Look, I agree with Denise. We all know that there are some dirty cops out there. And rather than give one of them a reason to jaw-jack her, she should have just put her hands behind her back. It was a curfew violation. They probably would have let her off with a warning, or at worse a citation.- Now I'm not saying punching a 100lbs child and then pepper spraying her in the face is justifiable. (frankly, I'm STILL trying to see the part when she alledgedly bit him) But don't ever give them a reason.
- And the next question is, why wasn't she at home? I WISH I would had been out running the streets at 1 am when I was 15. I probably would have been freaking out like her too because I would have known that as SOON as they called my momma I would be in for one helluva a** whoopin'. ~ Tia
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That officer needs his ass whooped.
"the officer acted legally and within the bounds of their policies."
Lawyers, is it legal for him to punch her in the head after she bit him?
PD, I didnt see him punch her. I'll check it out again.
In general, and I hate to say this, this situation could have been a lot worse. The officer loudly repeated "put your hands behind your back" for a reason. It painted a picture of resistance by the young girl so as to ultimately serve as a justification for any forceful action that he took. It will be argued the girl didnt comply so he had to take further action.
What disturbed me, is that he didnt just go on and cuff her. She looked to weigh about 90 lbs. If your going to handcuff her go on and do it so you dont have to slam her face against the car any more.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if she'd followed his command from the get-go, right?
Whoa.
Denise, aint scared is she?
Look, I agree with Denise. We all know that there are some dirty cops out there. And rather than give one of them a reason to jaw-jack her, she should have just put her hands behind her back. It was a curfew violation. They probably would have let her off with a warning, or at worse a citation.
Now I'm not saying punching a 100lbs child and then pepper spraying her in the face is justifiable. (frankly, I'm STILL trying to see the part when she alledgedly bit him) But don't ever give them a reason.
And the next question is, why wasn't she at home? I WISH I would had been out running the streets at 1 am when I was 15. I probably would have been freaking out like her too because I would have known that as SOON as they called my momma I would be in for one helluva a** whoopin'.
-Tia
Can someone explain to me by what right does the Nanny State set a curfew? If we are ok with the Nanny State telling kids what time to be home, then we should have no problem with them mandating HPV vaccines and reading homosexual nursery rhymes to second graders.
I'm not condoning how this incident unfolded and I'm not making any assumptions about this police officer.
For example, for all I know, he could have a black wife and biracial children at home.
What's undeniable to me is that he could have man-handled this young woman a lot more forcefully than he did.
It's a jacked up incident all around and it all started because this young girl failed to heed an officer's command.
II
"Can someone explain to me by what right does the Nanny State set a curfew?"
So are you saying 15 year olds and younger should be roaming the streets after 1 am in the morning??? She is lucky a pimp or deviant didn't get her first.
My opinion is there is no need to handcuff a 15 year old girl. Place her in the rear of the squad car and take her in to contact her parents. Now if she gets violent then arrest her.
Predictably, Casper asks a question that will do nothing but provide the set-up for his justification why the Nanny State is our parent and why we are all children of the State who should do as we are told.
My answer to this issue is the same as with all other issues. PARENTS.
Parents should be the ones who decide what kids do or don't do. If the kid doesn't have parents, that doesn't mean the Nanny State becomes the surrogate.
I don't know what type of area this or the type of folks who frequent there late at night.
More importantly, I don't know the officer's initial command. All we see is a call that escalated to the point of needing to cuff a teenager.
That officer has every right to protect himself so he can go home to his family at the end of a shift.
I would feel the same way if this involved a black officer arresting a white teen.
The comments rationalizing the cop's behavior are purely luciferian...,
Thank God I can't blithely get across the threshold of accepting that "arrest" was the appropriate response to this child in this situation.
It appears that once you've rationalized arresting the child, then just about any Luciferian method for achieving total submission and compliance is acceptable pursuant to that end. This attitude is a textbook symptom of dopamine ritual addiction and its characteristic threat/contempt display.
What I want to know is why do some black folks hate black kids so much?
What kind of shriveled abortion has taken the place of your souls?
Denise,
Age or race or whatever, we wouldn't be having this conversation if there weren't these silly laws that do nothing more than make criminals out of anyone and everyone.
Curfews??? Curfew is a polite, sanitized term for restriction on movement; for restriction on freedom. Why isn't there outrage over rules that bear greater resemblance to societies under martial law than rules that govern a so-called "democracy"?
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand
C Nu rocks the house as usual! :-)
II
If the kid doesn't have parents, that doesn't mean the Nanny State becomes the surrogate.
So kids should police themselves???
That makes sense... Not!
"What I want to know is why do some black folks hate black kids so much?" CNu
"Hate black kids", CNu?
Nah. That's uncharacteristically simplistic. Almost Mike Fisherish in it's pandering to white paternalism.
I hear a diversity of opinion, none of which I would describe as "hatred of black kids".
There are those that suggest the best way to ... love ... Shelwanda Riley, is to teach her and the millions of black teens who will see this video, that keeping their black asses in the house at 1 AM, is the safest way to avoid getting maced and your arm broken by a cop.
There are those that don't really give a shit about Shelwanda, but welcome this event as another opportunity to wallow in passive black victimhood: "oooooh loook whaa Massa dun ta dat gayl!!! Dat aint rite! I towld yawl 'bout Wyat SuhPwemAcy!"
There are those that see this event as a pimple on a face full of acne and would rather change the diet than smear on Clearasil. Garvey and Elijah Mohammad were right. As long as black people outsource the raising of our children to "Massa", we will see see videos like this regularly. (I lean towards this group)
There is a difference between "White Supremacy" and voluntary "Black Subservience".
There are dozens of other perspectives. Failure to place 100% of the blame at the feet of 'white people / system / police / global system of supremacy is not evidence of the "hating black kids".
II
"Curfews??? Curfew is a polite, sanitized term for restriction on movement; for restriction on freedom"
There was a time when families had control over their teens. Kids should be focused on learning. And you can't but productive in school while your out running the streets. There is nothing good that can happen to kids running the streets after 1am. Now if she followed orders the parents would have been called and the officers would have asked the parent(s) why their 15 y.o. daughter is running the street so late.
Casper, rationalize all you like. You and I disagree on the proper role of government. You like it when Massa makes rules. It makes you feel safe and snug. I don't. When Massa uses force to enforce the rules, you blame the victim for not being diligent enough in following the rules.
That's your bias. You love the Nanny State Global System of White Supremacy and I don't trust them as far as I can throw a sumo wrestler.
My idea of freedom is just that - freedom. Freedom to make decisions and make mistakes. It includes freedom to define rules for my kids, whether anyone likes them or not. Today the rule is this girl is a criminal for being out at 1am. Tomorrow she will be a criminal for something else. If you're so worried about this little one, adopt her. Mentor her.
But to outsource her parenting to Massa is going to destroy her, whether Massa puts her ass in jail or in school tomorrow.
II
"Casper, rationalize all you like. You and I disagree on the proper role of government. You like it when Massa makes rules."
The difference is I don't consider ever rule of law as a product of some evil empire. Shiiit if you don't like rule of law here then move your ass to South America and see how you like it. The reality is that civil living requires protocols that make sense for the greater society. Not just your beliefs that you want your kids to roam the streets at all hours. Additionally, the reality is that black on black crime is by far greater than police crimes against blacks PERIOD. Most violent crimes are conducted afterdark. So you figure out how to resolve the problems of urban living. Your living a pipe dream if you think certain parents are all of a sudden going to learn how to raise their kids... I have asked you before to pass the chronic around...
II
"My idea of freedom is just that - freedom. Freedom to make decisions and make mistakes. It includes freedom to define rules for my kids, whether anyone likes them or not. Today the rule is this girl is a criminal for being out at 1am."
No she is not a criminal for being out past 1am... Read the law. She is subjected to being picked up by police if on the streets past curfew. It's not a crime. Maybe your a little confused.
Resorting to the "love it or leave it" argument is a sign that there is no substance to your argument.
Your living a pipe dream if you think certain parents are all of a sudden going to learn how to raise their kids...
And you, my friend, are living a pipe dream if you think that the government is any more or less fit to raise those kids than their parents are. Government isn't a benevolent Wizard of Oz guy behind a cloak. I know you love the image of a Moses-looking White guy, a Charleton Heston type, who watches over us all and cares for us like a loving father. If you want to live in that fantasy world, be my guest. I don't want to burst your bubble. It obviously provides you a deeply-needed sense of comfort.
However, I wil continue to live in reality, in the real world where Big Government is a competition of special interests who would love nothing more than to desensitize us further to the criminalization of everything and everyone in order to fill up the for-profit prisons; to systematically accustom us to being infantile children who need the Nanny State to handle our problems.
Feel free to believe the Nanny State is run by Mother Theresa, if it makes you sleep better at night. I'm sure Massa will get you your bottle and blankie and keep your night light on too.
In the meantime, I'll parent my own children and set my own rules.
II
"And you, my friend, are living a pipe dream if you think that the government is any more or less fit to raise those kids than their parents are"
I never made that claim. However, I would say that it is safe to say that any parent who lets their young teen female to roam the streets past 1 am is not doing a great job.... And for an officer to pickup them up to have their parents come get them is in no way raising them it's protecting them and the community. It's enforcing youth curfew laws that Germany, Denmark, U.K. and many others countries have in place. So where ever you live if you have youth curfew laws ... then let your kids roam the streets past curfew and lets see what happens. you know what else... Since you are anti govt. rule stop paying your taxes and lets see what happens.
II, do you really believe that a solution lies in removing laws such as a curfew, (obstructions on freedom as you put it) so as to take the Nanny State out of power? Do you really think that there is NO place for such regulation? I "get" your point when applied in the absract, however I think your arguments lose something when applied on a smaller scale, which is what Capser seems to be focusing on. On a larger scale, you have a point, it should be ME that says when my kids need to be in the house. But on a smaller scale, the reality is that this in-home regulation does not always occur and that there are some well served by what you call Nannyism. That little girl did need to be at home, a la curfew, despite the apparent absence of an adult to tell her so. How do you respond to the substance of Casper's arguments?
Robyn,
There are multiple issues being conflated.
Wayward youth and the proper role of government. Two entirely separate issues.
Of course the girl "needs" to be at home. It is terrible that a little girl is running the streets at 1:00 a.m. But whose problem is that? If Casper doesn't like it, he can offer to adopt the girl and provide the parenting she so desperately needs. Or you can do so. You can sign up to be a mentor and explain to girls why nothing good happens at 1am.
Community needs to be involved, neighbors, the church, etc. The only reason anyone would suggest that the State step in is because they happily destroy and undermine other institutions; the only people who would suggest such a thing are those that prefer to pass the buck to others instead of figuring out healthy, creative solutions.
More importantly, once we allow the State to be involved with our lives, it is a slippery slope. Every - and I mean every single time - abridgment of freedom is always packaged in the comforting lingo of "it's for your own good". Always. Next, we're going to find out that the State thinks all kids should eat healthy and mandate the menu on each family's table. Of course, kids should eat healthy, but it isn't the government's business to step in and decide that for us.
And at some point, people are going to look back and wonder why we became a society of infants instead of grown people who take responsibility for our communities.
If we are having a crisis of parenting in America, the solution lies there. Locking up another Black kid or slamming one against the hood of a police care because she's out at 1am isn't going to fix the underlying problem.
Let's start addressing real issues instead of superficial, feel good nonsense.
II
"Of course the girl "needs" to be at home. It is terrible that a little girl is running the streets at 1:00 a.m. But whose problem is that? If Casper doesn't like it, he can offer to adopt the girl and provide the parenting she so desperately needs. Or you can do so. You can sign up to be a mentor and explain to girls why nothing good happens at 1am. "
This is what I mean. Your being unrealistic. If you don't have a reasonable alternative to the police picking up teens off the streets past curfews. Then you don't have an argument....
II
"Community needs to be involved, neighbors, the church, etc. The only reason anyone would suggest that the State step in is because they happily destroy and undermine other institutions; the only people who would suggest such a thing are those that prefer to pass the buck to others instead of figuring out healthy, creative solutions"
That's what we pay police to do. Patrol our streets in the early morning so we can get some sleep. Pass the chronic!
II
"State thinks all kids should eat healthy"
What's so wrong with that??? Here in NYC they can nolonger add transfat to food. And I agree 100%. Your living in some other world. Stop paying your taxes if you don't want to support democracy and logical thinking. You seem to forget that govt. workers are members of the community and society as well. They are not aliens.
II
"If we are having a crisis of parenting in America, the solution lies there. Locking up another Black kid or slamming one against the hood of a police care because she's out at 1am isn't going to fix the underlying problem."
Like I stated before black on black crime is by far a greater issue statistically speaking then cop crimes against blacks. Keep your outrage in perspective!
Einstein once said that insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
So please tell me, Casper - since I must be missing something with all the chronic I'm smoking - how has this police-parenting and rounding up kids worked out over the past 30 years of curfew laws?
Has crime been reduced? Have kids become more obedient? Have kids become little angels?
II asks one hell of a question:
"How has decades of "parenting by police" worked out for black America?"
But Casper seems to be saying: "OK. Anybody can stand back and criticize. If parents won't parent, the police have to do something. The problem is what it is. We can't allow teens, probably on drugs, to just roam the streets. Until there is a better solution, we should support the answer we have now."
I think there is a better solution. I think this video should be mandatory for all young black teens. It should be communicated to them, that those that conduct themselves in an honorable manner and abide by the rules of the black community will be protected and cared for, and any cop that gets out of line will be dealt with. Those that choose to ignore their elders, parents, teachers, neighbors or church by participating in anti-social, destructive behavior should expect this type of treatment.
We can't protect you, if you don't listen.
DV...you dead wrong for that pic of Tia and Toya...lol
For real P?
I think those girls are cute. Great spirit.
Tia, let me know if you are not feeling the flick.
I thought the girls were cute too.
"I thought the girls were cute too."
I'm all for the natural look, but them girls look like the female versions of Buckwheat. Comb it, braid it, twist it, do something ....don't just let it grow wild. You let your front yard grow wild?
I need to stop being superficial. As my girl would say, "beauty comes from within."
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