than a free person who is illiterate?
^ No, Mike. This is:
Don't waste my valuable time with bullshit angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin hypotheticals.
Some of the most intelligent people on the planet have undertaken the task of mapping more than 1,000 genomes from Africans, Asians and Europeans... and comparing them to see how they differ.
Rather than discuss the ramifications of such an astonishing project, you're asking me whether I'd rather be a literate slave or an illiterate freeman?
Fuck the time-wasting bullshit, Fish. Talk about something that matters.
^David. Why is that a question that is so hard to answer? You asked me that question as well (see above) and I answered it. As I understand it, you are positing that a major the benefit of European enslavement of Africans was giving these Africans access to literacy. In fact, you suggested above that African enslaved women and their descendants ought to be thankful for the literacy they received from these Europeans.
Thus, the question is not at all rhetorical:
Let me put it this way then. Is your love of literacy so great that you, David Mills, would rather be owned as literate chattel by another person, than be an illiterate free person?
Please be so kind and answer this very simple question.
David Mills...
"Some of the most intelligent people on the planet have undertaken the task of mapping more than 1,000 genomes from Africans, Asians and Europeans... and comparing them to see how they differ."
Fine. But what does that have to do with the 5+ billion Africans, Asians and Europeans whose genomes are not being mapped and compared in order to see how they differ?
Hey DMG
I'd really have liked you to stepup and answer the questions posed by other peops here. Your response was crucial, errybody wanted to know what you had to say. But you've given little or no response at the best of times and dodged questions or woofed 'liar' at the worst of times.
Agreed! Other than you say so why is this vaccine safer than natural preventive measures for the flu?
Fine. But what does that have to do with the 5+ billion Africans, Asians and Europeans whose genomes are not being mapped and compared in order to see how they differ?
Give it time. A few years ago, one human genome decoded. This year, a thousand genomes decoded. Ten years from now... millions of genomes decoded. The database will do nothing but grow.
We are on the verge of learning extraordinary things about the mechanics of human life.
Is your love of literacy so great that you, David Mills, would rather be owned as literate chattel by another person, than be an illiterate free person?
David. Why is that a question that is so hard to answer?
Not hard to answer. Not worth my time to answer. You answered it so glibly as to illustrate its uselessness in discerning anything of value.
I don't do hypotheticals, Michael.
As I understand it, you are positing that a major the benefit of European enslavement of Africans was giving these Africans access to literacy.
Yes.
In fact, you suggested above that African enslaved women and their descendants ought to be thankful for the literacy they received from these Europeans.
Anyone who can read and write, yes, should be thankful for literacy. If you're reading and writing English... who you gon' thank?
If you're reading and writing French, who you gon' thank?
If you're reading and writing Spanish, who you gon' thank?
If you're reading and writing Portuguese, who you gon' thank?
If you're reading and writing Arabic, who you gon' thank?
Let me put it this way then. Is your love of literacy so great that you, David Mills, would rather be owned as literate chattel by another person, than be an illiterate free person?
I can say that it's quite conceivable that my quality of life -- not to mention my opportunities to shape my destiny -- would be better as literate chattel than as an illiterate free person.
David Mills...
"I can say that it's quite conceivable that my quality of life -- not to mention my opportunities to shape my destiny -- would be better as literate chattel than as an illiterate free person."
Thank you for your answer.
I don't do hypotheticals, Michael.
except for those he imagines as having a chance of resuscitating or justifying his "courageous" adherence to a discredited 150 year old pseudo-scientific justification for racism....,
I can say that it's quite conceivable that my quality of life -- not to mention my opportunities to shape my destiny -- would be better as literate chattel than as an illiterate free person.
In regard to the pending starvation of over a million in Ethiopia, some equally grateful "courageous" dullard over at my spot had the audacity to hypothesize thus:
Countries with level or zero populaton growth have high literacy rates. Countries with high population growth tend to have low literacy rates. Correlation is not necessarily causation, but this correlation is very strong throughout the world. You can't debate solutions to population growth without including literacy and education. Literacy is the ultimate solution.
To his credit, at least said dullard noted that "correlation is not necessarily causation" - and then made grossly inaccurate statements about population growth in "literate" societies - those literate countries, boast populations ten times larger than they were at the beginning of the oil era.
Literacy is neither cause nor cure, OIL is the cause of the population boom and the so-called "green revolution" which has permitted arable land to produce three times as much grain as it did in 1960.
Only educated but really quite ignorant fools confuse knowledge and information with finite and irreplaceable natural material resources, same type of fool quick to confuse correlation and causation and show himself incapable of distinguishing between the two.
Now that the resources have been squandered and have peaked and gone into indisputable decline, these very same educated fools will be scurrying frantically for the next several years to help construct a justifying narrative for the global resource war (still in its earliest stages) that is the only available corrective for quickly eliminating 5 billion plus "different" or "illiterate" humans whose continuing existence is incompatible with the unsustainable and profligate anglospheric lifestyle which has brought the species and the planet to this tipping point precipice.
The question of "blame" for what is about to transpire is white hot.
In fact, all domestic and international politics can now be reduced to lines of force organized around "with us" or "against us" lines of finger pointing and culpability for cultural choices that have brought the species to this bottleneck.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva was genuinely courageous enough to tell the truth about the underlying cause of the situation.....,
One need only consider who is all gunned up and vaccined up in preparation for the genocidal slaughters to come.
A genuinely courageous person can look very directly at the facts of the matter without recourse to "just-so" storytelling to paper over the ugly underlying truth.
^ Yeah, whatever. Either way, the future will be driven by the highly intelligent and the masterfully literate.
No it won't.
The future belongs - as it always has - to those most fit and capable of surviving no matter what happens to the society upon which people such as yourself entirely and completely depend.
The prospects for illiterate Guatemalan subsistence farmers are better than for you or your hypothetical progeny....,
^ Keep rooting for the world to fall apart, Craig. If it all turns to shit... maybe you'll enjoy that sweet satisfaction of saying "I knew it all along!" to people who won't give a shit what you knew or when.
Of course, if the world doesn't fall apart... if it all doesn't turn to shit... all you've done is wasted enormous chunks of your adult life being an obnoxious, neurotic and tiresome douchebag.
We'll see in a few years, I suppose.
rotflmbao...,
If I should die tomorrow David, hundreds would turn out for my funeral.
Should the same fate befall you, your absence would go unnoticed until the stench reached your neighbors nostrils....,
^ Dude... when I die, it'll be reported in newspapers.
I'm kind of a big deal.
^^ Dude ... who reads newspapers?
^ Touché.
Here lies David Mills. He lived and died by his dictum:
"I can say that it's quite conceivable that my quality of life -- not to mention my opportunities to shape my destiny -- would be better as literate chattel than as an illiterate free person."
Rest In Peace.
Dictum? I hardly knew him.
Dickdom
Happy Labor Day. David,
I think we bandied about a bit, but from the comments I still don't see you define intelligence. I haven't said that it is undefinable, simply that you haven't defined it. You've given some of its characteristics, but haven't given an explicit definition.
As Craig pointed out earlier, reasoning skills can be taught. Have you ever tutored or taught any subject? Participating in a volunteer programme as a tutor might open your eyes to the concept of neuroplasticity. This concept was not known during Darwin's time and racialists who believe that some 'races' are smarter than others are stuck in an obselete paradigm.
There is ample evidence that Darwin himself experience neuroplasiticty in his brain in his middle age years, but yet did not incorporate this concept into his theories on intelligence, to my knowledge.
I haven't said that it is undefinable, simply that you haven't defined it.
No, Mahndisa. Actually, you wrote this:
"What is smartness UBM? What you have said isn't provable either, nor could it ever be. You can map genomes till the cows come home and that still could not answer this elusive question of what is intelligence."
But let me prove my point -- that you believe, as you have repeatedly declared, that intelligence is indefinable -- by presenting my definition of "intelligence"... and seeing how you respond.
Intelligence is, generally speaking, a talent for solving problems.
Whenever we talk about a talent, we get into subjective areas. But that doesn't mean that talent doesn't exist.
I'd be hard-pressed to define "good writing" in an objective sense... but I damn sure know it when I see it. Present me with two pieces of writing, and I can tell you which one is better... and provide reasons for my judgement.
Alas, "talent" is a thing that cannot be taught. Skills can be taught; talent cannot be taught.
I can give anyone tips on how to improve one's writing... but I cannot turn a mediocre writer into a good writer. Because there's nothing I can do to change the level of talent in a person.
I've taught a writing workshop or two in the past. But I discovered that teaching is not for me... mainly because I don't like dealing with young people's writing samples. And here's why:
If the writing sample reveals a poor talent, there's nothing I can do to change that. If, on the other hand, the writing sample reveals a great talent... then what use is a teacher? Writing talent will assert itself regardless.
Now, Mahndisa... what's a more interesting conversation? For us to go round and round on what the definition of "good writing" is? With you insisting that I cannot adequately define my terms?
Or for us to talk about the art of writing?
If the writing sample reveals a poor talent, there's nothing I can do to change that. If, on the other hand, the writing sample reveals a great talent... then what use is a teacher? Writing talent will assert itself regardless.
The above reveals nothing so much as laziness and a pathetic inability to teach.
^ It's no surprise to me that you know jack shit about the art of writing, Craig. So shut your fucking pork hole and try to learn from the experiences of talented people.
I excelled in the competitive worlds of newspaper journalism and TV scriptwriting without the benefit of a writing teacher. Hired by the Wall Street Journal out of college... working at the Washington Post by 28... making a living in Hollywood at 32.
Didn't even have a proper mentor till I joined the writing staff of "NYPD Blue," where one of America's greatest storytellers -- David Milch -- took me under wing.
And even then, what Milch passed on to me weren't codified lessons but a standard of excellence and a way of being as a writer. These things would've been wasted on a pupil lacking talent.
Can you get your head around that, CNu?
Soon as you crossed my path, Craig, I read up on the Du Bois Learning Center and your activist mentor.
While I respect those who volunteer to tutor schoolchildren, I have seen nothing to alter my assumptions about the destiny-shaping influence of talent.
On the Du Bois Center website, they boast about one of their greatest success stories in "building minds." I speak of Lisa.
"Lisa became a Learning Center student while in elementary school and demonstrated superior ability. She was placed in the enrichment program wherein she continued to excel. As a result, the Kansas City School District allowed her to take freshman algebra during her seventh grade year.
"Lisa's academic performance enabled her to receive a scholarship to Praire View A&M University where she graduated in mechanical engineering."
Well done, Lisa. And well done, Du Bois Learning Center.
But what allowed Lisa to excel to the degree that she now serves as the center's greatest success story?
Your man said it himself: "superior ability."
Also known as talent. Or, dare I say... intelligence.
If it was all about the teachers and tutors, then all them kids would be copping free-ride scholarships to Prairie View A&M... right?
I excelled in the competitive worlds of newspaper journalism and TV scriptwriting without the benefit of a writing teacher. Hired by the Wall Street Journal out of college... working at the Washington Post by 28... making a living in Hollywood at 32.
lol..,
now why wouldn't ward connerly simply chalk you up as yet another affirmative action hire with a demonstrated talent for brown-nosing and going along to get along? a jason blair who managed not to get caught fucking up?
Didn't even have a proper mentor till I joined the writing staff of "NYPD Blue," where one of America's greatest storytellers -- David Milch -- took me under wing.
And even then, what Milch passed on to me weren't codified lessons but a standard of excellence and a way of being as a writer. These things would've been wasted on a pupil lacking talent.
uh David...,
a "hookup" to churn out forgettable grist for the ephemeral pop-cultural mill hasn't exactly garnered you entry into the canon of literary greats.
but enough of breaking your comically self-inflated balls...,
My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with your stellar talents, "literary greatness", and indisputable self-importance - rather - it had e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g to do with your fundamental incomprehension of the art of teaching.
Having taught everything from reading fundamentals to 7 year olds, to "ethical" hacking to military personnel going on for over two decades - I've been fortunate enough to learn a thing or two about the art of teaching, and more importantly, the profit to the teacher derived from mastering the same.
I'll use my genuinely talented colleague Anthony Jappa to illustrate what I mean.
Brother Jappa is an entirely self-taught writer and illustrator and it would be a gross understatement to describe his work as merely brilliant.
He also happens to be an extraordinary teacher and a truly humble and generous human being. I've been fortunate enough to observe him teach lots of kids how to write and how to draw, and most interestingly, to demonstrate to them how the latter is a mechanical extension of the former.
Jappa completely embodies and has demonstrated the capacity to systematically convey to others all the internals of genius.
Mastery to the level of improvisational brilliance in any culture of competence - is simply a matter of converting the subject, the practice, into a game that you obsessively and compulsively play toward a neverending evolutionary aim.
Once you manage to convey to anyone the nature of the thing, be that person child or working adult, and they then "get it" - genuinely know what it means to WORK for the pure pleasure and self-evolutionary aim of the WORK - then you've succeeded in the art of teaching.
If, on the other hand, you view teaching exclusively in terms of spotting precocity, something any lazy schlub can do in his sleep, all you've demonstrated is your selfish inability to understand the process of teaching others.
Only through the process of teaching others, is it possible to continuously advance the state of one's own craft. I would go so far as to say that teaching others is the ONLY means by which perpetual self-overcoming, i.e., continuously transcending one's autonomous limitations, can be achieved.
Well, I do have to say this. While I'm an adequate writer myself, I did ask David Mills to collaborate on an idea I had and go 50/50 on the project. That despite the fact that our political and sociological views are opposite to the point of alacrity. Having been in the entertainment business for close to 25 years now, I wouldn't have been able to survive, much yet prosper and achieve a measure of success without being able to identify polished talent.
Mastery to the level of improvisational brilliance in any culture of competence - is simply a matter of converting the subject, the practice, into a game that you obsessively and compulsively play toward a neverending evolutionary aim.
Utter horseshit. Comical, even.
You live in a world of fantasy, Craig. No wonder you pissed away your 40s trying to become an entrepreneur.
You cannot teach someone to outwrite me. The people who can outwrite me are born with something. They always had it.
You can't teach someone to outplay Prince.
You can't teach someone to outshoot Kobe.
The talented and the gifted will always rise in any culture of competence. The untalented but hard-working will do all right.
Everybody else better hope they marry a woman who can sell real estate.
I'm sure Comic Book Writer understands everything I been kicking in this thread... even if you can't allow yourself to, Craig.
Also, Craig... just so I make sure I didn't hallucinate... you shit-talk my "forgettable grist for the ephemeral pop-cultural mill"... and then bring a muhfuggin' comic-book artist into the conversation?!?
What a nerd.
While I may never create anything to match the transcendent brilliance of "Xigatu Warriors"... I bet if you told your boy you knew me, he'd be sweatin' me for the hookup.
rotflmbao.....,
lol...,
Must you always [Comment deleted] rehearse your vitriolic little outbursts?
You cannot teach someone to outwrite me. The people who can outwrite me are born with something. They always had it.
Such a tightly wrapped ball of loneliness, frustration, and pain - steady searching for validation.
Sorry dood, can't help you on that front. Outside of your twenty year old Prof. Griff article, I've never read or watched a single thing you've written.
The talented and the gifted will always rise in any culture of competence. The untalented but hard-working will do all right.
ok, ok...,
but tell me first, self-professed, sui generis literary prodigy,
what exactly IS a culture of competence - as best you understand such a thing?
please, take your time.
I'll be out for a while because my little boy is teaching taiji broadsword to his sifu's younger students this afternoon - and I need to go peep his steez.
Outside of your twenty year old Prof. Griff article, I've never read or watched a single thing you've written.
Too busy reading comic books?
I can dig it.
While I may never create anything to match the transcendent brilliance of "Xigatu Warriors"... I bet if you told your boy you knew me, he'd be sweatin' me for the hookup.
I bet that if you had anything truly valuable of your own to offer - you would've extended yourself to others a long time ago...,
^ If you're giving your boy Jappa career advice, Craig, then nobody will ever hear of him.
Not even those high-IQ prison inmates you speak of... who, theoretically, have all the time in the world to read fantasy comix.
If he or any other man wanted the type of career advice you're capable of offering, why wouldn't they just read Karrine Steffans instead?
Nah.
Homeboy will do his thing and achieve his objectives like a man David.
Then, when he's finished, he'll go out like a man too.
Mourned by his women and children.
Mourned and celebrated by the thousands whose lives he touched in the community in which he lived and worked.
sheeeeeiiiiittt.......,
Any man would take that
ANY DAY
over the fate which befell Michael Jackson.
and the even more baleful one beckoning you.
Childless.
Womanless.
Unknown outside a small circle of professional associates.
Sudden absence unnoticed and unfelt.
EMT's will find you slumped over on the toilet.
Even then, only because the stench of your bloating corpse happened to offend a neighbor's nostrils.
Oh, and like you said.
You'll get an obit.
Next spring, Craig, ask your wife to splurge on a couple months of HBO. And check me out on the new drama series "Treme."
No superheroes or samurai aliens in it, so you probably won't be entertained.
But you might learn something about New Orleans culture.
Wow. I come to make a comment after my Mother in law's memorial service and I see another pissing match. David, I had never heard of you before I visited blogs. I am sure you could say the same about me. Because of this, I am not biased one way or the other about your writing style. I think it's great that you have achieved success in your field. I am simply saddened that you believe in antiquated theories based upon outdated psueudoscience.
I still stand by what I said, and am pleased that you finally answered the question of how YOU define intelligence. You believe that intelligence is the ability to solve problems.
Wouldn't you agree that some problems require foundational knowledge to solve?
In terms of what you said about teaching, too bad that you took so little from your experiences. I believe your view is narrow. If you identified a writer with high potential, I am sure he or she could benefit from a good teacher, coach or mentor to help them focus, tighten and hone their craft. Track athletes that have natural talent do not get to win competitions overnight. They have to learn to stretch their muscles, and effectively train their bodies to do the impossible. TRAINING is part of neuroplasticity of learning, which is what I referenced above.
TRAINING is part of neuroplasticity of learning, which is what I referenced above.
But as you say, Mahndisa, training benefits the talented. Just as higher education benefits the intelligent.
You can't put any guy off the street into M.I.T. and expect him to prosper.
My bottom line in this whole issue is: Some social inequalities are to be expected... because individuals have unequal degrees of talent and intelligence.
You can't put any guy off the street into M.I.T. and expect him to prosper.
Yes you can David, with the proper attention, tutors and training, any guy off the street with an ounce of sense could graduate from M.I.T.
Think about GW Bush. He went to Yale and his parents had the resources for him to get his degree. You know he had tutors and all kinds of help. Do you think that he earned his degree from his own intelligence? You seem to think that Ivy League schools produce people who are smarter simply because they matriculated there. Ever heard of legacy admissions? Another reason why your reasoning is suspect.
Yes you can David, with the proper attention, tutors and training, any guy off the street with an ounce of sense could graduate from M.I.T.
There is no reason on Earth to believe this, Mahndisa. None.
This is fantasy thinking. Unfortunately, that kind of fantasy thinking has been encouraged by hard-leftists and egalitarianists who are offended by the fact of unequal talents and unequal outcomes.
Keep an eye on the 1000 Genomes Project over the next few years. And be prepared to adjust your ideology in light of new information.
I wouldn't call it "fantasy thinking" UBM;
Gary McKinnon would sail through MIT quite easily.
Doris Lessing and Henry Ford were high school dropouts but were Ford alive and had Doris Lessing taken up offers; both would be named honorary professors.
Curtis Jackson, Sean Puffy Combs and Mr Carter don't need recognition from MIT, au contraire, students in business studies would do well to learn from them.
Unfortunately, that kind of fantasy thinking has been encouraged by hard-leftists and egalitarianists who are offended by the fact of unequal talents and unequal outcomes.
lol...,
the only fantasy here is your pretending anything you do is special.
The only offense - ignorant arrogance publicly trumpeted by an exceptionally lucky mediocrity.
that latter moral offense reflects a lack of objectivity and stunted moral development.
Homeboy will do his thing and achieve his objectives like a man David.
Oh... you mean Jappa's wife sells real estate too?
Haw-haaaaw!
Seriously though, Craig... ask your wife to spring for the premium cable in March so you can check out "Treme" on HBO.
I wouldn't have watched it even if I didn't know you were associated with it.
^ Them superhero comics don't leave you time for nothing else, huh?
Dag, CNu... you're almost 50, dude. Leave them comic books to the younguns.
David, your mind is made up, apparently. You believe that some people are better than others, and that your writing is unparalleled. Well I can do nothing to change your mind and vise versa, so I think this conversation is likely over.
You never addressed our past President and whether or not his degree from Yale makes him any smarter than you or me.
You believe that some people are better than others...
I never said any such thing, Mahndisa. I do, however, believe that some people are more intelligent than others. And some people are more talented than others.
I think these are undeniable propositions.
I further believe that, generally speaking, those who are more talented and more intelligent will prosper the most in a free society.
You never addressed our past President and whether or not his degree from Yale makes him any smarter than you or me.
Mahndisa, you repeatedly make the mistake of focusing on individuals... while I'm talking about society at large.
I'm not saying that every person who ever attended Yale is more intelligent than everyone who didn't attend Yale.
Dag, CNu... you're almost 50, dude. Leave them comic books to the younguns.
lol...,
muhphuggah,
you at least two years older than me,
got no woman,
no children,
and no prospects,
and deflecting from the terror of your own personal situation,
you want to pretend that I'm personally indulging comics?
whatever you makes you feel better...,
David Mills...
"I'm not saying that every person who ever attended Yale is more intelligent than everyone who didn't attend Yale."
Let me contribute my absolutely, definitively, unquestionably, unbiased five cents on this one:
EVERY person who ever attended Yale is more intelligent than everyone who didn't attend Yale. That's an established fact.
Craig Nulan on his comic-book “addiction”:
“... I used to have a serious love jones for comic books. ... I was a hardcore comic book collector when I was boy. Back in the day, a dollar would get you 4 comics and an afternoon of mind expanding escape. ...
“Comics were not only the cheapest and best entertainment available to me - they became the core of my very first business, as well. By the age of 12, I had become a collector/dealer of comics.
“By the time I was 20, my collection was extensive enough that I was able to pay for my first two years of college tuition and expenses through the sale of much of that collection. ...
“Comics creation is an immensely powerful and fundamental narrative discipline that is imperative for us to master and control.”
(Source)
rotflmbao....,
and out of all that - instead of concluding the obvious that my time has been spent teaching children how to create them, you want to pretend that I'm too busy reading and collecting them to trouble myself to watch teevee, in particular, your little patch of pending teevee?
ok.
"I used to have" doesn't mean the same thing to you as it does to other folks.
I was also the author of this program and it's endgame result, as well:
Kansas City, Mo. School District Receives $250,000 Award
The Kansas City, Mo. School District (KCMSD) is the 2006 recipient of the $250,000 Best Buy Teach Award for demonstrating exceptional creative use of interactive technology to help make learning fun for its K-12 students.
The district was selected for the top honor based on the strength of its ROOTS (Reaching Out with Opportunities in Technology for Students) program, a district-wide initiative to deliver more authentic learning experiences for students through use of consumer electronics. The $250,000 Teach Award will fund the initial implementation of ROOTS at three KCMSD schools.
"We believe technology will empower our students to become lifelong learners and contributing citizens of an ever-changing global society," said Anthony Amato, superintendent, KCMSD. "We're thrilled that Best Buy is helping us achieve this mission in a very big way."
KCMSD was invited to apply for the $250,000 award after one of its schools, J.S. Chick Elementary, received a $15,000 Teach Award in January 2006 for "Listen to Our Elders," an oral history classroom project that explores the African American experience through the stories of people in the students' lives.
Through its Teach Awards, the school has incorporated a full spectrum of digital media technologies and recruited both youth and adult volunteer instructors.
http://www.queuenews.com/NewslettersSept06/Missouri%20.html#kc
What is intelligence...
Embrace of truth
Dispense of falseness
That makes the most sense...
But the post-Darwinian materialist
Say intelligence is survival
Crush the adversary
And kill the rival...
Those who God fear
Must accept the battle...
Time to rattle the cage of the contender
Intelligence exists
We must use it to be Truth defenders
So no need to get bogged down
In all things racial...
It's CNulance
With his odious nature
That deserve the facial...
Time to face the facts
Post-Darwinian materialism
Is like Incredible Hulk on crack
And even more advanced HGH
These megalomaniacs
Got mad memes to create...
Rape and plunder
We all go under
Except CNulance...
This dude is so prepared
He's the Big Player
On the chaotic gameboard we all must share...
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