INTELLECTUALLY COURAGEOUS NONCONFORMIST THOUGHT OF THE WEEK
accra said...
For some people the whole unatural act of homesexuality is abhorent. And unatural is the key word.- I totally concur with the Jamaican position. I certainly don't hate homosexuals, I have no reason to,.... however I will not be forced (against my innermost sense) to accept their sexual preference as natural, even if it means being called homophobic or whatever.
I am a Christian and I don't get this interpretation of the Bible. Jesus' death was the start of new covenant, we must certainly adhere to the laws of the Bible but all that other fire and brimstone stuff goes by the wayside. Also Jesus wasn't some bigoted judge, going around and casting aspersions on people. - A lot of people are speaking out of both sides of their mouth saying both "homosexuality is unnatural" and "homosexuality is unchristian", these are two different and sometimes even divergent arguments.
- I don't get it:
- 1) Scientists HAVE shown that there are regular occurences of same-sex coupling in nature. On numerous occasions. So it does occur in nature and is thus natural. It might not be the predominant norm, but so what.
- 2) Also why is everything which is natural automatically good, there are a lot of natural behaviours that we have been socially trained not to do, things we must do ever day to adhere to the standards of behaviour. There are even whole books giving standards.
- 3) The Bible is one such book, a book which gives guidance in these matters of how to deal with natural urges or inclinations.
- 4) However there are manyother books and even with the Bible there are countless ways to read it.
- I think people need to focus on being Christians themselves and being a testament to the power of the Lord. Stop focusing on this fake performance of being a Christian and start figuring out how faith and belief can truly manifest itself through their words and deeds. The world always needs more GOOD WORKS.
39 comments:
DV
INTELLECTUALLY COURAGEOUS
By who's standards is this intellectual... Homo, Hetero and Bisexual behavior has be documented since the beginning of mankind. So to state that Homo behavior is not a part of nature is not even logical let alone intellectual! It's actually no different then when the Klan states that GOD doesn't want race mixing! Yeah it's in that class of intellect... It kills me when humans want to think for GOD.
"Bisexual behavior has be documented since the beginning of mankind."
So has incest. Doesn't make it natural.
Of course aberrant behavior will always exist.
Accra's statement is a resistance to the political pressure to force all people all over the world, despite their religious convictions and culture, to not only "accept" the aberrant behavior of homosexual sex but to grant special group status to homosexuals as a "Victim Group".
Pedophilia has been documented since the beginning of time. Should we also force Jamaicans to "accept" them too Casper?
Why not?
Who gave Americans the right to impose our immorality on others?
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It may benefit your homocentric position to take a word out of my statement and twist it in a rather senseless manner.
I don't think that anyone disputes the fact that homosexuality, murder, beastiality etc. etc. exist or have existed from time immemorial.
The question I would ask you is, since you mention God quite loudly in your statement, Which God endorses homosexuality, murder or beastiality? "acts that exist in nature"?
And there we go again comparing blacks to homosexuals.............
I get the feeling I may have hit too close to home with this one!
Unatural= abnormal= Aberrant= deviant, what ever you prefer.
Right on Skip!
DV
So has incest. Doesn't make it natural
You are correct and there exist a genetic recourse for that behavior my friend.
DV
Pedophilia has been documented since the beginning of time. Should we also force Jamaicans to "accept" them too
#1 Define pedophilia DV. How could it have existed since the beginning of mankind. It could not have because the life expectancy of man was not long enough to consider the modern definition.
#2 The reason why those who have that lifestyle need protection is because of violent bigots like you who wish to bash their heads in because you don't agree with their born genetic disposition to prefer the same sex.
Now I am not gay... But I have child hood friends that are. They don't need bigots like you defining THEIR way of life as adnormal enough to promote someone attacking them. You should be more concerned with the Bloods and the Crips than the gays if you were logical. You should be more concerned about your kids watching ganster rap videos if you are so concerned about the images they see each day.
accra
"The question I would ask you is, since you mention God quite loudly in your statement, Which God endorses homosexuality, murder or beastiality? "acts that exist in nature"?"
My GOD is all mighty. If GOD did not want these behaviors to exsit... They wouldn't. Or do you believe GOD is making mistakes?
IMO, homosexuality is some sort of mental/emotional affliction. In men, I think it comes from a failure to bond with the father. Or it could develop in utero.
Who really knows.
All I know is that I don't want my son to grow up thinking that there is no differencet between being homosexual and heterosexual. I want him to have compassion for gays and to stick up for them and be kind, but to also keep a respectful distance from their sexuality.
That Gay Lobby in America is getting out of control. Nowadays, you're a biggot if you comment on the fact that a man is wearing a dress or, even more, has become a woman!
Well well.
The reason they put all that juicy shit about Lot screwing his daughters in the bible, without putting a terribly negative aspect to it, except, the Jews always had some reason why some tribe they did not like came into existence, is that it has kept people fascinated for all this time.
Lets see, this guys daughter thought the world had ended, and it was their duty to screw their father ? Ha ha. Gripping entertainment.
So one daughter gets him drunk and does it.
And then the next daughter gets him drunk and does it ?
And they both get knocked up.
I remember asking a Rabbi once what he thought of that 'story' and he wrinkled up his forehead, and said,
One daughter maybe, two daughters, its a stretch.
The bible is filled with murder, mayhem and horror. Mass genocide and hatred.
And Yes D.V. is pimping for it.
Why ?
Hard to say.
It is entertaining, just like the goofy hip hop gansta shit he likes.
Kudos to Casper and Accra.
Oh, and before Lot screwed and knocked up his daughters, he offered them to the crowd who wanted to screw his angel friends in the hind end.
Nice guy for sure.
Thats the bible.
Jesus was a Jew. Jews believe those silly stories.
Jesus never intended to start a new religion. Just reform the existing one.
Jesus was young and stupid.
Most of the bullshit that came next was 'made up' by Paul, who was the P.T. Barnum of his day.
BTW - It is not that hard to walk on the water, if you know where the stones are.
@ Casper, God wants behavior such as incest, pedophilia, murder etc. to exist? I think not.
God gives us free will.
I was born and bred in a country that has all sorts of animals walking around on the streets and everywhere. Goats, sheep, dogs, chickens, and sometimes even cows.
We all know that animals don't really have inhibitions, that notwithstanding, I am yet to see two billy goats bonking! And that goes for cockerels, rams and bulls too.
All , I am saying really is that be gay if you want to be, but please don't force me to accept that lifestyle as normal.
accra
"@ Casper, God wants behavior such as incest, pedophilia, murder etc. to exist? I think not."
GOD doesn't want planets running into one another. How powerful is that. GOD created orbits. Thus I think if GOD didn't want human's to do something without suffering from nature... GOD wouldn't have a problem making it happen. That's my GOD. And GOD created all mankind not you.
Secondly, growing up I have seen first hand male dogs humping male dogs. It is not new news that animals display same sex procreation acts on one another. Just because you have never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And when was the last time someone walked up to you and stated that they wanted you to be gay or to accept the lifestyle as your own. Never! is the answer. You guys are more concerned about a personal lifestyle that doesn't promote violence. But sleep walk on gangster rap. That promotes gangbanging, drug slinging, ho slapping, wallet snatching, no snitching themes... But that's art!?
You are around gay and bi-sexual people everyday... Starbucks, Exxon, PigglyWiggly, Kmart, Citibank. And you don't know which ones are and are not. Why because it is not a color, or a shape or language. It's a person's personal relationship preference. Now explain why are you so afraid!!!!
Good and accurate points Casper.
I am afraid that logic, or good sense will not work on people that 'believe' that the perfectly natural, is not natural, but against nature somehow.
If nature had said no, then humans could not do it.
Moralistic blathering does not change that fact.
Free will allows one to do as they please, despite the fact that others want to enforce their opinions, in the form of codified religion, or abstract spirituality concepts.
Not afraid Caspar. just perplexed at why you are so angrily forcing this down my throat! You say God, and again I ask which God? Is it the Christian God?? Please read your Bible.
Just because you claim to have seen male dogs bonking each other doesn't mean that it is normal behavior. And, I think that with the numbers of animals roaming our streets in Africa, I am more likely to have seen this behavior, if it is as common as you say it is. It is infact very rare!
I think the fundamental difference between us is that I believe that in homosexuality is not just nature but also nurture.
And therefore when someone wants to read a story of two homo kings to my 7yr old child,implying that homosexuality is just a perfectly natural alternative lifestyle, I have a major problem with that!
However if you can present conclusive evidence that there is some genetic reason for this behavior, then I will reconsider/change my opinion on the matter.
Skip... you are right, free will does allow men to sleep with men against nature!
I think you are a little confused here... cos I believe it is the Gay Lobby that is trying to force its opinions and lifestyle on me
A girl I know has a cat. It is a male cat.
This cat likes to lie with a stuffed rabbit.
Every once in a while it mounts the rabbit.
The cat gets very excited, and humps the stuffed rabbit for a while.
Then it rolls over and takes a nap.
It usually purrs and purrs before it falls asleep.
Now I don`t think that Mr. god has a problem with that.
Do you ?
How relevant to this discussion is the above statement Skip?
BTW, Skip, I just went on to your Technocracy website.... have to read and digest to determine.
accra
"doesn't mean that it is normal behavior"
Who decides what is normal accra... you, Bush, Cheney, AIPAC? So if a David Duke(KKK) thinks you should be treated as a third class human because you where raised with animals running around you and thus you are a jungle bunnie and that's not normal is he right because we white Americans don't live like that?
accra
"I believe that in homosexuality is not just nature but also nurture."
Nurture.
I have never seen a father promote his son to seek out other males. I have never seen or heard of mothers teaching their sons to find other males attractive.
Nature
I have though seen sons of very masculine ... football playing... gun shooting fathers try to act like their fathers only to find out later in life that they were different on the inside versus what was on their exterior.
It amazes me that people think that everyone is born the same. When is the last time you saw someone who looked and acted exactly like you. That is the power of GOD!. GOD did not teach you to be judgemental at birth... You read a book intrepreted and created by men that taught you to treat other humans differently.
BTW accra... Have you ever seen a underwater volcano eruption? No is the answer I suppose... but they exist. Along with many other marvels of this planet. Don't let your nurturing close your mind and way of thinking. Because that's exactly how Americans let Bush, AIPAC and Blackwater fool the American sheep into Iraq.
Homosexuality is no longer regarded as a mental illness by the scientific community. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a disorder from the Sexual Deviancy section of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the DSM-II.[62] The World Health Organization's ICD-9 (1977) listed homosexuality as a mental illness, and in 1990, a resolution was adopted to remove it in the ICD-10 (1993).[63
The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated, "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."[73] The American Psychological Association has stated that "there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people". However, it states that for most people, sexual orientation is determined at an early age.[74]
There is evidence from numerous studies that gay men tend to have more older brothers than do straight men.[106] One reported that each older brother increases the odds of being gay by 33%. [107]
To explain this finding, it has been proposed that male fetuses provoke a maternal immune reaction that becomes stronger with each successive male fetus.[106] Male fetuses produce H-Y antigens which are "almost certainly" involved in the sexual differentiation of vertebrates.[106] It is this antigen which maternal H-Y antibodies are proposed to both react to and 'remember.' Successive male fetuses are then attacked by H-Y antibodies which somehow decrease the ability of H-Y antigens to perform their usual function in brain masculinization. This is now known as the fraternal birth order effect. There is a link to homosexuality only if the older brothers were biologically related and even when they were not raised together.[citation needed] Interestingly, this relation seems to hold only for right-handed males.[108] There has been no observed equivalent for women
Homosexual sexual behavior occurs in the animal kingdom, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys, and the great apes. Homosexual behavior has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented.[119] For example, male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In a well-publicized story from 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring.[120]
The genetic basis of animal homosexuality has been studied in the fly Drosophila melanogaster.[121] Here, multiple genes have been identified that can cause homosexual courtship and mating.[78] These genes are thought to control behavior through pheromones as well as altering the structure of the animal's brains.[122][123] These studies have also investigated the influence of environment on the likelihood of flies displaying homosexual behavior.[124][125]
Georgetown University professor Janet Mann has specifically theorized that homosexual behavior, at least in dolphins, is an evolutionary advantage that minimizes intraspecies aggression, especially among males.[126] Studies indicating prenatal homosexuality in certain animal species have had social and political implications surrounding the gay rights debate.[127]
Now let me think. When was the last time any saw a dog come up to someone and hump on their leg ?
No complaint from god there.
Oh, and I hate to bring this up, but did you know that there is a whole subculture of women, that have pet dogs, that...
Whoa, you know what I am going to say.
If that was not natural also, would it be impossible to do ?
How about a women who just loves getting gang banged by 4 or 5 guys?
Is the 'lord' against such things ?
I suppose that depends on whose lord right.
The Devil lord of Babylon or the friendly god that could not care less what you do.
Hey Accra, have fun on that site. Investigate Technocracy.
Casper, I really couldn't and wouldn't care less what "you white Americans" or David Duke thinks of me or anyone else for that matter. Cos I know better.
BTW were any of these studies funded by the Gay Lobby? Just asking.
Don't get so uptight about my opinion on the matter, it's really not that important to me and there's enough space on the planet for all of us.
accra
"BTW were any of these studies funded by the Gay Lobby? Just asking."
Wow they really scare you I see.
Don't know ...Don't care... Do you really know your priest?? Just asking.
Don't go to church.
Right.
Why would any one go to church except to check out the chicks or listen music ?
@ camille remarkable
1. Without being too graphic, I don't think that the arsehole was intended to be used as an alternative sex organ between persons of the same sex. That some may have an inclination to stick their penis into any available orifice does not make it natural.
I think there is enough medical evidence to suggest this.
And, though same sex behavior does exist amongst animals, it is quite rare.
2. I aso don't think that one should interprate the Bible according to one's whims, caprices and interests. It clearly says in the Bible in at least 3 or 4 places ( Leviticus 16 chp. 22, Leviticus 20, chp. 13, Romans 20, Corinthians 6, chp. 9) that homosexuality amongst others is immoral behavior, and against what God wants..... Sodom and Gomorah is a good example. No where in the Bible is homosexuality endorsed.
3. Why does one have to be a bigot because one has an opinion on homosexuality. I don't accept the behavior as natural, but I do not reject the person behind the behavior.
3. The only reason why we are discussing this issue is because we are all on DV's site, and this was posted as a topic for discussion.
3. I fail to see how this discussion will prevent me from being a good Christan through GOOD WORKS!
3. I respect the right of homosexuals to do whatever it is they want to do with each other. I in turn have the right to have whatever opinion I want to have without being labeled a fake Christian!
Myth: Research shows that there is a "gay gene." Homosexuality is genetic.
Reality: Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition. Contrary to media hype, there is no conclusive or compelling empirical evidence showing any absolute biological, genetic, or hormonal causation for homosexuality. Homosexual activist and molecular biologist Dean Hamer’s study claiming the existence of a homosexual gene has been scientifically discredited. Studies that claim to prove homosexuality is genetic have been purposefully designed from a homosexual advocacy perspective and seek to convince society that homosexuality is innate, psychologically normal, and thus socially desirable.
There may be a possibility of the existence of a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, which is far different from causation. But even this possibility is far from scientifically proven. Predisposition toward something does not mean that it is inevitable, or that such a predisposition cannot or should not be resisted and overcome. Some people may have a predisposition to alcoholism, yet we do not affirm their disposition, but rather treat their condition and help them change. Current evidence suggests that environmental, familial, and personal influences contribute significantly to the development of homosexual tendencies. Seventy years of therapeutic counseling and case studies show a remarkable consistency concerning the origins of the homosexual impulse as an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed in childhood. (NARTH.com)
Although individuals who experience homosexual attractions and thoughts may not have chosen these tendencies, they do have a choice as to whether or not they will act on the feelings. It is the acting on these feelings that constitutes homosexuality. Many people have left the homosexual community and live successful heterosexual lives, which often includes marriage and raising children. See Fast Facts #73-83
Myth: Homosexual behavior is innate. Homosexuality is "what a person is."
Reality: What a person does (behavior) should never be equated with what a person is. No human being can or should be reduced to his or her sexual impulses. Impulses cannot compel behavior or identities without a person’s consent. If people "are" their actions, then what does that say about the thief, the anorexic, the prostitute, or the marathon runner? Ninety-eight percent of the population does not define their very being and purpose in life by their sexual behavior.
Homosexuality is a sexual behavior. It cannot be compared to race or ethnicity. People who engage in same-sex behavior are accorded the same rights as every other citizen. Special rights should not be given to individuals because of their sexual behavior. Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition - like height or skin color Homosexuals are one of the most powerful special interest groups in the U.S. Their success in passing special "gay" rights legislation is unprecedented. Their opponents are silenced by cries of "homophobia," and their cause has been taken up as a major plank in the Democratic Party’s platform.
Their political power goes way beyond what would be expected of a minority that makes up about 2 percent of the population.
It is not discriminatory to deny homosexuals the right to marry. Homosexuals are afforded exactly the same right as heterosexuals; they can marry one person of the opposite sex. Homosexuals enjoy full citizenship rights; they can vote, own or transfer property, name life insurance beneficiaries, and grant medical power of attorney, among other rights. Marriage has been understood and defined for centuries and throughout civilization as the union between a man and a woman, instituted for the continuance of life and to best protect and provide for children. Government and society grant benefits and protection to a man and a woman in marriage because of their biological potential to bear and effectively raise the next generation. Even childless couples or infertile couples always have the potential to procreate. Homosexual couplings always do not. If societies deviate from the standard of marriage as a child-based institution, they open the door to any kind of marriage. When homosexuals are not allowed to marry each other, they suffer no more discrimination than do bigamists, polygamists, or people who wish to marry children.
I've never understood this allegedly Christian concept of the "new covenant".
Does that mean God didn't really mean what he said in the Old Testament? Does that mean Christians should feel free to ignore the guidance of the Old Testament (like the 10 commandments)?
Can someone please explain it in a way that makes sense?
It will never make sense... it's just selective adherence to Gods word.
accra
"I don't think that the arsehole was intended to be used as an alternative sex organ between persons of the same sex."
Oh but a woman's mouth was intended for a man's pleasure. Once again... Who is GOD? You?
Casper,
Whether or not the butt was intended for sex, do you not agree that the colon's function is to expel feces?
Just because I can put a pencil in my nose doesn't mean I should.
II
"Just because I can put a pencil in my nose doesn't mean I should."
But you can ... And if that turns YOU on why should I care. People should worry about themselves and stop projecting their beliefs on others.... When in the privacy of their bedrooms. To each his/her own. As I recall many women like it up the backdoor from their husbands. So why aren't you all crying about that???
The people who are projecting their beliefs on others are the homosexuals. They want everyone to endorse them as "normal" and get mad when people refuse.
It isn't about interfering in what people are doing in their bedrooms. No one would care if they were confining their behavior to their bedrooms. But they are not. They're putting it on T-shirts and crying when people don't want to wear it.
II
"The people who are projecting their beliefs on others are the homosexuals. They want everyone to endorse them as "normal" and get mad when people refuse"
Maybe because people like you are projecting that their lifstyle is satanic!... I remember when KKK were marching that blacks were monkeys. And there arguments were just like yours. Why are those blacks trying to convince me that they are equal to us. Hyprocrisy LIVES!
Lesbian women don't phuck each other up the ass...But your husband may tonight with you. But you don't have a problem with that. He can't get you pregnant in your mouth or your ass.. So what gives?
Sheep! Just follow the leader. No critical thinking. Why are you so freaking afraid? You are 1,000,000 times more likely to be robbed at gun point by a wannabee gangster rapper than have a lesbian women even consider taking you sexually!
HYPOCRISY!
Some of you guys/gals are Bigots!
A sodomy law is a law that defines certain sexual acts as sex crimes. The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but is typically understood by courts to include any sexual act which does not lead to procreation.
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false.
well casper, you have as yet proven nothing false!
if i am a bigot because of my views, then so be it. I am proudly a bigot when it comes to homosexuality! Am i also a bigot because i am intolerant of pedophilia? ( it's a lifestyle for some) and how about polygamy ?
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