Since you felt the need to take my name in vain yet again, and thoroughly misrepresent my position yet again, I shall have to verbally smite you, yet again.See, my theory of GSWS knew that your dumb ass would think Tim Wise, who in this clip sounds like nothing more than a cheap knockoff of a good liberation theology preacher, argues WS (which you devoutly maintain does not even exist) better than any Black guy. That's one of the most insidious effects of the system. For those who don't know enough to combat it, there is a lifelong conditioning that causes non-white people to feel that everything white is right. (See the Black baby doll, white baby doll studies that have been done for nearly half a century) The very thing you think you are absolutely immune to, because you don't see race or racism or anything other than your own swelled head, has you caught fast in it's clutches because you can't engage enough mental muscle to see the absolute idiocy of your viewpoint.
In case your sycophants didn't notice, not only did you acknowledge the existence of both the groups you claim don't exist in your little A and B ramble, you then created another group, apparently out of thin air, even though your foundational logic was that There Are NO GROUPS, and then proceeded to postulate that both of the other groups, that you try to prove don't exist by admitting their existence, are actually oppressed by the, as yet unidentified and nebulous but nonetheless moving and shaking, third group.
The only thing your egomaniacal mind forgot was to present yourself as part of the third group. DV the alien oppressor coming to a blog near you.
Unlike Mike I had already figured out the ignorant part but I was at least giving you credit for being an idiot savant. Your savant privileges are in danger of being revoked if you keep this type of foolishness up much longer.
Denmark Vesey said ...
Calm down Ex. You're arguing with yourself. And losing.Time Wise extols the virtues of "The Global System of White Supremacy" better than any of you Professional Negro Conspiracy Theorists ... because it's his theory.
The notion that global power is distributed along purely racial lines is a head fake disseminated by those who actually do monopolize power to keep ignorant race peasants distracted and at each others throats . It's repeated by you little Negro Hillary Clintons addicted to the drug of victimization.
Tim Wise arguing that all blacks are oppressed by all whites is as self-serving as the Bush administration arguing that all Shiites are oppressed by all Sunnis while stealing oil from both.
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Ok, DV. Let me ask you this then...
"Is what Tim Wise says true (without quotation marks) or not?
Yes?
No?"
I'll be glad to answer your question Mike.
If you define "true".
Nah. Fuck it. Later for that. Not in the mood for 10 rounds of Afro-Saxon Socrates.
What Wise says is silly, self-serving and devious.
It's a bitch move. A trap for ho's who like hear their owed something.
They laid the same rap on women. For blacks they called it "Civil Rights". For women they called it "Women's Rights". Running out of races, they now run the same game on homosexuals under the banner "Gay Rights".
It's a different version of the same ol' story:
1) Group A has been oppressed by Group B.
2) Group C convinces Group B it deserves special treatment, to "correct" the wrongs of Group A
3) Group C lobbies Group A on behalf of Group B to relinquish power
4) Group B is held up as the Poster Child of Entitlement.
5) Group A makes minor political changes and token gestures to remedy a situation that is impossible to remedy
6) Group B is awarded permanent victim status and eventually becomes bitter when hollow "victories" fail to bare fruit.
7) Group A becomes bitter when it feels forced to pay for crimes it didn't commit. (Imagine if the great great grandsons of Ashanti's in Virginia had to pay restitution to the great great grandsons of Yubangi's in Georgia for the crime of enslaving the Yubangis' ancestors while in Africa)
8) Groups A & B forever harbor resentment towards each other while Group C profits on their perpetual conflict, changes the rules of the game and eventually oppresses both groups.
But is it true DV?
Is it truuuuuuuuu?
LOL. If only it were that simple Mike.
Nah Mr. Wise. No thank you serpent.
There is no such thing as "white people" or "black people". We are collections of individuals.
The white boy who details my car does not oppress me. He simply cleans my kids smoothies off of my butter leather seats.
DV...
"There is no such thing as'white people' or 'black people'"
However, you, DV are "the blackest man on the planet" and birdeye is "an unafraid white boy".
DV. I thought you are likely intellectually dishonest or maybe just a sell-out.
Turns out you're just stupid.
rotflmbao.....,
Since you felt the need to take my name in vain yet again, and thoroughly misrepresent my position yet again, I shall have to verbally smite you, yet again.
See, my theory of GSWS knew that your dumb ass would think Tim Wise, who in this clip sounds like nothing more than a cheap knockoff of a good liberation theology preacher, argues WS (which you devoutly maintain does not even exist) better than any Black guy. That's one of the most insidious effects of the system. For those who don't know enough to combat it, there is a lifelong conditioning that causes non-white people to feel that everything white is right. (See the Black baby doll, white baby doll studies that have been done for nearly half a century) The very thing you think you are absolutely immune to, because you don't see race or racism or anything other than your own swelled head, has you caught fast in it's clutches because you can't engage enough mental muscle to see the absolute idiocy of your viewpoint.
In case your sycophants didn't notice, not only did you acknowledge the existence of both the groups you claim don't exist in your little A and B ramble, you then created another group, apparently out of thin air, even though your foundational logic was that There Are NO GROUPS, and then proceeded to postulate that both of the other groups, that you try to prove don't exist by admitting their existence, are actually oppressed by the, as yet unidentified and nebulous but nonetheless moving and shaking, third group.
The only thing your egomaniacal mind forgot was to present yourself as part of the third group. DV the alien oppressor coming to a blog near you.
Unlike Mike I had already figured out the ignorant part but I was at least giving you credit for being an idiot savant. Your savant privileges are in danger of being revoked if you keep this type of foolishness up much longer.
Problem with this race-hustling Jew's racial extremism is that the race who gets the highest scores in undergrad admissions ISN'T Whites...but East Asians.
Now, explain that, Mr. Wise.
Let's see, what might you say?
1) Lesser institutionalized discrimination?
Nope. Asians have suffered wholescale discrimination in this country - with a 61-year ban on Chinese immigration and Japanese internment camps in WWII.
2) Higher cultural importance placed on education?
Well, if this is so - then why can't these cultural memes be extracted and widely-dispensed instead of rigging the system with race-based affirmative action handouts?
3) The smarter ones left Asia due to H1B visa reqs for skilled labor.
Why are these particular ones smarter, then? If not due to culture, then genes? So, now you imply that genes do help determine IQ?
Unfortunately, the success of East Asians in US academia (despite often coming from immigrant households with English as a second language and NO alumni status anywhere) effectively blows most of Wise's GSWS theory out of the water. Which is why he completely left them out of the debate.
- Is the system precisely fair and balanced? No, and probably no system ever will be.
- Do small imbalances account for all the disparities in performance and results we see? No.
- Will rigging the system until all results become equal fix the problem, then? No, it will only unbalance it more severely and make it worse. See Communism.
I see birdeye you're back. So would you please answer the questions as posted on the thread below?
"birdeye...
"a & b are EXCELLENT questions!"
Well, birdie. They may be excellent questions, but you still haven't answered any of them. All that verbiage you quoted didn't answer jack. So let's go at it again:
(a) In your opinion, what is the reason for this aberrant black behavior?
Lemme help you out a bit. In a society in which everyone, including us black folk, has easy access to "white" values and dictae for "white" behavior (which "white" behavior is not, comparatively, aberrant as that displayed by blacks) what is the reason Blacks do not grab hold onto these values?
Maybe we lack the genetic intelligence to do so?
If not, what else could be the reason?
and thus
(b) in view of your answer to (a), what should be done with blacks given our (if your answer to (a) reflects this) genetically determined corrosive impact (which causes white flight)on society as a whole?
And please, don't quote anyone else. State your answer in your own words."
What does the score of an east Asian have to to with a discussion about affirmative action policies developed specifically to address systemic inequality between Black Americans and white Americans? Don't even try to answer that because the only true answer is not a damn thing. You want to run the subject off into some side room where your alternative views of reality might actually achieve some practical application. I can see why you hang out around DV.
How is this Jew race hustling when he is advocating against his own self interest? Don't bother to answer that. You probably think Jewish people have some distinction from white people, when nothing could be further from the truth. Not all white people are Jews but all white Jews are white people. When you can comprehend that simple logic, you may be on the road to a rational thought process regarding white supremacy.
I could continue, but your logic is so specious that I don't even want to acknowledge it much less expend effort in debunking it. Let's just take the first one, Asians have "suffered wholescale discrimination". And the logic behind this is less than 5 years of internment for less than 110,000 Asians who have since received apologies and reparation. And a bias against another group of Asians that could just as easily been based on the difference in political ideology rather than "racially" motivated. This is worse than intellectually lazy, and far too idiotic to be intellectually dishonest, so that leaves me thinking it's just plain dumb of you.
Of course the system of white supremacy attempts to subjugate all non-whites, and often in the history of WS people of Asian descent have qualified as non-white and received the short end of that stick. But if you understood anything about white supremacy you would realize that the group, or club, of whiteness has gone through several metamorphosis. At varying times varying people have been allowed to become part of the group, receive the benefits of membership so to speak, to varying degrees. Except for Black and very brown people. Lightly browned people, like the anti-Castro Cuban crowd have sometimes managed to wrangle membership.
Here again that logic is probably going right over your head. We'll see what your response tells us about that, if you dare to respond. Don;t feel bad if you don't dare, not many people in your position would. Only reason DV does is because I come to his house with my swagger, and he has no choice.
"Not all white people are Jews but all white Jews are white people."
LOL
"Not all white people are Jews but all white Jews are white people."
LOL
"Not all white people are Jews but all white Jews are white people."
LOL
Ahhhh man. I spit my cold sake all over my monitor on that one.
Come on Ex.
Think brother. Think.
Are you implying that your alcohol intake is interfering with your ability to form a coherent thought process regarding that statement? Exactly what, other than the fact that you don't acknowledge that anyone is white or Black except when it suits your position, is your disagreement with my logic? Be specific now, and use small words cause you know I'm slow.
Dwight. Let it be. DV's inability to form a coherent thought process is what is interfering with his ability to form a coherent thought process.
Actually I'd finally like to hear from DV's intellectual superior, birdeye, and finally get my two simple questions answered.
You have a stronger stomach than I do Michael. This muhphukka came up in my spot with some J. Phillipe Rushton and that was it for me.
Out behind the building, double-tap to the base of the skull. (you know how impulsively violent certain of us can tend to be?)
After 7 months of doing the dang thang, Birdie is the first and only commenter I've felt moved to ban. Lack of home training.
My man Big Don isn't far removed from Birdie on the racist delusions spectrum, but he was the product of good home learning and realizes and exemplifies that medieval baseline of decency that enables mortal enemies to break bread together "civilly" without going to steel at the dinner table.
Birdie, not so much....,
DV,
Because fair is fair, and I'm a true believer in objective morality, GSWS Stumpfenfuhrer Fisher also had to be carted out to the trash heap where RUDE ignorant old-assed ignoramuses finally express their maximum conceivable value as pre-fertilizer biomass...,
Aaaaahhhh...., that was as refreshing as taking a big shit!!!
Nulan...
"Lack of home training."
Why ban birdie?
On the home training front that white boy certainly got you beat by miles. I ain't seen him call black folks monkeys and apes yet.
And still no one banned your behind anywhere.
Not even DV, who has been subjected to some quite justified personal vitriol by all givers including yours truly,has banned anyone or deleted anyone's comments.
Why so thin skinned?
Ah, forget it. Don't answer. Like I said on your site, you don't want to get into convos with chattering monkeys an primeval black apes like moi.
Fisher stop lying.
Calling you an ape has nothing whatsoever to do with Black folks, but it has EVERYTHING to do with your individual, ineducable, feces-flinging monkey behind...,
"Calling you an ape has nothing whatsoever to do with Black folks, " CNu
LOL. Ahhhh man. Fish, I told you about trying to hide behind "black folks".
Sometimes ... it's ... just ... tu.
But I must admit CNu. I was a bit surprised at your banning of Byrdeye and request that he de-link you from his blog.
Not that he did or did not deserve it. Just doesn't seem your style to avoid anyone trying to bring it.
In addition to that, in an "anti-Fisheresque" sort of way, I see a potentially productive no-holds barred, unapologetic discourse between two intellects completely free of politically correct encumberances.
Now, I'm not as familiar with Byrdeye as you cats appear to be, but at first glance he seems no more enamored with his whiteness than I wallow in my blackness.
Can one truly demonstrate 'race pride' while asking others to apologize for theirs?
That's how I know the Fisher / Exodus types suffer from inferiority complexes when it comes to white people. They overreact.
"Yoooooouuuuuuzzz Uhhh RaySissssst!!!!!"
What????? DV is not enamored with his blackness, but I have an inferiority complex? Is that the new DV logic we're working with? Well, since I stand accused, can the Blackest man in America give an example of when or where I showed a lack of pride in who I am? None of that convoluted DV extrapolation now; something we can all understand.
How about the charge that I am "overreacting"? Your choice of words establishes that some reaction is warranted, which is direct opposition to the established DV position that the entire dialog about race/racism/white supremacy is passe' and unnecessary. So if I'm overreacting, that would mean DV is not reacting at all, where some reaction is, by his own words, apparently appropriate. So much for the "there is no such thing as racism/white supremacy" theory.
You just keep coming at me with the nonsense, I'll just keep making it plain. And keep coming at me sideways so we'll all know you have no substantive reply to anything I say.
"Well, since I stand accused, can the Blackest man in America give an example of when or where I showed a lack of pride in who I am?" Exodus
OK.
Exhibit A.
You argue, promote, advance, feed, ballyhoo, buildup, tout, contend, affirm and maintain the existence of a "Global System of White Supremacy".
What greater sense of inferiority, for a black man, is there, than some shit like that?
Whey dem bumbaclot get dat frum?
Oh.....k.
"Calling you an ape has nothing whatsoever to do with Black folks, but it has EVERYTHING to do with your individual, ineducable, feces-flinging monkey behind...,"
Clearly you can not read.
Nonetheless. Where's that picture of that supposedly finer than DV's woman of yours that appreciates barely into MIT-getting, but MIT not-graduating, from job to job being fired, business-failured, obsolete technology trying to selling, man-titties having, bloodclot, idiot non-savants like you, that you were gonna show off with?
D "Rimi Dah" V....
"Now, I'm not as familiar with Byrdeye as you cats appear to be..."
Ahhh...
Keeping the door a crack open for any future denial of loving a white racist.
That rim job you've been giving that white boy is above and beyond.
Be that as it may, let me address yo Massa:
Birdeye, when are you gonna answer my two questions?
Rimi Duh...
"You argue, promote, advance, feed, ballyhoo, buildup, tout, contend, affirm and maintain the existence of a 'Global System of White Supremacy."
Dang, Ex does all that? Looks to me that he is seeing to dismantle it while you fearfully quiver in your slippers before a few white folks who classify themselves as Jews.
All that while in a fan's fannish fashion, fanning yourself with excitement about the misbegotten Gangsta progeny of self-same "white Jewish" entertainment moguls.
You'se hilarious, Rimi Duh.
"Keeping the door a crack open for any future denial of loving a white racist MF
MF ... MF. You ol' ... MF. I couldn't give less of a fuck, about a MF "white racist"
That's your ol' ass, Plantation Negro, bug eyed boogey man obsession.
There's no such thing as a "white racist". Except to you wannabe slaves, bending over backwards to grant that much power to every miscellaneous white person you encounter. Festas.
Don't you realize your disproportionate hostility to white boys is a sign of weakness? Didn't your father teach you that? Didn't Skip Sievert free your Chicken George ass last week? Aren't you old enough to know better?
"That rim job you've been giving that white boy is above and beyond." MF
Again, Telemaque, your inner homo is on full display.
You got the nerve to introduce another man's wife into this discourse. I don't like kind of shit. Just because you've been getting your digital ass whipped, you try to make it personal. And you're not even particularly good at that. Corny actually.
Speaking of wives. Where's your wife MF? Nah, nah, nah. Not the "extra black" girlfriend you claimed months back. I mean, a real wife. A woman. Yours.
You know ... between walking in on "rappers blowing each other in recording studios" and creating gay alter egos - you've got a lot of time to attack the families of other men.
"Ohhhh Masssa! ohhhhhh Masssa! Imma Telll Ya Summin 'Bout CNuwlan Puhsunal Lyfe!"
Global System of Bitch Ass Plantation Negro Inferiority.
Rimi Duh...
"There's no such thing as a 'white racist'".
Ok, Uncle Ruckus.
"...you've got a lot of time to attack the families of other men."
You can't read either. apparently.
You and Nulan announced that "my woman is finer than yours" public internet competition.
Since Nulan is indeed a barely-into-MIT-getting, but MIT not-graduating, from job to job being fired, business-failured, obsolete technology be trying to unsuccessfully selling, man-titties having, bloodclot, idiot non-savant, (ever wonder why he has the time to read and view every non-essential titty-bit on the internet and youtube - there you have it), I was just wondering where that pic was he so proudly threw in the public internet realm.
The fact that his wife apparently has the patience and appreciation for a verbosely ill-mannered talk-a-lot-of-shit-without-substance-backing-his-lying-behind character like Nulan is not an attack on the lady, but puts her close to my esteem of Florence Nightingale.
The fact is I don't appreciate windbags who fake having degrees or other accomplishments and try to brow beat folks who do.
Fake is fake.
"There's no such thing as a 'white racist'."
(((shakin' head)))
Dayum, Remi Duh. How did you make it outta grade school?
BTW. Why do you insist on equating rims with homosexuality? What's up with that? I'm talking about you spit-polishing the boy's wheels, not homodom. But if that's what's on your mind, so be it.
But I must admit CNu. I was a bit surprised at your banning of Byrdeye and request that he de-link you from his blog. Not that he did or did not deserve it. Just doesn't seem your style to avoid anyone trying to bring it.
Not avoidance brah, I know his endgame and it's a waste of time.
This is chess, not checkers DV.
While it might be amusing to witness Birdie and Fisher have at it, it's ultimately as unproductive as watching a Wahabist and a Dominionist argue theology - or a pair of monkeys fling turds at one another. No point in it. More efficient and productive to just give the dumbasses guns and let them sort it out that way.
Yep, just as I figured, DV had to get all esoteric and try yet again to equate recognition of a condition as capitulation to the condition. It seems I have failed in my attempts to guide you to a minimally coherent thought. Do you use this brand of faulty logic in all your daily endeavors? Or just when you know your ass ain't got a single rational response for the occasion?
"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE RACIST" - Denmark Vesey.
Remember DV fans, you heard it here first. DV has singlehandedly changed the course of human history. I know there are some folks other than cnulan and Mike Fisher out there reading this. I see you guys cosigning DV's nonsense all the time. Are you really going to let him get away with this inanity without calling him on it even a little? Or do you all just read his irrational pontification for your daily dose of laughter as the best medicine?
I'm done. There is no way to have a rational discussion with DV, at least not on this subject. Just keep my name out ya mouth and I won't bother correcting your crap any more. I think all your sycophants have seen the real by now anyway. Only reason I kept coming back at ya anyway is because I didn't want those regular readers of yours to get the impression that you were actually making sense.
"Only reason I kept coming back at ya anyway is because " Ex
Ahh ... come on Mike Fisher Jr., stop pandering.
If you said anything profound, you wouldn't have to bend over backwards to drum up applause.
Just because you got a Thesaurus for Christmas doesn't make your weak ass arguments any more sound.
You've been a reactionary, de facto slave for so long you wouldn't understand an empowerment technique if it were handed to you by God himself.
There is no such thing as a "white racist" any more than there is a such a thing as an Eskimo racist or a "Mexican racist". Yes, there are ignorant frightened white people who suffer from penis envy - who Ol' Timey Negros like you anoint with the glorified title "racist", because you've been conditioned to associate all things white with power.
So stop frontin' MF Jr.
Denmark Vesey is school for you.
Oh Lawd....,
"But I must admit CNu. I was a bit surprised at your banning of Byrdeye and request that he de-link you from his blog."
When you can't disprove, you must silence...
Truth-tellers use the truth to silence. Liars use censorship.
Anyhow, no sweat off my back. I bring a lot of intellegent discussion to the table - whether you agree with me or not. So, if someone wants to turn that down, it's more their loss than mine.
At varying times varying people have been allowed to become part of the group, receive the benefits of membership so to speak
East Asians have not received White benefits...or Affirmative Action in undergrad admissions. Again, they must score HIGHER than Whites to get into the scame schools. That is the whole point - their example alone disproves Wise's whole GDWS theory.
Try again. :/
"Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in"
Perhaps, just one last time friend DV. I'll even try to leave my new thesaurus out of it.
I could care less about anyone's approval. That's one of the few hard and fast rules of my life. What I really wanted to know is if there were many others out there in DV land who are as far gone as you. From the lack of response, either they are out there and they just don't want none of this, or, and this is the most likely scenario, you are wandering in the wilderness all by yourself right about now.
In all the time I've been here you've very rarely responded directly to anything I have put out there, and yet I'm the one with unsound arguments. I've responded every single time and you've been reduced to simply insults. You got slogans and rhetoric for days, but not a single shred of rational logical thought process to back it up. I would gladly acknowledge if you said anything that made sense on this subject, but you don't and you haven't and you won't because unfortunately you can't.
I've been hoping at some point you would say something, anything, on this subject that actually was worth thinking about. At least choir boy cnu had me doing a little research with his dopamine drip. But you disappoint yet again. This last little bit is the same thing I've gotten each and every time. And you're real good at looking back over these threads so prove me wrong.
First you create a straw man argument which you pretend is what I would say. This time it's the concept of an Eskimo or Mexican racist. In fact I would be the very first to argue AGAINST the existence of any such thing, for completely different and far more rational reasons than you. This simply shows that you do not understand, nor do you try to understand, the GSWS that I'm talking about. You'd much rather misunderstand and then attack your own misunderstanding, because that's a battle you might just win.
So you pin my name on your straw man and proceed to kick it and apply the cnu bitch slap, and you both get your jollies. Around that time you drop something totally obvious, like "there are scared ignorant white people", which neither proves nor disproves anything, and you use that factual but empty statement as the logical foundation for some grand pronouncement.
Throw in a few good natured insults at my supposed inferiority, again a concept based only on your intentional mischaracterization of my position, and we've got a typical DV post.
Here is something that I'm sure you and I can agree on, at least in the sense that you feel this way about me and I feel this way about you. You've got one schtick, it's not worth much, if any, further response, and it's actually served it's purpose as far as I can see. I reserve the right to step back in and apply additional correction as I deem needed. My work here is done, at least for now.
Those who choose to know, will know; those who don't...
birdie still hasn't answered my two simple questions.
I'm here, I read. Everyday.
All yall, you too Ex, like to hear yourselves talk.
Yall the most pontificatin niggaz I've encounterered in a long time.
Yall are too busy trying to insult one another to see the validity that represents a portion of what you are saying.
You asked for a consensus from the jury (so to speak). Here it is.
1. Mike, make a point and stop asking so many god damn questions. I've been waiting for a year now. Come wit it. I repeat, Socrates should have been shot.
2. Ex, I agree that recognizing a long standing power structure is not the same as living as a victim to that power structure. However, can you not see where, in general, Black folk would be well served by discarding anything that can be used as a justification for a failure to achieve. What I mean is, what's the harm in proclaiming, loudly, as DV does, "to hell with white folks and their so-called power, we can do anything we want to."
3. Birdeye, you are new here and I havent completely read all your stuff but I did see your retort to me last week that my question regarding your race is evidence of "my focusing on the wrong thing." Not really, but I didnt have time to debate it with you. While I certainly dont of me and mine as less-than because of it, if you think your race or anyone's race of of no consequence your nuts. I do not support wearing one's race on their sleeve, but I'm all for carrying a lil bit in one's coat pocket. If yall understand what I'm getting at, cool, if not, too bad, I have a job.
4. DV, I appreciate 100% what Denmark Vesey stands for in the theoretical sense. There are, however, practical circumstances where the powers that be may flex their muscle to the detriment of Black folk. This cannot be denied. In this respect Mike and Ex are correct. However, as stated, aint a damn thing wrong with tootin our own collective horns and constant self proclamation. The practice has served me rather well.
5. Cnu, I dont know what I want to say to you yet.
There are some typos above (particularly to Birdeye), but I think yall get the point.
MF - read & weep here. ;)
if you think your race or anyone's race of of no consequence your nuts. I do not support wearing one's race on their sleeve, but I'm all for carrying a lil bit in one's coat pocket.
I agree. I am not a self-contradicting racial-denialist like Jewish liberals or MF. And I even stated here how a little tribalism can be natural and healthy. As some cross-pollination can be too.
Seriously folks, it's no different than how common-interest groups naturally form in schools like skaters, DJs, potheads, jocks, etc. Forming identity-based communities helps to support one's growth amongst like-minded peers.
Of course, if these become too exclusive they can also cause stagnation from isolationism, etc. So, a little cross-training can bring new perspectives in as well.
It's all about balance...
Anyhow, when it comes to factual debate - focusing on red herrings like racism, cult of personalities, absolutist strawmen or ad hominem attacks all only distract from the truth. Which is the precise reason why such smokescreen tactics are actually employed.
In spite of all of us this may actually work to some advantage.
Rjesq I sincerely thank you for interjecting just a bit of sanity to this situation. Mrs. Exodus agrees with you wholeheartedly and has called me to the carpet on my behavior in the blogs. I am trying to do better. I would say I was provoked but that's no excuse now is it?
I happen to agree with almost everything you said.
Almost. There is great value in understanding a problem. In fact, I would submit to you that no problem can be overcome without first having a good understanding of it. That's algebra 101. And you have got to understand that I don't ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use the system of white supremacy to justify any failing in our communities of any individual Black people. I am real big on individual responsibility.
For the record and DV can confirm this, the very first time I saw DV claim the title Blackest man in America I issued a challenge on the spot and asked for a recount. My daughter was saying it loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud) almost since she could talk. I have no problem with Black pride, Black achievement, Black Power, black magic, etc. I just happen to think it's dangerous for us to disregard the overwhelming evidence of our eyes when we approach this thing called Black Empowerment.
In other words, I'm not trying to be right, I'm trying to be righteous. Next time don't take so long to check us when we stray from the intellectual part of the fray.
birdeye...
"MF - read & weep here. ;)""
I've read, have not wept, and still have not received an answer to my two very simple questions.
Let me repeat:
"(a) In your opinion, what is the reason for this aberrant black behavior?
Lemme help you out a bit. In a society in which everyone, including us black folk, has easy access to "white" values and dictae for "white" behavior (which "white" behavior is not, comparatively, aberrant as that displayed by blacks) what is the reason Blacks do not grab hold onto these values?
Maybe we lack the genetic intelligence to do so?
If not, what else could be the reason?
and thus
(b) in view of your answer to (a), what should be done with blacks given our (if your answer to (a) reflects this) genetically determined corrosive impact (which causes white flight)on society as a whole?"
By the way. here's (c):
If you desire to postulate "Jewish injected memes" as the culprit, why would you say that these same self memes influence the behavior of "blacks" one way and the behavior of "whites" another?
So why don't you finally avoid the subject and come straight at it, birdeye?
Mike
I think Byrdseye answered the 1st part of your question with DV's post titled "Anonymous Accuses Byrdseye of Being A Racist"- read his last response.
Yeah well Robyn, I understand what you're trying to say and do. And I do appreciate it.
Though, sorry, I ain't into no liberal kuumbaya okydoke.
DV cranks out stuff that is so stupid and reactionary he ends up defending straight up anti-black racist shit. Period. Now if it were just a matter of theory, that's be fine. Problem is, racism effects every black person negatively on a daily globally and if we don't recognize and understand the problem we can't solve it.
"What I mean is, what's the harm in proclaiming, loudly, as DV does, 'to hell with white folks and their so-called power, we can do anything we want to.'"
This ostrich approach of sticking one's head in the sand and loudly proclaiming that a problem ain't there only gets us upended.
Robyn, if you really want to be able to do anything you want to, you got to ground your strategy on firmly based reality.
That means analyzing reality. Logically.
Lemme give you an example.
DV loudly proclaims that there is a God. But he doesn't deliver a logical proof. None. Doesn't even try.
So I tried to show DV how one uses one's brain to bolster one's position. Took him through it step for step. (Via the despised Socratic method) Thus I actually delivered a pretty good logical proof for the existence of God. I bet you not even Skip can deconstruct that one.
Now if one can do this for an ephemeral concept such as the concept of God one should be able to do this for any position one holds - as long as it is ground in logical reasoning.
If DV were to be able to show how his positions were logical and grounded in reality, fine, no problem. But he refuses to make use of the only scalpel of the mind - logic.
Getting back to God. If God didn't want us to think logically then God wouldn't have enabled us to think logically. Throw away God's gift to human kind - logical thinking - and you throw away God.
You're an attorney (and so am I, btw). Now in order to win a case, do you logically analyze a case and try to anticipate every move, legal, psychological, and otherwise, by every party in a litigation, or do you just proclaim loudly to the judge that your client is right and leave it at that?
"Yall are too busy trying to insult one another to see the validity that represents a portion of what you are saying."
As to ad homin attacks.
Given the level of (ill)logical discourse emanating from DV, there's little else left.
Besides that, Mommy, he started it! ;)
anon...
"I think Byrdseye answered the 1st part of your question with DV's post titled "Anonymous Accuses Byrdseye of Being A Racist"- read his last response."
I had read it, anon. Birdye provided non-answers. Thus my response above.
My question (a) was: "(a) In your opinion, what is the reason for this aberrant black behavior?" By definition that includes any behavior that birdie ascribes to "blacks", including "r-strategy behavior" and supposed acceptance of ""Jewish injected memes" which supposedly lead to this "r-strategy behavior".
So, no. Birdie hasn't answered jack. He obfuscated. As usual.
Thus I am still awaiting a straight forward response.
How about it, birdeye?
"Thus I actually delivered a pretty good logical proof for the existence of God." MF
That's funny Mike. You actually think, that with your little pea brain, YOU PROVED the existence of God.
How laughably Western of you Mr. Global System of White Supremacy.
I asked you what time it was, you told me how to build a clock. You did not "prove" the existence of time.
Proving God with "logic" is like proving daylight with algebra.
Open your damn eyes. That's what I'm teaching you.
Open your eyes
and you will see
there is no
Global System of White Supremacy.
The Emperor Has No Clothes.
Rimi Duh...
"That's funny Mike. You actually think, that with your little pea brain, YOU PROVED the existence of God."
Well, genius, if it ain't a proof, put your oh so colossal intellect to the task and deconstruct the proof.
Boasting is cheap.
And no, no resorting to quoting ancient re-re-re-edited-multi-times translated fairytales put together in 400 AD as "The Bible".
Come on kid. Get on it...
Oh, by the way, Rimi Duh. Daylight can be very well be proven with algebra.
Seems thus that you are not too familiar with either algebra or daylight.
Middle school school stuff, Rimi Duh. Ah, yes, but then again you didn't make it past grade school. Understandable.
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