Easter Sundayskip sievert said...
What about Hillary Clinton ? She was a daughter. Is she a mistake or just someone to take the garbage out like Obama and McCain ?God does not make mistakes because god is an idiot savant. Just like the little girl suicide bombers. Hello brainwashed America... so happy and nice.. 
as we destroy the world for greed.
Denmark Vesey said ...
What about Hillary Clinton? God gave her a soul, free of mistakes. Unfortunately she sold hers to the devil in exchange for worldly power. You can see the confused look of frustration starting to creep across her face, as she realizes all the worldly power in the world can't compete with God's son.
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What about Hillary Clinton ?
She was a daughter.
Is she a mistake or just someone to take the garbage out like Obama and McCain ?
God does not make mistakes because god is an idiot savant.
Just like the little girl suicide bombers.
Hello brainwashed America... so happy and nice.. as we destroy the world for greed.
Skip -- you are an ASS!
Yes ... people hate it when someone expresses an opinion that reflects poorly on their sentiments.
How about all the little girls that we have starved to death and blown up and otherwise killed for profit so you can sit on your ass and play nice?
Lovely girls.
Yes Skip, it would be nice if all that ugly stuff ( starvation killing) didn't happen.
DV, here is something for your reading pleasure.
god was a branding construct made up by political system to control the great unlearned and easily tricked population. Superstition and hypnosis.
It was a way to organize people into work gangs and maintain contracts of people control within the context of shearing the current and future sheeple.
god is a scarcity based concept.
A parlor game trick.
The time is nigh for the creation of the first secular humanitarian science based society.
If that does not happen the world is going to be destroyed for desultory reasons only.
I love the Skip-DV debates. Better than Lincoln-Douglas.
god is a scarcity based concept.
-Skip
I can agree with that.
god was a branding construct made up by political system to control the great unlearned and easily tricked population.
-Skip
Can you explain this further? Because it seems that from the earliest records of human existence there has been a 'God' even if it was a depiction on a cave wall or artifacts buried with the dead.
I do think there is a class element because the elites had religious obligations but I would think that they were sincere in their beliefs rather than manipulating tribe and clan members to gain material benefit.
And couldn't religious conviction just be an evolutionary remnant whose benefits no longer justify its continued maintenance?
No Sub. It really truly was a con from the beginning. A good con but a con. They were never sincere. Ironically one reason why many hate the Jews is that although they did know the truth about a few things... they choose to lie and brainwash their own people..(children) to carry on various rackets.
That group itself is also only a form of victim group ... that was brainwashed by earlier groups (Babylon).
The origin of religion as we know it as regards Judaism.. Christianity.. and Islam is Babylon. Origin of the Political/Price System TNAT TheNorthAmericanTechnate
All of our happy horseshit versions come from there... and they ALL go back to there.
That original creation myth and other bits and pieces from Egypt and a few other places were the start point. It came together between 3300 and 1800 BC... and we have been living with it since.
Humans lived in cities from about 6 or 7.000 years BC. and to organize from the standpoint of human labor and no mechanical energy ... religion was the mode to subjugate people to obey for the sake of making armies and as said forming work gangs.
The reason for that is gone now.
In 1913 human labor was supplanted by extraneous mechanical energy... and the flat line of culture being done by human energy ended.
We still use this system though.
We are doomed with it but it is ingrained.
We now must transition into a non money society based on abundance and protection of the environment.
BTW.. god in the old old days was a statue of a women with a big ass.
In other words some tits and an ass ... some nice food to eat.. and bingo~!~ ya got god.
It is funny that god as we know it from Babylon has ALWAYS been an inside joke among.. for lack of a better word.. we will call the Illuminati. Ha.
Are you telling me that nomadic hunters and gatherers emerging from the plains of Africa didn't believe in deities or have religious traditions and hierarchies before the advent of farming and settling in the Fertile Crescent?
No I am not.
Obviously everything came from Africa originally as to the basis of everything in its early stages.
Farming changed things. Agriculture made things different.
Superstition and fear have been used from the beginning to control people in groups. It is effective.
It has no reality though.
What I am saying is that the old time religion revolved around screwing women and eating and being happy to have the chance to do both.
Mostly religion is a type of poetry in allegory that is designed to confront some reality that humans have a hard time with.
Like death.
Suffering. Etc.
The original Jews did not believe in an afterlife.
Dust to dust... ashes to ashes...
Very existential.
Except for their bullshit stuff about a fake god.
One of the reasons they were universally hated in that area.
They mocked the Egyptian gods that looked like odd ball cartoons.
Religion is the poison that is drunk to make our system work.
The versions of our current system do have their direct linkage to Babylon in the 22nd cent. BC.
It was an odd and unique system of thinking invented then... by the political system. It was in a time and place.
If you don't mind, Skip, I'm going to take this a bit further. Who originated monotheism and what were it's advantages relative to polytheism? Is it the 'gift' of the Jews or did they appropriate it?
They appropriated it from Egypt.. just as they appropriated the rest of their culture from Babylon and Canaan.
Mono god was popular at the time because of a certain pharaoh that forced that issue on his people.
The Egyptians themselves were little interested in the early Jews of the time.
Their literature describes them mostly as something like cut throat hippies that showed little mercy on their victims.
They (the Jews) were a heterogeneous group that admitted others if they would worship their god.
Something like an organized criminal gang of dropouts.
Joining them was something like running away and joining the circus.
They turned into marauders of the first order when they acquired iron age technology... and because of their nomadic past with its lack of borders... started to systematically capture and destroy neighboring populations and settle then in the lowlands.
Formerly they roamed with cattle and sheep in the highlands.
They came from an area of extreme scarcity.
A 'promised land' was a land of milk and honey by their description.
In other words any where but where they came from.
Much like the Arabs and early Islam they suffered from extreme lack of resources in their area from which they came and they wanted to acquire more resources by any means.
Israel became an entity post Ramses and after the Egyptians had defeated and destroyed the Canaanites... a remnant survived to the north of that group (Canaanites) and then went by the name of 'Phoenicians' (modern Lebanon.)
The Canaanites became probably the most reviled people in the history of the world because of propaganda in the bible.
The early Jews co-opted much of Canaanite culture because they lacked a culture mostly.. of their own.
The Exodus myth is only a myth in regard to the Jews.. and was also appropriated from legends in Canaan concerned with other groups.
The origin of the Jewish group is thought by most scholars to have been a little south and east of the dead sea in an area around a place called Mount Se`er.
The word Yahweh is thought to have been originally a place name... a tribal cult god much similar to the Canaanite storm god Baal and the Jupiter war god from Mesopotamia from the original creation myth from Babylon (the original conspiracy as regards the invention of religion as we know it today).
Using Canaanite myth and other legends from Egypt ... the bible as we know it was created in the 6th cent BC. when the Persians recreated a Jewish state for geo-political reasons.. as a buffer state between themselves and Egypt whom they later invaded and captured (the Persians captured Egypt for a time).
The early original Jews were nomadic pastoralists.. in fact mostly drop outs from other groups that banded together and were known for their lack of mercy on others and infighting among themselves.
As a group they were looked down on by ALL surrounding groups because of their lawlessness in regard to others outside their own group.
One of the better books on this period and the surrounding area is by Donald Redford.. published by the Princeton University Press.
It is called Egypt, Canaan & Israel in Ancient Times.
It is suggested reading.
It does not seek to denigrate any one group or another.
It is accurate to the information as a good scholars book by a world renowned authority.
It is pretty much the gold standard often quoted by other scholars.
Farming changed things. Agriculture made things different.
Fascinating discussion. Skip, you're a pleasure to read when you're not insulting folks.
Alan Watts has a lecture called "Return to the Forest" in which he makes a similar point to what Skip is saying - that agriculture made people sedentary, which required a greater division of labor and therein created a priesthood responsible for transmitting the mythology of the culture.
Contrast that with the shaman who goes into the forest (hence the title, Return to the Forest). Because he must rely on himself when he goes to hunt for days and days all by himself, he must be the full repository of all that is needed to know for survival. There was no such thing as a priesthood under such circumstances because each member of society was his own priest, so to speak.
Actually, Skip's historical narrative is pretty much correct.
Which takes care of "religion".
Now what about "spirituality"?
Spirituality is pretty much an open ended term that means just about any thing to any one.
It is also an allegorical poetic term.
Since there is no accounting for belief... anyones concept of Spirituality is as good as anyones else's.
Bottom line... a good society prohibits violence against its citizens.
The rest is opinion.. belief.. or conjecture.
When contracts of belief are made in a so called ''civil'' society that society is controlled by others opinions.. (democracy).
Democracy is a slave contract to ideas of morality.. ethics.. or even aesthetics.
A good society leaves people alone... and is based only on fact and never opinions.
Our society now is controlled by special interest groups.
These groups are clever at getting recruits even when what they promote is not in the best interests of the soldiers that they recruit.
In a good society a special interest group would have no power whether there is one person or a million in that group.
We are now ruled by the Price System special interest groups who actually care nothing about any thing except.... making money.
We live in a barbaric antique system which is on the verge of collapse.
Buckle up and get ready for chaos and then change.
The only way out of the current problems is a scientific functional society. Barring that we are going to destroy ourselves.
THEY HATE THE GOD IN YOU
Wurmbrand, a pastor who was imprisoned in Romania, says Communism is in essence Satanism empowered. Christians weren't just brutally persecuted and murdered, they were made to blaspheme. Communism's goal, the goal of the New World Order, is to mock God and to praise Lucifer. A Communist newspaper confessed,"We fight against God: To snatch believers from him."
In "German Ideology" Marx referred to God in Hegelian terms as the Absolute Spirit. Marx opined, "we are concerned with a highly interesting question: the decomposition of the Absolute Spirit."
According to Wurmbrand, the Russian Revolution was a time when "love, goodwill, and healthy feeling were considered mean and retrograde. A girl hid her innocence, and husbands their faithfulness. Destruction was praised as good taste, neurasthenia as the sign of a fine mind. This was the theme of new writers who burst on the scene out of obscurity. Men invented vices and perversion, and were fastidious in their avoidance of being thought moral." (85)
The Luciferians portray their rebellion against God and nature as progress and freedom. This permissiveness refers only to tearing down the Divine order. In the initiation into the Seventh degree of Satanism, the adept swears, "Nothing is true and everything is permitted." In the Communist Manifesto, Marx said all religion and morals will be abolished and everything permitted.
The religion of modern western society, secular humanism, is a front for Illuminism (Lucifer worship). The purpose of Illuminism is to divorce humanity from the Divine Purpose and enshrine Lucifer (i.e. the Illuminati) in God`s place. Under the guise of a humanist utopia, they are constructing an Orwellian hell -- the New World Order, a.k.a. globalism.
The goal of globalism is the same as Communism. The world's elite masks their Luciferianism in new age paganism and Gaia worship. The Lucifer Trust runs the only chapel at the United Nations and the only statue in the UN building is the pagan god Zeus.
Christ represented the rule of God. The Pharisees worshipped Lucifer. The question facing mankind hasn't changed. Are we going to serve God or Lucifer?
The Satanists have conditioned us to short circuit at the mention of religion. They have made God seem mysterious, unknowable or non-existent.
Christ said, "God is a Spirit, obey Him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:23,24). God is Absolute Love, Truth, Justice, Goodness and Beauty. If you believe these things are real, whether you accomplish them or not, you believe in God.
Love is the principle of human evolution. God wants to be manifested by His creation. This requires that we obey Him. We were made in God's image. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect," (Matthew 5:48). The more we embody spiritual ideals, the more God-like and Real we become. The opposite is also true.
We sacrifice ourselves for what we love. If we love God, we sacrifice ourselves to Him. People ask how to fight the New World Order. Nothing would disturb the Illuminati more than a revival of belief in God. Millions willing to fight and die for God would scare the hell out of them. That's why they are uprooting Islam.
Elliot Pierce
"We sacrifice ourselves for what we love. If we love God, we sacrifice ourselves to Him. People ask how to fight the New World Order. Nothing would disturb the Illuminati more than a revival of belief in God. Millions willing to fight and die for God would scare the hell out of them. That's why they are uprooting Islam.
Elliot Pierce"
The New World Order Illuminati folks are the ones that brought you your dumbed down version of religion in the first place to control you and people like you... the sheeple.
Well all I can say is that you are a perfect example of a brainwashed soldier of the Price System.
The illuminati are also brainwashed and victims.
Most of them are clueless. They do not understand the dynamic.
Lots of people such as yourself will no doubt fight.
Most of you are cowards though and only brainwashed automatons.
Pretty soon things get very interesting because all the hate mongering religious people of various belief systems are going to fight it out.
I suggest that people that actually care about the fate of humanity keep their heads down... and do not join any of those retarded groups.
It is easy to scape goat some particular group.. but looking at the big picture and changing things into a secular humanitarian society that works for the good of all without a system that rewards bad behavior as our Price System does... means actually thinking and doing something about these issues.
Skip droppin some science! Another question for you. It seems that democracy has followed the ability to make money. Nobilty became open to folks that mastered trade and managed finances. Lifespans increased even for the poorest. A poor kid in Dubai has a brighter future than one born 1000 years ago. How do you explain that?
Democracy and Capitalism were linked together by propaganda into the minds of the the American public by public relations firms. You notice that China has Capitalism now and they are supposedly Communist.
A Price System is a price system whether it uses rubles or dollars. Socialism is also a Price System in todays world.
The thing that changed the world most was the conversion of mechanical energy that happened in the early 20th. century.
Productivity is measured in the conversion of extraneous mechanical energy and no longer human power.
That destroys the whole Adam Smith economic theory of labor... the same theory that was the basis of the American system... and the later Communist Soviet system.
Adam Smith economic theory was developed in the 18th. century and that was before the invention of the Technology we have today.
Starting with the steam engine and then other devices.. the worlds way of doing things changed completely ... but we maintain the old social system based on not just Adam Smith economics .. but also the original social control mechanism from Babylon ... the origin point of our political Price System.
So... the advancement of Technology is the thing that has given us abundance and could give us more abundance if it is finally unchained from the Price System.
The slaves in America were freed eventually not because of morality or ethics issues in particular.
Slaves were freed because they were too expensive to maintain. Expensive to buy. They were bought and sold as part of ''civil'' society... and civil society or contract society is the enemy of a good society and the basis of the Babylonian construct that we currently live in.
A human can put out approx. 1/20th of a horsepower.
An ordinary machine such as a refrigerator can put out 1/4 of a horsepower.
Thus ... machines are the new slaves.
Humans are little needed... but our society will not shift out of the people control mechanism from the past.
So what happened to the so called freed slaves post civil war ?
They were turned into wage slaves because that way they could be mainstreamed with the other wage slaves.
Again that time of 1913 marked the actual time when we could have left this type of culture behind.
In the 1930's we could have easily converted into a good society with good education.. free healthcare.. free everything.. no more banking or insurance industry etc.
As far as a poor kid in Dubai and the future...? Dubai is a disaster waiting to happen. It was a pristine environment just a few years ago.
They now suffer from extreme pollution.. and they also do not have resources available for their population such as water.
The number of people there will not be able to be supported by their resource base in the future.
As far as lifespans that is due mostly to modern medical care... clean water.. and sanitation.
In a good system everyone has equal access to health care.
We do not have a good system.
Here is a reference point for energy conversion and wage slave society.
It brings out some underlying factors of why actual human slavery was stopped.. and what the future of wage slavery brings. That future is now upon us.
The Technate & Energy-TNAT TheNorthAmericanTechnate
Technology either destroys the Price System and creates a good society.. or the Price System will destroy technology... and that will be our destruction if that happens.
Go ahead, Skip. You got game. I'll grant you sixth in the rotation.:) Seriously, I'm feeling what your saying and I'll take this just a bit further, if you'll humor me. What do you do if the problem becomes the technology itself? That is, what if you take the price system out of the equation and the technology becomes the hazard? After all people make the stuff and it has imperfections built into it.
Sub.. it is true that humans do not make sense.
Science when applied to almost any thing can use data within a context that does not even seem to make a lot of sense... and build a construct within that context that makes as much sense as can be made of it.
The Technate design has been called science applied to society.
Just switching to an energy accounting system gets rid of a lot of the problems our society faces now.
Money is then no longer used.
Economics as regards money or debt tokens is a good example of a social control - carrot and stick method - that is very much an antique... something that worked in the Adam Smith day (18th.Cent.) but will NOT work in a high energy civilization.
Money is an abstract concept. If you put a 5 on a paper and then add a zero you get 50.. and supposedly that 50 is ''worth'' more than the five.
Several years ago several people shared the Nobel prize for developing a theory that for the most part was this:
How do you completely control a population using money... let them live within a construct... much like a hog farm.. and still use them as consumers that keep the Price System operating and growing.
That sounds odd but.. it was a study in just how much abuse a human can stand... how much they need in material goods to feel as though they are prospering within reason in their ''caste'' or class and so forth...
So... The actual problem is the controls put on us by the political Price System.
The American Political Price System TNAT info.
We are controlled by people working against our best interests.
If the technologists were free to develop sensible viable governance without the use of special interest groups... most likely if... a science based society.. free from control of opinion and belief.. were actually allowed to govern us.. we as citizens would probably find ourselves in a really free society.
This type of society is strictly equal by default. Not because of morality.. or ethics.
Why ?
Because for functional governance a class or caste system could not exist... and NO contracts of slavery would be allowed (the basis of so called civil society) Democracy is a type of civil contract of belief slavery based on the opinions of others.
In other words a viable governance based on abundance but also resource protection that is by default secular and humanitarian is possible now.
It has been possible for many decades.
However.. the window of opportunity will close for us if we destroy our resource base. That is something that the Price System has no qualms about.
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