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In an astonishing article in LOOK magazine, Jan. 16, 1962, former Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion predicted that a one-world system, presided over by Jerusalem, will be set up in the near future. "All continents will become united in a world alliance at whose disposal will be an international police force, all armies will be abolished, and there will be no more war. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly united nations), will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents: this will be the seat of the supreme court of mankind to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah."
74 comments:
Aren't they demonstrating themselves politically indispensable to the process of bringing it about?
DV, you left out a couple of Ben Gurion's other "predictions" from that LOOK magazine special issue:
"A pill to prevent pregnancy will slow down the explosive natural increase in China and India. And by 1987 the average life-span of man will reach 100 years."
Oh do pray tell Brother Mills.
What does that bit of trivia tell us?
^That Ben Gurion was a harmless cook?
^ Another cum-drunk Nazi playing games. Ain't that messed up, DV?
LOL.
Sheeeeeeeeit.
Please Mills.
You really don't get it do you? I thought you were just frontin' all this time.
Ben Gurion a cook? Of course he was a cook! All Luciferian occultist seeking world domination are cooks.
Just as Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Perle, Cheney, and G.W. Bush were cooks.
Cook or not. He was prophetic. What he describes has occurred.
Listen to Obama's speech below this thread Mills. Think about the formation of the EU, NAFTA, global currency, US debt to international banks and the gradual introduction of international 'thought crimes'.
What does the plantation have to do Mills before you appreciate the reality of One World Government - destroy the dollar, collapse the American economy and dismantle US sovereignty?
Oops. They've done that already and you still don't get it.
The prison population in America has increased 1,000 percent in 30 years. How fast do you think the prison population is going to expand NOW MUHFUGGAS DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CHARGE AMERICANS TO INCARCERATE THEM INDEFINITELY?
But Naaaahhhhhh...
You think the only reason muhfuggas go to prison has something to do with a genetic predisposition for incarceration.
Let you tell it.
What's going on Mills?
Some fool hi-jacked your screen name?
In the future, DV, check the link to my name to tell the real UBM from the mischievous impersonators.
^Don't mind that impersonator, DV. Somebody broke into my account. I'm trying to get it fixed now.
Is there a place for plantation negroes in the NWO?
Yes sir. The line forms right behind B. Hussein Obama, Susan Rice, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell.
Let's get back on topic.
Undercover Black Man said... DV, you left out a couple of Ben Gurion's other "predictions" from that LOOK magazine special issue:
"A pill to prevent pregnancy will slow down the explosive natural increase in China and India. And by 1987 the average life-span of man will reach 100 years."Denmark Vesey said... Oh do pray tell Brother Mills.
What does that bit of trivia tell us?Please pick up from here since the fake UBM caused a brief derailment.
What does that bit of trivia tell us UBM?
Actually, Ben Gurion's prognosis on slowing down the explosive population increases in China and India was correct - just not for the technical reason he envisioned.
What he failed to take into consideration was that those two nevertheless vast human pools would culturally succumb to the global proliferation of dopamine hegemony and the globalized demand for an utterly unsustainable standard of living.
Unless of course, said hegemonic order of consumers and bankers was precisely what he had in mind for the "federated world alliance"...,
You are a plantation negro if you dont have $5000 cash on hand, mixture of currencies, precious metals and stones, a cache of weapons, a water table, 30 day food supply, a generator, and independent fuel supply.
You just another broke niggar talkin shit!
You just another broke niggar talkin shit!
...
Anonymous you still tryin' too hard. Your inferiority complex is showing like a slip.
All that displaced and disproportionate emotion gives you away.
LOL. Mad at DV because you aint get no pu-ssy in high school.
Lighten up with your Plantation Negro ass.
What does that bit of trivia tell us UBM?
It tells us that, while DV presented this "prediction" as a sinister revelation of Jewish designs (as David Duke and other professional Jew-haters have likewise done), in reality this "astonishing article" was a project inviting various world leaders to predict what the world would look like 25 years down the road.
President Kennedy and Martin Luther King also provided "predictions" for 1987.
Ahhhhhhh .... Daaaaaavid.
Come on bra.
Why the Pavlovian accusations of "Jew Hate" when confronted with 47 year old prediction of World Government?
What about this post is remotely evidence of the hatred of people who practice the Jewish faith?
All I did was quote the cat. Is quoting a Zionist the same thing as Jew Hate? See how they control your mind David?
David Ben Gurion is about as Jewish as John Gotti is Catholic. Yet you wrap him in a protective blanket Joooishness that makes him beyond reproach.
Or are you just playing the Plantation Negro role by expressing disdain for a world view not officially sanctioned by the Plantation?
You didn't even think about it did you. You just covering your ass.
("Dat wusn't me Massa! I wuzn't tawkin' 'bout no David Ben Gurion!! Un Unnnn! Dat wuz Denmawk Veseh n Dem!!!!" See here! Look at my comment! I implied Deee Veee wuz jus like David Dewk!)
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
David Ben-Gurion
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
When did David Ben-Gurion say that? DV, you're a deep cat... but you don't seem to give a fuck about accuracy. You pick up any ol' horseshit from the internets which fits your preconceived notions, and put it out there.
That quote above is usually attributed to Israel Koenig, not David Ben-Gurion.
Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion predicted that...this "astonishing article" was a project inviting various world leaders to predict what the world would look like 25 years down the road.I've noted that both you and DV have used the word "prediction", but I'm wondering what your objection to this entry is.
Since you both agree that these are nothing more than predictions, your disagreement (for lack of a better term) centers around the significance of the predictions themselves. DV says that these predictions are "astonishing". For your part, you seem to suggest that these are merely benign and harmless prognostications.
I guess my question is, why do topics like this and their related discussion on a public forum bother you so much? You have an almost robotic-like consistency when it comes to making appearances in threads like these in order to act as the Chief Debunker. It just seems like certain topics really get under your skin. Certainly you realize that you cannot control the content of the entries here, and in addition to that, you have your own blog where you can post whatever you please. So why do you persist in your efforts to determine what passes for acceptable topical debate here?
Just curious.
DV: Also, in case you're interested... evidently Koenig himself never said it.
You think you might've gotten hold of some bum information? Does it matter to you if you did?
Gray, don't you realize the Sadducee is making heroic and purely self-sacrificing efforts to morally and culturally uplift us poor benighted Black partisans?
Certainly you realize that you cannot control the content of the entries here...
Dude, how does me challenging the provenance of some of DV's information amount to trying to "control the content" of this blog?
The internets are full of good historical information. They are also full of rank horseshit, misinformation, disinformation, dubious conjecture, malicious lies, etc.
I used to be a professional journalist, and therefore I take seriously the distinction between reliable information and unreliable information.
Given my comments in this thread especially, my question to you is: Why don't you take that distinction seriously?
Gray, as usual, makes an astute observation.
I'll attempt an equally astute answer to his question.
If 47 years ago a world leader had predicted that in 2009 the world would see:
a) A human colony on the moon
b) Flying automobiles
c) A Subprime mortgage crisis in America, global economic turmoil, eroding national sovereignty, Genetically Modified Food that kills, endless war and an Executive Branch of government which operates outside the constitution with something absurdly called "prolonged detention".
... I would consider that man a prophet and a genius.
The operative point of this post wasn't a fucking "prediction". It was an acknowledgment of the obvious.
What Gurion envisioned in '62 is the state of the world in '09.
The America of our youth is gone forever. It is being taken away before our very eyes. Yet ... Plantation Negros and Plantation Crackas have been programmed to ignore it. To dismiss the reengineering of our nation as either a) a fabricated myth or b) something black people should not concern themselves with because we have other more pressing problems.
^ Cool, DV. Now... what's the deal with that "terror, assassination, intimidation" quote? Where did that come from?
UBM said: "Dude, how does me challenging the provenance of some of DV's information amount to trying to "control the content" of this blog?"Undercover Black Man,
Perhaps because of the fact that you cannot be an objective observer of your own method, I suppose it's entirely possible that you're unaware of the ways in which you try to control the discussions here.
So let me point it out to you.
Your main method of thought-policing around these parts consists mainly of the consistent trivialization and ridicule of the topic. Mockery and trivialization are the main methods whereby you go about discrediting the subject of the entry. Example: "DV, you left out a couple of Ben Gurion's other "predictions" from that LOOK magazine special issue:" Notice you put the word predictions in scare quotes here. This was similar to your statement of, quote, "Who the fuck is Previs to be believed?" Or more recently you said, "You might be a plantation negro if you think the Trilateral Commission is tapping your phone". It's always an effort to discredit with you. Always the immediate trivialization.
UBM said: "Given my comments in this thread especially, my question to you is: Why don't you take that distinction seriously?"On the contrary, I take the distinction between reliable and unreliable information very seriously. But in this case, the information in question is in the form of a simple verbal quote. Unless I missed it, I didn't see you specifically challenge the authenticity of the Gurion quote (not to be confused with the detour you've taken with the other quote). Either someone made a quote that is accurately attributable to them or not. They either said it or they didn't. So I'm not sure where you got the notion that I don't take that distinction seriously.
Since you brought up the fact that you used to be a professional journalist, I'd be interested on getting your take on the authenticity of the following quote:
We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.
Author: David Rockefeller, Source: Trilateral Commission meeting, June, 1991As a former professional journalist for the Washington Post, what is your opinion on the authenticity of the above quote?
Do you have any inkling of insight into the specific nature of the aforementioned "discretion"?
Who is "our" referring to in the statement about "our plan for the world"?
Does the discussion of recorded statements only bother you when the subsequent discussion of the subject matter contained in the quote is lacking the appropriate level of discretion?
"I used to be a professional journalist, and therefore I take seriously the distinction between reliable information and unreliable information." Mills
WHAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWROFLMAO!!!
I just spit yogurt granola and chopped mango all over monitor and keyboard.
That's a good one David.
Where in the fuck was "journalistic integrity" when the NY Times and Washington Post lied the nation into a war chasing WMD's that didn't exist?
5,000 dead Americans later
1,000,000 dead Iraqis later
$4 Trillion Tax-payer later
0 WMD's.
Where is the "journalistic integrity" regarding the absurd False Flag operation that paraded 4 dimwit Negros from the Bronx in front of International TV cameras as Jew Hating Domestic Terrorists?
Yes. There are multiple sources of information on the web.
My challenge to Brother David is his slavish impulse to grant to the Plantation "Arbiter of Truth" status.
For example dozens of sources say David Ben Gurion was a viscous terrorist. Plantation sources depict him as a benevolent Father of Modern Israel.
The evidence of millions of displaced and dead Arabs speak for themselves - and lends credence to the first notion.
The ridiculous specter of red-haired European Jews from Poland claiming the entire Holy Land as their exclusive domain because their God gave it to them ... speaks for itself - and lends credence to the first notion.
David doesn't believe what he sees. He believes what he is told.
Gray Conservative A Beast
For example dozens of sources say David Ben Gurion was a viscous terrorist.
But why use a fabricated quote to try and establish that? That only reduces your credibility, doesn't it?
Mockery and trivialization are the main methods whereby you go about discrediting the subject of the entry.
And DV's use of the term "Plantation Negros" isn't a technique to mock, trivialize and discredit anyone with a different point of view?
I play the game by DV's rules.
Fabricated quote?
What makes you think that it was fabricated David?
1) I got it from a plantation source:
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/david_ben-gurion/
2) It appears on the net in 33,200 other places.
3) The statement is the observable truth.
And DV's use of the term "Plantation Negros" isn't a technique to mock, trivialize and discredit anyone with a different point of view?" Brother Mills
No.
No attempt to mock for the sake of mocking.
It is an attempt to describe the peculiar state of people invested in a system not in their interest. Imagine a 'Zionist Mulim'.
No. I don't see the term "Plantation Negro" as anymore of a tool of trivialization than the term "Moderate Muslim" or "Conspiracy Theorist" is an attempt to trivialize.
Once again, Brother Mills objects to anyone coining a phrase or proffering a definition without establishment / plantation sanction.
Actually I suspect Brother Mills objects to black men creating terms and offering explanations of observable phenomenon.
I suspect (at risk of being automatically called an anti-Semite) Brother Mills on a certain level of consciousness resents my liberties with labels and perceptions because he believes the framing of perspective and the brokering of interpretations of reality is to remain a domain exclusive to Jews.
Gray, if I blogged under the pseudonym Adam Katz, Mills would be EXPONENTIALLY more gracious and open-minded.
UBM said: And DV's use of the term "Plantation Negros" isn't a technique to mock, trivialize and discredit anyone with a different point of view?
I play the game by DV's rules.I would think that if it was your opinion that DV's use of certain terms and phrases amounted to a mockery and trivialization of those with opposing viewpoints that you would proceed to take the high road and opt for a more superior method of argumentation using your skills as a former professional journalist to argue your points. But that isn't what you do.
Further, the language contained within each of your respective blogs is entirely determined by the authors. DV uses language like "Plantation Negroes" while you sometimes titles your entires "_____ is nutty as fuck." There's no difference.
And there's still that question I had 6 posts up.
2) It appears on the net in 33,200 other places.
Do this, DV: Google the phrase "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation" plus the name "Koenig."
That appears on the net in 1,470 places.
If you were half as skepitcal about the information you encounter on antisemitic websites as your are about "the official story"... you'd do yourself a favor.
"If you were half as skepitcal about the information you encounter on antisemitic websites as your are about "the official story"... you'd do yourself a favor." Mills
ThinkExist.Com is anti-Semitic?
Since when?
Why?
How does a site of quotes earn the title anti-Semitic?
Isn't that like calling Dictionary.com racist?
David ... (and this is telling)
What on Earth makes you suspect David Ben Gurion did not author that quote?
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978
Let me guess David. The Jewish Israeli writer Michael Ben-Zohar is anti-Semitic too?
^ Again, DV... do this: Google the phrase "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation" plus the name "Koenig."
Are you going to make me buy that Ben-Gurion biography just to prove to you that that quote isn't in there?
You cannot tell good information from bad. You are absolutely useless as an interpreter of information, DV.
What on Earth makes you suspect David Ben Gurion did not author that quote?
Because I googled the quote and proceeded to do research on it, DV.
If only you had the skills and temperament to do likewise.
And there's still that question I had 6 posts up.
You mean the David Rockefeller quote? Smells like horseshit.
For one thing, the link you provided says Rockefeller said this to the Trilateral Commission. Other websites claim he said it in an address to the Bilderberg Group.
Given that the meetings of the TC and the Bilderbergers are "off the record," I'd need to know how this quote became public, and whether the source of it was reliable.
And given that the only people spreading this meme on the internets are NWO conspiracy freaks, I think the entire quote is dubious. Extremely dubious.
Gray, it breaks my heart to encounter educated Negroes who believe everything they read on the Web... and who lack the capacity to tell good information from bad.
I say again: The internets are full of rank horseshit, misinformation, disinformation, dubious conjecture, malicious lies, etc.
Have I answered your question to your satisfaction?
In which Gray the Baptist scurrs the bejeezus out of a conniving Sadduccee...,
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Goodness gracious, Craig. How much of my cum can you drink before your belly gets full?
The line forms to the right. Wait your turn.
Commentary:
The utterance
We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
is often attributed thus:
David Ben-Gurion speaking to the Haganah General Staff in May 1948. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. However, it has also been attributed thus:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum" The quotation does not appears in the 2003 edition of the Ben-Zohar biography of Ben Gurion
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population. " Ben Gurion Quote
True or False???????
Blackest Man On The Planet Approach.
Did Ben Gurion and his Zionist followers
1) use terror? check
2) assassinate? check
3) intimidate? check
4) confiscate land? check
5) rid Galiee of its Arab population? check
Quote is probably true.
____
Plantation Negro Approach:
1) Are Joooz going to like this quote? No
Quote is probably not true.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair
UBM said
For one thing, the link you provided says Rockefeller said this to the Trilateral Commission. Other websites claim he said it in an address to the Bilderberg Group.
Given that the meetings of the TC and the Bilderbergers are "off the record," I'd need to know how this quote became public, and whether the source of it was reliable.Now this is curious. 'Cause I'm wondering if you apply the same level of scrutiny to anonymous sources quoted in major newspapers like the Washington Post or New York Times. Do you assume that quotations from grand jury proceedings are "dubious" because those proceedings are "off the record" and the source is rarely revealed for fear of prosecution?
I wonder what side you were on when all the quotations came out regarding Barry Bonds?
Nah, you probably accepted that those quotes were accurate because they came from news sources you deemed reliable. News organizations that employed reporters like Judith Miller and Jayson Blair.
News organizations that regularly suppressed news about black Americans before the Civil Rights era in order to protect that "national interest."
News organizations that regularly misrepresented and misreported what was going on during the Civil Rights movements. News organizations that print corrections and clarifications every day of the week because they get stuff wrong.
I'm not knocking news organizations, nor am I justifying DV's sources. What I'm saying is that people decide which news sources are legitimate based on their personal biases, not on the credibility of the information.
To pretend otherwise is asinine.
or intentionally dishonest...,
Seriously.
Aside from functioning as a poster-child for incompetent mimetic cover, what exactly does this sadduccee offer in the way of a tangible value proposition?
Heretofore, I've really only engaged around the prima facie material he eagerly furnishes. (A nullity is, after all, highly likely to hang itself with just a little rope)
However, given the extent of this one's madness, one begins to wonder to what degree the early patronage by the "Rev". Sun Myung Moon was determinative of both his character and his demonstrated modus operandi.
CNu, why you call the brother a Sadduccee?
He strikes me as a good cat thoroughly invested in an old paradigm, reluctant to see his world-view demonstrated to be anachronistic and of little value.
That's exactly what the Sadduccee's professed to be, as well DV. But they weren't.
Aside from their active and malevolent opposition to the Nazarean.
Aside from the fact that they'd been structurally supplanted by the scholastic Pharisees.
The old order that they represented was dead, yet they futilely clung to it long past its expiration.
The Sadduccees ceased to exist for all practical purposes after the destruction of the temple.
Their intentions as recounted in the gospels were NEVER good and their ultimate extinction was very richly deserved.
To pretend otherwise is asinine.
You right, Big Man. Alex Jones... Washington Post... what's the difference?
Like I told Nulan... the line forms to the right.
^UBM, as a former WaPo employee, are you familiar with an October 30, 1993 article by one Richard Harwood titled, Ruling Class Journalists?
^ Nope.
UBM...
"How much of my cum can you drink before your belly gets full?...
the line forms to the right".
I'm confused. Is that fake UBM or real UBM talking?
^ I think it was David Ben-Gurion.
Mills...
"I think it was David Ben-Gurion.".
Ben Gurion was into making homosexual references in order to insult people?
"I wonder what side you were on when all the quotations came out regarding Barry Bonds?
Nah, you probably accepted that those quotes were accurate because they came from news sources you deemed reliable. News organizations that employed reporters like Judith Miller and Jayson Blair." Big Man
'and we approach the tender truth'.
Big Man, that's the dimension the DV experience David fails to navigate.
He sees it. He senses it. Yet he is incapable of mastering it. So he pretends it is not there.
David pays homage to "The Washington Post" as if it has ONE IOTA more credibility than does Alex Jones OR KPFW or Mumia Abu Jamal.
Why?
"why it's .. it's ... it's the Washington Post! For Heaven's Sake! Is is is is is nothing ... sacred!?"
Come On David. You know the Wash Post and NY Times and others completely lied about Iraq and the run up to the war. Remember that David? They rubber-stamped the fairytale of WMD's even after numerous intelligence sources discredited it.
They barely covered the anti-War movement.
They funneled the government conspiracy theory about 911 to the American people without any vetting what-so-ever.
David, why do you pretend to walk the "Journalistic Highroad" when everything you believe and endorse is breathtakingly false?
Mr "Lil Wayne" Vessey - could you define what a "Plantation Negro" is in your world?
^it's like 5 entries down.
My bad.
I usually scroll down and read DV's articles and then I check out the ladies on the side frame.
As long as DV doesn't get rid of Beverly Johnson I don't care what he says to prop up Lil Wayne. He'll be cool in my book.
Notice how the Sadduccee assiduously avoids direct confrontation with Gray?
Notice how, despite the fact that Big Man cleaves to the high road, the Sadduccee responds to him straight from the bowels of $2.00 ho-ville?
The ONLY kneegrow I've ever witnessed behave like the Sadduccee, was a slave catcher from Chicago, 2nd generation Lyndon LaRouche cultist.
I had a couple reasonably close friends from Harvard as an undergraduate who shared my own hobby enthusiasm for cult-busting. These two cats went to a Unification Church weekend retreat in upstate NY and wound up dead at the bottom of an elevator shaft.
Even back then, I had a "heavy metal - don't leave home without it" policy - and I like to think that what happened to them couldn't have happened to me.
Be that as it may, I suspect that ALL these hardcore right-wing fringe cult organizations employ kneegrow slave-catchers....,
jes sayin....,
I want to apologize to Craig Nulan for any personal insults I've directed at him. There's no excuse for that type of behavior.
Craig, I was just re-reading the "braunschweiger" post on my blog, and it reminded me of how much we have in common, in terms of our personal narratives.
Remember when you were a fan of mine, Craig? You used to comment on my blog... and featured UBM on your blogroll. I miss those days.
Mills...
"I want to apologize to Craig Nulan".
That's a step forward. Now what about Big Man? Or you still want him to wait in line to drink your cum?
^ Eh. Either way, Mike.
Which reminds me. Big Man's indictment of mainstream news sources included this: "News organizations that print corrections and clarifications every day of the week because they get stuff wrong."
Here's the thing, Big Man. Newspapers print corrections and clarifications because they are scrupulous about accuracy. When's the last time Alex Jones published a correction?
The evolving standard of professionalism in American journalism is such that, for at least the past 40 years, serious-minded newspapers have been a check on government power and corporate malfeasance.
That's not to say there aren't also class biases, daily errors, corporate self-interest, and the occasional sociopath who just makes up shit. The news business, like every other human endeavor, will never be close to perfect.
But professional journalism at least takes seriously the ideal of reliability, accuracy and (evidently to a shrinking degree) objectivity.
Intelligent readers should question what they read in the Washington Post. But they damn sure better be just as punctilious when consume "alternative" information sources.
What profiteth a man to disbelieve every word in the Washington Post... yet believe every word from Alex Jones?
What profiteth a man to have the last word but lose his immortal soul?
David, there are endless excuses for that type of behavior.
The behavior is seldom profitable but the excuses NEVER ARE.
Subjectively speaking, the excuses are paid for with your finite allotment of "daily bread" panem nostrem supersubstantialem.
Last night, between the 9:55pm chin/towel comment that you removed, and the 10:45pm olive branch that you extended - you caught yourself squandering your own finite allotment of daily bread.
Congratulations.
Seriously.
Some months ago, you decided to "teach me a lesson". Do you understand now that I use this medium to teach myself sundry lessons many times a day, every single day, and that I've been doing it for many more years than there has been a world wide web?
These little "thought exteriorization" wheels aren't stages. THEY'RE MIRRORS!!!
DJ Kool Herc on the wheels of text....., rotflmbao.
Used correctly, they can help you remember yourself.
Used incorrectly, they WILL cost you that precious store of "daily bread". Objectively speaking, the wheels of text can be made to function as lunar feeding tubes.
Moon's gotta eat too you know.....,
Sophia develops out of syneidesis (conscience) as the guide from thaumazein (shock, astonishment, amazement (a-maze-ment), wonder) into theoria (meditative contemplation). Theoria has two aspects, enstasis (concentrative focus-samadhi practice in the Hindu/ Buddhist East) and diakrisis (analytic insight meditation -- prajna practice in the Hindu/Buddhist tradition). Theoria is alchemically sublimated thaumazein; it is illumined thaumazein or sublimated thaumazein. Through some repeated exercise or ritual or practice, thaumazein becomes theoria. Such a repeated exercise and/or practice is thaumaturgy (literally, in the Greek, thauma + ergon-wonder + work, translated into Latin as the magnum opus).
The guide in such an initiatory process was a thaumaturgos.
The world to-day is full of evil mainly caused by men who have killed conscience...,
^ That's exactly what I meant to say, Craig.
I restored your link David.
Try being a little less high-handed toward my people and a little more sharply critical of them other folks. Not because we both like liverwurst, but because even for political purposes that race and genetics shyte is sooooo played out. It's the equivalent of a bloody handed temple priest trying to explain the importance and utility of animal sacrifice while real magicians wander the land performing miracles and fundamentally altering the nature of the game.
wrt the bleeding edge of what's doable TODAY, right now, immediately - Phillip K. Dick as envisioned by Ridley Scott was prophetic like a muhphuggah....,
^ I'm more or less retired from blogging, but restoring my link was a very generous gesture, Craig. I appreciate it, and I have done the same.
I'll endeavor to be less of a smart-mouth asshole. We'll see how that goes.
[quote]Be that as it may, I suspect that ALL these hardcore right-wing fringe cult organizations employ kneegrow slave-catchers...., [/quote]
"Negro Slave Catchers"?
I assume that you are saying that they find a Black who is in agreement with their ideology and then put them forth as a spokesperson.
Let me ask you though, KCnulan - "HAVE THEY BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR RECRUITMENT?"
I'd say they have FAILED miserably.
Now let us consider the means by which the LEFT WING (which you favor) ensnare their "Negroes". They can't be called "Slave Catchers" because the Negro goes VOLUNTARILY.
Instead they promise proceeds with the promises of making the Negro healed by being "IN RECEIPT OF" such benefit.
As long as "the Negro" caers more about feeling complete per his state of receipt and never factors in the need for him to be THE SERVICE PROVIDER of said services....he'll never step back and note how much he has been pawned.
As I step back and name note of the TRANSACTION - where both sides are exchanging something of VALUE....the only thing that I can think of, KCnulan is that the Negro's VOTE is being exchanged for societal gratis.
Thus instead of being placed on a trajectory in which his community is being STRENGTHENED as process refinement is being made over time and thus purging that which has failed.....we instead see that the community is being increasingly made a FUNCTION of the system which provides these resources.
If this system collapses the EXPECTATIONS of these benefits will remain but the Negro's ABILITY TO SATISFY HIS OWN NEEDS will be more anemic than ever.
Why do you focus on the "Slave Catchers" more than the "Concert Promoters" that are SUCCESSFULLY PACKING THEM IN, KCnulan?
And you accuse ME of being bound to my ideology. If we evaluate the proportions of effective influence upon the masses - this simply does not stand.
I'll endeavor to be less of a smart-mouth asshole. We'll see how that goes.
Don't do that. Just don't put on what seems like an ill-fitting ideological or philosophical suit that prevents you from collaborating with (or worse still, puts you needlessly at odds with) other smart, well-intended Black folks.
What did you say last night?
it reminded me of how much we have in common, in terms of our personal narratives.Is Black partisanship REALLY so alien when viewed in the light of how much American Black folks have in common?
Liberal egalitarianism, or something completely different?
Even though he doesn't make extensive use of them, is Bro. Jim Gates at home shooting the shit at the barbershop? The gurdjieffian mathematician Scott Williams, DV, our Black preznit?
My politics and political allegiances are so local and simple David, that I could probably sum them up thus, "would I trust my children to be in the care of these people, and would they trust me to care for theirs?"
Everything else is merely conversation, or moon-feeding in the case of those folks who get more twisted than Sir Nose in their political suits.
Take your boy Ronald A. Barr, aka Constructive Feedback/Cultural Strategist/boo-boo-the-motherfucking-fool. The political clown suit he put on, (for god only knows what reason) is so tight and ill-fitting that it's completely cut off the blood circulation to his brain.
I wouldn't trust this nutty as fuck clown with one of the spider crickets in my garage....,
Is Black partisanship REALLY so alien when viewed in the light of how much American Black folks have in common?
But Craig... black partisanship used to mean a focus on black people’s behavior and on the responsibilities of citizenship, not just a critique of the white power structure.
W.E.B. Du Bois 105 years ago wrote “Some Notes on Negro Crime, Particularly in Georgia” (downloadable here). This study was under the auspices of Atlanta University (now Clark Atlanta University).
Du Bois enumerated “Faults of the Negroes” as well as “Faults of the whites.” Regarding black folks, he listed the following as “real and important causes of Negro crime”:
1. Abuse of their new freedom and tendency toward idleness and vagrancy.
2. Loose ideas of property, petty pilfering.
3. Unreliability, lying and deception.
4. Exaggerated ideas of personal rights, irritability and suspicion.
5. Sexual looseness, weak family life and poor training of children; lack of respect for parents.
6. Lack of proper self-respect; low or extravagant ideals.
7. Poverty, low wages and lack of accumulated property.
8. Lack of thrift and prevalence of the gambling spirit.
9. Waywardness of the “second generation.”
10. The use of liquor and drugs.
Here are the “Faults of the whites”:
1. The attempt to enforce a double standard of justice in the courts, one for Negroes and one for whites.
2. The election of judges for short terms, making them subservient to waves of public opinion in a white electorate.
3. The shirking of jury duty by the best class of whites, leaving the dealing out of justice to the most ignorant and prejudiced.
4. Laws so drawn as to entangle the ignorant, as in the case of laws for labor contracts, and to leave wide discretion as to punishment in the hands of juries and petty officials.
5. Peonage and debt-slavery as methods of securing cheap and steady labor.
6. The tendency to encourage ignorance and subserviency among Negroes instead of intelligence, ambition and independence.
7. The taking of all rights of political self-defense from the Negro either by direct law, or custom, or by the “white primary” system.
8. The punishment of crime as a means of public and private revenue rather than as a means of preventing the making of criminals.
9. The rendering of the chastity of Negro women difficult of defense in lar or custom against the aggressions of white men.
10. Enforcing a caste system in such a way as to humiliate Negroes and kill their self-respect.
With regard to “the atrocious crime of rape” in particular, Du Bois wrote: “Negroes must recognize their responsibility for their own worst classes and never let resentment against slander allow them even to seem to palliate an awful deed. This crime must at all hazards stop. Lynching is awful, and injustice and caste are hard to bear; but if they are to be successfully attacked they must cease to have even this terrible justification.”
Somewhere along the line, it became politically illegitimate to focus at all on black responsibility. I blame the Left.
But Craig... black partisanship used to mean a focus on black people’s behavior
Nothing's changed.
That said, "citizenship" and the "white power structure" are tertiary externalities.
As soon as your level of personal effort rises to something remotely approaching your expressed rhetorical concerns, I'll be more than delighted to engage with you on this subject. At that point, we'll have something objectively real to talk about.
Until then, it's just so much adversarial anti-Black propaganda to me....,
[quote]The political clown suit he put on, (for god only knows what reason) is so tight and ill-fitting that it's completely cut off the blood circulation to his brain.
I wouldn't trust this nutty as fuck clown with one of the spider crickets in my garage....,[/quote]
Now, Now Mr Nulan. Is all of this necessary?
You don't need to VIEW ME AS THE "Spider Cricket In Your Garage".
FROM the schemes that came out of your BASEMENT is a network of Black communities throughout the nation with a POLITICAL MACHINE that is favorable to you running ALL OF THE seats in the KEY INSTITUTIONS FROM WHICH WE RECEIVE:
* Education
* Enforcement of Safe Streets
* Spiritual Guidance
* Guidance (or lack there of) To Fathers who FAIL to be a progressive force for their kids.FROM THIS your work in attempting to reorient Crips is piling up.
When, Mr Nulan - will you translate your world renowned BOOK KNOWLEDGE into a SYSTEM that assumes the EQUAL INTELLIGENCE and RESPONSIBILITY of those at the periphery so that you are not required to use you superior mind to lift more than your fair share?
Ironically, KCnulan - where as you are able to articulate UPWARD the OBLIGATION that those who have profited from American CAPITALISM owes the next man.....>When it comes to developing a coherent strategy for you to apply to the individual BLACK PEOPLE who are "victimized" by the present orientation of American capitalism to EXPRESS THEIR INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION to the cause of PROGRESSION FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.........you struggle to craft a pathway forward for them BECAUSE
* Noah Chomsky
* Naomi Wolfe
* Greg Palast
* Cornell West
* Michael Eric Dyson
* The International Association of Anarcho-Capitalists
have published a joint body of work to GIVE YOU GUIDANCE for tapping this resource.
What do you really believe, KCnulan?
I have no doubt that you are "working hard".
I intend to find out "WHO you are WORKING FOR".
[quote]But Craig... black partisanship used to mean a focus on black people’s behavior and on the responsibilities of citizenship, not just a critique of the white power structure.[/quote]
Undercover Black Man:
I can't claim to have read enough of your posts to know where you are coming from. BUT since KCnulan has his ego-backed AK47 trained upon you - you must be saying something of substance that is an anathema of that which he has crafted in his basement research laboratory.
It is my opinion that the demand that Black people UNIFY around a common agenda is, in truth, the sign of an IMMATURE Black framework for community progression.
As a self-proclaimed observer, analyst and critic of "The Black Establishment"....I realize that, FROM WHERE I STAND.....my agreement to BE QUIET and UNIFY with the machine that is allowing people who ultimately protect the most veracious killers of BLACK PEOPLE TO-DAMNED-DAY as a 'DEAL WITH THE DEVIL' that I simply can't be a party of!!!
Ironically, my biggest frustration comes when I attempt to get the very Black people who SWEAR they are operating to advance the "Black Best Interests" to indeed FOCUS WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY....they are far more inclined to focus on EXTERNAL REPUBLICANS and CONSERVATIVES who have moved away and allowed them to run the very houses, schools, city halls and factories that they have long STRUGGLED FOR ADMISSION INTO.
The one thing that I do credit about W.E.B. DuBois is that, as a teacher at Atlanta University - he held UP the academic standards AND classroom order.
If you were late to his class - YOU DIDN'T GET IN.
Imagine this ethos mapped against today's "Black Inferiorists" who see a Black student that has failed a standardized test and they go after the TEST, absent any evidence of race based imbalance to the test.
Undercover Brother - the REASON why the "White Power Structure" is their frequent target (I call this same phenomenon "Keeping Conservatives On Trial") is BECAUSE they are in possession of a flawed set of ideas that lack the basic element of ORGANICISM that they are forced to fear the one thing that is necessary for their MENTAL reparation - BEING AWAY FROM THEIR ARCHENEMY and required to field a set of policies that would allow them to stand on their own.
David,
Ronald,
Ronald,
David,
Sit a spell and talk among yourselves.
I'm done here.
When, and if, either of you have something tangible, local, and personal to discuss with me, i.e., what YOU're doing and how I might be of assistance - you know exactly where to find me.
UBM
You took my message too far.
I don't "trust" the people DV trusts.
Nor do I "trust" journalists.
Man, I know exactly how news decisions are mad. I know how journalists think and how they decided what does and does not get into articles.
I know how dependent journalists are on "sources." I know how they protect those sources, how they use certain sources to insure that certain viewpoints get into the paper.
Do journalists have standards, sure. But police officers have standards too, and Lord knows they fail to live up to those standards all the freaking time.
My point was that you seem to have a tendency to ridicule information sources that fall outside of the mainstream simply because they are outside of the mainstream. That's your default position, unless of course those news sources are saying something you agree with.
I find that problematic, particularly since you worked for newspapers. You know that the people who workd for newspapers are doing a job. Many of them try hard at their jobs, but they are still human and have the same failings as all humans. My position is that I filter all information through my own common sense filter, and then decided what I want to believe.
I don't automatically assume anybody is being honest because I can see clearly that everybody lies sometimes.
Remember Gary Webb's story about drug trafficking and the CIA? When it came out, it was hailed by many folks, but then it was "debunked" at a later date.
Now I've read that series several times, and while I can understand that there might be some errors, it's also very plausible.
Newspapers are attempting to chronicle and explain history as it happens, and the people they are using for that job are typically only trained in basic information gathering. It stands to reason that there are going to be serious errors, and that needs to be acknowledged and taken into consideration when viewing information.
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