Is either of these women black?
Uh Oh! .... Hold On Big J, Let Me Guess .. She Aint A Black Either huh?
Thursday, July 17, 2008
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Is either of these women black?
Uh Oh! .... Hold On Big J, Let Me Guess .. She Aint A Black Either huh?
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This is a white girl right?
Of course not..that's a sista to the fullest!
Jessica Alba
That's Jessica Alba.
No, she aint Black. Not hardly.
According to her she aint Latina either.
Nah..that's not a sista.
Rj might be right, I think that is Jessica Alba.
She fine though.
Jessica is White/Latina..
Her mother has a French-Danish heritage, while her father descends from Mexican-Indian and Spanish lineage.
But no Black in that "sista."
What u all may not know is that ILL "knows" this girl and if you aint' hip you wouldn't know that her real dad is a Black man. She can put her hair in a fro and when she was little she would go up to Black men and ask who her father was... If you want to know how they twist some ish just wikipedia Tiger woods.. they break down his lineage and he's a quarter Black.. uh yeah.. I was dating a "full blooded mexican" chick that looked mixed nappy hair etc.. Lets not forget that mexico has a considerable "black" population.. Jessica knows what's up that's why she married a Black man. Oh wait I guess Cash isn't Black either right RJ?
Cash's daddy is Black. That makes Cash Black.
If it makes you feel better about having "known" Jessica, than yeah, okay. She's black too.
Byrd it seems as though you''ll cite quotes from the jew media when it's alignment with your personal view but will dismiss it as fodder if u don't agree...I can't say you can have both ways bro... I remember checking her long time ago where she plays the black girl... If I have time Ill let you know what it was called..Big poofy fro and all..
ill - Are you saying that her mom committed paternity fraud witha Black man? Or that her "Mexican" dad has Black heritage?
Hey, you could be right. Got any more reliable non-Jew sources for that? :)
BTW, I hope you didn't get to "know" her Biblically. And if you did, you bagged it and get tested for herpes.
It actually does make add a little pep in my step having been in her presence on more than one occasion..Im not saying Ive been w her (I wish).. Im just sayin that that girl knows who she is... Bryd I know you saw imitation of life...but you don't know nothin about "passing"..Does anyone know someone who is "passing" in their life??
So which is it tho - her Mexican daddy is part-Black, or her mom cheated on him with a Black?
Altho, her baby daddy is verifiably part-Black.
Publically tho, she has never admitted any Blackness...and even tries to deny her Latinaness. Guess she must be ashamed of it if it is true?
I see I've touched a nerve. See, the truth hurts.
Vanessa is black and so is Stacey Dash. Both of 'em is hot to me. But that's not the point. The point is that psuedo revolutionaries that claim to be descended from African kings (and ain't never set foot in Africa) should appreciate all beauty, including the beauty of a dark-skinned, full-lipped woman.
One love, cuz.
Wayne thats a sister mister
you gon' dis her
not give her her due
cuz a jew
cant get the gist of her
and you fall for it
See wayne you still domesticated
while ILL runs wild
you eating from the trough that mr farmer gave ya
my behavior like a wild boar
youre hairless and pink and
Farmer Ill is finna go to store
I didn't start the war but I finish it wit my penmanship
Cuz I know your lips spit freaudian slips
You don't get shot by cupid you get wit the bitch
try to get a kiss play truth or dare just for kiddy kicks
youz a baby chicken so I gotta call you "chick"
Call you "Poulet Wayne the chicken wang" cook you on a spit
ILLmath raise your children they'll acknowledge me at the suma cum laude speech
callin me daddy my daughter (yours) lookin pretty as a peach.
Wayne you know you my dude right ? It's only hip hop fam..Respect!! I did slay you like Atreau tho.. Ouch..
If part-White/part-Black women are deemed better than full-Black women...then you can see the logical extension whereby White women > White/Black women > full-Black women.
This is not a loophole in White beauty "supremacy," but evidence of and derivative of it.
And as long as this internal hierarchy exists, diversity will never erase racism...but actually codify and stratify it with racial caste systems like Brazil.
Vanessa is black and so is Stacey Dash. Both of 'em is hot to me. But that's not the point. The point is that psuedo revolutionaries that claim to be descended from African kings (and ain't never set foot in Africa) should appreciate all beauty, including the beauty of a dark-skinned, full-lipped woman. - Big J
LOL.
Being called a pseudo-revolutionary by the pseudo-educated is pseudo-hilarious. I was in Africa when you still had a jherri curl.
You think revolution has something to do with Che Guevarra and the Black Panthers.
The greatest revolution is changing how you perceive yourself.
That's something you Plantation Negros struggle with. I'm challenging how black people perceive themselves.
You're talkin' some ol' country ass down home back woods Negro ignorant ghetto self-destructive nonsense that equates straight with white and nappy with black.
Che would laugh in your face at your bourgeois notions of race.
DV...
"Is either of these women black?"
Which goes to my age old question:
What does a black person actually look like?
What are the objective, scientific, socio-political-value-free physical characteristics that make a person "black"?
The same question when it comes to "white people".
MF - Show me a picture of a "full-blooded" White person with dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair.
Or show me a picture of a "full-blooded" Black person with blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blonde hair.
Or to generalize your self-defined dilemna, show me a chihuahua that looks like a German shephard.
Ok Byrd... Im looking for a picture of her Dad and You can decide for yourself.... To me when I see a "typical" puerto rican family it usually consist of a plethora of genetic phenotypes that criss cross across conventional racial boundries. The mom may have dark skin, thin features, and curly hair or she may have coarse hair aka "the gold", white skin, and thin features or White skin, curly hair bigger lips and nose. And the father could be any combo as well It also depends on if you consider puerto ricans Black... I do. except the ones that don't have phenotypes that cross conventional racial boundaries ( wispy stringy hair palish skin small lips etc) They would be closer to White but not politically at all but racially.. the same goes with some philipinos. So.. many mexicans ("the cosmic race") have the same ethnic makeup as a PR or a columbian or an AMERICAN which is that of it's european brutalizers that of the indigenous ppl of the land and the enslaved men and women who came to work there. Being that Jessica Alba shows characteristics such as darker skin curly hair and big lips Im forced to conclude that she is a part of the african diaspora. But Im liberal with my Blackness byrd.. I say Vin diesel and Mariah are Black.. opps but Mariah's Dad is venezuelan.. go check out a pic of Mr. Carey for yourself.. Ive seen him and I'd say he's a brotha.. And since you like Media takeout so much my friend you should check out the story about one child born White and one child born Black... There is however an interview with her saying that she would "hug every Black man she saw because she thought it was her dad"... I m still gonna look for a family pic of some sort.
Ok, so a "white person" has blue eyes, white skin, and "very straight" (what exactly do you mean by very straight) blond (define blonde, please) hair.
That leaves a whole lotta folks that say they are white out. Like red-heads.
Good.
In any case. Why did you choose these characteristics for "race"?
What about two midgets, one with "dark" skin and one with "light" or "white" skin.
What do we have here then, a race of midgets one of whom has "dark skin" and one of whom has "light" or "white" skin, or two races of "color" each of which is a midget?
Which definition is objectively more valid?
Why?
What is the fuck is a full blooded Black women??? What the hell is White beauty????
Mike, I'm interested in the conclusions your reach. I'll be paying attention.
MF - I'm using the more "extreme" characteristics that are most typically EXCLUSIVELY found (particularly in combination) within only one group or another.
But if your theory was true - even these shouldn't exist exclusively. And with 8 billion people on the planet, it shouldn't be hard to find at least a few exceptions. And yet I've never seen one in my life.
ill - I'm no Alba fanboi, but I haven't seen a pic of her with curly hair? Maybe those got suppressed like the old J-Lo pics when she was also darker with curlier hair?
Well, it's no secret that both Vin Diesel & Mariah Carey have Black dads.
As far as the Black & White twins...both of their parents were "mulattoes." Hence, that was well within the possible odds to recombine in those ways. But it's not like 2 White or 2 Black rents popped out Black & White twins...
yeah RJ Mike is on to something check out his site he has a lil discertation on that... I think in some ways we re saying the same things.. Im addressing the conventional ways we look at race and if being Black ain't nappy hair darker skin and big lips what is it? I mean we all know that race truly is a made up list of features that... we'll yeah Mike said it.. I think he's a bit more articulate than me...
byrdeye...
"I'm using the more "extreme" characteristics that are most typically EXCLUSIVELY found (particularly in combination) within only one group or another."
You have not answered my question. Stop being evasive.
Once again:
What about two midgets, one with "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair" and one with "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair".
What do we have here then, a race of midgets one of whom has "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair" and one of whom has "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair", or two races of "color" each of which is a midget?
Which definition is objectively more valid?
Why?
^ Your question is simply addressed by biological taxonomy & phylogenetics.
In short, you would have to analyze their DNA to consruct a genetic tree to figure out how to label the branches.
A couple of months ago, you suggested that Che would be flossin' an S600 Benz if he were living today. Let Che rest in peace, brother. Are you behind those emails saying that MLK was a Republican?
In any case, everybody likes hot women. It just seems odd that a brotha who portrays himself as a black revolutionary - in fact, the 'blackest' man on the internet - ONLY likes women of mixed race.
byrdeye...
"^ Your question is simply addressed by biological taxonomy & phylogenetics.
In short, you would have to analyze their DNA to consruct a genetic tree to figure out how to label the branches."
Still not answering a simple question. What's up with that byrdeye?
Let me repeat:
What about two midgets, one with "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair" and one with "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair".
What do we have here then, a race of midgets one of whom has "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair" and one of whom has "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair", or two races of "color" each of which is a midget?
Which definition is objectively more valid?
Why?
MF - the specific answer would depend on how those features arose - through a common origin, convergent or divergent evolution.
Or to dumb this down, imagine people like cars.
You are essentially comparing a Black Ford SUV with a White Honda SUV and asking whether any classification overrides and overrules the others.
When in fact, neither is necessarily mutually-exclusive. But by the same token, neither is invalid, either.
What separates a Honda from a Ford, for example? If you can figure that one out, then you can figure out your race dilemna...
byrdeye...
"...then you can figure out your race dilemna..."
Last i checked I ain't got a race dilemma, though apparently you do. Though maybe not, if you can answer my question.
"the specific answer would depend on how those features arose - through a common origin, convergent or divergent evolution."
byrdeye, given that all and every physical characteristic that is not due to outside (outside of the body) influences is the result of genes, the physical feature "midget" is just as much of the result of genetic evolution as "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair" and "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair". Yes?
So then answer the question...
"What about two midgets, one with "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair" and one with "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair".
What do we have here then, a race of midgets one of whom has "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair" and one of whom has "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair", or two races of "color" each of which is a midget?
Which definition is objectively more valid?
Why?"
...in the context of "how those features arose - through a common origin, convergent or divergent evolution".
Since you know what white race and black race is, go at it Mr. Race Expert.
physical feature "midget" is just as much of the result of genetic evolution as "dark skin and very tightly-curled, nappy black hair" and "blue eyes, white skin and very straight, wispy blond hair". Yes?
Sure, but different genes can produce structures that look similar on the outside. IOW, the phenotype may appear similar, but the genotype may not be. An example of this might be snakes and limbless lizards. Or how whales have more in common with land mammals than fish. Hence, your hypothetical example does not contain enough info for me to give you a specific conclusion.
Which definition is objectively more valid?
Which definition is objectively more valid:
A "race" of SUVs - but one a Honda and the other a Ford.
and/or
Honda and Ford "races" of SUVs.
"Sure, but different genes..."
Lemme see: Snakes, limbless lizards, whales, land mammals, fish, SUVs, Honda, Fords.
Did I ask you about "Snakes, limbless lizards, whales, land mammals, fish, SUVs, Honda, Fords" or did I ask you about humans? Homo Sapiens Sapiens to be exact?
I get that you are an expert on snake races, limbless lizard races, whale races, land mammal races, fish races, SUV races, Honda races, Ford races, and all that stuff. But I thought you were definitely an expert on "human races".
So please answer my question in the context of "how those features arose - through a common origin, convergent or divergent homo sapiens sapiens evolution".
Can you do that?
This is an interesting conversation but may I interject for a moment? You said you were a black nationalist in another post, what does that mean to you?
Is black a fluid term? Since you don't connect it to racial characteristics, etc. Who can become a black nationalist?
lil illy go play wit your lil willy
cuz you sound quite silly
or maybe you've gone insane
cause everyone here knows YOU CAN'T FUCK WIT BIG WAYNE
You ever met a guy whose game was so lame
That every time you talk to him he's dropping somebody else's name?
The same guy who claims wealth and fame
All the while drives a Ford Fairlaine?
Gets floor seats to the Lakers game,
Kobe dropped 81 and shot out his name?
Only we didn't get to see
They cut to commercial too quickly
But hey, what more can you expect from those clowns on TNT?
He vacations with celebreties,
Celebrates with the Majesties
And on occasion or three
Has even dined with the Obama family!
RJEsq, please don't sue me
As I expose this MALE GROUPIE
As a product of the combination
Of the physical manifestion of a vivid imagination and too much internet porn and self masturbation
Go sit down.
"Is black a fluid term? Since you don't connect it to racial characteristics, etc."
Who said I don't connect it to "racial characteristics"?
So what are those characteristics?
C1...
"Since you don't connect it to racial characteristics, etc."
Who said I don't connect it to "racial characteristics"?
Clearly, I connect it to physical characteristics" as defined by the socio-political notion of "black race".
"Who can become a black nationalist?"
A black person.
"Is black a fluid term?"
Is the socio-political notion of "white race" fluid?
Are Southern Italians white? Sicilians? Jews? Red-headed Irish?
Your not answering my question Mike. If only a black person can become a black nationalist, how can these people determine who is black and thus able to join their groups?
C1...
"So what are those characteristics?"
Whatever white people who decide this stuff and can make it stick decide they are.
C1...
"how can these people determine who is black and thus able to join their groups?"
By being being victimized on the basis of color.
Whatever white people who decide this stuff and can make it stick decide they are.
As far as I know, not even so called white people can agree on who is white, so how can they decide who is black? Isn't kind of reactionary to just go by whatever a white persons idea of black is? Why not come up with your own?
By being being victimized on the basis of color.
So, what about Asians or Indians? could they join if victimized based on color?
C1...
"As far as I know, not even so called white people can agree on who is white, so how can they decide who is black?"
As I am not white, is it logical to ask me that question? Go ask the white people who decide this stuff.
"So, what about Asians or Indians? could they join if victimized based on color?"
That would be logical.
Tell me. How would white people feel about such a development?
Why do white people decide everything Mike?
How would white people feel if all people of color joined black nationalist groups? Who knows? Not even most black people join such groups so I don't think white folks are all that worried, ask Byrd though, he might know.
I like Jews too much according to Byrd, so I must be no longer qualified to speak for whitey.
C1...
"Why do white people decide everything Mike?"
Why do you persist in asking me things only the white people who decide these things really know?
Please go ask them and let us know what they said.
"How would white people feel if all people of color joined black nationalist groups? Who knows? Not even most black people join such groups so I don't think white folks are all that worried..."
If they are not worried because not even most black people join such groups, doesn't that mean you are saying that the white in fact would be worried if most or all black people and, in addition, all non-white people did?
Why would they be worried?
"...that the white people in fact..."
No Mike, what you seem to be forgetting is people have interests outside of race. Interests of class, of gender, of sexuality. It seems black nationalists are surprised that people of color don't unite against the white devil is because they have interests of their own that can very much at odds with nationalist types. You and I probably have more interests in common than you think but you would probably never admit it.
Lmao! That's pretty hot BW
C1...
"what you seem to be forgetting is people have interests outside of race. Interests of class, of gender, of sexuality."
No shit.
Though, what is this guy's blog's name? What did this guy identify himself as again?
"Art students who prefer black women?"
"Dudes who got the same interests as Michael Fisher who prefer black women?"
"Guys who live in Northern California who prefer black women?"
Nah, I don't think that was it.
Plainly by gender? As in "Men who prefer black women?"
Maybe by class as in "Middle class persons who prefer black women?"
Or "Poor guys who prefer black women?"
Or "Rich guys who prefer black women?"
Dang, help me out here, C1.
Gee Mike, why so upset about the title of my blog? Race or skin color is one of the easier things to identify when you see someone. So it's not "look at that middle class looking guy with that black woman." It's "Hey, is that some white dude with a black woman?
So you can't avoid that even if you want to. Why don't you call your blog "Assault on people of colors sanity?
My parents let me look at the playboy mag with Vanessa Williams in it when the issue first hit the stands (yeah, my folks are bit liberal), so I know the top pic is Vanessa on the right. I agree with everyone else that the bottom pic must be Jessica Alba. That being said, I watched the Miss America pageant when Vanessa won and I didn't know she was black until the news program that followed the pageant proclaimed that the first black woman had won! Of course I was a kid, but I still didn't look at her and see "black". On the flip side (and about 10-15 years later), when I first saw Jessica Alba on some tv show (she was a teenager I think), I thought she was mixed white/black. So, I guess it's safe to say that in this melting pot of a country, it can be hard to racially categorize a person based solely on looks.
C1...
"Gee Mike, why so upset about the title of my blog?"
You are practicing diversion, C1. You know full well (or at least should know) that I'm not upset about the name of your blog or anything you do on it for for matter. The point of my previous comment is that your primary self-identification is that as a white person.
To wit:
"Race or skin color is one of the easier things to identify when you see someone."
Actually no,that being the point of DV's post here. It s much easier to identify someone by height. So, let's assume you are 5'10", why didn't you call your blog "Men who are 5'10" who prefer black women"?
Clearly you preferred to identify yourself by "race" rather than height. This even though height is an absolutely objective socio-politically value free physical characteristic (unless, of course one desires to make a "race" out of it).
It is thus logical to conclude that you saw an advantage to identify yourself by "race" rather than height.
What is the nature, the content, of that advantage, C1?
"The greatest revolution is changing how you perceive yourself."
I'm stealing that.
The point of my previous comment is that your primary self-identification is that as a white person.
Ever heard of anyone who does not refer to a blond hair, blue eyed person as anything other than white? Why did Malcolm use blond hair and blue eyes in describing the white devil on earth? Do you think that the majority of people who gave Malcolm a hard time or who killed his father were blond? I'm really doubting that they were.
C1...
"Ever heard of anyone who does not refer to a blond hair, blue eyed person as anything other than white?"
Sure I have. There are plenty of people classified as "black" who look like that.
But that's beside the point. If everybody who is a "blond hair, blue eyed person" were to jump off a cliff into their death because they are a "blond hair, blue eyed person", would you follow? Would that be a logical course of action?
In other word, C1, I didn't ask you what other persons who classify themselves as white do, I asked you why you classify yourself as white rather than as short or tall.
You can't classify yourself MIke. Like it or hate it, Societal mores come into play. If you stopped calling yourself black, would people instantly stop calling you black? I actually prefer the term European American but no one uses that term, white or black. So it is white that is being used, big deal, you should take it up with someone who has some power over that and not me.
C1, who entitled your blog "White men who..." rather than "Short/tall men who..."?
Certainly you do have power over your blog content?
Your whole persona is relevant here only to the extent to which it is an internet persona. No one knows what you look like unless you tell us. Yet you chose to tell us that you are "white" rather than "shirt" or "tall"
If being seen as "white" in your opinion is only important to others and not important to you, then, logically you would not have had the term "white" in the title of your blog, but a more accurate descriptive term instead.
Clearly then, being identified as white is more important to you than being identified as "tall" or "short" or even as "Art Student".
Why is that?
When writing of interracial relationships, the color of your skin does indeed enter into it. If writing about IR relationships and black women how exactly would "shirt" or "tall" enter into it? I suppose we could pretend skin color doesn't matter but that would be silly wouldn't it? My question to you again is why do your black nationalist brethren make such a big deal about blond hair and blue eyes?
Why did the Rev. Wright refer to Romans as white? What was he trying to say there?
C1...
"When writing of interracial relationships, the color of your skin does indeed enter into it."
Why? If you are talking about biological race, then there is no such thing. Or better yet, what type of biological race do you mean. The one based on height and foot size? What exactly do you mean by "color of your skin". Is your skin actually white? In that case it is likely that you are dead. The "black women"which you prefer, are their skins actually black?
"Why did the Rev. Wright refer to Romans as white? What was he trying to say there?"
I suggest you contact Rev. Wright about that. I'm loath to speak for the man, especially since I never met him.
"My question to you again is why do your black nationalist brethren make such a big deal about blond hair and blue eyes?"
Do they? That's new to me. As to your earlier question about Malcolm, he's been for 43 years. I suggest you contact someone who personally knew him. Maybe Farrakhan.
"If writing about IR relationships and black women how exactly would 'sh[o]rt' or 'tall' enter into it?"
Bottom line is, since biological race does not exist in any meaningful way, you are not writing about biologically based "interracial" relationships. You, in fact, are writing about a socio-politically based notion of "interracial" relationships.
Logically, the next question would be "what is the functional content of the socio-political notion of race"?
You got an answer for this one, C1?
We have been over this one Fish. I'm well aware that biological race does not exist in a meaningful way. Race does exist in a cultural way of and societal way of course. Why else would you have people being accused of acting/talking white etc? Tribalism and sectarianism seem to be ingrained in human behavior and the color of one's skin and facial features etc. have become easy identifers of those who belong or do not belong to a certain group.
Why is it that "white" folks steadily keep obfuscating when it comes to answering this question?
Lt's try again, C1:
"what is the functional content of the socio-political notion of race?"
Mike, you explain it to me, since you don't like my answer.
"what is the functional content of the socio-political notion of race?"
Mike
The Penis
C1...
"the color of one's skin and facial features etc. have become easy identifers of those who belong or do not belong to a certain group."
Why do you keep lying, C1? If "the color of one's skin and facial features etc. have become easy identifers", DV's post and his question "is either of the women black" would not have been necessary.
C1...
"Mike, you explain it to me, since you don't like my answer."
You gave no answer.
Think about it logically and return with a logical answer if you would.
C1...
"The Penis"
Ok. So the functional content of your identity is white [substitute for race] Penis.
In other words your website is really named White Penises who prefer black women.
That was DV who said penis, Mike, not me. Are you trying to get a history of the origin of race and racism Mike? Go watch some PBS.
You are practicing diversion, C1. You know full well (or at least should know) that I'm not upset about the name of your blog or anything you do on it for for matter.
Upset enough to call me a fetishist multiple times and doing your Mr. Goodbar post.
C1, sorry about having attributed DV's silliness to you. In any case, I didn't ask PBS, I asked you. And you still have not answered the question.
Why?
Race is obviously a social construct like Class. Europeans began to believe in racial supremacy after encountering native civilizations that were far behind them in technology and science and who were of course not Christian. The concept of race in America becomes so important because of the extreme heterogeneous nature of the population. In my opinion race is akin to the old quote on pornography for most people "I know it when I see it." In general races are based on general origin of your ancestors. European Americans = White, African Americans= black. Mexican Americans= Latino. It is not very scientific as you imagine but it is how things work.
Damn.
That's a pretty good answer C.
Now come on Mike. Bring it home. What's your point?
That was no answer at all DV. I asked C1 what the functional content of race is.
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