When George W. Bush was last in Iraq, he was shoe attacked by an Iraqi reporter who seemed to embody the collective loathing of not only Arabs and Muslims but thinking compassionate people all over the world.When President Bush and Dick Cheney made their only appearance before the American people in a non-controlled environment, they were bitterly booed by nearly a million American people on hand, and possibly a billion people around the world booed at home. The corporate Media largely ignored the significance of this moment. CNN reduced the sound level of the booing, cut away and the anchors quickly dismissed such organic political expression as "inappropriate". Since then the Talking Heads Agents of Conformity have saturated the media serving as the proxy frown of the NWO. The message is clear: Think what you want, but the price of expression is ostracization.
Why does Fox go out of its way to broadcast a A CELL PHONE VIDEO of Young Jeezy and Jay-Z expressing disdain for men history will remember as war criminals? They are attempting to bookend the discourse by associating expressions of political will with a fringe element within the Group Identity Body politic - Aggressive Irreverent Threatening Empowered Black Men (Hip Hop).
"Jay-Z Should Know Better ..."
- O'Reilly
66 comments:
01 27 09
O Reilley seems to have a habit of railing on rappers. E.G. young black males with attitude. I love the way they launch into all the pathology of Black America. Intersting how folks never do that with white america. Oh well.
Mahndisa:
Bill O'Reilly is doing what BLACK AMERICA SHOULD BE doing. I applaud him for attempting to draw a line in the sand.
I don't understand why you seek to set up a CONDITION - "Don't talk about Black Hip Hop UNLESS you also do a quota of attacks on WHITE FOLKS who are out of control".
Sorry I am not buying it.
The fact is that as a community these rappers contribute little with regard to WHERE WE NEED TO GO as a people. We are gaining more control of the areas that we are most concentrated in. These Drug Thug Rappers represent a voice of rebellion against AUTHORITY. When WE are the AUTHORITY and thus need to exert a measure of control over our communities in order to afford safety, education and prosperity THEIR message is counter to this.
We need a "police function" in our community even if there are problems with the police. At the same time these thugs put forth an image of the police being the bad guys while they often show the drug dealer as the "street hero".
At what point do we promote what we NEED to develop and advance rather than urban populism?
O'Reilly is claiming these comments are out of line. How does an administration with an overall approval rating in the 20's find shock and awe in anything that was said in the clip?
Did Hip Hop erect the blow up doll of Bush found near the mall for the sole purpose of reenacting the shoe incident? I think not.
Incompetence, corruption, lies and illegal conduct have consequences. Blind allegiance isn't one of them.
Ditto Constructive,
Black children are at the bottom in all areas of education from math and science to reading comprehension. How exactly will uneducated rappers help them get ahead?
The notion of "getting ahead" in a failed financial/military/political/cultural complex is oxymoronic.
Perhaps the goal should be "getting around", "getting by", or even "getting out"?
jezzy and jay z should have know better - wonder if the really voted
01 28 09
CF: What you have said makes no sense. Fool.
CF-- Aside from the cursing, which was just shock tactics meant to upset O'Reilly's majority white audience, whose "pristine" ears aren't accustomed to such things, what part of what they said, exactly, was wrong?
[quote]CF: What you have said makes no sense. Fool.[/quote]
Please detail for me Mahndisa. (Once again you have vacillated from being a sweetheart to the state of hormone imbalance. But you know I still love your girl - in an "agape" sort of way)
Doc
[quote]which was just shock tactics meant to upset O'Reilly's majority white audience[/quote]
So you mean to tell me that despite being in a club full of BLACK FOLKS...that drug dealer Young Jeezy and former record company executive Jay Z were really gaming for the camera with WHITE FOLKS in mind?
Doc please imagine the following scenarios and then the SAME CROWD (and your) response to it.
1) Obama agrees to speak at the National Rifle Association convention. A good ole boy pulls out a hockey puck and throws it at Obama. Do you think that we will hear CHEERS from the same group of people cheering the Iraqi guy about Bush? Now if some WHITE FOLKS were caught celebrating this same incident do you believe that they could escape without being called RACISTS?
You see where as some White folks are labeled "Racial Bigots" the appropriate label for Blacks with the same SPIRIT is "IDEOLOGICAL BIGOTS".
2) Barack Obama loses to a WHITE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN in 2012. At a country music concern some WHITE COUNTRY SINGER says "I hope a line of rappers come with their Chevy's riding on 20's and moves all of the Obama's sh__ out of the White House so that the WHITE occupant can come back home".
DO YOU THINK that this artist:
1) Would sustain a series of protests from YOU, the ACLU and the NAACP?
2) Do you think that this artist would be advertising for HP or Apple computer?
It is my belief that some Blacks suffer from NON-WHITE WHITE SUPREMACY and thus they are NOT going to hold BLACK PEOPLE to the same RACIAL LIMITS that they would hold the racialist comments said by WHITE FOLKS because their words are MORE POWERFUL....in their minds.
With Jay-Z - a portion of a "power couple" being worth more than $400 million AND a record executive with the power to GREEN LIGHT projects for his firm - prior to his departure.....it is my opinion that despite his FORTUNE AND POWER......most Black people would view the WORDS AND ACTIONS of some toothless old White man who wears white t-shirts and tube socks and who lives in the mountains of Missouri as have more POWER and INFLUENCE over their own RACIAL SELF CONSCIOUSNESS and DIGNITY than does anything that Jay Z and Young Jeezy could ever say to them - especially if HE called them a "N_gger" just as Jay Z and Young Jeezy calls them the same.
The problem with hip-hop "culture" is that it's just entertainment and will do nothing to improve anyone's lives in a concrete fashion. Like "real" culture can.
It doesn't produce anything of tangible use.
It won't improve your health. In fact, it generally advocates practices that are extremely hazardous to your health.
And unless you're a rapper, it's only going to drain your time and wealth.
It's the perfect vector for spreading r-gaming memes. Which lead to poverty and broken homes for most.
It's similar to lottery winners passively promoting lottery-playing to the masses. When there can never be more than a few winners by the odds in that game.
As such, it is a self-destructive culture of death when taken too seriously. Fine for entertainment purposes, but if it substitutes for a real culture & lifestyle...then you got a problem.
When you're unemployed, ass-broke and in bad health - hip-hop "culture" ain't gonna do a damn thing to help any of those real life, day-to-day problems. That's what you need REAL culture for.
If these clowns have so much ideological muscle,
"Hillary hated on you, so that bitch is irrelevant"-- Luda
then why is the "irrelevant bitch" the Secretary of State?
"The problem with hip-hop "culture" is that it's just entertainment and will do nothing to improve anyone's lives in a concrete fashion." Byrd
Name something that will improve your life in a concrete fashion.
"Like "real" culture can." Byrd
LOL
"It doesn't produce anything of tangible use." Bryd
LOL. Hip Hop memes paved the path for Obama's presidency.
"It won't improve your health. In fact, it generally advocates practices that are extremely hazardous to your health." Byrd
Ridiculous. Hip Hop no more advocates anything than does Classical music.
"And unless you're a rapper, it's only going to drain your time and wealth.
Uncharacteristically short-sighted and unimaginative of you Byrd. I'm disappointed. You starting to sound like a marginalized post-civil rights refugee blaming Hip Hop for the demise of their Ayn Rand Negro utopian nostalgia.
Hip Hop is the poetry of America. It has as much power to shape the culture of this nation as a baker has to shape bread.
Fuck those faggots over at the New Yorker writing weak intellectualized navel gazing odes nobody ever hears or feels.
My President's Black
My Lambo's blue
I'll be gotdamn
if my rims aint too.
YOu know what's interesting?
You often talk about the NWO and the Illuminati, and a friend of actually thinks Jigga is a pawn of them and Obama is on his way to being one. I found that interesting, considering how much you seem to like Jigga.
Just a random thought that came to my mind this weekend.
Also, the idea that black people should take it upon themselves to police the free speech of other black people just because that free speech irritates white people is ludicrous.
First and foremost, black people were the original critics of rap music. Just like we were the original critics of the jazz and the blues.
And just like with jazz and the blues, it's the buying power of white people that has allowed hip hop to leap into the national consciousness and be beamed across public airwaves to millions of people. Black people don't control those airwaves. We don't decide who gets picked for hte marketing campaigns of major companies. White people make those decisions and then other white rail against the black people that more powerful white people are using.
And then some black person comes along and says "We need to fix ourselves before we complain about other people."
I reject that as utter stupidity. No other race of individuals places indvidual chains on themselves like black folks. We have to make ourselves "worthy" to criticize other folks? Get the fuck out a here.
When white folks were enslaving our ancestors and raping them, did they have to make themselves worthy to criticize those "Negro savages?" Nah, white folks don't think they have to make themselves worthy of anything. The fact of their existence makes them worthy, and I'm operating by the same damn rules.
*Leaves the conversation bumping "My president is black, and he's half white..."
"No More War"
Hey J, does this apply to BHO and his plans for Afghan land?
01 28 09
"Mahndisa:
Bill O'Reilly is doing what BLACK AMERICA SHOULD BE doing. I applaud him for attempting to draw a line in the sand.
I don't understand why you seek to set up a CONDITION - "Don't talk about Black Hip Hop UNLESS you also do a quota of attacks on WHITE FOLKS who are out of control".
Sorry I am not buying it.
"
Okay CF:
Since you brought up some reasonable points I will engage you. I called you a fool because you get on my nerves with your long rambles, but every now and then there is something worthy of responding to.
I honestly feel that Bill O'Reilley is the conscience for angry white Americans and self effacing Blacks. He says what many of them feel and while I think he can be mildly entertaining, some people take him seriously. He is a hate filled bigot. Now, this isn't from any explicit racial epithets or anything like that; more or less his coded language and vibe. The human soul knows these things on a gut level. OReilley is a hater.
Dennis Miller has turned out to be a mild partisan hack, which saddens me. I don't mind infusing facts into a discussion but his talking points were tired.
All I hear about Black people when I see Bill OReilley is negative imagery about how we are fucking up and NEED to get it together. If that is the case, for the sake of parity, why don't they rail on the problems facing white America?
This is a significant point because if you notice in the news, Blacks have Black on Black crime not just crime. And when they describe a suspect they will always say if he is Black, Mexican or Asian. IF they don't say what the suspect is, then it is assumed they are normal (read white).
Blacks in America have a ton of critics but very few are offering tenable solutions. Its just the same old recycled talking points.
I also get irritated when they defame rap as not really music because they dont like its content. But they don't do that with any other form of music, I've noticed.
My argument isn't that if pathologies about Black America are brought out, then there should be a similar discussion of white Americas faults. More or less, it is that OReilley and Miller have nothing more to add to the discussion. They are just there to lubricate the Extreme Rights consciousness telling them it is okay to be mad at greedy incompetent minorities because they don't even take care of each other.
And this, I refuse to accept.
Lastly, it is interesting how the pathologies of Black folks are always talking points and it is acceptable to go there. But I have not heard anyone frame our current drug problem on white folks who need some education. Where I live in Modesto, tweakers are easily identifiable. 99.9% of them are white. The tweakers steal, vandalize, deal hard drugs and so forth. Yet, this has been framed as a drug problem, not a WHITE drug problem like Crack was to Blacks. Why is that?
[quote]The problem with hip-hop "culture" is that it's just entertainment and will do nothing to improve anyone's lives in a concrete fashion. Like "real" culture can[/quote]
Birdeye:
As I watch these members of the "Permanent Opposition" operate I often wonder:
What would a society where they dominated the government, culture and social mores look like?
1) Would there be an enhanced system of JUSTICE than what we have now? Or would their present "Stop Snitching" support expand into a systematic set of oppression on the powerless?
2) Would there be FREE SPEECH RIGHTS by those who disagree and oppose them? Or would they set out thugs to keep them silent?
3) What would the POLICE FUNCTION in society look like? Would the police be corrupt or would everyone feel net safer? What would they do with people who robbed, raped or executed VIOLENT demonstrations against THEIR GOVERNMENT?
4) What would the EDUCATION SYSTEM look like? How do the same ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE get our young people to SIT DOWN and learn certain disciplines?
They have cut their teeth off of being REVOLUTIONARIES / REBELS. As they gain influence over our communities AND as Black folks gain more control over our living quarters THESE FOOLS AND THE PEOPLE WHO FAIL TO SEE HOW THEY ARE A THREAT TO "ORGANIZED AND DISCIPLINED BLACK PEOPLE" will do more to UNDERCUT our progress as a community than any "conservative" that Cnulan can point to.
O'Reilly was right about one thing. Barak Obama would not approve the statements by Mssrs. Jeezy and Jay. At least not publicly.
And I wish a muhfugga would drop a bomb on the "Dec". That's my hood, and we most certainly don't play that shit.
Big Man:
[quote]
First and foremost, black people were the original critics of rap music.[/quote]
I have a "filter" that I apply to statements such as yours. It helps in proving the WORTH of a "check off list" that some people make heavy use of.
With respect to your claim about Black folks being the first RAP CRITICS......WAS THIS CRITICISM AND REDIRECTION OF THE IGNORANT ELEMENTS OF RAP EFFECTIVE???
I recall when Ed Lover attacked the great Dr.C. Delores Tucker and the Reverend Calvin Butts for their attempts to MAINTAIN A LINE OF DECENCY for the lyrics and the antics in this genre.
[quote]Also, the idea that black people should take it upon themselves to police the free speech of other black people just because that free speech irritates white people is ludicrous.[/quote]
You know Big Man few things bug me more than Black folks who can tell me what WHITE FOLKS STANDARDS ARE....but not THEIR OWN. My STANDARDS are HIGHER than what White folks are of ME.
After many Black folks get entrenched in their position and DEFENDS OFF THE WHITE FOLKS....they are left with WHAT as OUR STANDARD?
I don't do MORALS because it leads to JUDMENTALISM.
I instead focus on FUNCTIONALITY!!!
We at this point in our journey need to have our people OVERCOMPENSATE in the area of DISCIPLINE and DIRECTED ACTIONS because we are not only behind in certain ways but the RUG IS ABOUT TO BE PULLED OUT FROM UNDER ALL OF OUR FEET (White and Black).
What exactly are we doing to POSITION ourselves for success in the NEXT INTERVAL of our global struggle?
[quote]
I honestly feel that Bill O'Reilley is the conscience for angry white Americans and self effacing Blacks. [/quote]
My Dear Mahndisa - put me down as a Black man who is SICK AND TIRED of this B.S. that I am seeing right before my eyes!!!! Not "Self Effacing".
[quote]more or less his coded language and vibe. The human soul knows these things on a gut level. OReilley is a hater.[/quote]
If this is "Hate" or "Bigotry" then COUNT ME IN AS BOTH!!!
I am wise enough to realize that there is OF COURSE a racial element of what he is doing. I only ask if YOU ALL also realize that LIBERAL AZZED Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and Keith Olbermann are RACISTS in the same way when they seek to UNDERCUT ATTEMPTS AT HAVING BLACK FOLKS LIVE UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD!!!!. Where as White Conservatives may fear BLACK POWER...White Liberals ASSUME BLACK INFERIORITY!!!
[quote]All I hear about Black people when I see Bill OReilley is negative imagery about how we are fucking up and NEED to get it together. If that is the case, for the sake of parity, why don't they rail on the problems facing white America?[/quote]
Mahndisa:
Please take a look at this attachment:
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/CityCrime2008_Rank_Rev.pdf
Why are you more worried about the PICTURE OF CRIME that you claim O'Reilly is attempting to PAINT than what the DATA SAYS is the case?
If none of these "White Racist Conservatives" SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME do you figure it would STOP? This is a take off on the claim by Rappers that if they stopped talking about crime and drug dealing that IT WOULD NOT STOP.
You appear to place BLACK FOLKS as a FUNCTION of WHITE FOLKS.
Y=(X * -1)^2
"Y" - Black folks can't find ourselves until "X" the White folk define themselves.
"Lastly, it is interesting how the pathologies of Black folks are always talking points and it is acceptable to go there." MSR
Yup.
The ability to publicly itemize the challenges facing black America is price of entry into much of the racial discourse in this country.
Notice Dennis Miller made it his business to insert the "Role Model" meme. He suggested Obama's presence and example will replace the example set by Hip Hop icons ... and consequently fix what is "wrong" with black people.
Divide and conquer.
Barack is not a counterpoint to Jay-Z. He is an extension.
By The Way
Ever hear anyone use the "Role Model" argument when discussing Gays, white men or Jews?
What kind of "Role Model" was George W. Bush?
What kind of "Role Model" is Douglas Feith?
What kind of "Role Model" is Ponzi Scammer Bernie Madoff for little Jewish boys?
Never hear that kind of shit do you?
Dennis Miller is setting the mematic ground work to divide black men into balkanized competing subgroups.
Establishment Negros = Fatah
Hip Hop Negros = Hamas
"You often talk about the NWO and the Illuminati, and a friend of actually thinks Jigga is a pawn of them and Obama is on his way to being one. I found that interesting, considering how much you seem to like Jigga."
I don't like Jigga.
I acknowledge his artist and mematic greatness. I respect his Chakra.
Jay-Z? Illuminati pawn?
LOL.
In that case, who isn't?
"UNDERCUT ATTEMPTS AT HAVING BLACK FOLKS LIVE UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD!!!!" Constructive Feedback
Good Evening Brother Feedback,
What "STANDARD!!!!", pray tell is that, exactly?
Can you please give me an example of a group of people who do "LIVE UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD!!!!"?
Thank you,
DV
"If none of these "White Racist Conservatives" SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME do you figure it would STOP?"
Good Evening Brother Feedback,
Listen to me. Very carefully:
There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. Black. On. Black. Crime.
There is only crime.
The concept in which you deal is an abstraction, an idea, a meme a point of propaganda infecting your worldview like a cold sore.
"This is a take off on the claim by Rappers that if they stopped talking about crime and drug dealing that IT WOULD NOT STOP."
Good Evening Brother Feedback,
Question.
If TV stopped showing crime and the movies banned violence and sex ... would crime and irresponsible sex stop?
Why are Hollywood writers and directors celebrated for their commercialization of sex and their monetization of violence while rappers are presented as the source of violence and irresponsible sex?
Brother Feedback, do you see the duplicity inherent in that narrative?
Thank you,
DV
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=yduz4z6UZu
http://magicnegrowatch.blogspot.com/
Dumb Azzed Negro - Young Jeezy
[quote]Barack is not a counterpoint to Jay-Z. He is an extension.[/quote]
Brother Man - the only thing that is keeping me in check from blasting you is that I see that picture of "Beverly Johnson" in the main window on your blog as I type.
Jay-Z ain't got SH__ to do with BARACK OBAMA!!
Z is an ENTERTAINER. He yielded his executive position at the record company in that he doesn't want to be a "suit".
A 'suit' like Obama would be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for words said like Jay Z said the other night.
[quote]
Ever hear anyone use the "Role Model" argument when discussing Gays, white men or Jews?
What kind of "Role Model" was George W. Bush?[/quote]
Denmark - do I need to print the LONG, LONG LONG list of Black folks SAYING that Barack Obama is a role model?
* Obama gonna make Black folks EXERCISE
* Obama gonna make Black boys get better grades
* The Obamas gonna make Black folks get married
* One Black woman said on the radio a few months ago "I now intend to have my children focus on getting into an IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL so they can get the contacts just like OBAMA".
WHICH BLACK FOLKS ARE NOT using OBAMA AS A ROLE MODEL MAN?
(Sorry Bev....... I didn't mean to yell while you are standing there like that)
[quote]If TV stopped showing crime and the movies banned violence and sex ... would crime and irresponsible sex stop?
[/quote]
Let me break it down to you DV
There are TWO groups of people.
One group of people make note that they are in an INFERIOR POSITION and are gunning for CHANGE.
The second group of people are the REFERENCE model of the first group.
Group #1 hopes to first EQUALIZE and then OVERTAKE the relative position of group #2. What do you suggest they do from a strategic stand point DV?
If you were in control of the MESSAGING and CULTURE that gets consumed by group #1 as they pursue their trek to PROGRESS?
1) Would these messages be of REBELLION against group #2?.....IF the goal of group #1 was to be ORGANICALLY powerful OR do they need the people to see their OWN internal strength?
2) Would these messages work to effectively undercut the VALUE of "Black Womanhood"? Or do they need to put some order in which has the Black man to place some forbearance in against our natural drive to "Hit it and quit it" and instead have them settle with a mate and build a family; RINSE AND REPEAT?
3) Would these messages have an under current of "F the Police" or would they attempt to get the INDIVIDUAL MALES of group #1 to take OWNERSHIP of their own COMMUNITIES?
It is my OPINION, Denmark that a significant and GROWING portion of that which Black folks attribute to RACISM is in fact the VOID that exists WITHIN our community to PRODUCE OUTCOMES THAT ARE ANY DIFFERENT.
These Hip Hop pricks have little benefit to our people's long term goal. They are ONLY of any particular benefit while we are in the mindset of THE FIGHT AGAINST WHITEY.
"Brother Man - the only thing that is keeping me in check from blasting you ..."
ROFLMAO
Aghhhhhhhhhh ...
man, stop. I just spit green tea all over my monitor.
Me vs You
is like man vs child
You vs Me
is like man vs wild
Let's not even pretend this is debate.
Denmark Vesey is school for you.
Peep my archives. Educate yourself. Step Up your game. Stop writing like a HBC version of Mike Fisher.
And get back to me.
01 28 09
CF:
Why you always ascribe a position to someone then debate it? Stick with the topics presented here.
Never once have I EVER EVER EVER EVER praised Democrats for a damned thing. Oh wait, I did say that Clinton was cool for balancing the budget and that my pockets were fatter when he was President. However, when I first began to blog I was a lot more to the right and Democrats were paternalistic racist assholes in my book. But I didn't let the GOP slide either. They DO use a lot of coded racist language and it is the truth. See my blog post about blaming everything on niggas/ minorities for insight into what I mean. Oh wait, you visited but missed the point I was trying to make.
I think you are dwelling way too much on what you think this blog audience's political ideology may be. But the thing is, all of us have differing views and are left and right on various issues. You often draw up a false dichotomy where indeed none exists.
[quote]Me vs You
is like man vs child
You vs Me
is like man vs wild[/quote]
This AIN'T ABOUT ME!!!
It is interesting that (I believe) that I laid out a BIGGER PICTURE for you to consider in regards to this entire issue.
You - "Mr Man" - chose to ignore any consideration of this in your response and make it all about ME.
My friend Mr. Nulan always challenges me (and everyone else who instead of remains as passive victims decides to question him) to produce SOLUTIONS.
It is my view that before a SOLUTION can be expressed and obtained - certain MINDS must be changed among those who see themselves as SOLUTION PROVIDERS.
I say again - where as most of the people and systems in society that we as Black people covet for our own are based on some order of a DIRECTED OUTCOME and a DISCIPLINED effort toward achieving this.
PLEASE NOTE I did not say an effort that promoted RIGHTS, DIVERSITY, JUSTICE, etc.
Even if the person who discovered the cure for polio was a seething RACIST who spit on every Black person he saw (and I am not saying Salk was) he used his disciplined efforts to advance society's interests.
It is time we as a community enumerate the difference between those who are ADDING VALUE to our cause and should be accepted versus those who only SOUND A MESSAGE that is appealing to us during our time of AGGRIEVEMENT but who ultimately UNDERCUT our interests as one day WE WILL BE "DA MAN" and THEY will STILL be saying "F The Police" as they are consistent HATERS OF AUTHORITY.
My man Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Baptist Church as a big painting in his church (or at least at his old multi-million dollar edifice) that said "TAKING AUTHORITY".
This was asking his parishioners to first inspect the WORTHINESS of that which represents the body of commandment (the word of Christ - in this instance) and then SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO IT so that they might COLLECTIVELY achieve their goal (against - their goal is to win Souls for Christ).
Thus, brother DV, I must first ask you to detail what YOU SEE AS YOUR GOAL and the COLLECTIVE goal and secondly to detail where these Drug Thug Rappers fit into it.
If it were not for their verbal attack of a common enemy of yours (Bush and the Republicans) would their words and actions which work to undercut the AUTHORITY of the society serve your long term interests?
Here is my analysis of Lil Wayne's MRS OFFICER. Most people think that it is a cutting edge song. I see its clear purpose - UNDERCUTTING THE AUTHORITY OF THE POLICE. A Black female's INTEGRITY is COMPROMISED by this hoodrat thug:
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/01/question-is-any-female-officer-who.html
Mahndisa - I beg you for your perspective on this as a female.
Is this not an attempt to show that at the end of the day a female officer is going to submit to this thug's PENIS over her commitment to uphold her sworn duties as an officer?
If this were an ISOLATED INCIDENT it would be no big deal to me. Instead this is their M.O.
What happens when YOU are the authority which must take control of YOUR COMMUNITY and these anarchistic M.F.ers are doing their thing against the community's interests?
CF,
I really don't know where to start.
But take my word for it - the "Drug Thug Rappers" are above your head.
You don't understand them. You don't understand their appeal. You don't understand their poetry. You don't understand why millions respond to them while ignoring the millions of Constructive Feedbacks.
Lil Wayne's "Ms. Officer" is genius on par with William Shakespeare, Keats and James Joyce.
Your 11th grade interpretation is not only square, it is insulting.
My goal? Self Realization.
How do rappers fit into it? Excellent examples of Self-Affirmation.
Seriously CF. You need to stop fussing, and walk in here with an open mind.
You wouldn't bust up in a lecture at Harvard, interrupting the professors, arguing all that ol' school shit. Why you do it here?
DV, I think Ronald's just mad because the skrippers at Magic City give more dap to "thugs" than they do to HBC IT nerds who squander the better part of their lives unintentionally disclosing a major case of misdirected penis envy.
same for your boy Turdy and his r-game schtick...,
yeah. lol. i peeped as much CNu.
another case of envy de le penis.
"dem thugs".
Shit.
I'd take 1 Jay-Z over 1,000 Harold Ford Jr.s'
Denmark:
I don't know you as well as I do my good friend cnulan. Unfortunately your character, integrity and intellectual consistency is having the "poop" that some of these unsavory characters are - smeared upon your being. In fact you are starting to smell as they do.
No less than 3 months ago Young Jeezy was saying "F The Police" now he says "I love my COUNTRY"? PLEASE!!!! At that time if he was asked to give 50% of his earnings to the government via taxation to fund, among other things THE POLICE who he says "harass" him - he would have replaced the word "police" with "you" in the above chant.
You appear to like "permanent revolutionaries" over substance.
And by the way while Shakespeare is a standard reference in most English courses "Drug Thug Kneegrows" are making their way into certain schools as well. Unfortunately rational Black folks are EXITING these same schools.
Is it possible that I am not a new entrant to the subject of the threat to our civility and advancement that "Drug Thug Rap" is?
Snoop Dogg's "Sexual Explosion" put to a children's song in a public school within a poor Black area. Yep - THEY ALL are above my head man. You are just talking about the WRONG HEAD of mine.
See here:
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-experience-at-urban-school-system.html
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/04/snoop-dogg-lyrics-in-song-used-in.html
[quote]DV, I think Ronald's just mad because the skrippers at Magic City give more dap to "thugs" than they do to HBC IT nerds who squander the better part of their lives unintentionally disclosing a major case of misdirected penis envy.[/quote]
Mr Nulan can I set this up for you - thus exposing you for the troll that you are?
When you engage the Cript members in the Kansas City housing project that YOU asked me for SOLUTIONS for......as you teach them Linux are YOU working to model them to be more like ME and the skill sets that I have.......or do you have a picture of Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne posted in the community center as you tell them to go to their Ubuntu Linux machine on an dual core processor with an AM2 socket, running IPv4, on a /24 subnet, connected via 802.11g to a layer 3 box that gateways to a DSL connection running PPPoE that gets authenticated into the carriers' AAA server..... with their only goal to pull up their lyrics from Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne that you do ANALYSIS for the civic WORTH of the THOUGHTS and life experiences that went into the crafting of these lyrics?
Next week you will teach them how to install the audio drivers for Linux and thus they will be able to stream the music into the class room.
I am convinced, Mr Nulan, that as long as these "Thugs In Training" are net DEPENDENTS upon you and your allocation of knowledge to them but do not CHALLENGE YOU.....they are in the most comfortable place in reference to YOUR intentions for them. With Nulan in the SUPERIOR POSITION and the underlings below - the adulation that they have to the UNATTAINABLE knowledge that you have extends the facade that you run upon them.
A person like me that QUESTIONS YOU and has technological experience and breadth as you do is a greater threat to you.
Absent a STRUCTURE by which BOTH OF US can be MEASURED this pissing match and "all about you" debate will continue while "Kansas City burns" (or was that the city of Rome, Missouri?)
"Name something that will improve your life in a concrete fashion."
Grease monkey - so you can fix your own cars
Yoga - which is how Russell Simmons actually maintains sound mind & body
Meditation
Home gardening
Home construction
Alternative health
Hunting & fishing - so you can still put food on the table off the grid
Sewing - to make or fix your own clothes
Metalsmithing
Etc, etc.
Basically, these are all useful trade skills that individuals can directly apply to improve their lives in very tangible and utilitarian ways. Unlike just talk, soundwaves and hot air.
"LOL. Hip Hop memes paved the path for Obama's presidency."
That's not a tangible product or going to help me with a broken transmission...
"Ridiculous. Hip Hop no more advocates anything than does Classical music."
I agree. Music is just a tiny aspect of culture. That's my point. But the difference with hip-hop is that it seems to have been elevated to an entire lifestyle/culture in the Black community. Whereas in other communities, people tend to grow out of their goth or punk phases by early adulthood...
"Hip Hop is the poetry of America. It has as much power to shape the culture of this nation as a baker has to shape bread.
Fuck those faggots over at the New Yorker writing weak intellectualized navel gazing odes nobody ever hears or feels."
Sure, there is truth to that. But, I don't classify poetry as a real culture, either. Again, it's not going to measurably improve your life on the nitty-gritty level.
My point is that hip-hop, and pop music as a whole, are essentially junk food for the soul. A little junk food is fine, but when it substitutes for real meals, then you got a problem...
If shyt really hits the fan, the least self-sufficient people are going to be the ones rounded up and dumped into FEMA camps. At this point, those who lacked real culture will most likely end up here. Baggy jeans and a bag of rap CDs will do nothing for you at this point. Which, judging by the aftermath of Katrina, will include a large number of Blacks.
Then they will wonder why they spent all that time consuming hip-hop culture...with so little personal return.
"No less than 3 months ago Young Jeezy was saying "F The Police" now he says "I love my COUNTRY"? PLEASE!!!!" CF
OK. Let's start here.
Why ... can't ... a man say "F The Police" now say ... "I Love My Country"?
What's inconsistent about that?
Didn't the founding fathers say "F The Police" when the British denied them their God given rights?
If the Police is the Patriot Act. "F The Police".
When the Police sprayed water and released dogs on black people - "F The Police".
Police imprisons 1,000,000 black men in For-Profit prisons? "F The Police"
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " Thomas Jefferson
Expose me?
Why Ronald A. Barr, you madcap...,
when I pulled you out from the blanket of your 56 online aliases and 25-a-day 800 word diatribes, I was liberating you from a life of masturbatory foolishness. You're just too stubborn and stupid to understand the favor I granted you.
When you engage the Cript members in the Kansas City housing project
They don't live in a project fool, they own their own houses.
are YOU working to model them to be more like ME
Honestly, I wouldn't wish any aspect of you on a broke-dick dog....,
A person like me that QUESTIONS YOU and has technological experience and breadth as you do is a greater threat to you.
You been riding my jock for months now son, and the only thing your antics have demonstrated is that is that you're an equal opportunity penis-envying fiend.
Absent a STRUCTURE by which BOTH OF US can be MEASURED this pissing match and "all about you" debate will continue
I don't debate you Ronald.
That warm, salty, asparagus tainted shower you've been standing under since you entered my orbit is how I typically dispense with groupies like you.
"No more War
No more Iraq
No more white Lies
My President Is Black!" - Jay-Z
Lol, Jigga must not have heard about the drones blowin' up Pakistanians?
Or Obama's orders to reinvade Afghanistan?
"No more war," LMFAO!!!! Someone got drunk off the Kool-Aid...
Baggy jeans and a bag of rap CDs will do nothing for you at this point. Which, judging by the aftermath of Katrina, will include a large number of Blacks.
I don't know about you DV, but I'm deeply touched by the sincere expressions of concern and tough-love that emanate from negrophobic nutjobs and silly negros who don't know any better than to emulate negrophobic nutjobs.
Ahhhh man
CNu. You got me over here hyper ventilatin'. ROFLMAO
"Negrophobic Nutjobs"
"No more War
No more Iraq
No more white Lies
My President Is Black!" - Jay-Z
You see Byrd.
You wandering into unfamiliar territory. But since you my favorite white boy, I 'll hip you to a little Africanus - Americanus Skull & Bones -
Some men see things as they are and as why.
Some men say see things as they never were and ask why not.
Some men say what they want. Then make it happen.
Some cats call it game. I call it black. But right now most people call it Barack.
Jay-Z aint describing what is. He is calling for what he wants. Now watch it happen.
Brother Denmark - I have learned to pace myself with these type of debates. My friend Mr. Nulan will no doubt get his shots in. Those who OBJECTIVELY make note of the content of my message (not the word count in a word processor, the misspellings or improper use of grammar at times) and the arguments made by others will appreciate the consistency and ultimate worth of my message. Short, bursts of rantings by Mr. Nulan and others upon my person don't matter. We will all die one day, our interpersonal conflicts and jousting will not be remembered by anyone. Only the SUBSTANTIVE DELIVERIES per the CULTURE that we indoctrinate others with will matter.
With this in mind I am FLOORED by your response bro.
[QUOTE]Why ... can't ... a man say "F The Police" now say ... "I Love My Country"? What's inconsistent about that?[/QUOTE]
The problem is NOT THEIR WORDS.
Their ACTIONS and the VOID in their over all agenda is what is most disturbing. If they did not say the word "nigger" from here on out but retained the essence of their movement - nothing substantive would have changed in them.
[quote]
Didn't the founding fathers say "F The Police" when the British denied them their God given rights?[/quote]
Our Great White founders of the SYSTEM known as America decoupled from the SYSTEM of Britain which was taking their tax money in excess of the WORTH returned in the way of government services.
In DECOUPLING from the Mothership - they were required to put forth a SYSTEM that could ultimately allow them to retain their STANDARD OF LIVING. The "White Man" (known as the king) which formerly provided this to them was effectively displaced.
[quote]
If the Police is the Patriot Act. "F The Police". When the Police sprayed water and released dogs on black people - "F The Police".
Police imprisons 1,000,000 black men in For-Profit prisons? "F The Police" [/quote]
Dude - YOU are going to have to step it up if you want to deal.
As I challenged Mr Nulan previously about his intoxicated plans to make all illegal drugs legal because it would clear out the jails - FAILING to talk about what those who are NOW INCARCERATED and thus have their freedom to roam restricted...FREE TO ROAM THE STREETS - your plan AGAINST THE SYSTEM is ultimately a FAILURE unless you detail what we are going to do with these FOOLS now that they are free.......to remove that plate glass window that stands between them and YOUR SH-T.
The key problem that I have with my friend Cnulan and seeingly you (but I have not gotten the full breadth of your ideology yet) is that while you can fully articulate your "ask" of the SYSTEM - I don't hear much details of what you EXPECT of those "2,000,000" incarcerated folks.
Some day you and Jeezy will KILL off the last "CONSERVATOR" of this system that is oppressing you so. You will then become THE SYSTEM.
You will be forced to provide the very services to the masses that you believe THIS system is failing to provide you because of its bigotry.
I see 0.00000e+10 evidence in these THUGS that they have any damned inkling about how to run a SYSTEM. I know they know how to FIGHT THE POWER.
What of the affairs when THEY ARE the "Power"?
Think human carnage and oppression
"Jay-Z aint describing what is. He is calling for what he wants. Now watch it happen."
You say contender
I say pretender
Time will tell
Although, I think his neocon military Cabinet choices, dead silence on the Gazacide and drones into Pakistan have already told me what he is. Those real-world actions carry a little more weight for me than Jigga's paid propaganda.
"The key problem that I have with my friend Cnulan and seeingly you (but I have not gotten the full breadth of your ideology yet) is that while you can fully articulate your "ask" of the SYSTEM - I don't hear much details of what you EXPECT of those "2,000,000" incarcerated folks.
Some day you and Jeezy will KILL off the last "CONSERVATOR" of this system that is oppressing you so. You will then become THE SYSTEM.
You will be forced to provide the very services to the masses that you believe THIS system is failing to provide you because of its bigotry.
I see 0.00000e+10 evidence in these THUGS that they have any damned inkling about how to run a SYSTEM. I know they know how to FIGHT THE POWER."
GOLD STAR. See Detroit, Liberia and Zimbabwe for what happens after the "evil White oppressor" was kicked out. LMAO!
Oh wait, no food, water or electricity? Let's airdrop some rap CDs & baggy jeans over there! Jigga & hip-hop culture to the rescue!
Funny thing is, Detroit ain't begging for a hip-hop savior. They are actually begging for more White folks to move back in now to regentrify/civilize the place...
Dayyum DV, you just about got a negrophobe e-Harmony moment jumping off in the parlor....,
^ And there's Cnulan again with his usual passive-aggressive, drive-by peanut gallery patrol...I can just see the veins in his forehead pulsing with dopamine with each keystroke now, lol
I bet good money Jay Z couldn't even find Afghanistan on a map.
Byrd, Byrd, Byrd
Come on man.
"Hip Hop. Baggy jeans. CD's" You sound like those Plantation Negros and can't see the forest for the trees.
The Jews got Hollywood. The brothas got Hip Hop.
You white boys got ... you white boys got .... you white boys got Wall St. ... no. Not really. You white boys got hockey.
Whatever, you get the point.
As much as you pound your little peanut Turdy, I'm surprised to hear you haven't gone blind yet....,
"You white boys got ... you white boys got .... you white boys got Wall St. ... no. Not really. You white boys got hockey."
Lol, and what language are we all speaking here? Who developed the AC current running the computer you're on? The internet? The automobile, you now drove to work? Airplanes? The nation you pledge allegiance to?
A fish doesn't notice water because it is so surrounded by it...
If you were to remove every White or non-Black contribution to your life and lifestyle right now, I can ASSURE you it would leave a meteoric crater FAAARRRR larger than what removing hip-hop "culture" would create. You'd effectively be put back to the Stone Age, albeit with a better soundtrack..
A fish doesn't notice water...until it's been pulled out of it.
awww....,
isn't it touching when a negrophobe nutjob begs and pleads to be appreciated and understood?
Turdy, I'd be happy to give you Ronalds phone number
he loves and appreciates you exactly the way you want to be loved and appreciated
"Lol, and what language are we all speaking here?"
OK.
What language are we speaking here Byrd?
English? GTFOH
White people spoke like Jack Benny before before brothas.
Who developed the AC current running the computer you're on?
LOL. That AC current wasn't "developed" by white boys any more than the water is this Arrowhead bottle was "developed" by white boys.
The internet? That's about as "white boy" as is basketball.
Number 1 search term on YouTube in 2008?
"Sex"
Number 2 search term on YouTube in 2008?
"Lil Wayne".
Whose internet is it?
^ C'mon DV. A black duck is still a duck...
Basketball WAS invented by a white dude.
And Youtube =/= internet.
Google's top searches for 2008?
1 sarah palin
2 beijing 2008
3 facebook login
4 tuenti
5 heath ledger
6 obama
7 nasza klasa
8 wer kennt wen
9 euro 2008
10 jonas brothers
So, I guess it's Palin's internet, then?
"White people spoke like Jack Benny before before brothas."
And what did Black people speak like before White dudes?
So, who had a more influential impact on who? If one side moved 99% of the way to the other, and the other budged 1% of the way back?
Turdy - why you spend so much time and energy seeking validation from Black men?
Judging from your expressed preoccupations, there isn't very much of "you" without feedback and affirmation from "us".
"Basketball WAS invented by a white dude." Byrd
Yeah. And then that white dude got dunked on by a brotha.
ergo:
We got basketball too.
cnulan - an interesting man-child:
Talks like a professor
Acts like a 5-yo
And judging from your expressed preoccupation and projection with me, there isn't very much of "you" without feedback and affirmation from "me," is there?
There, I finally replied to your little spitwads. Feel better yet? :D
Fellas providing some old school entertainment!
LMAO!
Anyway..
If the tangible definition of hip hop is defined by the jargon that is spit from the aperture of the multiple minstrels in the game... Then by legal definition hip hop is by majority owned, licensed, managed, etc. by non-african-americans.
David Renzer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Universal Music Publishing Group UMPG the largest publishing company in the world.
Casper, Hip Hop can no more be "owned" than can singing.
Obama is a Hip Hop artist.
Yes He Is.
That's how he got to be president.
chew on that Casp.
Prior to this thread, I would have sworn that my man CNu was an introverted, ultra brainy ivy league professor type with no connection to hip hop culture barely escaping virginity.
Allow me to openly stand corrected. I ain't nevuh hurd CNu get hood on a muthaphucka like that. LMAO!
As to the substance of the conversation, DV and I have debated hip hop's influence on the election, politics, and Barack, himself. My position was that if Barack, himself would not endorse this type of support, then isn't it counterproductive to his model and cause to perpetuate it?!
knowing DV and having sat in the back of the classroom on more than a few lectures, I can't help but understand his perspective of the relationship between hip hop and Obama, a year ago I would have argued, today I will not. I understand the correlation between the two.
However, for those of us who have not been indoctrinated by DV's theories and perspectives, CF makes valid points, and I respect his approach.
CNU you didn't have to do the boy like that. He clearly respects your game and used you as a benchmark of measuring his own consciousness. With that said..."Bitch Niggas?" LMAO!
I think the reality of it is somewhere in between your perspectives.
Means to an end, gentlemen.
cnu murdered dude
"Who developed the AC current running the computer you're on?"
Who indeed, Birdie?
Was that you?
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