Thursday, July 09, 2009

Plantation Negros And Their Fixation With Skin Color

There are 25,000 Tanning Salons in the US generating $6,000,000,000 in sales.

Why don't Plantation Crackas accuse tanning salon patrons of "trying to be Black" the way bugeyed Plantation Negros accuse Michael Jackson of "trying to be White"?
(hint: because neither black nor white has a fuckin' thing to do with skin color)

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

ha! genius dv

pink said...

you're not looking at the full picture... changing his skin color was just one of the factors that leads to the conclusion that he wanted to be white.

Anonymous said...

Because they're trying to be golden bronze, not black or even brown really.

It's theoretically possible for white people to darken naturally like that via tanning, but not so much for dark people to lighten up so dramatically by any natural process.


BTW, has anyone noticed that Prince has kinda done the same thing too? On his earliest album covers, he was a deep, dark chocolate color. But now, he's a light beige and wears a lot of makeup too.

Big Man said...

DV

So you saying that because white folks don't say something, black folks shouldn't say it either?

Come on now, be real.

White folks don't say they want to look black when they get tans for the same reason they dont' admit butt implants and collagen injected.

In order to continue the lie of White Supremacy, they can't admit that they would like to have certain black traits. If someone is inferior, you don't want to be like them. If you want to be like them, they really can't be inferior.

pink said...

Don't get started on my Prince and no he hasn't changed a thing... he knows better than to mess with perfection.

Big Man said...

My bad.

It should read

"White folks don't say they want to look black when they get tans for the same reason they don't admit butt implants and collagen injected lips are an attempt to look black."

Anonymous said...

Ok my bad, he actually wasn't that much darker back then, although there's still a noticeable lightening:

Brown Prince
Very light Prince
Pinker Prince

It was interesting how he cast his mom as white in Purple Rain though, even though his real one wasn't. More white fantasy?

Sasha said...

When was Prince ever "chocolate brown"??? Please post a pic of that. And he has always worn makeup. Remember the album cover with the the Farrah hair? Eyeliner for days....

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to name/clearly identify the drug that turns skin paper-white. (Because as is clearly obvious, MJ did not have the skin of a Caucasian man.) I'm just curious. In 20+ years, I've never seen anyone show a picture of it. Is it a pill, lotion, what?

Anonymous said...

Benoquin removes the melanin in your skin, permanently.

You can do your entire body in 5-8 years.

That's actually how Michael met Debbie Rowe. He burned himself applying bleaching cream to his balls, and she (a nurse) tended to him.

Drawback is that it makes you very sensitive to the sun.

RJESq said...

Had the same question Sash. Am waiting with baited breath for those details to be revealed.

CNu said...

they're trying to be golden bronze

meaning they wanna look like high yella Black folks - cause that fish belly complexion's just not hittin the spot....,

Michael Fisher said...

"Benoquin Cream 20% is a depigmenting agent whose mechanism of action is not fully understood.

The topical application of monobenzone in animals, increases the excretion of melanin from the melanocytes. The same action is thought to be responsible for the depigmenting effect of the drug in humans. Monobenzone may cause destruction of melanocytes and permanent depigmentation. This effect is erratic and may take one to four months to occur while existing melanin is lost with normal sloughing of the stratum corneum. Hyperpigmented skin appears to fade more rapidly than does normal skin, and exposure to sunlight reduces the depigmenting effect of the drug. The histology of the skin after depigmentation with topical monobenzone is the same as that seen in vitiligo; the epidermis is normal except for the absence of identifiable melanocytes."


link

Anonymous said...

As I said before, name one powerful or prominent white person who has attempted to permanently darken his/her skin, and I don’t mean tan his skin. I mean really darken it to the hue of the average Nilotic person. In addition to darkening his skin, name one who has kinked his hair; widened his nose, and continued to widen it even further.

It ain’t happened. Being white is about a lot more than skin color. It has to do with total phenotype + a certain ethos.

Denmark Vesey said...

"DV

So you saying that because white folks don't say something, black folks shouldn't say it either? Come on now, be real." BM

Nah. Big Man.

I'm saying people have choices.

They can choose to look at things the way they wish to see them.

For whatever reason millions of white people paying money to lay under ultra-violet lamps and RISK SKIN CANCER to become more brown ("tan" and "bronze" are silly euphemisms) are not accused by Plantation Crackas of attempting to becoming "less white".

People who want to believe Michael was "attempting to escape his blackness" can certainly do so if they wish.

Plantation Negros who play Complexion Police suffer from an insecurity so pervasive they perceive "blackness" as something one escapes from when given the chance.

Michael's skin color and features changed over the years. So what?

Millions of black women relax their hair every day. Do they hate their "blackness" too?

'Wishing to be less black' makes as much sense as a man wishing to be less wealthy.

Think about what you are saying.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

I hope that in years to come, our kids will laugh at the ridiculousness of this conversation. I think MJ wanted to be Peter Pan! After all his surgeries he didn't really look like any human being I've ever seen. And perhaps he wanted it that way, to be a colorless or to break from our silly paradigm in the US about black and white and so forth.

I went to the mountains yesterday and someone remarked that a Black man had blazed some of the trails.I thought that was cool but was saddened that it should matter.


And yes, I have met some white girls who try to get their hair as kinked up as possible via perms and or dreads. California has a LOT of white people with dread locks. Just go to Santa Cruz or Berkeley.

Dreads are an African hairstyle. I wonder do those hippees want to be African cuz they dread their hair?

Big Man said...

Here's my thing.

If MJ wanted to be Peter Pan and never grow up, should we really be holding him up as the paragon of "blackness?"

The man could sing and dance. He did both extremely well. Yet, I think the amount of praise and acclaim showered on him is starting to become overkill.

All of us are human. We all have flaws and strengths. We can't pretend that MJ's flaws didn't exist while we celebrate his strengths. That is the same mistake people made with many black icons of the past.

You can still be great and be flawed.

Big Man said...

Denmark

"Relaxed" hair is hair chemcially altered from its natural state to more closely resemble the hair of Europeans.

So yes, sisters who relax their hair are trying to escape part of their blackness.

It doesn't make them evil or stupid, but it is what it is.

Demark Vesey, the man who rails against genetically modified food, vaccines and swine, thinks it's know big deal that women put chemicals on their hair to change it's texture?

The same man who things prescriptions drugs that regulate blood pressure are a trap, thinks it's perfectly normal and acceptable for a man to have dozens of surgeries to alter his hair, to take chemicals to lighten his skin and to wear hairpieces to alter his hair?

This doens't make sense my brother. You have championed the purity of body and mind movement for quite some time on this blog, and yet you seem willing to abandon those principles for the sake of one dancing and singing man who if he wasn't famous would probably be number One on your Plantation Negro list.

Y'all making it a zero sum thing. Michael didn't like looking the way God made him. Like a handsom black man. He wanted to look like something else. A prepubescent white boy.

And y'all are really trying to sell the myth that this wasn't a sign of some deeper pain?

Anonymous said...

Millions of black women relax their hair every day. Do they hate their "blackness" too?


According to Malcolm X and probably most actual Africans - YES!

But again, since this subtle process of self-hate has become so widespread and legitimized in this country, blacks have stopped to think about it.

Which is the same thing Michael has done to wanting to be white - legitimized it.

30 years from now, blacks will be saying:
Millions of black men shave their noses down, bleach their skin white, only date white women and have white surrogate babies every day. Do they hate their "blackness" too?

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...
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Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

If MJ wanted to be Peter Pan and never grow up, should we really be holding him up as the paragon of "blackness?"

Big Man:
You know that I haven't fallen into the trap of treating him as a saint or anything like that. Holding him up as a paragon of Blackness is not my thing because I don't think in that way. In my mind, someone that is great is a badass, but I don't put a color on it.


So yes, sisters who relax their hair are trying to escape part of their blackness.

You are simplifying this waaaaay too much. Some gals get a relaxer simply to comb their hair easier. I've known women that request the beautician to NOT rid the hair of all the kink, just to reduce it for ease of use.

It isn't that different than using hair grease or silicon products on your hair at all; something to alter the texture for ease of use. Sure some women are into self hatred. But with so many women rocking locks and natural styles nowadays, I think this discussion is a bit from the 1970's...

80 said...

I can’t sit back anymore and not put anything on this site I have lurking on for months.

Big Man,

You have a perception of what "blackness" is and you seem to feel Mike Jack should have embraced that version of blackness instead altering his physical state and mental state respectively to look like, according to you, “A prepubescent white boy.” But, you are trying to make sense out of this commentary through your subjective lens of what blackness should look like or act like, when in reality, there is no one way to represent someone's blackness. Real quickly, the NAACP proved to the world how insignificant color and facial features are in regards to your identification, in the landmark case Plessy v. Ferguson. There are plenty European-featured blacks that would blow your theory away, and I’m sure some of them stay in tanning booths, for one reason or the other, but not exclusively to look more “black.” Furthermore, chemically relaxed hair does not signify a yearning to look European, no more as it can be attributed to maybe, looking like an ancient Egyptian, or Indian, or Ethiopian. You actually continue to spout out your sub-conscious allegiance to European culture.

Anonymous said...

^ As you can see, the rationalizing away, self-justifications, denials and acceptance are already kicking in due to Michael's legitimization of the desire to be white.

I'm sorry, I mean the desire to "transcend race," become like a fairytale cartoon character, make beauty rituals easier, blah blah..anything BUT..simply wanting to look and be white. Which obviously played NO role whatesoever in any of his extreme body modifications and lifestyle behaviors.

It's kinda like breaking the 4 minute mile. Now that Michael's done it, it's sooo much easier for everyone else to.

Big Man said...

80

We all know what Michael Jackson looked like before he began changing himself.

We all know what he looked like when he finished.

MJ changed his face to resemble an elfish cartoon character. It's obvious.

You can pretend there is nothing deeper about that if you like. That's your choice.

Also, to pretend that black women in America began getting relaxed hair to look like Egyptians or any other group besides Europeans shows a SHOCKING lack of education about the history of black people in this country.

There is no doubt that black people run the color gamut. That we have hair and eyes of all types.

However, it's also true that there was systematic attempt by white folks in this country to condition the black people that came here as slaves to believe that the way their hair naturally grew, the natural color of their skin and their natural eye color, was ugly.

This was done on an individual basis and on a macro basis. This is fact.

I am not revealing any bias by saying that black women began relaxing their hair, putting deadly chemical on their SCALPS because they were told that they way their hair naturally grew was hideous. I am not mistaken when I point out that for years black folks have used terms like "good" and "bad" to describe certain types of hair, eyes and skin, with all of the things in the "good" category being closer to the Europeans who were the majority group in this country.

You are the one living in a fantasy world where people put dangerous chemicals in their hair to straighten it because they want to look like Egyptians. That's your fantasy.

My reality is the one that's backed up be all the evidence....

Big Man said...

MSR

On the hair thing,

I don't mean to say that ever time a black woman sits in the salon she's thining "I hope I look less black when she finishes."

I'm saying that it's not easier to manage and care for relaxed hair when compared to natural hair. It's not healthier for your hair, or for you body. I'm saying that you are chemcially altering your hair in a process that will ultimately result in it falling out early.

I think that many women have a bunch of reason for why the relax their hair. But, I think the root is that they want their to look differently from the way God made it, and they are willing to hurt themselves to achieve that look.

Something is wrong there. If this wasn't about hair, but about vaccines, or modiefied food, or whatever, the blog host would be all over it.

When you start hurting yourself just to look different, it's time to re-examine some things.

Michael Fisher said...

Mahndisa...

"So yes, sisters who relax their hair are trying to escape part of their blackness."

Ummmhmm,Mahndisa?

No offense, you know I love ya, but is that what you are trying to do?

Michael Fisher said...

Big Man...

"If this wasn't about hair, but about vaccines, or modiefied food, or whatever, the blog host would be all over it."

The explanation for this one is easy, Big Man. As any cursory examination of this blog would reveal, our bloghost has a serious affinity for light-skinned boyish-looking females with just enough touch of African features to take the edge off.

His current conclusions are but a logical progression.

80 said...

Big Man

C'mon now, really, we are living in 2009 and your argument would be relevant in the 20th century but now, MISS ME WITH THAT HOMIE!!! Especially after events like 9/11 and the election of King Hussein as president, so-called black folks in particular, more than ever, feel and look at themselves as Americans.

In saying this, so-called blacks now have embraced the corporate empire and now one observe that they are looking more in tune with corporate standards, which is more relevant a conversation than race.

It's not about “light skin” versus “dark skin” or “good” hair versus “bad” hair; it’s about if one seen as corporate or “other.”

Mike Jack understood this and his handlers had an even better understanding of corporate entertainment. He never looked out of place in his skin, even if was altered over time because he was BRAND unlike no other that was as evolving as MTV’s programming...

Europeans didn't have some monolithic ideology to subjugate the African solely. C'mon homie, corporations don't see race they see workers and consumers and you can be any so-called color, ethnicity or nationality and feel the wrath of the Big Advertisement telling you what and how you should think, feel, or act.

So when so-called black women dye, fry and/or relax their hair, they can be in allegiance to any empire I named in the aforementioned post, just as much as so-called whites can be tanning for any number of reasons. Not because they all want to look Black.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Not at all Michael and I was quoting Big Man, that isn't what I believe at all. And in that pic, my hair was straightened VIA FLAT IRONS the next week it was in a natural style. I wear my hair in many different ways and like the flexibility to do so. Big Man you are right that many different women have suffered from self hatred but in many other cases, that is far from it.

I have a relative whose hair is so nappy that you cannot even get a METAL rake through it. He gets relaxers so that it is still nappy but easier to comb. And his hair doesn't look relaxed AT ALL!

Relaxers are a tool and can be abused or whatever else. Just like hair grease. If everyone wanted to be exactly as God made them, there would be no grooming products, no hair cuts or anything else because if you cut your hair, you are altering your natural self.

I could go on for days about this, but it ain't right to generalize lemme tell ya! People have been altering their appearance to conform to their cultural standards of beauty for thousands of years. The ancient Egyptians are a very good example, they had quite intricate hairstyles which they were not born with, but constructed.

Casper said...

DV Said..
"For whatever reason millions of white people paying money to lay under ultra-violet lamps"

Tanning salons are just for convenience?... Caucasian's have been tanning in some form since the beginning of time. Tanning is a natural process whereby the skin creates the brown-colored pigment called melanin, to protect it against the harmful UV rays in sunlight.

So I don't see the connection with a natural process versus taking drugs to remove pigment which then makes one more sensitive to UV rays.

Casper said...

DV
"Michael's skin color and features changed over the years. So what?"

Combined with:
1 white wife + 1 white wife + 1 white kid + 1 white kid + 1 white kid = I wish to be white maybe ???

Casper said...

DV
"Millions of black women relax their hair every day. Do they hate their "blackness" too?"

This may have had some merit if it were not for the fact that their are afrikan and african-amercian women with naturally straight hair. Causian's don't own straight hair.. as well their are white people with kinky and curly hair.

pink said...

Casper, your equation omitted cutting your nose and lips in half...

Big Man said...

80

Define the "corporate" look.

What is corporate?

Who sets the standard for corporate?

What was the standard 30 years ago?


Your argument ain't working. You know as well as I do who sets the "norms" for this country and you know what they are based on.

You know that these "norms" are blasted out to the masses who then scramble to adjust their behavior accordingly on a conscious and sub-conscious basis.

If you think that looking "corporate" has nothing to do with race, you're the one that is sadly mistaken. If you think the push towards "corporate" isn't also a push towards a European norm, then you have been blinded.

Folks have been telling black Americans what is an is not normal or American for generations and unfortunately, many of our people have been duped. This is evident in small and large practices.

Casper said...

Big Man
"But, I think the root is that they want their to look differently from the way God made it"

I am not sure that altering ones hair indicates ones desire to change race. Hair styles are temporary.. Tanning is temporary.. Plastic surgery is for a lifetime so are kids!

CNu said...

If MJ wanted to be Peter Pan and never grow up, should we really be holding him up as the paragon of "blackness?"

guess little Black kids not authorized by the "Blackness Police" to like Peter Pan...,

DV - you better change your avatar homie - cause next thing you know, you gonna get put in check by the Blackness Police for your 007 and Scarface allusions.

Did MJ or did he not captivate the world across generations with his channeling of jes grew?

Was he, or was he not ridden by the ancestral loa harder than just about anybody else you care to name?

If that doesn't qualify him as an exemplar, then just like with religion, perhaps many of y'all really don't understand the nature of the thing and are stuck on arbitrary phenotypical designations of non-existent biological "races".

Fisher, you been conspicuously quiet on this repeated frontal assault by persons of color to one of the foundation stones of your core theory.

What up?

Cat got your tongue?

Big Man said...

Cnulan

Mike was a complicated man.

He had flaws and strengths, as I've said many times.

Far too many folks are airbrushing out the flaws in a rush to celebrate his talent and accomplishments. I think it's wrong to do with Mike, I felt it was wrong to do with Dr. King or Malcolm X.

Humans are complex creatures and we need to examine the entirety of a man in order to fully grasp who he is.

I think Mike work ethic and creativity should be admired. Maybe even emulated if possible.

I think he's desire to surgically change his face and skin, should not be admired. I think it probably speaks to a deeper issue that should be examined to help other youngsters from going down the same path because of the many pressures they get from the outside world.

Mike was a triumphant and tragic figure. Both sides should be examined.

It seems like a lot of cats are pretending like the bad stuff didn't happen or was unimportant in the face of the good he did. I don't roll like that.

The bad was important, the good was also important. They can both be important and educational.

I don't think you can be a paragon of blackness if you are consistently trying to change your physical appearance to look like something that does not look anything like any black person on Earth.

We can argue about what constitues blackness. We can go back and forth about whether physical markers have anything to do with blackness. Personally, I think that's pointless. We all use the same general physical traits to define blackness and we all know that Mike possessed them at one point. And then he didn't.

Big Man said...

Casper

I don't think the permanence of a change has anything to do with the intent of the person making it.

Hair styles are only temporary if you're willing to change them.

The root of all of this stuff is the same man. Y'all know that, you see it everyday in the choices people make.

Michael Fisher said...
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Michael Fisher said...

Nulan...

"Fisher, you been conspicuously quiet on this repeated frontal assault by persons of color to one of the foundation stones of your core theory.".

What? I said already. Mike was a victim of white supremacy. White supremacy above all works on the minds of its victims. Else it wouldn't work at all because sustained violence only gets you so far and eats up resources like crazy to boot.

Jim Tyrell (PBUH) was the VP of Marketing at Epic and in charge of Mike's career at that time. Tyrell happened to be the mentor who ushered me into the music industry. He explained exactly what they did at the time. You can believe me that Mike's physical image (the "Mulatto" image of Thriller) was no accident. It was an integral component of the marketing campaign that was designed to have him go POP. You know what POP means, of course. It means having millions of pubescent white girls put up your poster above their beds.

Anonymous said...

The great irony here is that Michael wouldn't even want to be seen with you black negros defending him.

It's like a bunch of nerds defending a nerd-turned-jock in high school - who now refuses to eat lunch with said nerds anymore.

Seriously, how pathetic is that? You must have self-esteem even lower than Michael's!

Intellectual Insurgent said...

I think he's desire to surgically change his face and skin, should not be admired.

Who was admiring it Big Man?

No one said anything about it. You and a few others are the ones saying - "ignore everything exceptional about this man and don't admire him because he wanted to be "White".

In effect, player hatin' on a dead guy.

Because you continue to miss the point. When DV calls MJ The Blackest Man on the Planet, he ain't talkin' about skin color.

I Love DV Too said...

II is DV's groupie.

I Love DV Too said...

Dirty Dinah.

CNu said...

I think he's desire to surgically change his face and skin, should not be admired. I think it probably speaks to a deeper issue that should be examined to help other youngsters from going down the same path because of the many pressures they get from the outside world.

Who besides Janet and Latoya have gone under the dermatome to emulate MJ?

WHO?!?!?!

Please name a single one - or give that lame trope a rest.

Anonymous said...

Did MJ or did he not captivate the world across generations with his channeling of jes grew?

I’m not familiar with jes grew, but it is a fact that Jackson was race transcending at the pop cultural level. The tangible result of that is? Name something……

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

Little Kim is one example of someone who has continuously lightened her skin over the years and gotten many plastic surgeries.

The truth is that people get plastic surgeries, on an elective basis for many reasons. One of them is simply because they can, another is plastic surgery addiction.

Joan Rivers is the poster child for this addiction. And sadly Little Kim is bringing up the rear.

Then there was the woman who wanted to look like a cat, not a human at all...

CNu said...

I’m not familiar with jes grew, but it is a fact that Jackson was race transcending at the pop cultural level. The tangible result of that is? Name something……

must be unfamiliar with the use of google too....,

CNu said...

MJ carried archetypal possession, not only for himself, but for millions of young people around the globe.

He channeled (as all who carry heavy duty archetypes) for many people of his generation and later ones as well many of the high and low aspects of popular culture.

Human monsters and magicians come in many forms, and all of them carry unbelievable wounds and scars. Given the power of mass media to communicate their tragic and amazing lives - his effect on hundreds of millions of psyches was profound.

In the specific case of Michael Jackson, he made hundreds of millions of human beings very happy at least at one or another moment in their lives.

Anonymous said...

In the specific case of Michael Jackson, he made hundreds of millions of human beings very happy at least at one or another moment in their lives.

So has cocaine.

Anonymous said...

In the specific case of Michael Jackson, he made hundreds of millions of human beings very happy at least at one or another moment in their lives.


So have Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt and most porn stars..

Big Man said...

Intellectual Insurgent

If you read what I wrote and got from it that I said ignore everything Michael Jackson accomplished because of his issues with his skin, nose, hair and lips, well then you need to re-read what I wrote again.

DV is welcome to define blackness how ever he likes.

I'll do the same.

Big Man said...

CNU

Lil Kim springs to mind.

And many of other sisters and brothers convinced that their noses are too wide, lips to big and hair too nappy..

How about the millions of black folks afraid to go into the sun because they'll get too dark? Are the sisters and brothers who still think and afro or dreadlocks are something to scoff at?

This ain't a new problem. Michael Jackson didn't create the problem, but he clearly dealt with it.

Big Man said...

Anonymous is funny.

I love being white said...

I have no problem with Michael Jackson wanting to be white. Who wouldn't want to be white?

CNu said...

So has cocaine.

So have Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt and most porn stars..


So, in the mind of ain't-i'm-an-ass - happily enjoying MJ's song and dance is equivalent to drug abuse and masturbation.

Anonymous is funny.

only if you're as twisted a little phuk as he is....,

I love being white said...

You blacks are funny. Look. Let's face it. Michael Jackson was much better looking at the time of Thriller than Off The Wall. And he really got good looking at the time of Bad. After that he overdid it. But compared with the original Michael Jackson with the big nose he was a vast aesthetic improvement when he released "Bas:.

I love being white said...

By the way. The less black Michael Jackson looked the more sophisticated his music became. You blacks notice that?

Anonymous said...

Didn't MJ have Vitiligo? How come nobody mentions that when talking about his skin color changing. He could no longer keep his black skin color and the only other option is lightening the skin to get rid of the rest of the still black areas. That way at least the skin is one uniform color. Who wouldn't do what he did if they had that rare disease, always had to be in the public eye, and had the amount of money he had?
I do agree he went too far with altering his nose/face and was an addict of plastic surgery. But I don't know if he would have lightened his skin (to be THAT white) if he didn't have to.
As far as the white kids, I can understand him not wanting to have his own biological kids for reasons of not wanting to transfer Vetiligo and lupus, which he suffered from also (both having some genetic factors). But he did choose to use a white man's sperm (it looks that way) rather than another race so he wanted white kids obviously. So I believe it's a combination of not being comfortable in his racial identity and substances (like the disease, racism, etc...) that were out of his control. Just my two cents. I normally come to this blog and quickly glance at what's being said but this time I had to post something with this being such a hot topic and all :)

I love being white said...

Ok, Vitiligo. But you've got to admit that MJ looked much cuter on the Thriller album than he did before (especially when that big ugly nose was modified) and that he looked best when he did the Bad album.

Michael Fisher said...

You're a pretty crude guy Farst a/k/a "I love being white"

Sasha said...

That little child Blanket is not white. Have you looked at him??

Thordaddy said...

Fisher,

Don't confuse me with others. I've stayed out of the MJ fray and decided to let people remember him the way that they want to remember him. Yet, he was both the affirmation and repudiation of radical autonomy theory.

KonWomyn said...

Wsup
I think Mike wasn't chasing whiteness but a unique identity. But it was combination of tragic factors: the man was top of his league and had iconic status. How wld any of us feel is we were in his position, at that age, at that time in history and faced with so many pressures from the industry to look a certain way and appeal to a certain crowd. Sure he had his in own internal issues and eccentricities and these added to his desire to stand out. As I said before the man was a perfectionist, having vitiligo was a flaw to him and the one way out (being the hyperchondriach he was said to be) was whiteout. Add to that his status got even bigger with Bad and Dangerous. His marriage to Lisa Marie Presley again shows his pursuit of greatness; who else but Elvis' daughter? Not many people matched/surpassed Elvis & MJ was one of those. The white kids - well he probably beleived in his bleached identity as being natural so the closest thing was White children. A Black child would remind him of the reality that bleached skin was unnatural. He was a complex person and to say he wanted to be white really jst irks but what's even more insulting is to have someone suggest people have low self-esteem bec they don't believe MJ wanted to be white. Are pple compensating for your own lack of critical insight by dissing others. Or are pple so intolerant of other people's views you think belittling them is the only way you're validated? That's sad, real sad.
peace

ethio said...

Oh my bad, yes you're right, little Blanket doesn't look like he's pure white. I was only thinking about the two older kids when I wrote that. I don't know what Blanket is but he sure doesn't look black to me.

moonwalker said...

Blanket was adopted from Europe.

What a shame, since there are so many unwanted black babies here in the US and Africa. But I guess Michael didn't want them either. Just like their black parents.

Imagine growing up knowing you were unwanted both by your black parents and black celebs. Because you are black. Ouch.

Michael could give lip service to "it doesn't matter if you're black or white," but clearly his actions spoke much louder than his words.

Anonymous said...

^"Blanket was adopted from Europe"

Pray tell, what tabloid did you glean that bit of information from?

CNu said...

northernmost tribute to MJ...., (featuring all this thread's bitchazz biters and haters buzzing around the camera lens)

Constructive Feedback said...

Denmark Vessey -

Your 'opinion' is clearly for SALE, all depending on who you are attempting to defend. This is the most disappointing attribute of you.

You are practicing what I call "They Are In The Mud With Us So This Proves What WE DO Is Justified".

DV - please explain your logic of how White folks tanning their skin is them "attempting to be Black"?

Does skin tanning INCREASE THEIR SKIN'S MELANIN CONTENT? Or does it appeal to their notion that a freshly "vacationed" person who has a tan looks more active, attractive and healthy?

Let's "big picture" this Denmark. Ultimately WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?

From your spirited defense of Michael Jackson's purge of melanin from his skin provides WHAT GUIDANCE to Black people?

I am now at the point where I "miss" your defense of Lil Wayne, preferring that to what you are doing now.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous is funny.

only if you're as twisted a little phuk as he is....,

Dude, it ain't that serious. I asked for something tangible and you gave me your version of Dr. Feelgood.

Ifs dat be all ya gots, dat be kool mon.

uglytruth said...

Bottomline is, one day in the future when we can just "take a pill" to genetically-modify our DNA, you KNOW that 95% of us will take them to turn white just like Michael tried doing with much cruder methods (but the best available at this time).

And at that point, he will be hailed as a great pioneer for "transcending race" with his "color-blind" credo that "it doesn't matter if you're black or white." Brutha was just ahead of his own time, is all. 100 years from now, there won't even be any QUESTION anymore about why someone would want to be white. It will simply be taken as a matter of fact given, like hair relaxers..

And every negro that supports him now, does so because deep down inside, they know they'd make the exact same decision if they had the realistic choice.

I know I would. But for now, I just have to settle with dating white chicks.